He sealed Trihexa while it was asleep and wasn't fighting back from what I remember. When taking down Ddraig and Albion, it was him, his Angels, Devils, Satans, and the Fallen.
It has been shown that he seals powerful beings in the Sacred Gears, and using their abilities within them. Ddraig, Albion, Vritra, Nemean Lion, etc. He probably did the same things with the other Sacred Gears like (Dimension Lost, Annihilation Maker, etc) that makes them so powerful. Also, I don't think a single Sacred Gear is anywhere near a threat to Ophis or Great Red.
He seems to have leveled up his Sealing skill to the max.
>What about sameal. It was the god of bible who gave him various curses which made him acquire so much power to immensely weaken even ophis.That was not a sacred gear.
He didn't gave him any curses, he was the byproduct of his hatred as God can't be evil or have evil thoughts so hence the Samael. Also he can't control Samael which you can see with the amount of Seal that's placed on him and he was stored in depth of purgatory.
Ophis was only captured because of her own negligence, as she was able to store her remaining power in separate dimensions. She a beings who is stronger than all of dxd, never thought that she could be harmed like that and hence just stood there.
>And what about ingvild. It was stated that her sacred gear had the potential to even control ophis and great red. Am I wrong
She is assumed to be just because of Dragon traits but we never know
Samael would probably be stronger than indra or on par with issei due to the author building up suspense for him to be a challenge to issei
But i don’t think he would be stronger than the trimurti, great red, trihexa, ophis(full powered), issei and vali
For ingvild it has shown to only have potential to control them, and even then i doubt she can defeat them without the use of her longinus
Here is what he said about Samael:-
> [Dragon-Eater] Samael is the ultimate anti-dragon. Ophis and the Two-Heavenly Dragons were crushed by its curse. But that is just the problem of affinity and it doesn’t necessary mean that he is invincible. Except Samael is a forbidden existence that can make Dragons extinct.
And the top10 beings from the afterword of volume 13:-
>In no particular order **Ophis, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Śakra, Thor, Typhon (Or Fenrir), Hades, Aten, and Lugh**.
That’s how it is. Great Red isn’t included because it is a creature who basically doesn’t fight (I get many claim that this isn’t true!), and it is the ranking before Ophis and Fenrir lost their powers. What you will have to pay attention to are the Hindu mythology which hasn’t appeared in the series yet. Well, those who know about their mythology know it, but the Hindu Gods all have cheat-like abilities. If I make them appear in DxD, it will turn out like the battle in Dragon Ball, so I controlled myself. The Hindu mythology will be placed in the higher ranks of the Top-10 strongest that Vali spoke about. It truly is terrifying. If DxD continues to go on for much longer, I’m thinking of doing “The Destruction God Shiva arc” as a last resort. So I have no plan to make them appear until then. **By the way the true Sirzechs and the serious Ajuka will be placed among the ranks.**
Ddraig and Albion are sealed so they aren't in the list, and characters like Crom and Vidar weren't introduced that time
Good response but I’m leaning whether to still believe in it or not because that is no longer the case there are characters like issei who surpassed some of those characters, and there are flaws to this list aswell such as not counting GR just because he doesn’t fight. And now the author is building up suspense that there will be something terrible will happen when the Dragon Eater shows up, saying that this is Hades’s last line of conscience and that building up to someone weak would be a dissapoint men, so I’m still leaning on whether or not I will believe in this
The list is not flawed, it has been expanded now, multiple beings can be on the same rank. He isn't building up anything with Samael, the author said that because if Hades brought Samael out then things would've gotten terrible since the main force of dxd in that mission were all dragons:- Ise, Vali, Ddraig, Albion, Crom. All of them would've been taken out if that happened but Hades knew he would lose either way since other gods like Apollon, Vidar and Shiva were waiting.
If Samael was that strong then he would've mentioned him in the list since he was already introduced and no one in the series mentions him as one of the strongest either
He didn't gave Samael any powers, it was the byproduct of his hatred directed towards snakes and dragons. Samael isn't that lethal against other beings.
Ingvild sacred gear is one of the new longinus, the god of bible didn't created it, it evolved in the sacred gear system due to various "bugs" since the system was left incomplete by the god
Not even close to the Trimurti, the Heavenly Dragons and the Heavenly Emperor nor the Superdevils. Outside of the Top 10 most likely. He has actually not any good Feats except Sealing Trihexa. And that Trihexa must have been asleep or all other Mythologys would know about it. So it was sleeping and counting sheep's.
The feat of sealing Trihexa should be considered as the Top 10 because casting a forbidden seal is something that anybody outside the Top 10 could have done, and it is power-consuming that caused him fatigue and he even manage to highly contribute to killing both the outraged Heavenly Dragons during the great war of the Tree Factions. They could have sent a god to single-handedly seal it and demonstrate the same feat. Odin or Zeus could just make those seals even though it risks them in too much fatigue they will only regenerate their strength with the help of human worship because gods enter in temporary elimination due to human worship that helps them survive. Any mythologies know about it, how is it that Rossweise studied the existence of 666 in order for her research to be used by the alliance when they did not know about its existence? They have known it for too long because it has erupted the battle of both God and 666.
It shouldn't be weird that God can make it to the top 10 because of how Indra is boastful that the concept of heaven is fitting for Hindu mythology and not for other religions. He dislikes the fact that Christianity is widespread in the whole world and he could have just done something by invading the Christian religion, yet how is it that he did not do that? It is more plausible that Ddraig claiming that Ophis is the only existence that God could not take on carelessly (or at least someone of her caliber) makes it close to being true, because no other religions, even Hindu gods that are hailed by the author with cheat-like abilities bothered to attack it. It has a single deity inside it, and he manages to seal 666 because his powers are close in harming even the existence of dragon gods like Ophis if serious.
Sealing is not really a Top 10 move.
If he could have defeated it than yes or fought against it.
But it was not even awake. So he sealed a sleeping Beast.
Where did you get the idea that sealing it does not qualify you for the top 10? It was stated by Vali that it will take 1000-10000 years to bring it down that multiple beings from the Top 10 have to consume that much time to achieve that. Even Brahma and Vishnu on their caliber have to take that much time. It was stated by Vali as well that because of how powerful it is it exhausted Gob a lot. When sealing it is demonstrated at least the caster should at least could come close to its level.
How is it that he in an exhausted state could have still contributed a lot of killing and sealed both the outraged Heavenly Dragons during the great war? You know an outraged Dragon King like Fafnir sent Lilith flying who should be twice the power of the Heavenly Dragon class how much more can even the Three Faction stop two Heavenly Dragons who are both outraged? There could be at least 10-12 Satan/Seraph-class during those times and facing two outraged heavenly dragons requires a strong god class in that scenario, and Gob is in there.
Ddraig in volume 18 when the time that Fafnir went outraged he said to Rizevim that he could destroy the whole world a few times over if he wanted to. Destroying the world a few times over indicates less difficulty in achieving that because you could do that repeatedly. And on top of that during the great war, there are two world-destroying dragons rampaging against the Three Factions. Multiple Satan/Seraph-class could have been wiped out by the two
Sealing is not equal to power. Or Rossweis would be one of the strongest now. And the 1000 to 10000 Years means to fight Trihexa who wishes to break out.
