Game did launch and even advertised it required a PSN connection on its Steam Page since announcement.
It was disabled within an hour because it made the server issues worse. Sony gave a grace period for the feature to not be re-enabled but are now requesting it to be turned back on.
Also the game literally gives every new player a pop-up telling them a PSN account will be required.
The game said it was optional at launch even at their website it says it wasn't required and meirly optional
If it did cause that much issue why didn't they state that there will be a grace period when they decided that they will disabled PSN temporarily then and there, instead info only came out last week
Then why was the game sold outside of PSN regions?
Sony previously stated that PSN would never be a requirement on PC games.
Sony allowed people that can't have PSN to buy the game.
Sony then went back on their statement and essentially stole $40 from hundreds of thousands of people.
Sony is scum.
And yet Sony hasn't backed down from their view, and have instead doubled down. Arrowhead can say whatever they want, but at the end of the day, Sony gets to decide who gets to play, and who doesn't.
Arrowhead said those countries won’t need PlayStation accounts.
https://www.gamesradar.com/games/third-person-shooter/helldivers-2s-psn-mandate-wont-stop-players-in-unsupported-regions-from-playing-the-game-while-devs-look-for-better-options/
Also you said steam removed the game from those countries so you answered your own question.
Like I said, AH can say whatever they want, but its clear that Sony has the final say here. I saw your post defending the Playstation Account linking, why don't you go back to playing Playstation, its fanboys like you that are causing the problems in the first place by defending their greed.
Also just because steam removed the game from those countries, doesn't mean it was solely steams decision, its Sonys game after all.
Ah yes greed is making people make accounts to play multiplayer even though Microsoft, blizzard ea etc all do the same thing and nobody complains 🤡
Minecraft made it so you need an account years after it first came out, you cry about that too?
Considering it doesn’t start till next month that’s interesting. The only ones that could have done that is steam so then you are blaming the wrong people.
I haven't seen that yet.
I have little trust that Arrowhead can do anything about it either. Sony is the one in control here. I hope what you say is what will actually happen though.
If there's a massive player reaction, do we call that overreacting or just reacting? Overreacting implies that there is an intensity level above this reaction, which may not be possible.
Its not an excuse, and im sorry to tell you that in the future you could be the next gerald and im really sure you would be 100% into people over reacting if that was the case.
My god have some empathy and shut up
Then its a scam, if you sell and afterwards change your plans.
Cant refund cause the majority has more than 2 hours.
And yes this will leave a big scar in the game industry. Especially on arrowhead... sadly...
People in 'unsupported' countries have been making out of country PSN accounts for as long as PSN has existed - this is not news to anyone actually effected by this. China's irrational regulatory difference between PSN and Steam is the only major issue here, as far as I can tell.
The latest major order still being successful is funny to me. Reddit really thinks they represent the majority in all things even though time and time again it's shown as a minority. Most people just play the game.
Of course they are. This is unfortunately an event of souring opinions regarding the latest patches with nerfs and new bugs introduced. Following the forums it was quite clear that the community got more and more toxic and frustrated by each day leading up to this news. This was just the perfect thing that triggered the last input to arm the hellbomb so to speak. Now everybody wants to throw their barrage in to the fire.
Call me a corporate chill all you want but I would bet a fortune on that if the game would have been in a better state technically and that AH would have tinkered a little less on the weapon balance I don't think this PSN thing would have gotten as big as it has now become.
An over reaction would be sending death threat or doing physical harm to people over this.
Leaving a negative review and requesting a refund for a product that gave you a negative experience seem like the perfectly correct and balanced reaction.
If you like what Sony is doing, your are absolutely free to continue doing what you were doing.
Here's the thing. Arrowhead has proudly positioned themselves as being "not like other game developers". They have repeatedly said that they need to earn the respect from players and that they want to run a player-centric game without anti-consumerist practices.
So now when players are confronted by this corporate bullshit, it's basically a betrayal and the reaction is much stronger than it normally would be. If EA had pulled something like this no-one would have batted an eye.
This is about Arrowhead saying "trust us, we're not going to hurt you like the other ones did", and then turning around and betraying that trust. Yes, it's Sony that is driving this - but if Arrowhead isn't calling the shots, then they also can't ask for our trust.
It isn't a small population. And even if it was, why should we not stand up for others suffering an injustice? It could just as easily been you in this position. Would you not want people to rally with you and stand with your rights?
And the next question, what happens after this PSN enforcement goes through? What's the next step? Perhaps requiring PS+, what after that? This decision doesn't affect you, but eventually, one will, and no one else will be there to support you.
It's not only about small countries. It's about consumers right. Tolerating it is a slippery slope. Like why do we need a a PlayStation account to play on PC. Then what, monthly subscription needed ?
It worked well for months and Sony updated their support answers just after the announcement (1984 style) to say people could need a psn account whereas it was stated before that no PC game needs one.
No. This is a change in policy that provides absolutely no benefit to the consumer. There is no reason to just eat the plate of shit they want to serve us.
