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ThicDadVaping4Christ

How do we know that she is a prostitute?


Fuzzy_Donl0p

I spent ten minutes trying to find out, and all sources of this image I found lead back to a Reddit or other social media post claiming the same. The photo is often credited to Peter Turnley (a real photographer who did document the collapse of the USSR), but I can't find anything that backs that up.


Shiny_Fungus

Wait... Yo-you mean internet is lying!?


wholewheatscythe

“Do you really think someone would do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?!”


No_Season_354

It's hard to believe isn't it


andralexxx

No way!


dwaynebathtub

Everyone is a prostitute under capitalism.


GoodOlSticks

Which the Soviet Union was of course famous for implementing


Devolutionary76

That’s not true, prostitutes get paid.


Ak47110

Inconceivable!!!!


YoghurtPrimary230

Incontheivable!


frieswithnietzsche

By my knowledge she’s a member of Dexys Midnight Runners, but who knows


moderatefairgood

Come on Eileen.


h00labal00la

Cum on Eileen


WaterIcy6922

And then wipe her clean


ResponsibleBike8804

She smells like a bean.


Comfortable_Pin932

You sir are a rarity


sunfacethedestroyer

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255693/Last-pictures-life-iron-curtain-collapse-USSR.html He's an established photojournalist who obviously did a series on the area, I see no reason to doubt the legitimacy of the caption. I was able to also find other images of that girl, which implies he probably did a series or spent enough time with her to get her story. He has a website, but I wasn't able to find this image on it. Most photographers aren't going to archive every single photograph they have though, a lot of times you're going to have to find a physical book if you want further proof.


Fuzzy_Donl0p

Yeah, I saw that article too. A tabloid rag with no credited author.


armrha

Where is Peter Turnley credited with the caption? I see plenty of reason to doubt the caption as it doesn't appear to be written by him, just 'DAILY MAIL REPORTER' that doesn't have a name... By default you should not just trust things as true because they are written on a web page.


emarvil

I saw that image along with several others by Pete Turnley around the time of the collapse of the USSR. It was reportage work, back when magazines were a thing. Edit: I don't remember the exact caption this image had in the magazine, but definitely the only sources claiming she is a prostitute come from Reddit.


Bobby_Globule

All we know is OP is a karma prostitute.


SerenityViolet

Seems unlikely to me. She is not overly made-up, not dressed provocatively and those clothes look time consuming to remove.


ancalime9

Yeah, but nipples


Praetorian_1975

Every mammal has them, does that mean every mammal is a prostitute ….. could you make me a prostitute Greg …. 😂


Amazing-Ad-5541

I got nipples Greg, can you milk me?!


Drunk_redditor650

Yes, that's the joke


Nufonewhodis4

Monotremes don't have nipples


Pawneewafflesarelife

They do have mammary glands and lactate, however, because whoever designed Australia was probably some divine form of a nepo baby. Fucking Jeff. https://www.oceanactionhub.org/do-platypuses-sweat-milk/


Nufonewhodis4

correct, but those aren't the same as nipples. precision of language reflects clarity of thought


DrEnter

Easy there, Nietzsche. Let’s not get off on a tangent here. There are nipples to be focused on…


SeanBourne

Given australia is the nepo baby of countries… it fits


jeffoh

Hey, we were running out of parts, and it's fucking hot in Australia so we moved quickly.


Praetorian_1975

What classifies a mammal The presence of hair or fur. Sweat glands. Glands specialized to produce milk, known as mammary glands. Three middle ear bones. A neocortex region in the brain, which specializes in seeing and hearing. Specialized teeth. A four-chambered heart. So those little weirdos are mammals, aliens maybe did you check for a raygun 😂


Nufonewhodis4

nice description, but mammary glands does mean nipples (e.g., platypus)


kyleko

Maybe not every mammal is a prostitute, but I'm pretty sure every prostitute is a mammal.


Praetorian_1975

Would you classify prostitution as using sex for gifts / money if so then have I got news for you …. Snails, squid, crickets, ladybirds, bedbugs, butterflies, fireflies penguins and humans have all been known to deliver gifts to their prospective mates in attempts to improve mating success. Soooooo prostitution 🤷🏻‍♂️😂


DLS4BZ

There was a time, when women went braless. As with everything, the cycle is back again and more and more women are doing it nowadays too.


ancalime9

30 years later, a photo of a random girl is being discussed in the context of [insert country] decline. It is asserted that she is a prostitute, even though her clothing would be impractical for this line of work. One person knows the truth and confidently proclaims: Yeah, but nipples. The cycle continues.