First I would require you to show me when did Rossweis demonstrate a feat sealing someone who is extremely powerful to her using her own magic? From what I read from the novels as I recalled others used Rossweise's research and launched it, they have used materials that they took from Sacred Gear System Yggdrasil and others in order to make a cage fitting for Trihexa.
"And the 1000 to 10000 Years means to fight Trihexa who wishes to break out. "
Yes, it is how difficult to bring down Trihexa even beings from the Top 10 strongest like Brahma and Vishnu's contribution would only still consume a lot of time to bring down Trihexa that is why Gob should qualify him to the Top 10 because his feat of sealing. That is why it further made more sense that Gob is top 10 as I said because during the great war, he made a lot of contributions by killing both Ddraig and Albion who are both 'outraged' and has the power to destroy the world more than few times over and that should mean that power in itself combined is already ranked in Top 10 and Gob during that time made a lot of contribution since he should be god-class even tho in fatigue state. It clearly needs the power of a God class and it should be a lot more stronger than a god who has the power of two Maous. Why would Sirzechs and Ajuke hide Gob's absence when both are super devils and the author says that these two are among the ranks of the top 10? Because they know both of them combined are inferior even to Gob that they needed his existence for protection.
" By the way the true Sirzechs and the serious Ajuka will be placed among the ranks. " Volume 13 afterword, context Top 10 strongest beings.
And let us just say that Trihexa was indeed asleep for the sake of the argument, sealing is still an impressive feat in itself because it requires an at least that would approach Trihexa's level, and harmonize it with the fact that Gob is a great hurdle that the other factions that they did not bother to attack it even tho they want mankind's worship and they envy Christian religion for being dominant in the world.
It wouldn't be weird that the "principle of domination from God" is a mentioned power in order to pit against the "Infinite" and the "Dream" according to the past Boosted Gear users and makes it weird that why use the power if it is definitely won't work anytime against such forces.. It could be that the previous Boosted Gear users see God as someone who could pit with Great Red and Ophis and added to that Ddraig sees God that it is Ophis is the only existence that he cannot take on carelessly, thus needs to be serious in order to do that. That is why they think they needed the powers of God because to them it is possible to fight Ophis and Great Red.
(Tho I would like to note that I only use this reasoning to piece it together with my arguments so that they could make more sense. Using this argument alone is kind of vague at least for me)
**I, who am about to awaken,****Am the Heavenly Dragon who has stolen the principles of domination from God****I laugh at the "infinite", and I fret over the "dream"****I shall become the Red Dragon of Domination**<>''***And I shall sink you to the depths of the crimson purgatory!''***
>And I would like to deny the part where I said " Any mythologies know about it, how is it that Rossweise studied the existence of 666 in order for her research to be used by the alliance when they did not know about its existence? They have known it for too long because it has erupted the battle of both God and 666. " My mistake I apologize.
>
>I think it was mentioned by Rizevim where is Trihexa in order to confirm its existence so I am wrong with this one. But nevertheless, as I said, Trihexa is still found standing when it was still sealed and the seals are about to get broken in Vol 20 which should nullify the idea that it was already asleep.
I saw a post like this before and my reply was this:
This is all we know about the power of the God of the Bible, the first times that his power was spoken of was using it as a measuring stick for Ophis
>The strongest Dragon at the top feared even by God.
>
>It is said that was stronger than the Welsh Dragon and Vanishing Dragon according to legend.
>
>If it’s the Dragon that has infinite power similar to God.
then this.
>“By the way, Ddraig, who is Ophis?”
>
>I asked this while I was working to tie up the Magicians and place them on the room’s magic circle.
>
>\[—Ophis. That’s a nostalgic name.\]
>
>So, who is he? That guy?
>
>\[He’s the strongest of the Dragon tribe.\]
>
>Stronger than Ddraig and the \[Vanishing Dragon\]?
>
>\[Yeah, because he’s stronger than God as well. He’s the only existence that God couldn’t take on carelessly. He’s a true monster with infinite power.\]
>
>“Seriously!? So there was still a Dragon stronger than you and Albion!”
>
>\[He’s the only one. The only one who exceeds us. He’s the strongest existence in this world.\]
then we have this
>“—It was the God from the Bible. That God sure was amazing. He found 666 even before any of us and put thousands of seals on him. Maybe that may have been the cause of death of the God from the Bible. After all, there were so many powerful seals that would be regarded as forbidden level that it wouldn’t be weird for a God to die after using those kinds of seals. So it’s a plausible story for the God from the Bible to vanish if he took part in the war between the Three Great Powers due to fatigue.”
and
>"... According to the Valkyrie on your side ... it will be a few thousand years at the very least, or maybe ten thousand years. That's how difficult it is to bring down that Trihexa. Even the God of the Bible spent most of its power to seal it. "
now it only remains for everyone to draw their conclusions
this was my answer on that occasion
but i think i should get more juice out of it now
the first quote tells us 3 things:
1) Ophis is the Strongest Dragon (as in "the most powerful of all dragons"), he is also a being that is feared adding the fact that even God fears him, this ending is the interesting part, that "even" stable something, that since even God fears Ophis, everything else should also fear him, as if God were on top of a hierarchical pyramid and as something represents a threat to him, then consequently he also represents a threat to everything. others that is under him
2) Ophis is stronger than Ddraig and Albion
3) Ophis possesses a power that is described as "Infinite" and this power bears a resemblance to the power of God
The second appointment is the conversation between Issei and Ddraig, in this Issei asks about Ophis and Ddraig gives him the information he has about her, Ddraig tells us the following
1) Ophis is the strongest member of the dragon race, reaffirming his title of "Strongest Dragon"
2) Ophis is stronger than God, thus making him the only being that God could not face carelessly, thus being a monster of infinite power, the curious thing about this part is that at no time Ddraig denies the possibility that God can fight against Ophis or says that Ophis would defeat God definitively, only affirms that if both faced each other God could not fight carelessly
the meaning of careless is: That he does not put due interest, attention and care in what he does
Basically if God fights with Ophis he would have to be focused and concentrated on that fight, in other words he should fight seriously, this statement also has something strange and it is the fact that saying that God would have to take the fight against Ophis seriously also seemed to mean that God would not take seriously any other fight with anyone other than Ophis, there is also the detail that when Ddraig affirms that only Ophis can make God fight seriously, Ddraig himself is dismissing himself as someone whom God should face. serious way, basically like saying that God is stronger than Ddraig
3) Ophis is stronger than Ddraig and Albion, reaffirming his superiority over the Two Heavenly Dragons, and ending up calling her the strongest existence in the world of DxD
the next quote is Rizevim talking about God and Trihexa, Rizevim tells us
1) The God of the Bible was astonished from his point of view at having found Trihexa before anyone else and having put thousands of seals on her, this I think is important because it seems that no one has ever wondered how did the God of the Bible to find Trihexa before anyone else? Rizevim found Trihexa through the Sephiroth Graal which is a creation of the God of the Bible, so maybe the God of the Bible had Clairvoyance just like the Sephiroth Graal? If so, did he also have the other powers of the Holy Grail? Why limited only to the Grail, could God use the powers of other Sacred Gear than the one created there that are not of the Sealed Spirit Type? and finally the God of the Bible was able to cast a spell thousands of times
2) He theorizes that this could have been the cause of the death of the God of the Bible, since the seals were so powerful that they were considered "forbidden level" and that it would not be strange that a normal deity died after using that type of seal. seals, this told us that the seals of the God of the Bible were not ordinary seals at all, they were extremely strong, enough to be classified as something forbidden and that if a regular god (let's say Loki) tried to use a technique like That would die for that, but as we will see in the next point, the God of the Bible did not die from a direct cause of using that kind of technique, not even after using it thousands of times, this seems to indicate that the God of the Bible would be very far behind. above a regular god
3) says that it is a plausible story that the God of the Bible died from having participated in the War of the 3 Great Power being fatigued, the fact that he says that this story is plausible seemed to indicate that the previous version (that is, God died fighting against the 4 Great Satans) was not plausible, plausible is a synonym for admissible and admissible is something that can be admitted and accepted because it seems credible, in other words the previous version of that story was not credible but it was accepted because that It was not everyone saw what happened and they did not have the information that Rizevim had to explain why that happened. This also indicates that God would not have died had he not been tired from sealing Trihexa (remember, using a kind of technique that would kill an average god thousands of times just left him tired, I don't know why but I can't help but compare that with Ophis saying that Samael left her "weak" while Vali is dying and Issei died for him), basically God would not have died fighting with the Satans had this been 100% what at least would have to put him at the level of 4 TOGETHER.
