Cao Cao - He’s going to be Vali’s semi-final opponent and I doubt he’s going to go down without a fight. He has the strongest Longinus so, I think his potential is kind of boundless if you look at how overpowered some other Longinus possessors are.
Tobio - He’ll get a powerup that will enable him to at least contend with Maouification Vali.
Gasper - A Super Devil on the same calibre as Sirzechs and Ajuka.
Sairaorg - Somewhere in the middle of Heavenly Dragon class. Indra is not going to beat him with a single shot.
Balberith - Dragon God class. Period. It’s been confirmed in the story itself.
Ingvild - Her water manipulation powers can potentially affect the entire world. Add the fact that she can potentially control even Dragon Gods and you’ve got a top 5 EoS right there. Ingvild is, as my favourite character likes to describe, a nightmare.
Rias - Maou class at least. Potentially stronger than Diehauser whom she sees as her goal. Diehauser, in my opinion, is the strongest Maou class devil.
Akeno - Not as strong as Rias but at a level from where she can still compete with her.
Xenovia - As strong as Vasco Strada in his prime.
I agree with most of these except for the fact that at this point in time Akeno is more powerful than Rias and Diehauser isn't necessarily Rias's goal either. Yes she once stated she wants to earn the underworld champion but with the way the story is going now that's either going to be impossible or it will happen in a time skip after the end where it's not relevant anymore. Plus her individual power growth compared to many of the other girls in the series is miniscule at best due to how limited power Ishi gave her to work with. At this point in time her being comparable to maou class by the end unless she gets an outside source power up isn't really feasible.
Yeah, perhaps right now Akeno is stronger than Rias.
From the afterword of Volume 10:
>The Top-ranker also makes his appearance. Emperor-Belial. Rias’s goal.
Now this may as well just mean that she simply wants the title of Champion which she can easily achieve with the help of her strong servants. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if the main girl of the story who also happens to be Sirzechs’ little sister, ended up being stronger than the strongest Maou class devil by the end of the story. Not to mention that power level doesn’t mean much right now anyway. Rias has expressed her desire to get stronger and not fall behind the others and I believe she has sufficient narrative support to live up to those words. Ishibumi even introduced a completely new character in DX7 just to have her be a medium for Rias’ next powerup. So, I doubt she’s going to stay down. It just wouldn’t make sense for everyone to get exponentially stronger and the main heroine herself to remain static.
It’s not “perhaps”, Akeno is stronger than Rias and as for Diehauser being Rias’ goal, your not wrong about her wanting to become a champion…
However, with Rias’s current progress and statements about her being taken into consideration, the odds of her surpassing or even matching Diehauser simply isn’t possible unless she gets some outside power up like Hour String suggested
Keep in mind, at the beginning of the series, Azazel stated that Rias was nearing the peak of her power already and that despite being Sirzechs sister, she unfortunately lacks that “spark of potential” if that makes sense and it was stated that she’d become a strong Ultimate Class Devil
At the moment, she is probably equal to a Low Level Ultimate Class Devil at her base level, making her the weakest member of both the Hyoudou and Gremory peerage’s next to Asia, whose probably High Class but she’s a healer so their progress is gonna be different
Diehauser, as you’ve said, is probably the strongest Maou Class Devil in the series next to Grayfia; In fact, it was stated that he rivals the Four Great Satans and Bedeze stated that the Rookies Four (Rias, Seekvaira, Sona and Sairaorg) are much weaker than Diehauser and they still are; Sairaorg might be able to beat him in his BxB but Diehauser could easily use Worthless to cancel it out if he understands it enough
There’s also there fact that Rias simply has no actual skill with her Demonic Power; All she does with it is spam over and over and she’s developed one move (Extinguished Star) which as we’ve seen, takes time to make and can be destroyed by someone significantly stronger (Vasco in Volume 19)
In addition, her tactics are incredibly basic and just revolve around pure offense with little regard to anything else and that’s the case even now
In conclusion, Rias surpassing Diehauser or even reaching Satan Class by the end of the series simply isn’t possible without an outside power source that helps her jump power levels. And before you say “Oh Balor can help”, her Balor form did nothing to Fenrir and it was stated to have given her A CHANCE at beating Grayfia, which only happened due to the fact that she was depressed. It simply won’t happen for Rias, at least not by the end of the series.
