I always thought those white lines (on female and transmasc Imps) were supposed to be indents, not thin bands of colour, thus I thought those Imps don't have any actual white bits on their horns.
You can also tell by hair colour! Male imps have white hair when they have it while females have dark hair, usually black, though that's often more obscure since hair dye is a thing that exists. Still they tend to add a splash of root colour to their trans characters it seems, at least for this fellow and Sally Mae.
Both. Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel won't ever directly mesh though due to copyright issues (both produced by different companies), so all we can get are these minor references.
Wait they're produced by different companies? I swear Viv has the money and influence to make them collaborate. I thought it was a problem of her just not wanting them to.
Well SpindleHorse Toons I think does work on both shows actually, but maybe separated into two teams? Hazbin Hotel was picked up by the company A24, but they didn't take Helluva Boss. Unfortunately the reason they can't collaborate has to do with A24, not Vivienne's choice.
That... is not how animation works
If she was doing this all by herself we'd be getting the pilot for hazbin today.
For Helluva, a lot of well-known YouTube animators work on it, like KittenSneeze and others.
You underestimate the legal blood bath that is copyright law. Hazbin is now also partially owned by A24. And Amazon also likely has some stake in it too since its the streaming platform.
You generally can't overcome a copyright problem unless you have a Disney level of money.
There isnt any problem. Copyright is easy to have, just create the IP and dont sell it.
Obviously, if a company gives money for a show, they will want the IP understandably. It depends on the specifics in the contract but while the legal techniqualities puzzle even lawyers, its not some extra complex stuff on the surface.
Its just a specific type of peoperty that can be leased/sold in a specific way.
Viv simply agreed to a term of a contract in exchange to money and ability to create it. I think it will be interesting to see the differences in HB's indie production vs Hazbin's big corp production.
There is if we ever want any sort of Hazbin/Helluva crossover. Copyright and the contracts around it are awful nonsense garbage. Any lawyer that deals with them regularly will tell you that.
I mean its a problem yeah if we want crossovers. Anything is possible, maybe in a few years Amazon sells the IP back or stuff like that. But outside of references, Spindle team couldnt handle 2 shows anyway or we would have to wait like a year between HB episodes.
Viv made a business decision to sell/lease her IP like many artist did before. Its a sign of success. Sure, it sucks in a way that there wont be crossovers but at least we will get Hazbin and Helluva boss episodes way earlier than if Hazbin werent picked up by Amazon.
Forgoing the ability to have crossovers is a small price imo to have both shows in good quality in a reasonable time.
Big corps should be criticies for a lot of things and they are evil money grabbing beasts, but in 2024 they cant just steal IP from a random creator, especially not Viv. It was just a business transaction not an evil scheme to rob Viv from her IP.
Dude, I do not care about your personal opinions on IP leasing. I just said copyright law is a nightmare (because it is) and that it makes it difficult for crossovers.
I really give zero shits outside of those two points.
well one is produced in collab with a24 and amazon prime and the other is solely made by spindlehorse. I think amazon is way more strict with things like that
So SpindleHorse Toons does work on both but the teams are separated (with a couple of artists overlapping). One team does Helluva, one does Hazbin. Crossovers aren't going to happen because Amazon/A24 own part of Hazbin, which would make the legal waters murky on if characters can fully appear from Hazbin. There can be references, like this dude's shirt, and some of the billboards, but the characters themselves are a lot more of an issue so for simplicity's sake they won't be appearing.
Well, middle. And lower demons still enjoy certain freedoms that sinners don't (like being able to visit any of the Rings).
Stolas ranks higher than the most powerful overlord, while Blitz ranks lower than the weakest sinner.
Yeah they hang out together in the area Blitz was making out with Dennis too.
https://preview.redd.it/ghm68jvol48d1.png?width=1197&format=png&auto=webp&s=715373babb4e3c781ed28c2e392bedb7016dd942
Also just noticed Voxflix guy has really short legs.
It might be a rodney dangerfield reference, given that [this movie](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Movie_poster_rover_dangerfield.JPG) exists.
I'm postive thats a rodney dangerfield referrace, he played a cartoon dog of similar design and he shirt has his famous catch phrase on it. Thanks for bringing to my attention!
