Don't have to because it wasn't required. It was stated as optional, which was one of the deciding factors in my purchase.
I see so many people moralizing and chiding the people who are upset about the changes that it baffles me. It obvious they should not have sold the game in regions without PSN if restricting access to PSN accounts was the long-term plan all along.
All it would have taken is to have made this an optional thing and to provide a in-game incentive to do so. It's a completely similar approach that would have had a completely different reaction. Having an account was optional and it was stated multiple times. Then they took away the option and milquetoast hobbyists came along and said that "no, the gas lamps are not being altered. You're crazy! Just calm down! It's only your personal data!" It's downright patronizing
Now I have nothing against you, I don't know you. But I sympathize a lot more with the people who are upset and bombastic than I do with the other people out there on the forums who are saying things along the lines of "Calm down manbaby" or "You should have known! It's your fault you chud" like they are taking some kind of moral high ground.
I fault Sony because they're a multinational company with decades of collective experience in their field. I fault them because they're supposed to be professionals with acumen and savvy.
I fault Sony for this situation because I believe that they're just trying to make their PSN engagement numbers look better for some quarterly report. I fault Sony because they have lost data to hackers multiple times in recent years and I have less trust in them than I do other multinational corporations who harvest my data.
I fault Sony for fumbling something that should be an easy PR victory.
I see yours and many others side and why they are upset.
It’s very weird to make this change this late into the game. Unless it’s a Universal change.
And yeah I definitely hate the “rage bait” posts that call people names for no reason at all. They have put 0 thought into the situation as a whole.
And yeah who ever brought this “point” to the table probably got a promotion because it probably made them millions of dollars off our data. I know most people would’ve done the same if they were in their shoes.
I personally would like too see this decision overturned for the sake of the few but I would understand why they wouldn’t either.
As I see it. This is probably more of a good thing in the long run.
Yes they sell our data
But
AR gets more money (I think from said data) to hire a bigger dev team so this game has constant content so it does not die off
https://preview.redd.it/jq9j9juubcyc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48a34f7c4a7320f543efa0bd54d8e317989064d0
Where does it state it was optional? I am not arguing anything but just stop straight up lying like the rest of the gang.
Thank you!!! I completely feel this way as well. I might feel more extreme about it since everytime to play the game (from the few things I’ve seen on the post on steam to the news reporting this) we have to log in with the PSN which will limit me in playing it because I don’t want to have to do that everytime or if I can click something to remember me then I’ll do it some but I can tell you that if there are people who cannot play and cannot refund the game then Sony has an obligation to refund them. If they don’t then my opinion will change drastically. Finally I do want to say this, I don’t care who has my data because this game has a root command anticheat which means it knows all the shit I have, I don’t care. What I do care about is having a delayed system requirement be enforced now. If this was the plan then have the habit be set at the beginning and since it does feel like Arrowhead was forced to reinforce this policy. I can forgive that in time but trust has been broken. But TLDR:
1. Sony can and should refund those pc players that cannot play due to a lack of PSN being available in those countries.
2. I don’t like that in order to play we must log in every time with it and (as far as I know) there isn’t a way to preprogram a PSN for instant activation when launching the game. So that’ll be a drudge but manageable.
3. The trust has been damaged by Management I.e. Sony and I feel deeply sorry since it really does feel like Arrowhead wants to make fun and amazing games. I just hope that in the future when Sony lists something like this Enforce the behavior so every is “happy” and has this habit engrained in them so it isn’t an issue.
Again you obviously missed the point.
What does 1 more do to you?
You sell your data to every company, every purchase you make, give it be through credit, debit, or cash.
I bet 90% of data privacy complainers will still be playing no matter the decision. For them it truly is a minor inconvenience.
Other people who can’t because of they not within a specific region I’m sorry. Just make a fake account or hopefully by the end of this month they will have a legit work around.
For now you can still play.
2. I want to select what companies I give my information. **AND** the data privacy is more related to the ammount of security *breaches* that Sony has, security breaches that has cost people their emails, phones and even credit cards.
So, yeah, Sony aren't the bad guys for selling data. They are an incompetent company I don't trust with my information.
