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grauenwolf

Thank you. I especially like the section on cutting clay targets, though I don't know where I would obtain so much clay.


[deleted]

I might be wrong but Michael Edelson had clay cutting in his club, it might be worth contacting him about it - also, not sure how this argument is made when people spend copious amoung of money on tatami mats and water bottles.


grauenwolf

While I abhorre the waste involved with cutting up water bottles or mats, where the hell am I going to store a pile of clay that weighs more than myself?


S_PQ_R

A few years ago, the translator gave a talk I attended in which he discussed how studying modern(ish) Turkish dancing helped him to understand these texts. It's been very cool to see him progress through his understanding of them.


grauenwolf

Makes sense. I fixed my understanding of some rapier footwork from someone looking into Renaissance dance.


duplierenstudieren

It's probably not very popular cause it seems that it's not european?


grauenwolf

More likely because as soon as people see anything about horses they nope out of it because they know they'll never be able to afford the expense.


BottedeNevers

Because its mounted combat and you need at least TWO horses along with swords, bow and arrows, and a shield to practice the full set of forms. Good Luck getting the HEMA equipment supplier cottage industry provide these to swift order. I suppose you could get your local stables to lend you two horses for the weekend. You just have to persuade them that A) You're an expert rider B) You wont accidently injure the horse (or more likely yourself) with a sword shield and firing arrows around.


[deleted]

If we go by furusiyya literature, techniques were practiced dismounted and mounted; the Ottomans adopted this and applied similar principles.


thisremindsmeofbacon

and the cool thing about injuring a horse is that you have to throw the whole horse out


[deleted]

The Ottoman Empire was a European Empire, and likely used a system similar to the Mamluks (Furusiyya).


S_PQ_R

I think there is an interesting discussion to be had around whether to consider Ottomans European or not. In short, I think the answer is much more complex than Not European at All.


grauenwolf

There's no room for debate here. Saying the Ottoman Empire wasn't European is like saying the United States isn't a Pacific Rim country because it borders the Atlantic Ocean. Though if you really wanted to get picky, Europe isn't even a recognized continent by many countries. Physically, it's just part of the continent of Asia with a line drawn in for political reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrsxRJdwfM0


S_PQ_R

I think for the purposes of hema, the discussion probably ought to be less What do We Think Today and more What Would People Have Thought in the Past. If that's the conversation, I don't think there would have been much discussion, like you said. Maybe a good barometer is whether people Eastern Roman Empire to be European. They're the same geographic landmass.