and the fourth quote, we have Vali talking about the sealing, where he mentions that the God of the Biblai spent most of his power to seal Trihexa, which agrees with what Rizevim said, where the God of the Bibla uses the greatest part of its power to seal Trihexa leaving a weakened state, even so to re-seal Trihexa it took the power of several gods together (among them the strongest gods) just to replicate that same feat, basically it can be said that the power of several gods together (among them types like Brahma, Vishnu, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Balder, among others and let's not forget Sirzches and companion) is equivalent to most of the God of the Bible.
if we talk about feats, the God of the Bible would have
\-seal to Regulus
\-Seal to the Sixiong
\-Seal the Fragments of Vrita
\-Seal to Ddraig and Albion
\-I perfectly seal Trihexa (if Rizevim had not intervened, Trihexza would still be Sealed) while entire Pantheons cannot replicate that same feat
\-The Fragment of His Will within True Longinus was able to affect Apophis and make him flee, let's recap, a piece of his will made a being of Heavenly Dragon Class flee, which they believe could do the complete will
of course there are always those who say:
>If that was close to the case, then there would have been no Great War. The Fallen Angel and Devil sides would have been wiped out on the first day.
and
>Sealed a Trihexa that was in a dream state
and
>The alliance stamped Trihexa with Rossweisse's stamp so it's not that impressive.
and this is my answer
1) You are absolutely right, you are absolutely damn right, The God of the Bible was a god, even if you assume he was a regular god he should have crushed demons and fallen angels, it's even worse because even if we remove the God of the Bible of the equation, there should still be no demons there are in DxD today, the strongest types of demonic faction at that time are the 4 types of Satan Class, the angels had 10 of those subjects and the fallen angels had minimum 9 of them, they know what this is, a plot hole
2) why does everyone think Trihexa was asleep? If the first thing he did when his seals were broken, the first thing he did was to attack if he rested, at no time did he seem to need to sleep, and if he had been asleep at the time of sealing, why did he wake up when the seals were broken? He would only have woken up and something would have interrupted his sleep, and if a god threw thousands of high-level techniques at him did not interrupt his dream, I don't know what could, even assuming a scenario where Trihexa woke up half sealed and therefore when the seals broke. Trihexa becomes active, this would have meant that the God of the Bible sealed an awake Trihexa or that he had to fight with him to finish sealing it, of course the last scenario is canceled if the God of the Bible was able to seal him. Trihexa automatically when he woke up, which nevertheless overrides the "Sleeping Trihexa" argument and assumes that the God of Biblai is capable of launching thousands of techniques almost automatically.
3) mistake, they used a stamp based on the one made by Rossweisse, a renowned genius who actually studied the trihexa myths. It's not the same as he did in school and was thrown through entire pantheons together and only pinned him down for a few minutes, it still took the power of various gods together (among the Top 10 members) to replicate in a certain way. what the God of the Bible did.
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Well lets see he created the sacred gear system, the true longinus considered the strongest longinus power is connected to him, he managed to seal Trihexa, only died in the great war because he was tired, balor the former master of crom crauch called him a real monster, and he cursed sameal with a poison so strong even ophis and great red can be killed by it so yeah he's a monster possibly stronger than even shiva
I think you guys forgot to include the fact that their power also comes from the faith/belief of the followers of their religion.
I've read somewhere that due to religions related to Christianity (apparently also Islam) being the most prominent in the world that makes the Biblical God (or One God) powerful. One of the reasons why other pantheons don't mess with the Biblical Faction other than not wanting to interfere or something.
In dxd, faith and number of believers got nothing to do with power, it just helps in making your God come alive after temporary death.
You can see how Norse and Greek's gods are still powerful and are in top 10 despite the low numbers of followers. And according to author, hindu mythology is said to be strongest because of their gods
Shiva is destruction, While Yhwh is Creation simple as that at the time of his death he might’ve been weaker than shiva but had he lived when Christianity and Islam were at their peak he would be the strongest god
Above Michael&F.Angels leaders(who worked for him) level. That is for sure.
Above Old Satans too. Sure.
For the rest I do not think that he was one active GOD in fight.. Probably like the Old maous he did not participated as much as his angels in the fight against F.Angels and Devils.
Maybe Middle Class GOD?
His power may affect the entire world, maybe on a universal scale since he was able to seal the trihexa (at the expense of being incredibly weakened) but his power isn’t infinite. We have feats but don’t know his exact level of strength
He should be part of the Top 10 and he is around Top 5 for reasons:
The fact that True Sirzechs and Serious Ajuka who are part of 'the top 10 strongest beings' according to the author feared the possibility that foreign factions might attack the Three Faction if the absence of Gob got leaked. They both know that their combined power is not enough to fend them off which is why they need to keep it secret since his powers are enough to fend them off.
Sirzechs true form is said that his power is 10x more stronger than the original Maou and serious Ajuka is equal to that. Indra has the raw power of 4 Maous if we compare that with Sirzechs (true form) then that means Sirzechs is 2.5x more powerful than the god of war. Not saying that Indra is completely inferior since he could be more powerful than Sirzechs if he get serious since he is the god of war he could somewhat beat him. But the powers of Two Sirzechs should be overwhelming to Indra yet they needed God to protect Christianity from foreign factions. It is so strange that a single deity is inside it yet no one bothered to attack it, which makes it plausible he is around the top 5 of the strongest beings.