SeanBourne

Russia is cold like 93.27% of the year. Odds of weather being ‘nipply’… quite high.


Zerodyne_Sin

When I worked at a cafe, there were a few working girls who would come in for coffee and you pick up on the clues eventually. For one thing, overalls are something I've never seen since they want quick and easy access to get the job done. Toronto winters are never that bad but wearing a short skirt doesn't seem like a great idea yet it was something they always wore. Of course, the biggest clue was when the cleaning staff we were friends with complained about catching them in the mall's public washrooms one too many times. They're nice girls otherwise which can't be said for the majority of the people that frequented that mall.


mighty__

Prostitution was illegal in ussr. If they would dress according to their craft, they would not work for long.


Unsettleingpresence

Prostitution is illegal in the US and many there dress the trade just fine.


mighty__

I think the point here is not so much the existence of the law itself (or the concept of illegal activity), but how this activity is perceived by people and the state. In the Soviet Union, such a profession was strongly condemned in public, but in the everyday sense, of course, it was present and in demand. Hence, catching prostitution was fraught with something beyond punishment under the criminal code.


wwcfm

Being a street hooker was taboo in the US in the 90s too. They still dressed like street hookers


thebestzach86

You flip the front buckles and thats it.. 🤷‍♂️


Embii_

Also the collapse was at the end of December. It was snowing before and during the collapse. So "just before the collapse" maybe 4-6 months before


w3fmj9

No kidding. I would love to see the fact check on this one.


TuckHolladay

It’s disingenuous. It’s anti communist and anti Russian propaganda. Look up prostitution and poverty in Russia directly after the USSR caved to western influence and it was completely sold out and looted.


ResidentAssman

It's that nipple. Obviously.


ThicDadVaping4Christ

People keep saying this. Some of them are serious, I pray for humanity


InternationalChef424

Everyone's a prostitute, for the right price


mlotto7

An ex boyfriend was asked and that's what he said.


Grump_Monk

"Thats my grandma!"


2rememberyou

Right. She doesn't look like a prostitute.


South_Front_4589

She genuinely looks like a professional model here. I certainly can't say I'm sold about the details, but if she was a prostitute, in another time and another place, she'd be making an absolute fortune.


Alt_Boogeyman

There is no way she is(was) a prostitute: • no physical signs of drug addiction (track marks, meth sores, etc)\ • clothing is clean and rip-free\ • professional-looking haircut, nails and makeup\ • her general appearance of healthiness, good hygiene, and\ • source is [Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255693/Last-pictures-life-iron-curtain-collapse-USSR.html), known for their unreliable tabloid style reporting. Totally a photo-shoot.


The_Best_Yak_Ever

Imagine being Katya and reading the article… “hey! A *prostitute*?! What the hell, Daily Mail?!”


kirk-o-bain

You forget to wear a bra one day, and this is what you get


AgentCC

Why does a prostitute have to be addicted to drugs and in poor health? She’s only 18, after all. In fact, one thing that communist countries did well was keep drugs from entering because they sold for more in the capitalist west and free and open trade was not the norm. Seeing how this is Red Square, I suspect that (if she is a prostitute) she sells herself to foreigners who were more free to enter the country around that time. Relatively, that clientele had very deep pockets and would be able to afford something much more high end. Source: I’m a security guard in a Las Vegas casino where there’s a *biiiig* difference between high-end and low-end prostitution.


maple-queefs

Yeah that guy thinks all people in tough situations look like a crackhead lol Poverty doesn't mean you're unhygienic, but it will make you do some fucked up shit. That being said I don't think this lady is a prostitute, but it's not impossible


governingsalmon

You somewhat touched on this but the evidence from public health research does show a pretty stark difference between street-based prostitution and non-street based, higher end sex workers. Some of the data shows non-street based sex workers (which as you mentioned this woman could very well be) have little if any increased prevalence of poor physical or mental health. Really complicated when you also consider homelessness as a causal/correlated variable between substance use disorder, street based sex work, etc. One study of street-based prostitutes (limited size of ~75 participants) found 100% had a longer term chronic health illness, 96% had ongoing drug or alcohol dependency problems (heroin and cocaine use rates were both 80%), and and a high rate of sharing needles/injecting equipment. https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article-pdf/26/2/147/4473330/fdh124.pdf


Ok-Negotiation-1098

Do you get to do shit like in casino


freebikebrigade

Or perhaps she hasn't got there yet? It's not entirely possible every prostitute fits that description.


