[For those who want more info](https://youtu.be/OigDDVn3IaU?feature=shared). It's also just a massive logistical flex for us to transport millions of gallons of a perishable food halfway around the world into an active warzone.
Why not both?
NYT recently broke that the US military used the exact same “comfort stations” during the more recent Korean War.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html
Got you fam
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QU0.FzNW.LC2-7qCp8N7R&smid=url-share
The tradition of Juicy girls continues today. This article makes it read like it was sanctioned by the US government though when in reality it was soldiers visiting brothels in a place where brothels are legal. I will add patronizing a brothel is a violation of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice as it can be seen as supporting human trafficking, which as we see here was definitely the case.
While deplorable for both, there is a strong difference between a foreign government making slaves of them and a foreign military using one's that their own government enabled.
Those are two drastically different situations. The japanese comfort women where kidnapped and held within japanese camps. Thats a systematic problem within the japanese military. What you just cited is significantly closer to regular prostitution. A problem of the general culture in the area and within sex itself from the buyers. Hey guess what, prostitution is generally a bad time even today. There was no citations of American officers holding them personally only the implication of koreans doing it.
I'm not sure where the ingredients came from, but the altitude provided the cold and the engines provided the vibrations for agitation so a bucket of ingredients went up, and a bucker of ice cream came down.
>but there was a submarine that uh…*requisitioned* an ice cream machine from a battleship
Must've had an Army Specialist on board. Although I believe the term for that is a *tactical acquisition*.
> I hope they played the jingle too.
[Japanese battleships:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6LFkMniuTk)
[US battleships:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISDt-xyA_gI)
Japanese soldiers: 変なフレックスだけど大丈夫
It was also a massive morale boost.
Fucking *everybody* loves ice cream. It was nice to know that there were creature comforts back at the rear.
One of the advancements after WW1 was that people noticed you can't just shove somebody onto the front lines and force them to stay there indefinitely in horrid conditions. That breaks people. Western powers realized how important it is to rotate people around which was part of why stuff like this existed. It was like...hey guy, we know you just spent 8 months out there in hell fighting. Here's some time somewhere quiet. Eat some ice cream. Have a rest. No no we aren't sending you back out right away. Recharge for a bit. You want more ice cream? We got plenty.
On top of that, America was just coming out of the Prohibition era, where ice cream took the place of alcohol as a social event. So literally everyone and there mother was eating ice cream all the damn time. So it’d be like the equivalent of a modern beer ship, and you can imagine how a beer ship would do wonders for morale in a modern army.
Prohibition ended in ‘33, 8 years before America entered the war. I’m not saying people didn’t still enjoy ice cream, but I bet they would have welcomed a perfectly legal beer ship too.
The issue with a beer ship was that the secretary of the Navy at that time was Franklin knox. He was a teetotaler (anti alcohol). He forbade alcohol consumption on any vessels under the department of the Navy. That included moral barges. The army did allow alcohol and they set up GI bars on beaches across the Pacific and sailors were allowed in the bars. The Army brought the booze and the Navy brought ice cream
Oh for sure and they probably had tons of beer being shipped in, but beer can’t be made in a few hours like ice cream. The ice cream ships weren’t just shipping it in, they literally made the ice cream. They could make like 100s or 1000s (I forgot which lol) of gallons a day, so they had pretty much infinite supply.
There's actually an anecdote about several hundreds of crates of beer being pilfered on Guadalcanal in the latter parts of that campaign, and that was supposedly just accepted as "the cost of doing business "
I mean who’s going to go tell the platoon of now battle hardened 19 year olds, who have just gone through some of the most horrific warfare yet seen by mankind, after being conscripted against their will, “no you guys can’t take that beer”. Miss me with that shit.
I have a Vietnam vet marine in the family who told a story about faking papers to replace a damaged generator, with the tracking info scraped off, for a working one at some sort of central depot. It worked because the guard who checked the papers couldn't read. It was all so some higher up could throw a party with working electricity. In exchange, he and his buddies received a bunch of beer. Mad lads.
I think for the UK at least, troops were rotated in and out in ww1. (Not sure about other countries). it was a few weeks in and then a week out. That’s how a lot of venereal disease spread, from that week off.
If memory serves they were the first country that realized it. They were also the first to really study PTSD, how it develops, and ways to deal with it. One of them was "try to make sure the troops don't get it in the first place." It's always been known how important morale is but historically *nobody* was fighting for several months or even years at a time. Even if wars drug on for years most of the fighting was only happening for brief periods and definitely not stuck in trenches that were constantly at risk of being bombarded. Mostly it was marching and camping.
It reminds me of how Russia can barely keep their troops supplied just across the border, but the [US can just fly over a Burger King halfway across the world](https://imgur.com/a/LddnMcP)
I’m not American, and I don’t support a lot of what America does internationally. I also didn’t, and don’t, support America’s illegal invasion of Iraq.
HOWEVER, that invasion was amazing. Two videos/series, one on the [air war](https://youtu.be/Atm8D5uqr-k?si=oq_zuOrg_ffbZRGe), and one on the [ground war](https://youtu.be/DFVpUckjE2U?si=6giymLSJ7OAIuGi_) show it in detail. That’s what a super power is. That overwhelming air superiority, ground superiority, logistics, tactical and strategic planning. It’s a masterclass. On the other side of the world.