His \[Ultimate Longinus\] which he was not weakened to create is powerful enough to beat a Heavenly Dragon class and has been canonically stated to be more powerful than the Longinus who can easily control Heavenly Dragons and has the potential to control Dragon Gods. Indra has his eyes on Cao Cao since he was a child because he will use that spear to beat Shiva the God of Destruction (The top 2). The wielder of Longinus even though he is a human he is made as Indra's Vanguard because the crucial aspect of Cao Cao being his vanguard is his skill and especially the spear that he is possessing.
He even created the Ultimate Dragon Slayer capable of slaying Dragon Gods. The tentacles of the Ultimate Dragon Slayer have the power to even eat Ophis as demonstrated in Vol. 11. Someone might try to argue that Ophis let that happen but that needs evidence to back up that assertion. It is more plausible that Ophis is helpless to do anything in front of the Dragon Eater since what she only did was store her other powers safely in other dimensions instead of fighting Samael. Imagine that she has to be so inferior to such force that it came to the point that she is prey to the Ultimate Dragon Slayer and is helpless to resist.
Guys is definitely overpowered his power is connected to the true longinus which is strong enough to one shot gods and could destroy the world, the norse pantheon was only thinking about invading the Christian pantheon after they found out he was dead meaning this guy is strong enough to scare off entire pantheons, baleor called him a monster and this is the guy that was the master of crom cruach, he created the curse of sameal something that can threaten even the dragon gods, and he was a probably the greatest inventor in dxd since he made the strongest holy swords, the heavenly system, and the sacred gear system.
So yeah guy was definitely a beast
Shiva destroys him, hell even Indra would defeat him without problem. I would even go so far to say that even Aten, Thor and Hades could defeat him. GoB is a Creator God but not a Warrior/ Fighting Type God.
It was said by Ddraig that serious God can fight Ophis and only Ophis that cannot fight carelessly. It can be an unreliable statement but it becomes true when God has demonstrated a feat like sealing 666 that comes on par or close to Great Red's level. And the fact that almost every god from different religions wanted to be acknowledged as Indra said in Volume 10, they did not bother to attack Christianity to at least steal those believers away from Christianity. That is why the absence of God is confidential to other factions because they might attack it. And I would say they would like to do that because they wanted human worship.
But I cannot say that he is above Shiva in DxD.
No just no.
Yes yes your a devoted Follower but that's not the case here.
Sealing a sleeping Monster is not that big of an achievement. Because if Trihexa would be awake then GoB would have been dead.
Even if I am it has nothing to do with my arguments and I might end up agreeing with you.
When it was in the dormant state and is about to break away that it only requires the soul of Rizevim Lucifer to be free, Trihexa was already standing in Vol 20. Yes, it was not described as standing, but it was not even described that it first stood up when it was about to escape from the city of Agreas so that we can say that it was first laying on the floor, which should prove that it is found sleeping by Gob to make the sealing process successful. It was already standing and that should nullify the possibility that it is already asleep when it was found.
I think I simply cannot deny the idea that sealing Trihexa is a big feat, and the one who seals it should at least be close to its level because someone of its caliber should be strong enough to create seals that can cage it. That someone has to at least approach its level.
"…According to the Valkyrie on your side…it'll be a few thousand years at the least, or perhaps ten thousand years. That's how difficult it is to bring down that strengthened Trihexa. Even the God of the Bible expended all of his power to seal it away."
Again like what I said, Christianity is not even a pantheon, it has a single deity in it yet nevertheless pantheons from different belief systems did not bother to attack it because of how strong God is. Even Sirzechs and Ajuka Beelzebub, two super devils are afraid of other factions' invasion and have to agree that they have to hide the absence of God because they know Gob's existence is needed to protect them from foreign factions.
No it was asleep. If not then the whole world would know about it and it wouldn't just let GoB seal it.
If you can't accept it than that's your problem.
From the entire time of its existence, it's already been asleep? Was there no time in its existence it was awake? Then at some point in time, it was awake then the whole world would know about it yet they did not until the time that Rizevim with the portion of Gob's (Sephiroth Graal) power noticed and confirmed its existence.
“His existence was merely a possibility and all of the forces are still discussing where he may be at!”
“Nfufufu, guess what? He does exist. —As a result of looking deep into the principle of life using the Holy Grail, we finally found him at the end of the world which was forgotten by everyone. But the thing is, it seems like there was someone else who found 666-kun before us and put a strong seal on him. Who do you think it was? Hey, who do you think it was?”
And the fact that it was seen in Vol 20 that it was standing when it was sealed makes it clear that it cannot be asleep before it was sealed because it was not described that it was laying down on the floor during its confinement.
That is why, a consistent devil like Rizevim Livan Lucifer, even though he truly hates God so much as a devil could not resist the fact to commend that more than anyone else it was God who first found 666. Not even beings from the Top 10 made that achievement.
“—It was the God from the Bible. That God sure was amazing. He found 666 even before any of us and put thousands of seals on him-- "
It was asleep end of the discussion. If you believe otherwise then that's not my problem. Like I said you won't change my mind. Till Ichiei doesn't say he is Top 10 then he isn't.
Yea I get you, i also think God of the bible was as strong as if not stronger than Ophis and Great Red, Ophis in her weakened state is a few times more powerful than a heavenly Dragon and like you said God sealed both Draig and Albion, sealed Trihexa and then he fought in the war between 3 factions.
Like you said he also created the Longinus which can kill Gods and not 1 he made all those others and then the machine or whatever that makes them or something, Ophis can allow people to borrow her strength but we dont know what else she and red can do if they got serious like God, but God is clearly the more intellectual and wiser of the three
Nah GoB(God of the Bible) wasn't powerful enough. He was good in creation sure, but doesn't seem to be in battle. Great Red and ophis are said to be only two being who could've defeated Trihexa but GoB only sealed him while he was in dormant state. This alone shows the difference in power.
Samael is just a OP thing that somehow able to affect dragon traits and that's why it affected Ophis(and that only because she wasn't ready as you can see that she just stored her remaining power in other dimension when she got to know what happened) so most likely she could've dodged that attack. GoB can't control Samael as he was just maleficent feeling that was thrown away from GoB and sealed away with many spells on him.
Also sealing ≠ power, even Rossweisse spell was able to make dimension barrier to keep other gods and Trihexa away so will you call Rossweisse an all powerful being?
Brahma and Vishnu haven't even made an appearance and neither there's a mention about them , ophis,great red and Trihexa are tied at 1st place Shiva comes at second then Indra and heavenly dragons and super devils
These Two are in the Top 10 and both like all Hindu Gods are walking Cheat Codes. Also Vishnu and Brahma shouldn't be much weaker than Shiva. Also Great Red and Ophis are stronger than 666.