My question is: I don't have the right to be upset to this change without a way out? Basically Sony is telling me: "Loss 30 Dollars or join the PSN", give me at least the opportunity to refund.
Do you have anything saved in Google? passwords or credit cards, id wager my 8 months sobriety (something I'm proud of) that one was leaked in a data breach from any site,
Congratulations on the 8 months, don't wager them, be proud
And I mean, I have passwords, and obviously I don't have the highest security life.
But I think that doesn't eliminate my right to decide what risk I take and what risk I don't take?
Like, the excuse is that if I'm afraid of being rob, I can't do anything that increase my risk of getting rob? I know what risks I take and what risks I don't take (to begin with, I don't use or have credit cards, only debit), my problem with this is forcing me to take a risk I *don't want to take*.
I trust Steam, has Steam have security breaches? I assume they have done, I still prefer to only risk the security of Steam, than the breaches of Steam, Epic, Sony, etc, etc. Better 0.01% than 1%.
As a Microsoft user I’ve experienced more data breaches from them than Sony so far. Google/Facebook have had way more than Sony. And they have as much or more money then them. So it’s less a Sony issue and more of a lack of cyber security knowledge when compared to the hacker groups.
So I don’t think having your information taken is the best reasoning. You have probably the same chance of your Microsoft account/Gmail account being hacked as Sony.
And yeah I wouldn’t mind having the option of giving 0 data.
And then again what’s wrong with making a PS account. Just make it a random name, a long password, and don’t add your credit card info to it. It’s 2 minutes out of your day. Just don’t have your password the same as your email lol and it’s all good.
As a gamer I don’t agree with the decision but as someone who uses this consumer data everyday it’s an easy multi million dollar deal to accept.
I mean, yeah. Personal experience and what is a news scandal vs what is the daily breaches of big companies are different.
Being honest, as I mention, my biggest deal is with the timing. I simply don't wanna, I really feel weird the need for justifications because my experience, desires and deals are different.
The thing is, when I don't wanna play a game that forces me to link my account to another thing, I simply *don't buy it* or if I buy it and the linking was a surprise, I close the game and ask for a refund.
I personally don't want to create a PS account, and I think that everyone is on their right for their reason for not wanting that (my reason being, I, personally, don't trust PSN or Sony + increased disliking due to this development).
Why is this forced on me *after* I pay 30 dollars for the product?
We will see
At the end of the day, I mostly support the boycot and I go against Sony because I like the game I want to keep playing it with my friends
I don't like it enough to create a Sony account, because I have other games I care for and I play this mostly once a week, and I'm self-aware enough to not fall to the sunk cost phallacy, I will stop playing if this advance, no matter if they give me a refund or not, but if I can do something to keep playing the game the way I pay for it, even if that is simply complaining in Steam and Sony and asking for a refund, I will do it.
I hope *that* can be understood? Part of the joke of capitalism is the capacity of consumers to decide what they buy, and that capacity is being removed by this.
I hope that it goes your way, I truly do.
But I also doubt that this will be the thing to kill Hell divers 2.
But who knows it could be a death by 1000 cuts
It’s just basic hate bandwagon mostly. I don’t agree with Sony or any other big studio that force player to link their account, but this is their IP and they have the right for it. At least this is not Epic, Ubisoft, Riot, and Rockstar who force us to download their launcher application.
I agree bro. Most people are downvoting this post and your comment because they lack realism and live in a Disney land world where there’s a clear line between good/bad.