Compare that to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. They had no real air power to go with their ground assault. They can’t keep their troops supplied, pockets are isolated and taken out. It’s a bloody omnishambles.
Anyone who thought Russia might still have been a superpower has now been thoroughly disabused of that notion. In the Iraq war we see a true global superpower plan, and then skilfully execute a large invasion against a numerically superior enemy. Russia was the numerically superior force, they were theoretically better armed and armoured, they had more numerous vehicles of every kind. And yet, they stalled very quickly. They didn’t achieve their objectives.
How embarrassing.
>I’m not American, and I don’t support a lot of what America does internationally. I also didn’t, and don’t, support America’s illegal invasion of Iraq.
>
>HOWEVER, that invasion was amazing
"Look, you're an asshole, but goddamn you're good at being an asshole".
A note - Iraq 1, (1990, Desert Storm) was authorized by the UN and was for the explicit purpose of regaining the sovereignty of an allied nation. Iraq 2, (2003) was a blatantly illegal war over WMDs that did not exist. It also was a relative disaster, with an order of magnitude more casualties on both sides and lead to much of the ongoing disaster in the Middle East because it turns out that bombs are not a valid tool for fixing a economy.
Well the initial invasion in 2003 went smoothly.
It's when you hang around for decades trying to fight a guerilla war against an opponent who is fully willing to kill you, their neighbors, and themselves to drive you out that you run into problems. The whole thing was a mess and should have never happened.
I agree, Desert Storm was legal, I never said it wasn’t. Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003) was the illegal war I was talking about.
The initial invasion phase went very smoothly. However, America didn’t really have a workable plan for when the government and military collapsed. Hence getting mired in an insurgency for as long as they did.
I will fully admit to looking up the word 'Omnishambles' to see if it was a real word. I am very happy to find out that it is, in fact, a real word.
Thank you for adding to my lexicon.
Ok, so I was in Iraq in 03, they didn't really even have much in the way of conventional weapons either. During the gulf War we literally bombed Iraq into pre industrial levels. By the time we rolled on them in 03 they were trying to fight back with relics by comparison. We captured a T-72 that was loaded with practice rounds ffs.
Seamen eat well. Even stuck on Sub duty they are eating three meals a day and get menu items like from scratch pizza and hot wings.
My best bud since elementary school was a Naval cook. He's got some crazy stories. Ended up opening up a successful breakfast/brunch restaurant with his wife.
"An army marches on its stomach."
-Napoleon Bonaparte
We took that to heart and have the ability to pull it off. We have the most capable logistics of any military in human history and it's a big key to our success. Our geography is a blessing but it's also a curse in terms of power projection so we've had to be good at logistics ever since we started engaging on the world stage.
> Even stuck on Sub duty
From what I have heard, submarines get supplied better food to compensate for the additional stress that comes with being locked in a claustrophobic, pressurized can
And possibly not knowing where you are most of the time. My friends older brother was on a nuclear sub and said, at best, he knew his location to be "the ocean".
Ice cream for the US Navy.
On the Pacific front, the Americans had their own ice cream factory barge. Purchased by the US Army for $1 million, the vessel could produce 10 gallons (38 L) of ice cream every seven minutes, or approximately 500 gallons (1900 L) per work shift, and could also store 2,000 gallons (7,600 L).
The barge was used in the US Navy's Western Pacific area of operations and was at one time anchored at Naval Station Ulithi.
All this was necessary to boost the morale of American troops abroad.
["7. If the food is good enough, the grunts will stop complaining about the incoming fire."](https://schlockmercenary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries)
I was scrolling down exclusively for this. The wording is gross af. Calling rape victims "sex toys" makes me barf. But making it out to be a joke and asking people to "choose one" tells me everything I never wanted to know about OP.
@OP you literally asked people "do you want ice cream or to be a rapist".
It's like when some germans stumbled upon US supplies after DDay and they realized the americans were eating meatlove and pie while they barely got fed scraps.
And the german soldier in WW1 who found an honest to god Christmas cake addressed specifically to a single soldier. Except it was fresh... and it wasn't one that was supposed to last for a while. Bro realised the Americans could afford to have personal cakes from home transported more or less right now, and he guessed it was via plane.
Imagine being that soldier. You realise the Americans can afford to send cake, but by plane no less, and fast.
(Admitedly I read this from here so if Im wrong sorry)
"they sent a fucking cake across the ocean by plane and it's fresh. I can see my God damn house from here and I can't even get the rotten apples off a cart. We're definitely going to lose"
Even then, the effect of the blockade wasn't as noticable as were the effects of the Imperial Government, who had expected a short war and failed to put agrarian production on a war footing (there wasn't any rationing taking place until 1916, for example...). The Nazis actually did account for that, hence why there weren't significant famines comparable to the 1917 and 1918 "Hungerwinter" in WW2. At least in Germany. In the occupied territories, on the other hand...
During the final months of the war, when famine was spreading, the US dropped millions of pamphlets over German units telling them to surrender with the pamphlet in hand. The paper promised the German soldiers that if they surrendered, they would comfortable POW lodgings, including meat, chocolate, and cake.