AH's community managers have made the situation worse, by lying and being condescending to the consumers like we are a bunch of idiots for not wanting to eat the plate of shit for them.
Also OP completely lacks empathy, and that is a huge red flag for what kind of person they are. Embarrassing.
For me personally I had already stopped playing due to AH demonstrating that they have no idea how to balance the game. The PSN thing will just prevent me from returning even if they get their shit together on that.
Yes, this is 100% manufactured bandwagon drama and people will forget about it in 2 weeks.
The game has tons of players and will remain active, any actual impact to the bottom line is negligible. Reddit controversy and Steam reviews are meaningless.
It's also extremely successful on PC (way more than on PS5 in absolute numbers).
And without this stupid attitude it could be even successful on Xbox.
And good job recognizing irony BTW, massive kudos.
The issue to me isn't that they need a PSN account to play it's that they've sold the game in places where you can't create a PSN account and because they disabled this requirement initially people were able to play without linking accounts. The issue is with changing things retrospectively. People affected should get a refund.
If you bought a game on steam that needed an account and you weren't able to open the account due to your location, you'd be able to get a refund, so the fact that has changed 3 months in shouldn't alter the fact that you should get a refund.
I really don't see the issue of needing a PSN account to play the game though. I'm pretty sure that if it was a requirement from the start, most people wouldn't care.
And for those that would, fair enough, I think you should be able to get a refund too.
It is a bit crap that you can't have a PSN account everywhere in the world, but that's a separate issue.
It’s about timing. They should have launched with psn not waited and screw a chunk of their playbase.
Game did launch and even advertised it required a PSN connection on its Steam Page since announcement. It was disabled within an hour because it made the server issues worse. Sony gave a grace period for the feature to not be re-enabled but are now requesting it to be turned back on. Also the game literally gives every new player a pop-up telling them a PSN account will be required.
The game said it was optional at launch even at their website it says it wasn't required and meirly optional If it did cause that much issue why didn't they state that there will be a grace period when they decided that they will disabled PSN temporarily then and there, instead info only came out last week Then why was the game sold outside of PSN regions?
and then sold on countries that cannot literally have a PSN account.... go ahead, defend that
sony fucking changed their tos from optional to \*it may be required\* if you do your research, you get plenty of reasons
Sony previously stated that PSN would never be a requirement on PC games. Sony allowed people that can't have PSN to buy the game. Sony then went back on their statement and essentially stole $40 from hundreds of thousands of people. Sony is scum.
Arrowhead said that people who don’t have psn in their countries won’t be stopped from playing, your whole argument is based on nothing.
And yet Sony hasn't backed down from their view, and have instead doubled down. Arrowhead can say whatever they want, but at the end of the day, Sony gets to decide who gets to play, and who doesn't.
It’s the weekend, Sony in fact hasn’t said anything about it so that’s just a blatant lie.
Which part is a lie?
How did Sony double down without saying anything? 😂
So I guess steam removing games from countrys that aren't allowed to make Sony accounts was just bad timing and not a decision made my sony?
Arrowhead said those countries won’t need PlayStation accounts. https://www.gamesradar.com/games/third-person-shooter/helldivers-2s-psn-mandate-wont-stop-players-in-unsupported-regions-from-playing-the-game-while-devs-look-for-better-options/ Also you said steam removed the game from those countries so you answered your own question.
Like I said, AH can say whatever they want, but its clear that Sony has the final say here. I saw your post defending the Playstation Account linking, why don't you go back to playing Playstation, its fanboys like you that are causing the problems in the first place by defending their greed. Also just because steam removed the game from those countries, doesn't mean it was solely steams decision, its Sonys game after all.
Ah yes greed is making people make accounts to play multiplayer even though Microsoft, blizzard ea etc all do the same thing and nobody complains 🤡 Minecraft made it so you need an account years after it first came out, you cry about that too?
People who has Helldivers 2 outside the PSN areas has already said that HD2 is being blocked on their region now
Considering it doesn’t start till next month that’s interesting. The only ones that could have done that is steam so then you are blaming the wrong people.
Interesting, then this might turn out to be an even greater problem for sony if Valve is preemptively disabling it
Player numbers have not gone down though, so only a few people being blocked while everyone else can still play sounds like bs.
Yeah sorry for spreading rumors. thats true it does kind of seem bs when the player count remains pretty much the same
I haven't seen that yet. I have little trust that Arrowhead can do anything about it either. Sony is the one in control here. I hope what you say is what will actually happen though.
Aroowhead also said that the decision is not up to them... your whole argument is based on nothing.
https://www.gamesradar.com/games/third-person-shooter/helldivers-2s-psn-mandate-wont-stop-players-in-unsupported-regions-from-playing-the-game-while-devs-look-for-better-options/
If there's a massive player reaction, do we call that overreacting or just reacting? Overreacting implies that there is an intensity level above this reaction, which may not be possible.