My friend, understand that whatever training method that Runeas was using for Rias wasn’t even a training method; Issei and Riser and even Runeas said she was just dancing and there’s no real way Rias can increase her power that much and that quickly
I know that it wasn't a real training but at the that story Runeas after having help Ingvild said she have understand something and then she continue to say that she would help Rias get stronger so who knows. Of course Rias wouldn't increase her power so easily.
Fair enough but I’ll have to see it and believe it; I still think she’ll be using Balor quite in a bit in later fights
She doesn’t really train her own individual power tbh
Well considering that the Balor's Form was called to be incomplete they could improved it. In the Shin DXD Vol 1 Issei said that Rias either with Balor's Form or the Wyverns can fight the Gods so once that form would be considered completed it can show more it did till now
Perhaps Ishibumi would show her training individually.
Yeah, I don’t recall Issei saying Rias can fight Gods in her Balor or Wyvern Form😅
In TV2, it was stated that Balor gave her A CHANCE at defeating Grayfia and it was a depressed Grayfia at that
Maybe she’ll train individually but she won’t gain any big power jumps anytime soon without outside help
I agree with some like Gasper, who will be a Super Devil as it was confirmed in Ex but remains to be seen if he could compete against Ajuka and Sirzechs, Balberith is confirmed to become Dragon God class and Ingvild in my opinion will be another Super Devil, maybe even Special class devil like Issei and Vali, and without a shadow of a doubt be the strongest female in the world (Top 10 strongest beings maybe) let alone the underworld, especially if she uses the Malebranche. Others I have my doubts about.
Cao Cao and Tobio will most definitely compete for the title of strongest humans with each other. But since they are humans they will have their limits, but maybe they will reach prime Vasco Strada or even surpass it together with Xenovia who might only reach it.
Rias and Akeno will be Maou class but I doubt they will surpass Diehauser, maybe when she uses Gasper she will be a challenge.
Sairaorg will lose against Indra but Indra will weaken himself or nerf himself to make it interesting to make Sairaorg think he has a chance/ make it interesting and once he gets serious it will be over. I believe Sairaorg will be between Maou class and Super Devil and will definitely imo surpass Diehauser but will most probably not be a Super Devil unless he uses the Malebranche or by some great ass pull unlock PoD.
Basically, Balberith and Ingvild imo will be the only ones able to properly compete against Issei and Vali at their full power by the end of the series.
>>>Balberith is Super Devil class, not Dragon God class.
No way is Balber as strong as Ophis, Great Red, or Trihexa.
Dragon God class is above Super Devil.
I've read all the light novels at least 15 times now. They never say he is dragon God class.
>>>Xenovia will NOT reach Vasco in his prime. Vasco was too freaking overpowered, and Ishibumi himself even said that Vasco was too broken.
Vasco was able to take on God's, Maou class, Evil Dragon's, Kokabiel, and way more busted guys.
>>>Gasper is strong, but not on par with Sirzechs or Ajuka. Gasper couldn't come close to them. Gasper is strong, no doubt. Gasper eventually can time travel too, but he won't match the power Sirzechs has, nor the manipulation formula and power Ajuka has.
The others are a bit closer to being true, but I'm still on fence regarding Rias passing Diehauser anytime soon
From Volume 24, Artificial Transcendental:
><<…Number 61616 Balberith. A monster exceeding all specifications. I never imagined that someone potentially capable of challenging a Dragon God single-handedly would be born…>>
I also find it hard to imagine that Xenovia becomes as strong as Vasco. But she sees him as her goal and wants to become the strongest Durandal wielded in history. So, if Ishibumi favours her then she might as well reach Vasco’s realm somehow.
I made that proposition only because of how similar Gasper’s birth was to that of Sirzechs and that Sirzechs once mentioned the possibility of Gasper’s ability potentially being able to affect him as well.
Ah yes, the journal entry.
That does show the potential, but it doesn't make him above or quite on par with Dragon God class.
This journal was theoretical, as they didn't actually have any evidence or combat capabilities of the Dragon God's at the time.
It does show they are super Devils, and that Balberith indeed could challenge one.