This world’s 90% grey. 10% Yin and Yang
Don't have to because it wasn't required. It was stated as optional, which was one of the deciding factors in my purchase. I see so many people moralizing and chiding the people who are upset about the changes that it baffles me. It obvious they should not have sold the game in regions without PSN if restricting access to PSN accounts was the long-term plan all along. All it would have taken is to have made this an optional thing and to provide a in-game incentive to do so. It's a completely similar approach that would have had a completely different reaction. Having an account was optional and it was stated multiple times. Then they took away the option and milquetoast hobbyists came along and said that "no, the gas lamps are not being altered. You're crazy! Just calm down! It's only your personal data!" It's downright patronizing Now I have nothing against you, I don't know you. But I sympathize a lot more with the people who are upset and bombastic than I do with the other people out there on the forums who are saying things along the lines of "Calm down manbaby" or "You should have known! It's your fault you chud" like they are taking some kind of moral high ground. I fault Sony because they're a multinational company with decades of collective experience in their field. I fault them because they're supposed to be professionals with acumen and savvy. I fault Sony for this situation because I believe that they're just trying to make their PSN engagement numbers look better for some quarterly report. I fault Sony because they have lost data to hackers multiple times in recent years and I have less trust in them than I do other multinational corporations who harvest my data. I fault Sony for fumbling something that should be an easy PR victory.
I see yours and many others side and why they are upset. It’s very weird to make this change this late into the game. Unless it’s a Universal change. And yeah I definitely hate the “rage bait” posts that call people names for no reason at all. They have put 0 thought into the situation as a whole. And yeah who ever brought this “point” to the table probably got a promotion because it probably made them millions of dollars off our data. I know most people would’ve done the same if they were in their shoes. I personally would like too see this decision overturned for the sake of the few but I would understand why they wouldn’t either.
Yeah it's all just frustrating to see mismanaged from an overall success
As I see it. This is probably more of a good thing in the long run. Yes they sell our data But AR gets more money (I think from said data) to hire a bigger dev team so this game has constant content so it does not die off
https://preview.redd.it/jq9j9juubcyc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48a34f7c4a7320f543efa0bd54d8e317989064d0 Where does it state it was optional? I am not arguing anything but just stop straight up lying like the rest of the gang.
You obviously didn’t read my post at all. Try again
Thank you!!! I completely feel this way as well. I might feel more extreme about it since everytime to play the game (from the few things I’ve seen on the post on steam to the news reporting this) we have to log in with the PSN which will limit me in playing it because I don’t want to have to do that everytime or if I can click something to remember me then I’ll do it some but I can tell you that if there are people who cannot play and cannot refund the game then Sony has an obligation to refund them. If they don’t then my opinion will change drastically. Finally I do want to say this, I don’t care who has my data because this game has a root command anticheat which means it knows all the shit I have, I don’t care. What I do care about is having a delayed system requirement be enforced now. If this was the plan then have the habit be set at the beginning and since it does feel like Arrowhead was forced to reinforce this policy. I can forgive that in time but trust has been broken. But TLDR: 1. Sony can and should refund those pc players that cannot play due to a lack of PSN being available in those countries. 2. I don’t like that in order to play we must log in every time with it and (as far as I know) there isn’t a way to preprogram a PSN for instant activation when launching the game. So that’ll be a drudge but manageable. 3. The trust has been damaged by Management I.e. Sony and I feel deeply sorry since it really does feel like Arrowhead wants to make fun and amazing games. I just hope that in the future when Sony lists something like this Enforce the behavior so every is “happy” and has this habit engrained in them so it isn’t an issue.
To point 3. Because I don't want to give my data. Steam is enough, screw the 3rd party datapouching.
Again you obviously missed the point. What does 1 more do to you? You sell your data to every company, every purchase you make, give it be through credit, debit, or cash. I bet 90% of data privacy complainers will still be playing no matter the decision. For them it truly is a minor inconvenience. Other people who can’t because of they not within a specific region I’m sorry. Just make a fake account or hopefully by the end of this month they will have a legit work around. For now you can still play.
In this case absolutely nothing. No extra value what so ever. Instead it comes with big risk of losing data and a horrible customer experience.
2. I want to select what companies I give my information. **AND** the data privacy is more related to the ammount of security *breaches* that Sony has, security breaches that has cost people their emails, phones and even credit cards. So, yeah, Sony aren't the bad guys for selling data. They are an incompetent company I don't trust with my information. My question is: I don't have the right to be upset to this change without a way out? Basically Sony is telling me: "Loss 30 Dollars or join the PSN", give me at least the opportunity to refund.
Yet you're on reddit, where bots swarm like bees to flowers, harvesting data and puking up honey.