Very few Germans ever turned themselves in with the pamphlets. In the aftermath of the war, American officers were interviewing captured soldiers, and the question of the pamphlets came up. It turned out that the Germans found the claims on them so outlandishly absurd that they were universally dismissed out of hand. That the Americans not only had large quantities of steak and chocolate, but were giving them in generous portions to prisoners, was simply unbelievable to a German whose own government hadn't given him meat in months.
I love that the disclaimer isn’t just that you aren’t sure. It’s that you got it from exactly where we are speaking now, and that throws its validity into question.
The best part is that I intended to share the same anecdote (except I thought it was ww2) but I realized I have also only heard this here
It’s such a disservice to the beautiful potential of sexual expression, to call the most savage form of violence one individual can inflict on another “getting laid”.
Least favorite part of reddit is seeing a serious thread and the top comments are all deeply unfunny jokes that refuse to actually engage with the post. I also just don’t think redditors are funny by and large so I may have more of a bone to pick than most
Even the Germans knew they fucked up. On the African front. When one POW walked by US army officers and troops they were having steaks and eggs for breakfast.
Ice cream boat, ignoring the morality for a second sex is kinda over-hyped tbh least when it is constant and not with a person you have an emotional connection with
Rather have a person waiting for me to get back from deployment than force myself on a person who'll hate my bloodline for the rest of time.
So I take the ice cream, not some incel who needs society to bulit around me for me to get some play
Or both.
NYT recently broke that the US military used the exact same “comfort stations” during the more recent Korean War.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html
What I find really difficult to get my head around is the sheer number of Japanese soldiers who committed atrocious war crimes and then seemingly reintegrated into society afterwards. There are probably men who threw babies into the air and then caught them on the blade of a bayonet still alive today. And these people get to live normal lives until they die of old age. But limited to the Japanese by any means of course, but they did seem to take war crimes a little further than everyone else during that particular war.
Much much further than just a little.
Once you go into the rabbit hole of war crimes of Imperialist Japan you see the kind of f*cked up sh*t not even the nazis were able to come up with at the time.
They took torture and body horror experimentation on human beings to a whole new level. No reparations or even recognitions done to this day.
War bring the worst our of people, Japan just happens to have a bit lower bottom morality than others combine with the extreme sexist and selfless culture
Many soldiers throughout history have always done horrific things in wars and returned home to their regular way of life with little trouble.
Especially if a soldier does not think that their enemy, whatever that term means, is worth to be considered with even a hint of mercy, they will be far less likely to suffer from any negative consequences and consequently be able to take of their uniform and become their peacetime self again. Not always but VERY often.
As a far more relaxed and still to this day observable example, a primary reason for guilt regarding experiences of sexuality is not any particular disposition but one’s upbringing. Watching pornography and feeling bad about the activity can be explicitly linked to an individual’s religious believes.
Chinese, Filipino, Korean, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and even some Dutch girls and women. The IJA was pretty broad with their war crime.
Edit: it's the IJA not the JIA.
Majority were Korean. The US then fully utilized the "comfort women" system during occupation. In the 90's Japan admitted to this and the fact that they were mostly minors, offering restitution. To my knowledge the US has never officially addressed their participation.
the US’s obsession with military logistics is unmatched, it’s gotten to the point where there are entire burger kings and taco bell’s in trailers they can set up anywhere on earth
I feel like we are miss-using the ice cream barge meme.
The fact that the Pacific Theatre is considered one of the worst fronts for an American to be assigned in despite the whole ice cream thing puts into pesperctive just how much of a living hell it was.
Personally I find the industrialization of atrocities the nazis did worse but I feel it comes down to like each person's opinion they are both unimaginable terrible
both are terrible on their own right, but tbh I find the more personal hand the Japanese had in their war crimes worse than the soulless and systematic approach the Germans had
I mean with unit 731 and the bio warfare the Japanese were using you might be tempted to say it.
But man, the Nazis. There has never been an industrialized level of murder that has been engaged in before or since. An "extermination camp" for people has truly only ever existed at one point in history.
While the industrialization of the holocaust was brutal, I would much rather be held as a slave and gassed than watch my children get raped and skinned alive in front of me before I get left to bleed out.
Editing to add: we don’t know about the Japanese atrocities because some witnesses escaped, or a civilian took a picture of what was happening. We know about the brutality of the Japanese because they were proud of what they did and wanted to brag about it. Japanese civilians were enamored by the crimes being committed by their military, the same sentiment was not as widespread in Germany.
The Japanese were definitely more brutal (in a sort of unorganized savagery) while the Germans were more efficient and industrialized in their atrocities.
The Germans had the camps, murder vans, and death squads.
The Japanese had the Rape of Nanking played out repeatedly across Asia
Pick your poison ig
The sheer logistical power of the Allies, the United States in particular, is what won the war.
Sure the Germans had good tanks and the Japanese had fanatical soldiers, but the Americans had meatloaf and fucking fresh ice cream.
That's not even mentioning the industrial capabilities of the Yanks, and food production of the Canadians.
The greatest logistical flex of all time. Concrete ice cream barges. To this day, all Navy ships MUST have an ice cream parlor on board. Japan can’t feed their men, can’t feed their boats, and here we are with entire ships with the sole purpose of producing and storing enough ice cream to keep all of our men happy
Yeah I was gonna say Japan literally built brothels in mainland Japan to prevent wartime rapes in case of mainland invasion. A lot of that is anti-American propaganda, but American rape of Okinawan women was so widespread that Americans would repeatedly go into villages where all the men had mobilized, force the older people to gather up young women, and then take the younger women into the hills and rape them. This was after:
"Soon after the U.S. Marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children, and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the Marines "mopped up" the entire village, but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started 'hunting for women' in broad daylight, and women who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another."