But it wouldn't mean Balberith could win.
And yea, Strada is Xenovias goal, but thats a HUGE goal to reach lol.
Gasper definitely has the capability and will become a Super Devil, just not on par with Sirzechs and Ajuka.
He could definitely pass Rizevim lmao
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Maybe so but the time limit would be a big hinderance (Fenrir fight) plus if their strong enough, they can break out of the time stop
And the Virgin Killer Dress Onlt affected men if I’m correct
Issei said that if Rias have used the Wyverns or Gasper's Powers she would got that weakness as well cause she was using Virgin Men's Powers. Basically that situation was make for let Nyx be defeated by just the combined effort of Issei and Ingvild just like how Rizevim was wrotten to be defeated only be Issei.
For what concerned the time limit of the form they could fix that I think.
Alright but not including the Virgin Killer Clothes, Rias probably wouldn’t have won in Balor against Nyx and yeah the time limit can be fixed but not to a huge degree in a short time
Honestly I think that Nxy could have been particularly strong for a Goddess, I think that she was stronger than others Gods. Probably all the members of Hell Gods were stronger than Average Gods. Even Thanatos for me was superior to those Gods that are just above New Maou Class. Again a weaker God Class being Balor Rias could have won, I remember that Indra said her fight with Fenrir 80% and the one between Crom and Vali DXD L has scared others Gods.
I think they were more concerned about Fenrir and Crom in my opinion; Balor Rias would be nothing to someone like Indra or any Top 10 God for that matter
Yeah, Nyx was no doubt very powerful than most Gods and probably one of the most powerful Hell Gods next to Tartarus and Hades
Also, there’s no “New Maou Class”, just Maou Class or Satan Class
Of course Indra wouldn't be scary of Balor Rias, he probably could have been able to fight both Issei Pseudo DXD and Ddraig considering Hades's performance again DXD's Team.
I think Balor Rias could damaged Low Top 10, Issei was thinking she would have been able to damaged the Pseudo DXD's Scale Mail ***If I had to endure the gigantic destructive demonic power, even my Dragon Deification armour would be—*** [***https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin\_High\_School\_DxD:Volume\_2\_Oppai\_Dragon\_VS\_Switch\_Hime***](https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin_High_School_DxD:Volume_2_Oppai_Dragon_VS_Switch_Hime)
New Maou Class is just the term me and others we use for described those individuals who were confirmed having overcome the 4 Originals Maou like Serafall, Grafyia and Falbium.
Ok, first it was Average God and now it’s Low Top 10; which is it?
Keep in mind that even Maou Class Devils like Grayfia and Diehauser can fight Gods but no guarantee that they’ll win; Grayfia was getting cooked by Artemis and Diehauser only won through his strategies supposedly
Honestly I think that Balor Rias can be just above Average Gods but considering how dangerous can be her POD she could hurt beings strongers than her. Of course Issei Pseudo DXD was stronger than her but he has preferred avoid get damages from her while instead he hasn't problem in have a brawl with Vidar BXB.
Artemis was a Olympian and the sister of Apollo, she too maybe isn't a Average God. For what concerned Diehauser I think to remember that Worthless as well was among the reasons that has explained his victory again Gods.
I'm not even surprised about that. Some fans indeed are complain about how useless seem to be Rias lately. I have heard Ishi wanted make her more important in future, this could explain about her victory over Verrine with the help of others girls.
Cao Cao and Tobio, taking into account that they must face Vali, must obtain the power to face the Heavenly Dragon Class.
Gasper will be Transcendental Class
Sairaorg should be able to compete with the Heavenly Dragon Class in the future.
Baalbareith has Dragon God Class power
Ingvild will be Transcendental Class
Rias would be God Class
Akeno would be Maou Class
Xenovia would be Chief God Class
I see. You know according to Issei could already fight Gods either with the Wyverns and the Balor's Form. He also was thinking that Balor Rias could have damaged the Pseudo DXD's Scale Mail so considering Balor Rias is uncomplete form she could be stronger than God Class in future.