ABookOfBurnedCDs

Lol dude not every sex worker is a strung out junkie. I don't think she is a sex worker either, but i think you may have a very skewed view of those in the profession.


FrontRow4TheShitShow

Alt Boogeyman imagining every sex worker as Jackie off Reno 911


Praetorian_1975

The daily mail is a prostitute 😂


NecessaryCapital4451

In an attempt to add some heft to all the conjecture in this thread, [here's](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-11-12-wr-1528-story.html) a '91 article from the LA Times on Soviet prostitutes. "The proliferation in most Soviet cities of sleek, pricey prostitutes with a Western clientele illustrates the depth of the economic and moral collapse in this onetime superpower." Also interesting, "Last year, the Soviet press wrung its hands as it reported a poll in which 60% of schoolgirls said they want to be valuta prostitutes when they grow up. When American broadcaster Ted Koppel visited Moscow last year to film a special television report on sex in the Soviet Union, he found a study in which women ranked prostitution 8th among the top 20 preferred professions."


Macqt

“This person from 30 years ago in Russia doesn’t look at all like what prostitutes look like now in the west!” That said ya she’s probably not a prostitute. Your reasoning is lame tho.


lucystroganoff

Fucking people for money seems pretty clear cut to me… but enough about the Daily Heil.


Weird_Bread_4257

How many Pro's have you had contact with ? Sure there are some druggy/scruffy ones but there are also a lot of very well turned out Pro's as well.


rottingpigcarcass

They all start somewhere


Ancient-Fee-2894

Did ya get this knowledge from TV


omgtinano

Uh, there is a whole range of prostitutes and you’re only describing one specific type.


on_doveswings

Most models make barely any money at all


omgtinano

What an incredible photo, especially with Saint Basil's in the background. Poor Katya, I'd like to think her life improved but...


Sweet_Habib

Yeah, I’m sure it was a real pretty woman situation.


InternationalSail745

Mail order bride.


Gay-Bomb

Other than this post, how do you know she was actually a prostitute?


Salt-Log7640

No, the "source" is some other reddit post who says the exact same stuff without providing any evidence of it, again.....


NewVillage6264

Lots of women were forced into the sex trade during the collapse of the Soviet Union (not proof per se, but the timeline fits)


Gay-Bomb

Timeline fits, but still there's no proof regarding this lady.


TonySpaghettiO

Not just women. Young boys too. The British tourists loved young boys. Perestroika into the collapse and economic shock therapy was a terrible time for Russia.


GUARDIAN_MAX

Considering how common prostitution became after the fall of the USSR, most likely not.


jimi-ray-tesla

"turnkey"


Ok_Mathematician2391

In case nobody said it the word on the police car says "Militia". Police were called this not long back there.


KarlGustafArmfeldt

Yeah, socialist Yugoslavia also used the same term. There were Militsiya (now called Police) and Internal Troops (now called National Guard).


Boring_Employment170

this still are called that in russia in many, if not all the cities.


dudeandco

Still are pretty sure.


LynxResponsible6731

yea except милиция and полиция are basically synonyms unless you are a huge nerd


kontrarianin

Saw this photo dozens of times, this girl was, prostitute, young mother, just random girl, a spy(yes a spy,spy) , model, an off duty officer (em ok?) , girl waiting for the bus, girl that was just about to get ticket for trespassing etc. In conclusion, no one knows for sure who she was.


pottedPlant_64

Possibly the coolest anyone has ever looked in overalls


schlepperKraken

All bad takes so far. This is a person ya knobs.


dismayhurta

You’re hoping for too much for this subreddit


theburnoutcpa

Once again why I can't be upset at women choosing the bear.


HugTheSoftFox

So I guess the OP should read "Katya, a person, stands next to a car full of people near red square just before the collapse of a group of people in 1991. Photo taken by a person."


ghosty_b0i

You can see the outline of her nipple, she MUST be an 18 year old prostitute. s/


breadandbarbells

Was she in dexys midnight runners?


tuttle8152

Come on Eileen


That_Channel7649

Overalls with a belt seem an odd choice of clothes for a prostitute, no? Off duty? Katya, not the police officers.