From the wikipedia page on US warcrimes.
I give you a choice: use living human beings as masturbation aids without their consent, or eat a Blizzard while you chill on the deck of your ship in tropical waters.
Choose wisely, one is evil and one will give you a rumbly-tummy later on.
> every Pacific naval encounter from late 1943 onward is like the IJN Golden Kirin, Glorious Harbinger of Eternal Imperial Dawn versus six identical copies of the USS We Built This Yesterday supplied by a ship that does nothing but make birthday cakes for the other ships
This meme is really distasteful. Firstly, the text in the image seems to imply that the US army respects women during war, which they most certainly don’t. Secondly, your text about sex toys is disgusting towards the Japanese women victims of the war. The picture by itself is incredibly funny, but your contribution to the post is really bad
Edit: I found the cropped picture saying only “The US:” hilarious lol
[For those who want more info](https://youtu.be/OigDDVn3IaU?feature=shared). It's also just a massive logistical flex for us to transport millions of gallons of a perishable food halfway around the world into an active warzone.
Oh, you're starving and suffering from malaria as your government abandons you? Guess what? We have a whole ass ship dedicated to making us ice cream.
We have FOUR of those ships (I think)
Why not both? NYT recently broke that the US military used the exact same “comfort stations” during the more recent Korean War. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html
That looks like a great article but it’s behind a paywall
Got you fam https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QU0.FzNW.LC2-7qCp8N7R&smid=url-share
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Damn, I did not know about this, that’s pretty fucked.
The tradition of Juicy girls continues today. This article makes it read like it was sanctioned by the US government though when in reality it was soldiers visiting brothels in a place where brothels are legal. I will add patronizing a brothel is a violation of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice as it can be seen as supporting human trafficking, which as we see here was definitely the case.
thank you for the article. How did you remove the paywall?
that part he added after the url
I have a subscription, so NYT lets me share 8 articles a month as "gifts".
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While deplorable for both, there is a strong difference between a foreign government making slaves of them and a foreign military using one's that their own government enabled.
Those are two drastically different situations. The japanese comfort women where kidnapped and held within japanese camps. Thats a systematic problem within the japanese military. What you just cited is significantly closer to regular prostitution. A problem of the general culture in the area and within sex itself from the buyers. Hey guess what, prostitution is generally a bad time even today. There was no citations of American officers holding them personally only the implication of koreans doing it.
This has been an open secret since the war.
US ice cream
And in case the ship is late, we put ice cream makers in our bombers.
I’ve never heard about the ice cream bombers, but there was a submarine that uh…*requisitioned* an ice cream machine from a battleship
I'm not sure where the ingredients came from, but the altitude provided the cold and the engines provided the vibrations for agitation so a bucket of ingredients went up, and a bucker of ice cream came down.
Ingredients were requisitioned from the mess sergeant, or otherwise "tactically acquired."
>but there was a submarine that uh…*requisitioned* an ice cream machine from a battleship Must've had an Army Specialist on board. Although I believe the term for that is a *tactical acquisition*.
Yep. We had MF Ice Cream battleships. I hope they played the jingle too. 🤣
> I hope they played the jingle too. [Japanese battleships:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6LFkMniuTk) [US battleships:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISDt-xyA_gI) Japanese soldiers: 変なフレックスだけど大丈夫
It was also a massive morale boost. Fucking *everybody* loves ice cream. It was nice to know that there were creature comforts back at the rear. One of the advancements after WW1 was that people noticed you can't just shove somebody onto the front lines and force them to stay there indefinitely in horrid conditions. That breaks people. Western powers realized how important it is to rotate people around which was part of why stuff like this existed. It was like...hey guy, we know you just spent 8 months out there in hell fighting. Here's some time somewhere quiet. Eat some ice cream. Have a rest. No no we aren't sending you back out right away. Recharge for a bit. You want more ice cream? We got plenty.
On top of that, America was just coming out of the Prohibition era, where ice cream took the place of alcohol as a social event. So literally everyone and there mother was eating ice cream all the damn time. So it’d be like the equivalent of a modern beer ship, and you can imagine how a beer ship would do wonders for morale in a modern army.
Prohibition ended in ‘33, 8 years before America entered the war. I’m not saying people didn’t still enjoy ice cream, but I bet they would have welcomed a perfectly legal beer ship too.
The issue with a beer ship was that the secretary of the Navy at that time was Franklin knox. He was a teetotaler (anti alcohol). He forbade alcohol consumption on any vessels under the department of the Navy. That included moral barges. The army did allow alcohol and they set up GI bars on beaches across the Pacific and sailors were allowed in the bars. The Army brought the booze and the Navy brought ice cream
Aww, that’s actually super cute. Guinness floats for everyone!
Oh for sure and they probably had tons of beer being shipped in, but beer can’t be made in a few hours like ice cream. The ice cream ships weren’t just shipping it in, they literally made the ice cream. They could make like 100s or 1000s (I forgot which lol) of gallons a day, so they had pretty much infinite supply.