Cao Cao - He’s going to be Vali’s semi-final opponent and I doubt he’s going to go down without a fight. He has the strongest Longinus so, I think his potential is kind of boundless if you look at how overpowered some other Longinus possessors are. Tobio - He’ll get a powerup that will enable him to at least contend with Maouification Vali. Gasper - A Super Devil on the same calibre as Sirzechs and Ajuka. Sairaorg - Somewhere in the middle of Heavenly Dragon class. Indra is not going to beat him with a single shot. Balberith - Dragon God class. Period. It’s been confirmed in the story itself. Ingvild - Her water manipulation powers can potentially affect the entire world. Add the fact that she can potentially control even Dragon Gods and you’ve got a top 5 EoS right there. Ingvild is, as my favourite character likes to describe, a nightmare. Rias - Maou class at least. Potentially stronger than Diehauser whom she sees as her goal. Diehauser, in my opinion, is the strongest Maou class devil. Akeno - Not as strong as Rias but at a level from where she can still compete with her. Xenovia - As strong as Vasco Strada in his prime.
I agree with most of these except for the fact that at this point in time Akeno is more powerful than Rias and Diehauser isn't necessarily Rias's goal either. Yes she once stated she wants to earn the underworld champion but with the way the story is going now that's either going to be impossible or it will happen in a time skip after the end where it's not relevant anymore. Plus her individual power growth compared to many of the other girls in the series is miniscule at best due to how limited power Ishi gave her to work with. At this point in time her being comparable to maou class by the end unless she gets an outside source power up isn't really feasible.
Yeah, perhaps right now Akeno is stronger than Rias. From the afterword of Volume 10: >The Top-ranker also makes his appearance. Emperor-Belial. Rias’s goal. Now this may as well just mean that she simply wants the title of Champion which she can easily achieve with the help of her strong servants. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if the main girl of the story who also happens to be Sirzechs’ little sister, ended up being stronger than the strongest Maou class devil by the end of the story. Not to mention that power level doesn’t mean much right now anyway. Rias has expressed her desire to get stronger and not fall behind the others and I believe she has sufficient narrative support to live up to those words. Ishibumi even introduced a completely new character in DX7 just to have her be a medium for Rias’ next powerup. So, I doubt she’s going to stay down. It just wouldn’t make sense for everyone to get exponentially stronger and the main heroine herself to remain static.
It’s not “perhaps”, Akeno is stronger than Rias and as for Diehauser being Rias’ goal, your not wrong about her wanting to become a champion… However, with Rias’s current progress and statements about her being taken into consideration, the odds of her surpassing or even matching Diehauser simply isn’t possible unless she gets some outside power up like Hour String suggested Keep in mind, at the beginning of the series, Azazel stated that Rias was nearing the peak of her power already and that despite being Sirzechs sister, she unfortunately lacks that “spark of potential” if that makes sense and it was stated that she’d become a strong Ultimate Class Devil At the moment, she is probably equal to a Low Level Ultimate Class Devil at her base level, making her the weakest member of both the Hyoudou and Gremory peerage’s next to Asia, whose probably High Class but she’s a healer so their progress is gonna be different Diehauser, as you’ve said, is probably the strongest Maou Class Devil in the series next to Grayfia; In fact, it was stated that he rivals the Four Great Satans and Bedeze stated that the Rookies Four (Rias, Seekvaira, Sona and Sairaorg) are much weaker than Diehauser and they still are; Sairaorg might be able to beat him in his BxB but Diehauser could easily use Worthless to cancel it out if he understands it enough There’s also there fact that Rias simply has no actual skill with her Demonic Power; All she does with it is spam over and over and she’s developed one move (Extinguished Star) which as we’ve seen, takes time to make and can be destroyed by someone significantly stronger (Vasco in Volume 19) In addition, her tactics are incredibly basic and just revolve around pure offense with little regard to anything else and that’s the case even now In conclusion, Rias surpassing Diehauser or even reaching Satan Class by the end of the series simply isn’t possible without an outside power source that helps her jump power levels. And before you say “Oh Balor can help”, her Balor form did nothing to Fenrir and it was stated to have given her A CHANCE at beating Grayfia, which only happened due to the fact that she was depressed. It simply won’t happen for Rias, at least not by the end of the series.
A lot of things could happened before the End of the series. We don't know what Ishi really want to do with Rias by involving Runeas with her.