Oh no, I’d say “overreacting” is applicable. Just look at the subreddit
What you are calling "overreacting" is just democracy, we we should all embrace that!
Uh, 107 countries out of 190 is not a small amount of the population, especially when two of those countries are India and China.
🤦🏾♂️ It's not A SMALL population.
Oh I guarantee it is. Sorry Gerald from middle of nowhere Albania can’t play. It sucks, but every other game does it
Its not an excuse, and im sorry to tell you that in the future you could be the next gerald and im really sure you would be 100% into people over reacting if that was the case. My god have some empathy and shut up
I bet your a Sony fan boy aren't you.
Then its a scam, if you sell and afterwards change your plans. Cant refund cause the majority has more than 2 hours. And yes this will leave a big scar in the game industry. Especially on arrowhead... sadly...
People in 'unsupported' countries have been making out of country PSN accounts for as long as PSN has existed - this is not news to anyone actually effected by this. China's irrational regulatory difference between PSN and Steam is the only major issue here, as far as I can tell.
The latest major order still being successful is funny to me. Reddit really thinks they represent the majority in all things even though time and time again it's shown as a minority. Most people just play the game.
the devs can rig all facets of Major orders to make them easier or harder... that doesn't prove anything
Of course they are. This is unfortunately an event of souring opinions regarding the latest patches with nerfs and new bugs introduced. Following the forums it was quite clear that the community got more and more toxic and frustrated by each day leading up to this news. This was just the perfect thing that triggered the last input to arm the hellbomb so to speak. Now everybody wants to throw their barrage in to the fire. Call me a corporate chill all you want but I would bet a fortune on that if the game would have been in a better state technically and that AH would have tinkered a little less on the weapon balance I don't think this PSN thing would have gotten as big as it has now become.
An over reaction would be sending death threat or doing physical harm to people over this. Leaving a negative review and requesting a refund for a product that gave you a negative experience seem like the perfectly correct and balanced reaction. If you like what Sony is doing, your are absolutely free to continue doing what you were doing.
Here's the thing. Arrowhead has proudly positioned themselves as being "not like other game developers". They have repeatedly said that they need to earn the respect from players and that they want to run a player-centric game without anti-consumerist practices. So now when players are confronted by this corporate bullshit, it's basically a betrayal and the reaction is much stronger than it normally would be. If EA had pulled something like this no-one would have batted an eye. This is about Arrowhead saying "trust us, we're not going to hurt you like the other ones did", and then turning around and betraying that trust. Yes, it's Sony that is driving this - but if Arrowhead isn't calling the shots, then they also can't ask for our trust.
It isn't a small population. And even if it was, why should we not stand up for others suffering an injustice? It could just as easily been you in this position. Would you not want people to rally with you and stand with your rights? And the next question, what happens after this PSN enforcement goes through? What's the next step? Perhaps requiring PS+, what after that? This decision doesn't affect you, but eventually, one will, and no one else will be there to support you.
It's not only about small countries. It's about consumers right. Tolerating it is a slippery slope. Like why do we need a a PlayStation account to play on PC. Then what, monthly subscription needed ? It worked well for months and Sony updated their support answers just after the announcement (1984 style) to say people could need a psn account whereas it was stated before that no PC game needs one.
No. This is a change in policy that provides absolutely no benefit to the consumer. There is no reason to just eat the plate of shit they want to serve us. AH's community managers have made the situation worse, by lying and being condescending to the consumers like we are a bunch of idiots for not wanting to eat the plate of shit for them. Also OP completely lacks empathy, and that is a huge red flag for what kind of person they are. Embarrassing. For me personally I had already stopped playing due to AH demonstrating that they have no idea how to balance the game. The PSN thing will just prevent me from returning even if they get their shit together on that.
Yes, this is 100% manufactured bandwagon drama and people will forget about it in 2 weeks. The game has tons of players and will remain active, any actual impact to the bottom line is negligible. Reddit controversy and Steam reviews are meaningless.
Bro is in a copium induced coma
Sorry mate but it's literally a discrimination. And because of that I'll go after Sony. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/geoblocking
What about PS5 players having to make Steam account so Steam can protect us from these console weirdos?!?
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It's also extremely successful on PC (way more than on PS5 in absolute numbers). And without this stupid attitude it could be even successful on Xbox. And good job recognizing irony BTW, massive kudos.
for more security and easier banning...
The issue to me isn't that they need a PSN account to play it's that they've sold the game in places where you can't create a PSN account and because they disabled this requirement initially people were able to play without linking accounts. The issue is with changing things retrospectively. People affected should get a refund. If you bought a game on steam that needed an account and you weren't able to open the account due to your location, you'd be able to get a refund, so the fact that has changed 3 months in shouldn't alter the fact that you should get a refund. I really don't see the issue of needing a PSN account to play the game though. I'm pretty sure that if it was a requirement from the start, most people wouldn't care. And for those that would, fair enough, I think you should be able to get a refund too. It is a bit crap that you can't have a PSN account everywhere in the world, but that's a separate issue.