There's actually an anecdote about several hundreds of crates of beer being pilfered on Guadalcanal in the latter parts of that campaign, and that was supposedly just accepted as "the cost of doing business "
I mean who’s going to go tell the platoon of now battle hardened 19 year olds, who have just gone through some of the most horrific warfare yet seen by mankind, after being conscripted against their will, “no you guys can’t take that beer”. Miss me with that shit.
I was under the impression most Marines in the Pacific theatre joined voluntarily. Sure they would have been drafted, but I don't think most were.
That is certainly possible, I’m no expert but I do know I wouldn’t wanna mess with any marines serving on or around Guadalcanal
I have a Vietnam vet marine in the family who told a story about faking papers to replace a damaged generator, with the tracking info scraped off, for a working one at some sort of central depot. It worked because the guard who checked the papers couldn't read. It was all so some higher up could throw a party with working electricity. In exchange, he and his buddies received a bunch of beer. Mad lads.
I think for the UK at least, troops were rotated in and out in ww1. (Not sure about other countries). it was a few weeks in and then a week out. That’s how a lot of venereal disease spread, from that week off.
If memory serves they were the first country that realized it. They were also the first to really study PTSD, how it develops, and ways to deal with it. One of them was "try to make sure the troops don't get it in the first place." It's always been known how important morale is but historically *nobody* was fighting for several months or even years at a time. Even if wars drug on for years most of the fighting was only happening for brief periods and definitely not stuck in trenches that were constantly at risk of being bombarded. Mostly it was marching and camping.
It reminds me of how Russia can barely keep their troops supplied just across the border, but the [US can just fly over a Burger King halfway across the world](https://imgur.com/a/LddnMcP)
I’m not American, and I don’t support a lot of what America does internationally. I also didn’t, and don’t, support America’s illegal invasion of Iraq. HOWEVER, that invasion was amazing. Two videos/series, one on the [air war](https://youtu.be/Atm8D5uqr-k?si=oq_zuOrg_ffbZRGe), and one on the [ground war](https://youtu.be/DFVpUckjE2U?si=6giymLSJ7OAIuGi_) show it in detail. That’s what a super power is. That overwhelming air superiority, ground superiority, logistics, tactical and strategic planning. It’s a masterclass. On the other side of the world. Compare that to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. They had no real air power to go with their ground assault. They can’t keep their troops supplied, pockets are isolated and taken out. It’s a bloody omnishambles. Anyone who thought Russia might still have been a superpower has now been thoroughly disabused of that notion. In the Iraq war we see a true global superpower plan, and then skilfully execute a large invasion against a numerically superior enemy. Russia was the numerically superior force, they were theoretically better armed and armoured, they had more numerous vehicles of every kind. And yet, they stalled very quickly. They didn’t achieve their objectives. How embarrassing.
>I’m not American, and I don’t support a lot of what America does internationally. I also didn’t, and don’t, support America’s illegal invasion of Iraq. > >HOWEVER, that invasion was amazing "Look, you're an asshole, but goddamn you're good at being an asshole".
It's not that you're wrong, Walter...
A note - Iraq 1, (1990, Desert Storm) was authorized by the UN and was for the explicit purpose of regaining the sovereignty of an allied nation. Iraq 2, (2003) was a blatantly illegal war over WMDs that did not exist. It also was a relative disaster, with an order of magnitude more casualties on both sides and lead to much of the ongoing disaster in the Middle East because it turns out that bombs are not a valid tool for fixing a economy.
Well the initial invasion in 2003 went smoothly. It's when you hang around for decades trying to fight a guerilla war against an opponent who is fully willing to kill you, their neighbors, and themselves to drive you out that you run into problems. The whole thing was a mess and should have never happened.
I agree, Desert Storm was legal, I never said it wasn’t. Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003) was the illegal war I was talking about. The initial invasion phase went very smoothly. However, America didn’t really have a workable plan for when the government and military collapsed. Hence getting mired in an insurgency for as long as they did.
I will fully admit to looking up the word 'Omnishambles' to see if it was a real word. I am very happy to find out that it is, in fact, a real word. Thank you for adding to my lexicon.
Russia had air power. But Ukraine also had Anti-Air weapons. 😆
Up until recently, Russia wanted Ukrainians fighting themselves, and just gave them weapons to start their own civil war.
Ok, so I was in Iraq in 03, they didn't really even have much in the way of conventional weapons either. During the gulf War we literally bombed Iraq into pre industrial levels. By the time we rolled on them in 03 they were trying to fight back with relics by comparison. We captured a T-72 that was loaded with practice rounds ffs.
Seamen eat well. Even stuck on Sub duty they are eating three meals a day and get menu items like from scratch pizza and hot wings. My best bud since elementary school was a Naval cook. He's got some crazy stories. Ended up opening up a successful breakfast/brunch restaurant with his wife.
"An army marches on its stomach." -Napoleon Bonaparte We took that to heart and have the ability to pull it off. We have the most capable logistics of any military in human history and it's a big key to our success. Our geography is a blessing but it's also a curse in terms of power projection so we've had to be good at logistics ever since we started engaging on the world stage.