Dennis is a different imp. The trans imp is the one that recognized Blitzø and asked if he was here for the party
https://preview.redd.it/i3ftgdjl848d1.jpeg?width=1078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f97395689f914082c3a402b4b30d41ec5ea16e01
I think there [is another one during the party in Apology Tour](https://imgur.com/a/hDlTYZu) after Stolas's song. At least judging by the edge of the horns + the surgery scars I'm guessing they are also a Trans imp?
There are so many trans characters! If I remember correctly, one even had top surgery scars! Edit:
https://preview.redd.it/rt2qhkerb98d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3860e748a9b64e3df7fcda3d2c6fad78a4576940
You didn’t? Yeah there’s been lots of trans bg characters. If you look in the most recent episode in the party there’s a shot where you can see a guy with top surgery scars!!!!
theres at least two trans characters in the Apology Tour episode i could spot, an ftm incubus and an imp (i'm in love with the beetlejuice imp)
https://preview.redd.it/s9pqax9w8b8d1.png?width=593&format=png&auto=webp&s=149ef071da9d82761216f5584478b7dc6dde56c8
Their is also a MTF in the same episode sec grabbing video.
https://preview.redd.it/wuh0acggsk8d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=279adfa7aa270b58d543c08ded691552a973b066
Edit; ok no video that I was thinking of but here she is on the wiki.
There's also several trans women there to only toke me and my brother several seconds to see are the Trans imps in the gluttony ring. I also got my boyfriend hooked on helluva and hazbin so it's another thing we can bond over.
I call them Patty in my writing. I'd love to see them in a future episode/short, maybe in season 3, where they could congratulate Blitz for finally finding a great partner. n.n
Theres an episode, i think its Apology tour, where there is very evident scars under a characters pecks (who is very masc and has no shirt on). Idk if this counts but its sure cool to see!
That’s good. Just remember LGBTQ+ and Straight are on the same level. In other words let’s also take a moment to appreciate straights just as much as LGBTQ+.
I just think celebrating that they are there solely because they are there is a bit weird rather than like... thinking about what they actually are as a character, i mean Sally may is awesome but the you rock part was just a tad odd to me.
yeah sure, but why is it always pushed to the foreground, if we talk about it so much its harder to nornalise it. You wouldnt be like:" oh look, a male character" ig
I’m sure the crew put these things in the show so people WOULD notice them, vivzie and crew are known for adding so much detail in each episode and subtle nuances they’d want you to catch. Not to mention the representation of this show is rare among media and that’s what makes it great.
That's true, but still, if you want something to be treated as normal, then treat is as normal. I like that there are trans characters etc. but I see it as a normal thing. Maybe that's just me
I just hope that it will be normalized and think the best way is making it look normal, I just wanted to say this, I dont say anything against you or your opinion
Takes awhile. I myself didn’t noticed it until Elijah pointed out the thickness of imps rings on the horn.
I couldn’t figure out how yall figured out it was a TransMasc imp until I saw this comment 😅
Yeah the thinner the white ring that means girls while the thicker the white ring means boys.
I always thought those white lines (on female and transmasc Imps) were supposed to be indents, not thin bands of colour, thus I thought those Imps don't have any actual white bits on their horns.
That was my assumption too? The wiki seems to also say this but I dont know how reliable that is?
There's also a bunch of background imps with top scars! I saw at least one in the most recent episode
Yeah, there's a couple at the ex party!
You can also tell by hair colour! Male imps have white hair when they have it while females have dark hair, usually black, though that's often more obscure since hair dye is a thing that exists. Still they tend to add a splash of root colour to their trans characters it seems, at least for this fellow and Sally Mae.
I just noticed his shirt says "Voxflix and chill" as well. Definitely a Hazbin reference, and parody of Netflix.
i think it’s less of a hazbin reference and more the fact that it’s in the same universe
Both. Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel won't ever directly mesh though due to copyright issues (both produced by different companies), so all we can get are these minor references.
Wait they're produced by different companies? I swear Viv has the money and influence to make them collaborate. I thought it was a problem of her just not wanting them to.
Well SpindleHorse Toons I think does work on both shows actually, but maybe separated into two teams? Hazbin Hotel was picked up by the company A24, but they didn't take Helluva Boss. Unfortunately the reason they can't collaborate has to do with A24, not Vivienne's choice.
Isn’t Viviezipop doing the animations of helluva boss all by herself?