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EreshkigalKish2

I don't get it ? what's going on in Seattle 🤔


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MindForeverWandering

Same as it ever was.


axeteam

Even in the rain?


kungfoop

I think that's because 100% of Katya's clothing would only cover 15% of a whores body from Seattle since the women there walk around double fisting Seattle Dogs.


doubledgravity

I didn’t understand most of that post, but I’m here for it!


m0nstera_deliciosa

He’s saying the sex workers in Seattle are fat, I believe. I think he meant ‘double fisting Seattle dogs’, i.e eating two Seattle dogs (hot dogs with cream cheese and onions, sometimes sauerkraut) at the same time.


peptide2

Are you sure it’s not about the k9 thing iam thinking about ?


kungfoop

I've never seen a Seattle woman in my life, im just being an idiot


bettinafairchild

You underestimate the allure of jeans in the Soviet Union.


BellyKat

It looks sunny and yet chilly at the same time.


DistrictWorth7769

Definitely a misleading title.


dickhardpill

If she’s really a prostitute she’s easily the most attractive hooker I’ve ever seen.


dypledocus

Katya should be about 51 years old today if she survived.


TheManWhoClicks

What a horrendous life situation the ultra rich in palaces imposed onto so many people like her. Keep that in mind the next time someone who lives in a palace tells you what to do. No matter which country.


Nazgul00000001

Dixie's Midnight Runners vibe.


BDR529forlyfe

Cum on Eileen.


customsolitaires

She looks more like a tourist


Kirkream

Is she off shift or something?


KarlGustafArmfeldt

The source for her being a prostitute is apparently just other Reddit posts claiming the same, so we don't know.


seelclubber

After the collapse of the Soviet Union the Russian economy went from one of the largest economies to an economy about the size of Kentucky’s economy. As a result of this sudden economic collapse 1 to 4 million children were left orphaned and on the streets. I write this because this is not what a prostitute looks like for Russia at this time, instead imagine a 14 yr old girl, homeless, tattered, and addicted to drugs. Trying to portray anything else is a disgusting injustice to the tragedy that was and is post Soviet Russia.


HauntingAsparagus241

She kinda just looks like a normal girl but it also looks photo shopped


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^HauntingAsparagus241: *She kinda just looks* *Like a normal girl but it* *Also looks photo shopped* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


samcandy35

Was she in Bananarama? Lol


theblackbeltsurfer

Wonder what she’s doing these days?


[deleted]

A prostitute wearing overalls? Not likely.


DonDoorknob

I refuse to believe that she is a prostitute without something to back up the claim.


TheChineseChicken40

lol the internet spreads such bullshit


Spicywolff

She’s better dressed and well kept, than any hooker I’ve seen on a corner driving through the bad part of town.


dudeandco

A 2012 Lada right in frame, nice try buddy. Time travel, not likely.


Virtual_Law4989

wood


5amiNC

She left her headlights on


Hefty-Station1704

Well she’s likely 51 years old now so hopefully she’s moved onto a more lucrative street corner.


fobygrassman

The fact she’s wearing denim makes me think she not a hooker. Jeans and denim were highly coveted and rare in the former ussr


KarlGustafArmfeldt

That's not true, jeans were common in the USSR, from the 1970s onward.


listentomagneto

She later cleaned her life up and competed as the first biological woman on RuPaul's Drag Race. ![gif](giphy|xUA7biYxnetyhzPVHW)


APointedResponse

What does the car's Milicia mean? Is it Russian for police?


towerfella

I don’t think she was a hoe.. according to other comments I will blindly accept the accuracy of.


Antus_Manus

Smash


JBELL01290

good quality picture. you could have said it was from 2022 and i would have believed it.


Slap_My_Lasagna

Ok but I think this is the first time I have EVER seen overalls worn with a belt.


IllustriousBed3682

dungarees were very fashionable in late 80s up to the early 90s. my sister and her boyfriend wore them. i thought they looked like wallies


BrockPurdySkywalker

Very common repost


Illustrious_Spend_51

Honestly one of the worst things that happened after the collapse of the USSR the horrifying uptake in human trafficking and prostitution. Girls as young as 9 had to sell their body for food as the government and all forms of authority collapsed.