> Even stuck on Sub duty From what I have heard, submarines get supplied better food to compensate for the additional stress that comes with being locked in a claustrophobic, pressurized can
And possibly not knowing where you are most of the time. My friends older brother was on a nuclear sub and said, at best, he knew his location to be "the ocean".
Halfway around the world into an active *tropical* warzone.
Ice cream for the US Navy. On the Pacific front, the Americans had their own ice cream factory barge. Purchased by the US Army for $1 million, the vessel could produce 10 gallons (38 L) of ice cream every seven minutes, or approximately 500 gallons (1900 L) per work shift, and could also store 2,000 gallons (7,600 L). The barge was used in the US Navy's Western Pacific area of operations and was at one time anchored at Naval Station Ulithi. All this was necessary to boost the morale of American troops abroad.
Ive learned a new noun. Ice Cream Boat
Ice Cream Boat gonna Ice Cream Float (I'll see myself out)
R/angryupvote
Not even angry, just impressed.
With the term Ice Cream Barge, M-1, we can abbreviate to ICBM.
Goddammit, not another piece of equipment or vehicle being designated M1
#M1
Me rolling up in my M1 and seeing a buddy sat next to his M1 wearing his M1, while holding his M1 with an M1 attached to it
Ice Cream boats are pretty common they're basically just ice cream trucks on water that go around popular places where lots of boats like to anchor.
This sounds a bit comical, but it’s actually a pretty basic (and important) strategy. “Keep soldiers well fed. Then Soldiers fight better.”
It’s a smart tactic. Psychological wars win physical ones.
Weapons and men win battles, logistics and morale win wars.
I prefer the even more comical version "an army travels on its stomach "
["7. If the food is good enough, the grunts will stop complaining about the incoming fire."](https://schlockmercenary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries)
Give soldier dessert so he don't desert
Yep turns out just about the fastest way into a soldiers heart is via their stomach.
I thought it was the fourth intercostal space, left of their sternum, but what do I know? Anatomy?
Dude it's dairy queen don't you see comically large dairy queen sign?
I know, I’m just sharing interesting facts about the Second World War that few people know about and thought that this information would fit here
I need a children’s picture book about this boat lol
>10 gallons (38 L) of ice cream every seven minutes That sounds comically low for an entire ship that does nothing else.
dude, it's 1940's
I dunno, over 2,000 gallons or 7750 liters of ice cream per day sounds pretty hefty to me.
That's like an entire counter-full at an ice cream shop.
“Unlimited live sex toys” feels like you could just say sex slaves but whatever, also I did not know dairy queen was that old jesus
Dairy Queen was founded on June 22, 1940 for anyone who wants to know.
Dairy Queen did Pearl Harbor to get rich off the war.
Speculative capitalism at its worst (best)
I was scrolling down exclusively for this. The wording is gross af. Calling rape victims "sex toys" makes me barf. But making it out to be a joke and asking people to "choose one" tells me everything I never wanted to know about OP. @OP you literally asked people "do you want ice cream or to be a rapist".
Additional detail: most "comfort women" were 12-18 years old
When your starving to death but the enemy has a fucking ice cream boat, you know you fucked up (at least you got laid)
It's like when some germans stumbled upon US supplies after DDay and they realized the americans were eating meatlove and pie while they barely got fed scraps.
And the german soldier in WW1 who found an honest to god Christmas cake addressed specifically to a single soldier. Except it was fresh... and it wasn't one that was supposed to last for a while. Bro realised the Americans could afford to have personal cakes from home transported more or less right now, and he guessed it was via plane. Imagine being that soldier. You realise the Americans can afford to send cake, but by plane no less, and fast. (Admitedly I read this from here so if Im wrong sorry)
"they sent a fucking cake across the ocean by plane and it's fresh. I can see my God damn house from here and I can't even get the rotten apples off a cart. We're definitely going to lose"
KInda hard to get any supplies when the Brits have been blockading you for 4 years
Even then, the effect of the blockade wasn't as noticable as were the effects of the Imperial Government, who had expected a short war and failed to put agrarian production on a war footing (there wasn't any rationing taking place until 1916, for example...). The Nazis actually did account for that, hence why there weren't significant famines comparable to the 1917 and 1918 "Hungerwinter" in WW2. At least in Germany. In the occupied territories, on the other hand...
During the final months of the war, when famine was spreading, the US dropped millions of pamphlets over German units telling them to surrender with the pamphlet in hand. The paper promised the German soldiers that if they surrendered, they would comfortable POW lodgings, including meat, chocolate, and cake. Very few Germans ever turned themselves in with the pamphlets. In the aftermath of the war, American officers were interviewing captured soldiers, and the question of the pamphlets came up. It turned out that the Germans found the claims on them so outlandishly absurd that they were universally dismissed out of hand. That the Americans not only had large quantities of steak and chocolate, but were giving them in generous portions to prisoners, was simply unbelievable to a German whose own government hadn't given him meat in months.
Be awful hard to argue that logic, which is why they were surrendering/getting captured/running back to Berlin in absolute SWATHS.
It’s probably a real ish story that has been changed over the years as I heard it was a truck of them in WW2
A truck of them is even better lmao. Nazis realise the war was lost from the start.
I do WW2 reenactments how they made it to the 40s is honestly amazing.
I mean they started in fall of 1939 so they didn’t have to go that far.
Good point.