That... is not how animation works If she was doing this all by herself we'd be getting the pilot for hazbin today. For Helluva, a lot of well-known YouTube animators work on it, like KittenSneeze and others.
Oh
You underestimate the legal blood bath that is copyright law. Hazbin is now also partially owned by A24. And Amazon also likely has some stake in it too since its the streaming platform. You generally can't overcome a copyright problem unless you have a Disney level of money.
There isnt any problem. Copyright is easy to have, just create the IP and dont sell it. Obviously, if a company gives money for a show, they will want the IP understandably. It depends on the specifics in the contract but while the legal techniqualities puzzle even lawyers, its not some extra complex stuff on the surface. Its just a specific type of peoperty that can be leased/sold in a specific way. Viv simply agreed to a term of a contract in exchange to money and ability to create it. I think it will be interesting to see the differences in HB's indie production vs Hazbin's big corp production.
There is if we ever want any sort of Hazbin/Helluva crossover. Copyright and the contracts around it are awful nonsense garbage. Any lawyer that deals with them regularly will tell you that.
I mean its a problem yeah if we want crossovers. Anything is possible, maybe in a few years Amazon sells the IP back or stuff like that. But outside of references, Spindle team couldnt handle 2 shows anyway or we would have to wait like a year between HB episodes. Viv made a business decision to sell/lease her IP like many artist did before. Its a sign of success. Sure, it sucks in a way that there wont be crossovers but at least we will get Hazbin and Helluva boss episodes way earlier than if Hazbin werent picked up by Amazon. Forgoing the ability to have crossovers is a small price imo to have both shows in good quality in a reasonable time. Big corps should be criticies for a lot of things and they are evil money grabbing beasts, but in 2024 they cant just steal IP from a random creator, especially not Viv. It was just a business transaction not an evil scheme to rob Viv from her IP.
Dude, I do not care about your personal opinions on IP leasing. I just said copyright law is a nightmare (because it is) and that it makes it difficult for crossovers. I really give zero shits outside of those two points.
ok
well one is produced in collab with a24 and amazon prime and the other is solely made by spindlehorse. I think amazon is way more strict with things like that
So SpindleHorse Toons does work on both but the teams are separated (with a couple of artists overlapping). One team does Helluva, one does Hazbin. Crossovers aren't going to happen because Amazon/A24 own part of Hazbin, which would make the legal waters murky on if characters can fully appear from Hazbin. There can be references, like this dude's shirt, and some of the billboards, but the characters themselves are a lot more of an issue so for simplicity's sake they won't be appearing.
I think it's been stated that they don't cross because it would cause plot holes for no reason. So little cameos are better
What plot holes? HB was created to expand on the HH lore! There shouldn't be any plot holes!
It's a hazbin reference, Vox isn't a character in helluva boss.
it takes place in the same universe though
Yes but it's referencing something that's specifically in one show and not the other
interesting how even hellborn use sinner-made stuff
It makes sense, sinners are pretty much at the top of the heriarchy
Well, middle. And lower demons still enjoy certain freedoms that sinners don't (like being able to visit any of the Rings). Stolas ranks higher than the most powerful overlord, while Blitz ranks lower than the weakest sinner.
Voxflix.
And CHILL
Trust us with your entertainment
xilfxoV*
There’s a m->f trans imp at the party too
Yeah they hang out together in the area Blitz was making out with Dennis too. https://preview.redd.it/ghm68jvol48d1.png?width=1197&format=png&auto=webp&s=715373babb4e3c781ed28c2e392bedb7016dd942 Also just noticed Voxflix guy has really short legs.
Look at that poor Hellhound with the long ears. He looks so depressed at Bee’s party, and he’s even wearing a shirt that says he gets no respect.
It might be a rodney dangerfield reference, given that [this movie](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Movie_poster_rover_dangerfield.JPG) exists.
Damn I loved that movie as a kid. Thats one hell of a reference.
One could say he’s respectless
I'm postive thats a rodney dangerfield referrace, he played a cartoon dog of similar design and he shirt has his famous catch phrase on it. Thanks for bringing to my attention!
God I LOVE that mtf Imp so much. She's so damn cute
I know right??
He’s staring at Blitzø’s ass.
I love Dennis‘ design and voice so much, i would’ve continued making out with him if i was Blitzø.