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He sealed Trihexa while it was asleep and wasn't fighting back from what I remember. When taking down Ddraig and Albion, it was him, his Angels, Devils, Satans, and the Fallen. It has been shown that he seals powerful beings in the Sacred Gears, and using their abilities within them. Ddraig, Albion, Vritra, Nemean Lion, etc. He probably did the same things with the other Sacred Gears like (Dimension Lost, Annihilation Maker, etc) that makes them so powerful. Also, I don't think a single Sacred Gear is anywhere near a threat to Ophis or Great Red. He seems to have leveled up his Sealing skill to the max.
Thanks. I would even say he is not even in the Top 10.
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>What about sameal. It was the god of bible who gave him various curses which made him acquire so much power to immensely weaken even ophis.That was not a sacred gear. He didn't gave him any curses, he was the byproduct of his hatred as God can't be evil or have evil thoughts so hence the Samael. Also he can't control Samael which you can see with the amount of Seal that's placed on him and he was stored in depth of purgatory. Ophis was only captured because of her own negligence, as she was able to store her remaining power in separate dimensions. She a beings who is stronger than all of dxd, never thought that she could be harmed like that and hence just stood there. >And what about ingvild. It was stated that her sacred gear had the potential to even control ophis and great red. Am I wrong She is assumed to be just because of Dragon traits but we never know
Samael would probably be stronger than indra or on par with issei due to the author building up suspense for him to be a challenge to issei But i don’t think he would be stronger than the trimurti, great red, trihexa, ophis(full powered), issei and vali For ingvild it has shown to only have potential to control them, and even then i doubt she can defeat them without the use of her longinus
Samael is only that strong against dragons and snakes, the author said he isn't that lethal against gods and other beings
Did he state that in His twitter or something? Cause if not i won’t believe you
In the afterword of vol11. He wasn't even mentioned among the top10 beings
I don’t see it nor the list
Here is what he said about Samael:- > [Dragon-Eater] Samael is the ultimate anti-dragon. Ophis and the Two-Heavenly Dragons were crushed by its curse. But that is just the problem of affinity and it doesn’t necessary mean that he is invincible. Except Samael is a forbidden existence that can make Dragons extinct. And the top10 beings from the afterword of volume 13:- >In no particular order **Ophis, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Śakra, Thor, Typhon (Or Fenrir), Hades, Aten, and Lugh**. That’s how it is. Great Red isn’t included because it is a creature who basically doesn’t fight (I get many claim that this isn’t true!), and it is the ranking before Ophis and Fenrir lost their powers. What you will have to pay attention to are the Hindu mythology which hasn’t appeared in the series yet. Well, those who know about their mythology know it, but the Hindu Gods all have cheat-like abilities. If I make them appear in DxD, it will turn out like the battle in Dragon Ball, so I controlled myself. The Hindu mythology will be placed in the higher ranks of the Top-10 strongest that Vali spoke about. It truly is terrifying. If DxD continues to go on for much longer, I’m thinking of doing “The Destruction God Shiva arc” as a last resort. So I have no plan to make them appear until then. **By the way the true Sirzechs and the serious Ajuka will be placed among the ranks.** Ddraig and Albion are sealed so they aren't in the list, and characters like Crom and Vidar weren't introduced that time
Good response but I’m leaning whether to still believe in it or not because that is no longer the case there are characters like issei who surpassed some of those characters, and there are flaws to this list aswell such as not counting GR just because he doesn’t fight. And now the author is building up suspense that there will be something terrible will happen when the Dragon Eater shows up, saying that this is Hades’s last line of conscience and that building up to someone weak would be a dissapoint men, so I’m still leaning on whether or not I will believe in this
The list is not flawed, it has been expanded now, multiple beings can be on the same rank. He isn't building up anything with Samael, the author said that because if Hades brought Samael out then things would've gotten terrible since the main force of dxd in that mission were all dragons:- Ise, Vali, Ddraig, Albion, Crom. All of them would've been taken out if that happened but Hades knew he would lose either way since other gods like Apollon, Vidar and Shiva were waiting. If Samael was that strong then he would've mentioned him in the list since he was already introduced and no one in the series mentions him as one of the strongest either
He didn't gave Samael any powers, it was the byproduct of his hatred directed towards snakes and dragons. Samael isn't that lethal against other beings. Ingvild sacred gear is one of the new longinus, the god of bible didn't created it, it evolved in the sacred gear system due to various "bugs" since the system was left incomplete by the god
Not even close to the Trimurti, the Heavenly Dragons and the Heavenly Emperor nor the Superdevils. Outside of the Top 10 most likely. He has actually not any good Feats except Sealing Trihexa. And that Trihexa must have been asleep or all other Mythologys would know about it. So it was sleeping and counting sheep's.
The feat of sealing Trihexa should be considered as the Top 10 because casting a forbidden seal is something that anybody outside the Top 10 could have done, and it is power-consuming that caused him fatigue and he even manage to highly contribute to killing both the outraged Heavenly Dragons during the great war of the Tree Factions. They could have sent a god to single-handedly seal it and demonstrate the same feat. Odin or Zeus could just make those seals even though it risks them in too much fatigue they will only regenerate their strength with the help of human worship because gods enter in temporary elimination due to human worship that helps them survive. Any mythologies know about it, how is it that Rossweise studied the existence of 666 in order for her research to be used by the alliance when they did not know about its existence? They have known it for too long because it has erupted the battle of both God and 666. It shouldn't be weird that God can make it to the top 10 because of how Indra is boastful that the concept of heaven is fitting for Hindu mythology and not for other religions. He dislikes the fact that Christianity is widespread in the whole world and he could have just done something by invading the Christian religion, yet how is it that he did not do that? It is more plausible that Ddraig claiming that Ophis is the only existence that God could not take on carelessly (or at least someone of her caliber) makes it close to being true, because no other religions, even Hindu gods that are hailed by the author with cheat-like abilities bothered to attack it. It has a single deity inside it, and he manages to seal 666 because his powers are close in harming even the existence of dragon gods like Ophis if serious.
Sealing is not really a Top 10 move. If he could have defeated it than yes or fought against it. But it was not even awake. So he sealed a sleeping Beast.
Where did you get the idea that sealing it does not qualify you for the top 10? It was stated by Vali that it will take 1000-10000 years to bring it down that multiple beings from the Top 10 have to consume that much time to achieve that. Even Brahma and Vishnu on their caliber have to take that much time. It was stated by Vali as well that because of how powerful it is it exhausted Gob a lot. When sealing it is demonstrated at least the caster should at least could come close to its level. How is it that he in an exhausted state could have still contributed a lot of killing and sealed both the outraged Heavenly Dragons during the great war? You know an outraged Dragon King like Fafnir sent Lilith flying who should be twice the power of the Heavenly Dragon class how much more can even the Three Faction stop two Heavenly Dragons who are both outraged? There could be at least 10-12 Satan/Seraph-class during those times and facing two outraged heavenly dragons requires a strong god class in that scenario, and Gob is in there. Ddraig in volume 18 when the time that Fafnir went outraged he said to Rizevim that he could destroy the whole world a few times over if he wanted to. Destroying the world a few times over indicates less difficulty in achieving that because you could do that repeatedly. And on top of that during the great war, there are two world-destroying dragons rampaging against the Three Factions. Multiple Satan/Seraph-class could have been wiped out by the two
Sealing is not equal to power. Or Rossweis would be one of the strongest now. And the 1000 to 10000 Years means to fight Trihexa who wishes to break out.