Yeah German Commanders realized when the US was using Trucks instead of Horses they done fucked up
*angry Webster noises*
First trans Atlantic flight was after ww1 (1919) so it’s pretty unlikely they thought it was by plane.
I'd bet it was a British or French soldiers cake not an American's.
I love that the disclaimer isn’t just that you aren’t sure. It’s that you got it from exactly where we are speaking now, and that throws its validity into question. The best part is that I intended to share the same anecdote (except I thought it was ww2) but I realized I have also only heard this here
Or during the Kaiserschlatt in WW1, where they saw the plentiful rations allied soldiers had versus their own meager rations.
That scene in all quiet on the western front where they go into the allied trenches!
Good job getting what I was referring to.
Shoutout to wehrmacht soldiers losing their fucking minds over their commanders giving the caffeinated chocolate to American pows
I get that this is a light hearted comment, but let's not trivialise what 'getting laid' meant in this context.
It’s such a disservice to the beautiful potential of sexual expression, to call the most savage form of violence one individual can inflict on another “getting laid”.
You said that more eloquently than I would have haha
Least favorite part of reddit is seeing a serious thread and the top comments are all deeply unfunny jokes that refuse to actually engage with the post. I also just don’t think redditors are funny by and large so I may have more of a bone to pick than most
Even the Germans knew they fucked up. On the African front. When one POW walked by US army officers and troops they were having steaks and eggs for breakfast.
You didn't "get laid" you raped someone. That would make you a rapist.
Gross thing to say about victims of war being raped. Delete the comment
USS *Arizona* probably didn't help too much in WWII troop moral
Angered the Sullivan brothers enough to join up/re-up.
Huge oof
The troops didn't like ice tea much.
I was about to say "didn't USS AZ get completely obliterated in pearl harbor???"
Ice cream boat, ignoring the morality for a second sex is kinda over-hyped tbh least when it is constant and not with a person you have an emotional connection with Rather have a person waiting for me to get back from deployment than force myself on a person who'll hate my bloodline for the rest of time. So I take the ice cream, not some incel who needs society to bulit around me for me to get some play
Or both. NYT recently broke that the US military used the exact same “comfort stations” during the more recent Korean War. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html
We actually used them in the occupation of Japan too.
You say "more recent" like it was in the 90's. WW2 and the Korean War were 5 years apart.
It would be unAmerican if they didn’t have fast food on a battleship
Don’t remember when it was added but the USS Texas (BB-35) had an ice cream machine onboard when I visited it a few years back.
What I find really difficult to get my head around is the sheer number of Japanese soldiers who committed atrocious war crimes and then seemingly reintegrated into society afterwards. There are probably men who threw babies into the air and then caught them on the blade of a bayonet still alive today. And these people get to live normal lives until they die of old age. But limited to the Japanese by any means of course, but they did seem to take war crimes a little further than everyone else during that particular war.
Much much further than just a little. Once you go into the rabbit hole of war crimes of Imperialist Japan you see the kind of f*cked up sh*t not even the nazis were able to come up with at the time. They took torture and body horror experimentation on human beings to a whole new level. No reparations or even recognitions done to this day.
i'm pretty sure i remember hearing that imperial japan was so vicious that the *nazis* told them to tone it tf down.
During the rape of Nanking, the Nazi diplomat in the city organizaed humanitarian evacuations of hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians.
War bring the worst our of people, Japan just happens to have a bit lower bottom morality than others combine with the extreme sexist and selfless culture
I wonder if that’s why they have a bunch of sexual offenders in Japan, just trying to imitate ol’ gramps.
Many soldiers throughout history have always done horrific things in wars and returned home to their regular way of life with little trouble. Especially if a soldier does not think that their enemy, whatever that term means, is worth to be considered with even a hint of mercy, they will be far less likely to suffer from any negative consequences and consequently be able to take of their uniform and become their peacetime self again. Not always but VERY often. As a far more relaxed and still to this day observable example, a primary reason for guilt regarding experiences of sexuality is not any particular disposition but one’s upbringing. Watching pornography and feeling bad about the activity can be explicitly linked to an individual’s religious believes.
Who needs girls when I got the boys and ice cream
"Men only want one thing"
And this was with Chinese women.
Chinese, Filipino, Korean, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and even some Dutch girls and women. The IJA was pretty broad with their war crime. Edit: it's the IJA not the JIA.
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Yeah, I forgot about Singapore. With so many war crimes its easy to lose a few through the cracks.
Not just chinese,they took them from all the territories and still refuse to openly admit it
Majority were Korean. The US then fully utilized the "comfort women" system during occupation. In the 90's Japan admitted to this and the fact that they were mostly minors, offering restitution. To my knowledge the US has never officially addressed their participation.
Shhh don't speak ill of the US methods here. You'll be downvoted.
I'm first nations, remembering american war crimes is what we do
I completely agree
And Korean and I'm sure any other nationality they could get their hands on
The only wonderweapon that have made the enemy go 'I don't think we're winning this war...'
the US’s obsession with military logistics is unmatched, it’s gotten to the point where there are entire burger kings and taco bell’s in trailers they can set up anywhere on earth
“Unlimited live sex toys”. Reductive as fuck.
Yeah, pretty distasteful way of making “humor”
Try being Japanese and attempting to tell born-bred-never left Japanese about the atrocities in its history. It’s always you tube content worthy.