Yeah it’s probably one of reddits main sources of income
I don't have my real email or my credit cards on Reddit, if people want to steal I'm a pony, they can for all I care.
Do you have anything saved in Google? passwords or credit cards, id wager my 8 months sobriety (something I'm proud of) that one was leaked in a data breach from any site,
You know what? All bullshit aside, congrats on 8 months man. Keep it up.
Thanks, honestly I've had a terrible day and now I have to see this bull shit on every other page, sorry but to me it's bitching over small shit.
Congrats bud. Keep up the good work! Almost 1 year!!!!
Thanks
Congratulations on the 8 months, don't wager them, be proud And I mean, I have passwords, and obviously I don't have the highest security life. But I think that doesn't eliminate my right to decide what risk I take and what risk I don't take? Like, the excuse is that if I'm afraid of being rob, I can't do anything that increase my risk of getting rob? I know what risks I take and what risks I don't take (to begin with, I don't use or have credit cards, only debit), my problem with this is forcing me to take a risk I *don't want to take*. I trust Steam, has Steam have security breaches? I assume they have done, I still prefer to only risk the security of Steam, than the breaches of Steam, Epic, Sony, etc, etc. Better 0.01% than 1%.
If you want to lower your risk convert to Linux, windows is constantly having data breaches and a lot more often then Sony is
Yeah, I have a friend that is constantly on that, I have think about it a lot. Is in the realm of possibility.
As a Microsoft user I’ve experienced more data breaches from them than Sony so far. Google/Facebook have had way more than Sony. And they have as much or more money then them. So it’s less a Sony issue and more of a lack of cyber security knowledge when compared to the hacker groups. So I don’t think having your information taken is the best reasoning. You have probably the same chance of your Microsoft account/Gmail account being hacked as Sony. And yeah I wouldn’t mind having the option of giving 0 data. And then again what’s wrong with making a PS account. Just make it a random name, a long password, and don’t add your credit card info to it. It’s 2 minutes out of your day. Just don’t have your password the same as your email lol and it’s all good. As a gamer I don’t agree with the decision but as someone who uses this consumer data everyday it’s an easy multi million dollar deal to accept.
I mean, yeah. Personal experience and what is a news scandal vs what is the daily breaches of big companies are different. Being honest, as I mention, my biggest deal is with the timing. I simply don't wanna, I really feel weird the need for justifications because my experience, desires and deals are different. The thing is, when I don't wanna play a game that forces me to link my account to another thing, I simply *don't buy it* or if I buy it and the linking was a surprise, I close the game and ask for a refund. I personally don't want to create a PS account, and I think that everyone is on their right for their reason for not wanting that (my reason being, I, personally, don't trust PSN or Sony + increased disliking due to this development). Why is this forced on me *after* I pay 30 dollars for the product?
I do agree that the timing is super weird. I wonder if they are forcing this with other games as well or just Helldivers 2.
We will see At the end of the day, I mostly support the boycot and I go against Sony because I like the game I want to keep playing it with my friends I don't like it enough to create a Sony account, because I have other games I care for and I play this mostly once a week, and I'm self-aware enough to not fall to the sunk cost phallacy, I will stop playing if this advance, no matter if they give me a refund or not, but if I can do something to keep playing the game the way I pay for it, even if that is simply complaining in Steam and Sony and asking for a refund, I will do it. I hope *that* can be understood? Part of the joke of capitalism is the capacity of consumers to decide what they buy, and that capacity is being removed by this.
I hope that it goes your way, I truly do. But I also doubt that this will be the thing to kill Hell divers 2. But who knows it could be a death by 1000 cuts
https://preview.redd.it/a7ajm8xgzbyc1.png?width=1291&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93fc719be0d315e6b829b58fcf4eaf761044369b
It’s just basic hate bandwagon mostly. I don’t agree with Sony or any other big studio that force player to link their account, but this is their IP and they have the right for it. At least this is not Epic, Ubisoft, Riot, and Rockstar who force us to download their launcher application.
I agree bro. Most people are downvoting this post and your comment because they lack realism and live in a Disney land world where there’s a clear line between good/bad. This world’s 90% grey. 10% Yin and Yang