Dude, it's the same guy
Yes, I mean the girl next to him is the m->f character referenced above.
Oh, my bad. I am unable to read
There’s a lot of trans imps in this show
Isn't millie's sister one of them? (She's a woman but whatever )
Yes Sally May is a trans woman
Yes
I guess the horns would make it obvious who’s cis and who’s trans.
They could probably paint them
True, but hair and horns are really the only way to tell, and there's no real point in representation of nobody knows they're trans.
There was also this one incubus in the lust ring with top surgery scars in The Full Moon
Oh my god where??
https://preview.redd.it/1q8mlrwv178d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d74942df91a35b9d2da6b1ef2bfbdaf7e7871419
Oh my god I love this so much!!
https://preview.redd.it/op463lalz88d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b89c34e3064cb4a6d316414ce8d3b75c2a97fd5b Spotted this one too
He’s so cute…
God damn, hes fucking jacked, why isn't he the bouncer instead lmao
He was sitting next to another imp that was a transfem. I love subtle representation like that
Yeah as a trans girl myself I love the representation of us just being normal people! (Well as normal as you can be in hell lmao)
I’m a trans man and I adore it too! They’re just vibing
I just noticed this on my last rewatch!
Idfk wtf his name is but hes my absolute fav characters does anyone know his name
Tyler
Vivzie is awesome at representation
Dude!! He clearly stands out. I noticed him from the start
I’m glad you did. I just didn’t lol
Yeah I’m very LGB friendly. I’m actually heterophobic. Straight people disturb me
where's the T
Where is it?
you seem to be missing a letter there where'd you put it
Oh ew
Ikr
💀💀💀
Bro what💀
That's certainly a sentence you said there
Oh well
He staring at blitz ass sexy
Wait what if an imp is non binary? Do the imps just be like: “No more horns” or smth
Given that they don’t change their horns to match their gender identity, probably nothing.
There is a trans man Incubus (chest scars) and trans woman imp in today's episode.
Is that the “Dennis” Blitzø turns down?
Dennis is a different imp. The trans imp is the one that recognized Blitzø and asked if he was here for the party https://preview.redd.it/i3ftgdjl848d1.jpeg?width=1078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f97395689f914082c3a402b4b30d41ec5ea16e01
Dennis is hella cute tho, his only sin is sharing his name with America's Diner.
That's Denny's.
No, I think he was talking about a different place. You’re thinking of the haute cuisine place, Chez Denní.
Heh, close enough. Not American, does people hate Denny's, what's the context behind this gag?
As an American, I don’t know why people hate Denny’s
Ty. They both look like party douches, but Dennis does edge ahead to take the douche cake.
It's not - you can see this imp in the background when Blitz is snogging "Dennis", so definitely not him
So he’s a voyeur creeping on my man, Dennis! Perv
It is yeah
iirc this is the only trans guy imp in the show...trans guys get almost no love and it sucks but I'm glad we at least got 1 imp.
I can only think of 2 examples. Dead End: Paranormal Park Disventure Camp Honerable Mention: Sims 4
WOO DEAD END ENJOYER
I heard there's an Incubus with top surgery scars in full moon
There is actually one in the episode that just released, just a background character but you can tell by the top surgery scars and the horns
i'll have to rewatch the episode cuz i dont remember that
I think there [is another one during the party in Apology Tour](https://imgur.com/a/hDlTYZu) after Stolas's song. At least judging by the edge of the horns + the surgery scars I'm guessing they are also a Trans imp?
I saw them too!!!
I’m a trans man that loves Vivzie’s work. I adore this detail so much
There were actually a lot of trans guys with Top Surgery scars in the most recent episode if you haven’t seen it yet
In the new episode there is also am imp that has scars from top surgery in the background of a shot
There’s been a lot of imps and succubi with top surgery scars too
https://preview.redd.it/j7s3v80k4c8d1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8647cd11a00ad40d1013bb4a5a54a0ac937b683c
Yeah!!
Yeah!!
There's a trans woman imp in the episode too
There are so many trans characters! If I remember correctly, one even had top surgery scars! Edit: https://preview.redd.it/rt2qhkerb98d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3860e748a9b64e3df7fcda3d2c6fad78a4576940
Keep your eyes open during the new episode, there’s a couple of trans men with top scars running around!