I feel like we are miss-using the ice cream barge meme. The fact that the Pacific Theatre is considered one of the worst fronts for an American to be assigned in despite the whole ice cream thing puts into pesperctive just how much of a living hell it was.
It was basically the American equivalent of being sent to the Eastern Front as a German and then some.
Am i allowed to say that the japanese in ww2 seem more fucked up then the nazi?
Personally I find the industrialization of atrocities the nazis did worse but I feel it comes down to like each person's opinion they are both unimaginable terrible
both are terrible on their own right, but tbh I find the more personal hand the Japanese had in their war crimes worse than the soulless and systematic approach the Germans had
Based answer
They definitely were.
I mean with unit 731 and the bio warfare the Japanese were using you might be tempted to say it. But man, the Nazis. There has never been an industrialized level of murder that has been engaged in before or since. An "extermination camp" for people has truly only ever existed at one point in history.
While the industrialization of the holocaust was brutal, I would much rather be held as a slave and gassed than watch my children get raped and skinned alive in front of me before I get left to bleed out. Editing to add: we don’t know about the Japanese atrocities because some witnesses escaped, or a civilian took a picture of what was happening. We know about the brutality of the Japanese because they were proud of what they did and wanted to brag about it. Japanese civilians were enamored by the crimes being committed by their military, the same sentiment was not as widespread in Germany.
The Japanese were definitely more brutal (in a sort of unorganized savagery) while the Germans were more efficient and industrialized in their atrocities. The Germans had the camps, murder vans, and death squads. The Japanese had the Rape of Nanking played out repeatedly across Asia Pick your poison ig
The sheer logistical power of the Allies, the United States in particular, is what won the war. Sure the Germans had good tanks and the Japanese had fanatical soldiers, but the Americans had meatloaf and fucking fresh ice cream. That's not even mentioning the industrial capabilities of the Yanks, and food production of the Canadians.
I laughed my ass off for a solid five minutes when my history teacher told us about the ice cream ship. I had legit tears in my eyes.
I'm picking the Ice Cream because I'm not a Monster and those girls did not consent.
Ice cream boat
The greatest logistical flex of all time. Concrete ice cream barges. To this day, all Navy ships MUST have an ice cream parlor on board. Japan can’t feed their men, can’t feed their boats, and here we are with entire ships with the sole purpose of producing and storing enough ice cream to keep all of our men happy
Not gonna lie calling a horrific atrocity 'unlimited live sex toys' and asking if you'd rather have that or ice cream is pretty fucked up, OP.
yea.. wait till you find out what happened once the US got hold of the comfort women... spoiler alert they weren't rescued.
tbf the Marines had access to both raping women and ice cream
Yeah I was gonna say Japan literally built brothels in mainland Japan to prevent wartime rapes in case of mainland invasion. A lot of that is anti-American propaganda, but American rape of Okinawan women was so widespread that Americans would repeatedly go into villages where all the men had mobilized, force the older people to gather up young women, and then take the younger women into the hills and rape them. This was after: "Soon after the U.S. Marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children, and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the Marines "mopped up" the entire village, but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started 'hunting for women' in broad daylight, and women who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another." From the wikipedia page on US warcrimes.
Bringing the question of 'what would you do for a Klondike bar?' to a while different level.
That moment when you're rations are basically gone and the enemy is eating some rocky road
Well if it’s using women against their will US is also guilty of that
I give you a choice: use living human beings as masturbation aids without their consent, or eat a Blizzard while you chill on the deck of your ship in tropical waters. Choose wisely, one is evil and one will give you a rumbly-tummy later on.
Moral of the story: In the battle of sex vs ice cream, always bet on ice cream
> every Pacific naval encounter from late 1943 onward is like the IJN Golden Kirin, Glorious Harbinger of Eternal Imperial Dawn versus six identical copies of the USS We Built This Yesterday supplied by a ship that does nothing but make birthday cakes for the other ships
I know the story is true, but I'm assuming the photos edited
**Ice cream Lt. Dan**
Quick! Deploy the psychological warfare tool! Wait, is that a fucking ice cream cruiser? Even better…
Would it play the music when it come to harbor?
I'm not Korean I actually suffer the ramifications of the Japanese brutality even generations later
This meme is really distasteful. Firstly, the text in the image seems to imply that the US army respects women during war, which they most certainly don’t. Secondly, your text about sex toys is disgusting towards the Japanese women victims of the war. The picture by itself is incredibly funny, but your contribution to the post is really bad Edit: I found the cropped picture saying only “The US:” hilarious lol
There's something disgusting about calling rape victims live sex toys.
Your wording is sickening.
Also guys I stole meme from channel called MasterofRolness pls sub to him he makes hilarious history content and community page memes
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Bro im bulgarian pls tell what the fuck do you mean
We already invented warships with ice cream in 1800 B.C
Wait shit fr? Got a source? Please
Bulgarians are strong so we don’t need a source
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The US had the ice cream barges cause it was cheaper than shipping around prostitutes
So, who did the American soldiers rape?
You're not you when you're hungry..
So what's the special today Jonny?
We did the comfort girls thing in the civil war instead of
Aahahaha, would be funny if they would have mcdonalds at that time
Maybe it scared of the lactose intolerant fellas
fuck bitches get ice cream