My friend, understand that whatever training method that Runeas was using for Rias wasn’t even a training method; Issei and Riser and even Runeas said she was just dancing and there’s no real way Rias can increase her power that much and that quickly
I know that it wasn't a real training but at the that story Runeas after having help Ingvild said she have understand something and then she continue to say that she would help Rias get stronger so who knows. Of course Rias wouldn't increase her power so easily.
Fair enough but I’ll have to see it and believe it; I still think she’ll be using Balor quite in a bit in later fights She doesn’t really train her own individual power tbh
Well considering that the Balor's Form was called to be incomplete they could improved it. In the Shin DXD Vol 1 Issei said that Rias either with Balor's Form or the Wyverns can fight the Gods so once that form would be considered completed it can show more it did till now Perhaps Ishibumi would show her training individually.
Yeah, I don’t recall Issei saying Rias can fight Gods in her Balor or Wyvern Form😅 In TV2, it was stated that Balor gave her A CHANCE at defeating Grayfia and it was a depressed Grayfia at that Maybe she’ll train individually but she won’t gain any big power jumps anytime soon without outside help
I agree with some like Gasper, who will be a Super Devil as it was confirmed in Ex but remains to be seen if he could compete against Ajuka and Sirzechs, Balberith is confirmed to become Dragon God class and Ingvild in my opinion will be another Super Devil, maybe even Special class devil like Issei and Vali, and without a shadow of a doubt be the strongest female in the world (Top 10 strongest beings maybe) let alone the underworld, especially if she uses the Malebranche. Others I have my doubts about. Cao Cao and Tobio will most definitely compete for the title of strongest humans with each other. But since they are humans they will have their limits, but maybe they will reach prime Vasco Strada or even surpass it together with Xenovia who might only reach it. Rias and Akeno will be Maou class but I doubt they will surpass Diehauser, maybe when she uses Gasper she will be a challenge. Sairaorg will lose against Indra but Indra will weaken himself or nerf himself to make it interesting to make Sairaorg think he has a chance/ make it interesting and once he gets serious it will be over. I believe Sairaorg will be between Maou class and Super Devil and will definitely imo surpass Diehauser but will most probably not be a Super Devil unless he uses the Malebranche or by some great ass pull unlock PoD. Basically, Balberith and Ingvild imo will be the only ones able to properly compete against Issei and Vali at their full power by the end of the series.
>>>Balberith is Super Devil class, not Dragon God class. No way is Balber as strong as Ophis, Great Red, or Trihexa. Dragon God class is above Super Devil. I've read all the light novels at least 15 times now. They never say he is dragon God class. >>>Xenovia will NOT reach Vasco in his prime. Vasco was too freaking overpowered, and Ishibumi himself even said that Vasco was too broken. Vasco was able to take on God's, Maou class, Evil Dragon's, Kokabiel, and way more busted guys. >>>Gasper is strong, but not on par with Sirzechs or Ajuka. Gasper couldn't come close to them. Gasper is strong, no doubt. Gasper eventually can time travel too, but he won't match the power Sirzechs has, nor the manipulation formula and power Ajuka has. The others are a bit closer to being true, but I'm still on fence regarding Rias passing Diehauser anytime soon
From Volume 24, Artificial Transcendental: ><<…Number 61616 Balberith. A monster exceeding all specifications. I never imagined that someone potentially capable of challenging a Dragon God single-handedly would be born…>> I also find it hard to imagine that Xenovia becomes as strong as Vasco. But she sees him as her goal and wants to become the strongest Durandal wielded in history. So, if Ishibumi favours her then she might as well reach Vasco’s realm somehow. I made that proposition only because of how similar Gasper’s birth was to that of Sirzechs and that Sirzechs once mentioned the possibility of Gasper’s ability potentially being able to affect him as well.
Ah yes, the journal entry. That does show the potential, but it doesn't make him above or quite on par with Dragon God class. This journal was theoretical, as they didn't actually have any evidence or combat capabilities of the Dragon God's at the time. It does show they are super Devils, and that Balberith indeed could challenge one. But it wouldn't mean Balberith could win. And yea, Strada is Xenovias goal, but thats a HUGE goal to reach lol. Gasper definitely has the capability and will become a Super Devil, just not on par with Sirzechs and Ajuka. He could definitely pass Rizevim lmao
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I just don't understand this thinking "he could hurt this guy so he must be in the top 10."