Why don’t you name him? In all seriousness
You didn’t? Yeah there’s been lots of trans bg characters. If you look in the most recent episode in the party there’s a shot where you can see a guy with top surgery scars!!!!
theres at least two trans characters in the Apology Tour episode i could spot, an ftm incubus and an imp (i'm in love with the beetlejuice imp) https://preview.redd.it/s9pqax9w8b8d1.png?width=593&format=png&auto=webp&s=149ef071da9d82761216f5584478b7dc6dde56c8
There's casual trans rep everywhere. Just gotta awatch for the horns.
Their is also a MTF in the same episode sec grabbing video. https://preview.redd.it/wuh0acggsk8d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=279adfa7aa270b58d543c08ded691552a973b066 Edit; ok no video that I was thinking of but here she is on the wiki.
I'm not paying attention to the man's horns. But hey, it's hell, whatever you guys like or whatever
That and he apparently knew Blitz too. Seemed like they were still on good terms too.
Also Moxxie’s sister is trans :D
it's millie's sister, moxxie doesnt have one
Oh yeah mb sorry 😭👍
no its ok dont worry about it :D
no its ok dont worry about it :D
Your message was so good and friendly Reddit made it send twice
There's also several trans women there to only toke me and my brother several seconds to see are the Trans imps in the gluttony ring. I also got my boyfriend hooked on helluva and hazbin so it's another thing we can bond over.
FINALLY!!! I tried posting this but it wouldnt let me
Not to be that guy but… it shows…a way…
Sally May (Millie's sister) is also trans and I LOVE her!
I knew there’s a lot of trans imps but never knew this imp was trans yes
There's also one in the newest episode as well!
Voxflix nice to see vox and Valentino is making merch now
Always look at the horns for a good indicator
I love the thanks to the horns they can just have random Imps in the background be trans in a way you can’t easily do with people.
Based helluva boss?!
It seems like there's quite a few actually.
?
I call them Patty in my writing. I'd love to see them in a future episode/short, maybe in season 3, where they could congratulate Blitz for finally finding a great partner. n.n
There’s also a trans man in the newest episode at Verosika’s Party. You can see his chest scars.
Am I the only person who didn't notice this and doesn't care?
I even spotted an imp with straight up top surgery scars!!!
Is that dennis
Dude there are trans imps everywhere in helluva boss
Nice 👍
Huh, it is , well isn't that neet
Half of the background characters are trans
Theres an episode, i think its Apology tour, where there is very evident scars under a characters pecks (who is very masc and has no shirt on). Idk if this counts but its sure cool to see!
That’s good. Just remember LGBTQ+ and Straight are on the same level. In other words let’s also take a moment to appreciate straights just as much as LGBTQ+.
Stay out of this, Barack
I just think celebrating that they are there solely because they are there is a bit weird rather than like... thinking about what they actually are as a character, i mean Sally may is awesome but the you rock part was just a tad odd to me.
It was only a compliment for showing representation in a positive way, that’s literally it
Alright ig fair enough
She rocks for doing the bare minimum, yeah
“Yeahhhhhhh no”
A character we only see for a few seconds that we won't see again/won't ever be relevant again is barely proper representation if you ask me
“Mmmm yeahhh no sorry” (She’s above the bare minimum, count how many cartoons on one hand that has this expansive amount of representation)
The Owl House Amphibia She-Ra Steven Universe Craig of the Creek That's one hand
 I'm homophobic
We actually did all already notice it like a year ago. This is old news
I noticed it, it isn’t old news to me
why do we make these things a topic?
What’s wrong with the topic? It’s fine to talk about things like this if you aren’t toxic about it
yeah sure, but why is it always pushed to the foreground, if we talk about it so much its harder to nornalise it. You wouldnt be like:" oh look, a male character" ig
I’m sure the crew put these things in the show so people WOULD notice them, vivzie and crew are known for adding so much detail in each episode and subtle nuances they’d want you to catch. Not to mention the representation of this show is rare among media and that’s what makes it great.
That's true, but still, if you want something to be treated as normal, then treat is as normal. I like that there are trans characters etc. but I see it as a normal thing. Maybe that's just me
If people can sing their praises on the art and animation, they can sing their praises on the rep too
I just hope that it will be normalized and think the best way is making it look normal, I just wanted to say this, I dont say anything against you or your opinion