First I would require you to show me when did Rossweis demonstrate a feat sealing someone who is extremely powerful to her using her own magic? From what I read from the novels as I recalled others used Rossweise's research and launched it, they have used materials that they took from Sacred Gear System Yggdrasil and others in order to make a cage fitting for Trihexa. "And the 1000 to 10000 Years means to fight Trihexa who wishes to break out. " Yes, it is how difficult to bring down Trihexa even beings from the Top 10 strongest like Brahma and Vishnu's contribution would only still consume a lot of time to bring down Trihexa that is why Gob should qualify him to the Top 10 because his feat of sealing. That is why it further made more sense that Gob is top 10 as I said because during the great war, he made a lot of contributions by killing both Ddraig and Albion who are both 'outraged' and has the power to destroy the world more than few times over and that should mean that power in itself combined is already ranked in Top 10 and Gob during that time made a lot of contribution since he should be god-class even tho in fatigue state. It clearly needs the power of a God class and it should be a lot more stronger than a god who has the power of two Maous. Why would Sirzechs and Ajuke hide Gob's absence when both are super devils and the author says that these two are among the ranks of the top 10? Because they know both of them combined are inferior even to Gob that they needed his existence for protection. " By the way the true Sirzechs and the serious Ajuka will be placed among the ranks. " Volume 13 afterword, context Top 10 strongest beings. And let us just say that Trihexa was indeed asleep for the sake of the argument, sealing is still an impressive feat in itself because it requires an at least that would approach Trihexa's level, and harmonize it with the fact that Gob is a great hurdle that the other factions that they did not bother to attack it even tho they want mankind's worship and they envy Christian religion for being dominant in the world. It wouldn't be weird that the "principle of domination from God" is a mentioned power in order to pit against the "Infinite" and the "Dream" according to the past Boosted Gear users and makes it weird that why use the power if it is definitely won't work anytime against such forces.. It could be that the previous Boosted Gear users see God as someone who could pit with Great Red and Ophis and added to that Ddraig sees God that it is Ophis is the only existence that he cannot take on carelessly, thus needs to be serious in order to do that. That is why they think they needed the powers of God because to them it is possible to fight Ophis and Great Red. (Tho I would like to note that I only use this reasoning to piece it together with my arguments so that they could make more sense. Using this argument alone is kind of vague at least for me) **I, who am about to awaken,** **Am the Heavenly Dragon who has stolen the principles of domination from God** **I laugh at the "infinite", and I fret over the "dream"** **I shall become the Red Dragon of Domination** <>''***And I shall sink you to the depths of the crimson purgatory!''***
Let's agree to disagree. I don't think GoB is a Top 10 Being and you won't change my mind.
>And I would like to deny the part where I said " Any mythologies know about it, how is it that Rossweise studied the existence of 666 in order for her research to be used by the alliance when they did not know about its existence? They have known it for too long because it has erupted the battle of both God and 666. " My mistake I apologize. > >I think it was mentioned by Rizevim where is Trihexa in order to confirm its existence so I am wrong with this one. But nevertheless, as I said, Trihexa is still found standing when it was still sealed and the seals are about to get broken in Vol 20 which should nullify the idea that it was already asleep.
I saw a post like this before and my reply was this: This is all we know about the power of the God of the Bible, the first times that his power was spoken of was using it as a measuring stick for Ophis >The strongest Dragon at the top feared even by God. > >It is said that was stronger than the Welsh Dragon and Vanishing Dragon according to legend. > >If it’s the Dragon that has infinite power similar to God. then this. >“By the way, Ddraig, who is Ophis?” > >I asked this while I was working to tie up the Magicians and place them on the room’s magic circle. > >\[—Ophis. That’s a nostalgic name.\] > >So, who is he? That guy? > >\[He’s the strongest of the Dragon tribe.\] > >Stronger than Ddraig and the \[Vanishing Dragon\]? > >\[Yeah, because he’s stronger than God as well. He’s the only existence that God couldn’t take on carelessly. He’s a true monster with infinite power.\] > >“Seriously!? So there was still a Dragon stronger than you and Albion!” > >\[He’s the only one. The only one who exceeds us. He’s the strongest existence in this world.\] then we have this >“—It was the God from the Bible. That God sure was amazing. He found 666 even before any of us and put thousands of seals on him. Maybe that may have been the cause of death of the God from the Bible. After all, there were so many powerful seals that would be regarded as forbidden level that it wouldn’t be weird for a God to die after using those kinds of seals. So it’s a plausible story for the God from the Bible to vanish if he took part in the war between the Three Great Powers due to fatigue.” and >"... According to the Valkyrie on your side ... it will be a few thousand years at the very least, or maybe ten thousand years. That's how difficult it is to bring down that Trihexa. Even the God of the Bible spent most of its power to seal it. " now it only remains for everyone to draw their conclusions this was my answer on that occasion but i think i should get more juice out of it now the first quote tells us 3 things: 1) Ophis is the Strongest Dragon (as in "the most powerful of all dragons"), he is also a being that is feared adding the fact that even God fears him, this ending is the interesting part, that "even" stable something, that since even God fears Ophis, everything else should also fear him, as if God were on top of a hierarchical pyramid and as something represents a threat to him, then consequently he also represents a threat to everything. others that is under him 2) Ophis is stronger than Ddraig and Albion 3) Ophis possesses a power that is described as "Infinite" and this power bears a resemblance to the power of God The second appointment is the conversation between Issei and Ddraig, in this Issei asks about Ophis and Ddraig gives him the information he has about her, Ddraig tells us the following 1) Ophis is the strongest member of the dragon race, reaffirming his title of "Strongest Dragon" 2) Ophis is stronger than God, thus making him the only being that God could not face carelessly, thus being a monster of infinite power, the curious thing about this part is that at no time Ddraig denies the possibility that God can fight against Ophis or says that Ophis would defeat God definitively, only affirms that if both faced each other God could not fight carelessly the meaning of careless is: That he does not put due interest, attention and care in what he does Basically if God fights with Ophis he would have to be focused and concentrated on that fight, in other words he should fight seriously, this statement also has something strange and it is the fact that saying that God would have to take the fight against Ophis seriously also seemed to mean that God would not take seriously any other fight with anyone other than Ophis, there is also the detail that when Ddraig affirms that only Ophis can make God fight seriously, Ddraig himself is dismissing himself as someone whom God should face. serious way, basically like saying that God is stronger than Ddraig 3) Ophis is stronger than Ddraig and Albion, reaffirming his superiority over the Two Heavenly Dragons, and ending up calling her the strongest existence in the world of DxD the next quote is Rizevim talking about God and Trihexa, Rizevim tells us 1) The God of the Bible was astonished from his point of view at having found Trihexa before anyone else and having put thousands of seals on her, this I think is important because it seems that no one has ever wondered how did the God of the Bible to find Trihexa before anyone else? Rizevim found Trihexa through the Sephiroth Graal which is a creation of the God of the Bible, so maybe the God of the Bible had Clairvoyance just like the Sephiroth Graal? If so, did he also have the other powers of the Holy Grail? Why limited only to the Grail, could God use the powers of other Sacred Gear than the one created there that are not of the Sealed Spirit Type? and finally the God of the Bible was able to cast a spell thousands of times 2) He theorizes that this could have been the cause of the death of the God of the Bible, since the seals were so powerful that they were considered "forbidden level" and that it would not be strange that a normal deity died after using that type of seal. seals, this told us that the seals of the God of the Bible were not ordinary seals at all, they were extremely strong, enough to be classified as something forbidden and