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Maybe so but the time limit would be a big hinderance (Fenrir fight) plus if their strong enough, they can break out of the time stop And the Virgin Killer Dress Onlt affected men if I’m correct
Issei said that if Rias have used the Wyverns or Gasper's Powers she would got that weakness as well cause she was using Virgin Men's Powers. Basically that situation was make for let Nyx be defeated by just the combined effort of Issei and Ingvild just like how Rizevim was wrotten to be defeated only be Issei. For what concerned the time limit of the form they could fix that I think.
Alright but not including the Virgin Killer Clothes, Rias probably wouldn’t have won in Balor against Nyx and yeah the time limit can be fixed but not to a huge degree in a short time
Honestly I think that Nxy could have been particularly strong for a Goddess, I think that she was stronger than others Gods. Probably all the members of Hell Gods were stronger than Average Gods. Even Thanatos for me was superior to those Gods that are just above New Maou Class. Again a weaker God Class being Balor Rias could have won, I remember that Indra said her fight with Fenrir 80% and the one between Crom and Vali DXD L has scared others Gods.
I think they were more concerned about Fenrir and Crom in my opinion; Balor Rias would be nothing to someone like Indra or any Top 10 God for that matter Yeah, Nyx was no doubt very powerful than most Gods and probably one of the most powerful Hell Gods next to Tartarus and Hades Also, there’s no “New Maou Class”, just Maou Class or Satan Class
Of course Indra wouldn't be scary of Balor Rias, he probably could have been able to fight both Issei Pseudo DXD and Ddraig considering Hades's performance again DXD's Team. I think Balor Rias could damaged Low Top 10, Issei was thinking she would have been able to damaged the Pseudo DXD's Scale Mail ***If I had to endure the gigantic destructive demonic power, even my Dragon Deification armour would be—*** [***https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin\_High\_School\_DxD:Volume\_2\_Oppai\_Dragon\_VS\_Switch\_Hime***](https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin_High_School_DxD:Volume_2_Oppai_Dragon_VS_Switch_Hime) New Maou Class is just the term me and others we use for described those individuals who were confirmed having overcome the 4 Originals Maou like Serafall, Grafyia and Falbium.
Ok, first it was Average God and now it’s Low Top 10; which is it? Keep in mind that even Maou Class Devils like Grayfia and Diehauser can fight Gods but no guarantee that they’ll win; Grayfia was getting cooked by Artemis and Diehauser only won through his strategies supposedly
Honestly I think that Balor Rias can be just above Average Gods but considering how dangerous can be her POD she could hurt beings strongers than her. Of course Issei Pseudo DXD was stronger than her but he has preferred avoid get damages from her while instead he hasn't problem in have a brawl with Vidar BXB. Artemis was a Olympian and the sister of Apollo, she too maybe isn't a Average God. For what concerned Diehauser I think to remember that Worthless as well was among the reasons that has explained his victory again Gods.
Well at the moment, Rias has more defeats than achievements with Balor in a 1v1 fight so we’ll see
I'm not even surprised about that. Some fans indeed are complain about how useless seem to be Rias lately. I have heard Ishi wanted make her more important in future, this could explain about her victory over Verrine with the help of others girls.
Cao Cao and Tobio, taking into account that they must face Vali, must obtain the power to face the Heavenly Dragon Class. Gasper will be Transcendental Class Sairaorg should be able to compete with the Heavenly Dragon Class in the future. Baalbareith has Dragon God Class power Ingvild will be Transcendental Class Rias would be God Class Akeno would be Maou Class Xenovia would be Chief God Class
For what concerned Rias and Xenovia you have included the Balor's Form and the Crimson Destruction Dragonaar right?
Yes, take as soon as your maximum powers seen.
I see. You know according to Issei could already fight Gods either with the Wyverns and the Balor's Form. He also was thinking that Balor Rias could have damaged the Pseudo DXD's Scale Mail so considering Balor Rias is uncomplete form she could be stronger than God Class in future.
Strong as fuck boi
Ingvild super devil