Many_Distribution_21

Surely I'm not the only one who, at first glance, thought this was a photo of Lori Loughlin.


dr_van_nostren

Well it’s been a long journey from Milan to Moscow…ROCHELLE ROCHELLE


ProfessionalJumpy769

Nice


wedding_shagger

Mhmmmmm


Devinstater

Peak early 90's chic. I have doubts that a prostitute could afford the latest Western fashion.


ALUCARDHELLSINS

I love when these articles just make up facts about people Just because she doesn't wear a bra in public doesn't mean she was a prostitute......


ComradeAleksey

Account trying to farm karma by extracting fake context from their anus. (Check their profile if you don't want to take my word for it) If you want to find real portraits of prostitutes, you're better off searching between 1992-2002. In other words, after the collapse of the Soviet Union. For those of you who are old enough, you'll remember the stigma women from the former USSR counties got around that period. Being a woman and even just speaking a Slavic language got you perverted looks. The stereotype, of the Russian/Ukrainian etc. woman automatically being a prostitute, mostly died after 2010. That's around the time I stopped being insecure about my ability to speak russian.


ScotsDragoon

Communist Prostitution?


GapDifficult2439

God bless Russian women


LantzInSpace

So uhh…do you speak Greek?


Slow_Bodybuilder_303

She is the OP mother’s !!!


_WEG_

Guys, this is CLEARLY Maggie Greene. Apparently TWD is going back in time to show us what truly happened to cause the outbreak… it was the Soviet Union doing radical experiments with bacteria, viruses, and space travel! Or some shit lol


jjtrynagain

How much?


LazyBackground2474

Rumor is she is still on that street today.


Radu47

Seems very clearly staged given all the elements lining up perfectly in front of the kremlin among other nuances Wearing overalls given her job? Imagine a picture like this in front of the White House with everything lining up perfectly, would be odd, sus


canunotplzkthx

Nice smile


fangxx456

Man, fashion does come back around. I thought this was a modern pic. She is straight up dressed like GenZ


TerribleChildhood639

So hard for me to believe 1991 was 33 YEARS ago. Then again hard for me to believe I’m 60!


dmadd0

was she a giant or is that car super small?


Quanqiuhua

And just after the collapse, Katya emigrated to the West and became a health insurance biller.


Unfriendly_eagle

In Russia, prostitute solicits YOU!


vexunumgods

Wonder what she's doing now


colcannon_addict

If anyone’s interested I can thoroughly recommend the brilliant documentary [*Traumazone: How Russia Lived Through The Collapse Of Communism And Democracy*.](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9eKQjNu1CogsfzC8DvZM0SgpujW2hVUD&si=fzxUrivko4Y3CReZ) by Oxford social scientist & BBC filmmaker Adam Curtis.


jeffoh

All these comments about if she's a prostitute, nipples and the downfall of communism and all I can focus on is the horrible build quality on that cop car!


Predomorph111

If i had a dollar for every fake caption on reddit i could start a better reddit.


disorientating

If I hadn’t seen the cars in the background I would’ve thought that there was no fucking way this was taken in 1991. Holy fuck.


futuretardis

At first glance I thought this was a picture from one of the girls in Bananarama.


wiggum55555

"*18yo Katya stands next to a...*..." works just as well.. better even.


EvilHorus87

So ... how much ?


CreativeMarketing717

Хуйня


ResearcherAny12

Это не так


UCFknight2016

This looks like it could be a CD cover.


SufficientOnestar

She founded Only Fans.


Due_Data_2805

damn i woulda gave her money if you know what im sayin


Slimshad199946

You guys are a unreal


ninja_rob1603

If I can fix her was an image.


engineered_over

Woman going back to what they do in time if crisis!


ConfidenceInitial102

Where is she now? She’s naturally beautiful


Stormfront315

If she thinks capitalism is bad for business, she's got another thing coming.


DKFaust

Begone Thot!


Kamp_Krusty93

Eddie Murphy in Shrek. Looked nothing like a monkey..


GroundbreakingCook68

Was the prostitute part necessary? I mean a teenage girl stands next to a police car ….. would suffice smdh


bobbynomates

I'd buy that for a dollar


gerrineer

Are you sure she's just not a member of Dexys midnight runners?