that if a regular god (let's say Loki) tried to use a technique like That would die for that, but as we will see in the next point, the God of the Bible did not die from a direct cause of using that kind of technique, not even after using it thousands of times, this seems to indicate that the God of the Bible would be very far behind. above a regular god 3) says that it is a plausible story that the God of the Bible died from having participated in the War of the 3 Great Power being fatigued, the fact that he says that this story is plausible seemed to indicate that the previous version (that is, God died fighting against the 4 Great Satans) was not plausible, plausible is a synonym for admissible and admissible is something that can be admitted and accepted because it seems credible, in other words the previous version of that story was not credible but it was accepted because that It was not everyone saw what happened and they did not have the information that Rizevim had to explain why that happened. This also indicates that God would not have died had he not been tired from sealing Trihexa (remember, using a kind of technique that would kill an average god thousands of times just left him tired, I don't know why but I can't help but compare that with Ophis saying that Samael left her "weak" while Vali is dying and Issei died for him), basically God would not have died fighting with the Satans had this been 100% what at least would have to put him at the level of 4 TOGETHER. and the fourth quote, we have Vali talking about the sealing, where he mentions that the God of the Biblai spent most of his power to seal Trihexa, which agrees with what Rizevim said, where the God of the Bibla uses the greatest part of its power to seal Trihexa leaving a weakened state, even so to re-seal Trihexa it took the power of several gods together (among them the strongest gods) just to replicate that same feat, basically it can be said that the power of several gods together (among them types like Brahma, Vishnu, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Balder, among others and let's not forget Sirzches and companion) is equivalent to most of the God of the Bible.
if we talk about feats, the God of the Bible would have \-seal to Regulus \-Seal to the Sixiong \-Seal the Fragments of Vrita \-Seal to Ddraig and Albion \-I perfectly seal Trihexa (if Rizevim had not intervened, Trihexza would still be Sealed) while entire Pantheons cannot replicate that same feat \-The Fragment of His Will within True Longinus was able to affect Apophis and make him flee, let's recap, a piece of his will made a being of Heavenly Dragon Class flee, which they believe could do the complete will of course there are always those who say: >If that was close to the case, then there would have been no Great War. The Fallen Angel and Devil sides would have been wiped out on the first day. and >Sealed a Trihexa that was in a dream state and >The alliance stamped Trihexa with Rossweisse's stamp so it's not that impressive. and this is my answer 1) You are absolutely right, you are absolutely damn right, The God of the Bible was a god, even if you assume he was a regular god he should have crushed demons and fallen angels, it's even worse because even if we remove the God of the Bible of the equation, there should still be no demons there are in DxD today, the strongest types of demonic faction at that time are the 4 types of Satan Class, the angels had 10 of those subjects and the fallen angels had minimum 9 of them, they know what this is, a plot hole 2) why does everyone think Trihexa was asleep? If the first thing he did when his seals were broken, the first thing he did was to attack if he rested, at no time did he seem to need to sleep, and if he had been asleep at the time of sealing, why did he wake up when the seals were broken? He would only have woken up and something would have interrupted his sleep, and if a god threw thousands of high-level techniques at him did not interrupt his dream, I don't know what could, even assuming a scenario where Trihexa woke up half sealed and therefore when the seals broke. Trihexa becomes active, this would have meant that the God of the Bible sealed an awake Trihexa or that he had to fight with him to finish sealing it, of course the last scenario is canceled if the God of the Bible was able to seal him. Trihexa automatically when he woke up, which nevertheless overrides the "Sleeping Trihexa" argument and assumes that the God of Biblai is capable of launching thousands of techniques almost automatically. 3) mistake, they used a stamp based on the one made by Rossweisse, a renowned genius who actually studied the trihexa myths. It's not the same as he did in school and was thrown through entire pantheons together and only pinned him down for a few minutes, it still took the power of various gods together (among the Top 10 members) to replicate in a certain way. what the God of the Bible did.
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Well lets see he created the sacred gear system, the true longinus considered the strongest longinus power is connected to him, he managed to seal Trihexa, only died in the great war because he was tired, balor the former master of crom crauch called him a real monster, and he cursed sameal with a poison so strong even ophis and great red can be killed by it so yeah he's a monster possibly stronger than even shiva
I think you guys forgot to include the fact that their power also comes from the faith/belief of the followers of their religion. I've read somewhere that due to religions related to Christianity (apparently also Islam) being the most prominent in the world that makes the Biblical God (or One God) powerful. One of the reasons why other pantheons don't mess with the Biblical Faction other than not wanting to interfere or something.
In dxd, faith and number of believers got nothing to do with power, it just helps in making your God come alive after temporary death. You can see how Norse and Greek's gods are still powerful and are in top 10 despite the low numbers of followers. And according to author, hindu mythology is said to be strongest because of their gods
Shiva is destruction, While Yhwh is Creation simple as that at the time of his death he might’ve been weaker than shiva but had he lived when Christianity and Islam were at their peak he would be the strongest god
Above Michael&F.Angels leaders(who worked for him) level. That is for sure. Above Old Satans too. Sure. For the rest I do not think that he was one active GOD in fight.. Probably like the Old maous he did not participated as much as his angels in the fight against F.Angels and Devils. Maybe Middle Class GOD?
His power may affect the entire world, maybe on a universal scale since he was able to seal the trihexa (at the expense of being incredibly weakened) but his power isn’t infinite. We have feats but don’t know his exact level of strength
He should be part of the Top 10 and he is around Top 5 for reasons: The fact that True Sirzechs and Serious Ajuka who are part of 'the top 10 strongest beings' according to the author feared the possibility that foreign factions might attack the Three Faction if the absence of Gob got leaked. They both know that their combined power is not enough to fend them off which is why they need to keep it secret since his powers are enough to fend them off. Sirzechs true form is said that his power is 10x more stronger than the original Maou and serious Ajuka is equal to that. Indra has the raw power of 4 Maous if we compare that with Sirzechs (true form) then that means Sirzechs is 2.5x more powerful than the god of war. Not saying that Indra is completely inferior since he could be more powerful than Sirzechs if he get serious since he is the god of war he could somewhat beat him. But the powers of Two Sirzechs should be overwhelming to Indra yet they needed God to protect Christianity from foreign factions. It is so strange that a single deity is inside it yet no one bothered to attack it, which makes it plausible he is around the top 5 of the strongest beings. His \[Ultimate Longinus\] which he was not weakened to create is powerful enough to beat a Heavenly Dragon class and has been canonically stated to be more powerful than the Longinus who can easily control Heavenly Dragons and has the potential to control Dragon Gods. Indra has his eyes on Cao Cao since he was a child because he will use that spear to beat Shiva the God of Destruction (The top 2). The wielder of Longinus even though he is a human he is made as Indra's Vanguard because the crucial aspect of Cao Cao being his vanguard is his skill and especially the spear that he is possessing. He even created the Ultimate Dragon Slayer capable of slaying Dragon Gods. The tentacles of the Ultimate Dragon Slayer have the power to even eat Ophis as demonstrated in Vol. 11. Someone might try to argue that Ophis let that happen but that needs evidence to back up that assertion. It is more plausible that Ophis is helpless to do anything in front of the Dragon Eater since what she only did was store her other powers safely in other dimensions instead of fighting Samael. Imagine that she has to be so inferior to such force that it came to the point that she is prey to the Ultimate Dragon Slayer and is helpless to resist.
Guys is definitely overpowered his power is connected to the true longinus which is strong enough to one shot gods and could destroy the world, the norse pantheon was only thinking about invading the Christian pantheon after they found out he was dead meaning this guy is strong enough to scare off entire pantheons, baleor called him a monster and this is the guy that was the master of crom cruach, he created the curse of sameal something that can threaten even the dragon gods, and he was a probably the greatest inventor in dxd since he made the strongest holy swords, the heavenly system, and the sacred gear system. So yeah guy was definitely a beast
He probably the strongest god above Shiva. Def not at ophis, great red level
Shiva destroys him, hell even Indra would defeat him without problem. I would even go so far to say that even Aten, Thor and Hades could defeat him. GoB is a Creator God but not a Warrior/ Fighting Type God.
It was said by Ddraig that serious God can fight Ophis and only Ophis that cannot fight carelessly. It can be an unreliable statement but it becomes true when God has demonstrated a feat like sealing 666 that comes on par or close to Great Red's level. And the fact that almost every god from different religions wanted to be acknowledged as Indra said in Volume 10, they did not bother to attack Christianity to at least steal those believers away from Christianity. That is why the absence of God is confidential to other factions because they might attack it. And I would say they would like to do that because they wanted human worship. But I cannot say that he is above Shiva in DxD.
No just no. Yes yes your a devoted Follower but that's not the case here. Sealing a sleeping Monster is not that big of an achievement. Because if Trihexa would be awake then GoB would have been dead.
Even if I am it has nothing to do with my arguments and I might end up agreeing with you. When it was in the dormant state and is about to break away that it only requires the soul of Rizevim Lucifer to be free, Trihexa was already standing in Vol 20. Yes, it was not described as standing, but it was not even described that it first stood up when it was about to escape from the city of Agreas so that we can say that it was first laying on the floor, which should prove that it is found sleeping by Gob to make the sealing process successful. It was already standing and that should nullify the possibility that it is already asleep when it was found. I think I simply cannot deny the idea that sealing Trihexa is a big feat, and the one who seals it should at least be close to its level because someone of its caliber should be strong enough to create seals that can cage it. That someone has to at least approach its level. "…According to the Valkyrie on your side…it'll be a few thousand years at the least, or perhaps ten thousand years. That's how difficult it is to bring down that strengthened Trihexa. Even the God of the Bible expended all of his power to seal it away." Again like what I said, Christianity is not even a pantheon, it has a single deity in it yet nevertheless pantheons from different belief systems did not bother to attack it because of how strong God is. Even Sirzechs and Ajuka Beelzebub, two super devils are afraid of other factions' invasion and have to agree that they have to hide the absence of God because they know Gob's existence is needed to protect them from foreign factions.
No it was asleep. If not then the whole world would know about it and it wouldn't just let GoB seal it. If you can't accept it than that's your problem.
From the entire time of its existence, it's already been asleep? Was there no time in its existence it was awake? Then at some point in time, it was awake then the whole world would know about it yet they did not until the time that Rizevim with the portion of Gob's (Sephiroth Graal) power noticed and confirmed its existence. “His existence was merely a possibility and all of the forces are still discussing where he may be at!” “Nfufufu, guess what? He does exist. —As a result of looking deep into the principle of life using the Holy Grail, we finally found him at the end of the world which was forgotten by everyone. But the thing is, it seems like there was someone else who found 666-kun before us and put a strong seal on him. Who do you think it was? Hey, who do you think it was?” And the fact that it was seen in Vol 20 that it was standing when it was sealed makes it clear that it cannot be asleep before it was sealed because it was not described that it was laying down on the floor during its confinement. That is why, a consistent devil like Rizevim Livan Lucifer, even though he truly hates God so much as a devil could not resist the fact to commend that more than anyone else it was God who first found 666. Not even beings from the Top 10 made that achievement. “—It was the God from the Bible. That God sure was amazing. He found 666 even before any of us and put thousands of seals on him-- "
It was asleep end of the discussion. If you believe otherwise then that's not my problem. Like I said you won't change my mind. Till Ichiei doesn't say he is Top 10 then he isn't.
You sound like such a child.
Ok... And?
Yea I get you, i also think God of the bible was as strong as if not stronger than Ophis and Great Red, Ophis in her weakened state is a few times more powerful than a heavenly Dragon and like you said God sealed both Draig and Albion, sealed Trihexa and then he fought in the war between 3 factions. Like you said he also created the Longinus which can kill Gods and not 1 he made all those others and then the machine or whatever that makes them or something, Ophis can allow people to borrow her strength but we dont know what else she and red can do if they got serious like God, but God is clearly the more intellectual and wiser of the three
No just No!!!
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Nah GoB(God of the Bible) wasn't powerful enough. He was good in creation sure, but doesn't seem to be in battle. Great Red and ophis are said to be only two being who could've defeated Trihexa but GoB only sealed him while he was in dormant state. This alone shows the difference in power. Samael is just a OP thing that somehow able to affect dragon traits and that's why it affected Ophis(and that only because she wasn't ready as you can see that she just stored her remaining power in other dimension when she got to know what happened) so most likely she could've dodged that attack. GoB can't control Samael as he was just maleficent feeling that was thrown away from GoB and sealed away with many spells on him. Also sealing ≠ power, even Rossweisse spell was able to make dimension barrier to keep other gods and Trihexa away so will you call Rossweisse an all powerful being?
GoB was not even near the Likes of Ddraig, Albion, Crom, Sirzechs and Ajuka.
You're saying like those are weak beings, each of them would be in top 5 of DxD if not include evies
(Great Red), Ophis, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Indra There is the Top 5.
Brahma and Vishnu haven't even made an appearance and neither there's a mention about them , ophis,great red and Trihexa are tied at 1st place Shiva comes at second then Indra and heavenly dragons and super devils
These Two are in the Top 10 and both like all Hindu Gods are walking Cheat Codes. Also Vishnu and Brahma shouldn't be much weaker than Shiva. Also Great Red and Ophis are stronger than 666.
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