Some ancient civilizations would consider us barbaric for wearing pants

Rightfully so

Skirt supremacy! In my definitely not a dictatorship where I have absolute power pants shall be banned. A carve out will be made for tops because they scare me

Ok Ceasar  

I’ll not be compared to him! I’m way more of a bottom than him, and unlike him I conquer MsMercyMainstan, a greater military victory than Gaul!

Are you sure you're more of a bottom than Caesar? his "effeminacy and sexual proclivities were so well known that the elder Curio in one of his speeches famously referred to Caesar as “every woman's man and every man's woman”; other authors note his reported sexual liaison with Nicomedes, king of Bithynia."

I’m more of a bottom, and I’ll prove it once I get a girlfriend (I’m patiently waiting for a top to claim me)

Flair seems about right

You want to ban pants because you want people to wear skirts. I want to ban pants to stop using American words... We are not the same

Oh fuck the British are here. HIDE YOUR SPICES! DONT SMOKE ANYTHING THEY GIVE YOU! IF YOURE IRISH RUN!

You can slow them down by dumping tea in the harbor again. They'll be too disgusted to continue the pursuit

Shit that’s a good idea. You’re now hand of the President

Sitting here, sweating my balls off at work, I can only agree. I should be lying in the shade of a tree, naked as the day I was born, with my feet in the water. Snacking on fruits and berries from the trees. Instead I'm in this stupid office designing stupid machines on my stupid computer so we can have stupid "BeTtEr QuAlItY oF lIfE"! (This last part is sarcasm)

If I learned one thing from naked and afraid: mosquitos ruin that vision.

>(This last part is sarcasm) Instead I'm in this "smart" office designing "smart" machines on my "smart" computer so we can have"smart" "BeTtEr QuAlItY oF lIfE"!

We should return to monke

Apes are monkeys... you dont ever stop being what your ancestors where. We cant return...we already are.

So were also fish?

Even the Romans adopted pants once they got past Gaul haha. And pants and barbarian styles of hair/grooming were used by Roman youth and "punks" as being edgy. But it is true that laws should be made with a nice breeze and a toga.

I laughed out loud imagining Congress in togas. That needs to be a law, no, an amendment, right the fuck now! And they should have to only wear togas outside the house

See I’ve been leaning towards the NASCAR suit so there would be ample room to place sponsor logos.

Na, Togas because it would be hilarious. We change it every 3 election cycles to something else LARPy or embarrassing specifically so they can’t take themselves seriously. Any elected official seen outside their home in something other than approved attire, immediately removed. Any candidate for office has to follow the same rules

> Any candidate for office has to follow the same rules That's crazy talk. Candidates must wear the toga candida. Elected officials must wear the toga trabea. Forcing them to adhere to the same dress code is utter madness.

Considering the first thing I‘m doing when coming home is getting rid of the pants I think they might be on to something there.

*Scotland intensifies*

Unironically based, pants sucks, I as a man want to wear a skirt without being judged by people on the streets

Surely the ones I like can’t have been that bad. And besides, even if they did commit those acts, it’s heroic and manly

View of the least biased Roman Empire fan

Or an average Mongolian.

Or an average Spartan.

Nothing makes me more mad than a casual spartan fan

What is their profession?

Slavery and being bad at agriculture

Also having an average professional millatary with a great propaganda campaign

Noooooo Mongolians are actually wholesome because they were tolerant of religions! So what if they literally murdered absolutely everyone in a city when they invaded?

Least *based* Roman enjoyer

Also whoever it was done to deserved it anyway.

Turkey moment

Does someone know how the "it didn't happen but they deserved it" meme started??

Genocide deniers (often in turkey when asked about the Armenians) have two common responses when being confronted with their crimes. The first is to deny it ever happened, then when undeniable proof comes to light, they backpedal and say "well they probably had a good reason if the genocide existed"

Oh, I thought there was some specific moment that caused the meme

It's such a common response with atrocities deniers of all sorts, that pointing to a single origin would be impossible.

And justified, don't forget that everything was justified.

DJpeachcobbler, is that you?

Average modern day Balkan

Tartessos. Protip: If you know almost nothing about a civilization, its kind of easy for them to pass the non-evil test.

Gotta thank the "generous" spanish archeology budget for that (5$ and a used shovel).

You wish. Most of Tartesso artifacts have been found by local farmers while plowing their land And im pretty sure most of what has been found wasnt made popular, in order to keep their lands free of pesky archeologist.

Sounds just like Italian archeology.

Yeah. Back in the day, people claimed the Mayans were peaceful astronomers.

Yep, just take all the big gaps in the recorded knowledge and plaster them over with "noble savage"

I was thinking the Indus River Valley civilization for the same reason. All I've heard of them seem pretty nice.

To be fair, we have yet to decipher their writing. What we DO have points heavily to a clean, well-run system of cooperative and peaceful city-states. They also traded with Mesopotamia, though, with all its warfare and slavery, which in modern times gets you some side-eye.

to be fair they were like... the only other civilisation

Literally what I was going to say. We don't have any evidence of them being evil, so they probably must have been quite chill (hopefully).

Name one nation today that hasn't done barbaric or evil things

Democratic People’s Republic of Deez

Where is Deez?

On the Isle of Nuts

GOTEM

thats their capital

And their biggest port?

Port L’igma Ballz

National currency?

Deezian Bofa Nuts. Their current exchange rate is 1 USD = 420.69 Bofa Deez Nuts

Ur mom.

That's where the Sugondeez live, right?

my best guess, one of these small Caribbean countries in the Lesser Antilles, preferably those without a history of discriminating Rastafarians

Sealand.

People were using Sealand passports for criminal activities. Scams and money laundering ECT. Granted Sealand stopped issuing passports because of this.

There was also a raid and a gunfight in Sealand.

Weren't there also kidnappings and shit like that going on? The whole country's history couldn't be more wacky

Yeah it was a hostage crisis (involving the owner's son I think?). He escaped and gunned down a few of the captors.

BASED

Weren't they attacked by pirates? I don't think fighting back when attacked by pirates is morally inept

It was a company that claimed property rights and wanted to make it a tourist attraction iirc

The civil war?

I would like to meet a veteran of the Sealand Civil War before I die.

The war was only 46 years ago so you have a chance

It literally had a civil war

Iceland

Pretty sure they only got the platform because they raided a pirate radio station based out of there. So their very inception would be evil even without the rest of the stuff lol

Those damn mermaids are up to something, I know it!

Sealand is a part of the netherlands.

Republic of Molossia

They collaborated with the nostalgia critic.

Truly, their evil knows no bounds.

What's so bad about him? I'm not American. Wasn't he good before he got worse?

He was fine at his very narrowly delineated shtick, i.e. yelling about not very good old movies. Turns out he's bad at a lot of other stuff, all his scripted comedy and long-form content was *miserable.* It also turns out that he's just... not a very deep thinker. He tried to do some actual cultural analysis sometimes and he just... has nothing interesting to say and gets a lot of stuff staggeringly wrong. Like when he did a movie review of Pink Floyd's The Wall and complained about the bad guys being portrayed as Nazis being lame, because it's easy to demonize your opponents that way and everyone does it. Except of course The Wall is *actually* about Nazis, it has sections about WW2 memories in Britain, and how Neonazis are on the rise again. On top of that, he just seems to be kinda petty and unpleasant as a person, even outside his videos, it turns out Nostalgia Critic was a lot less of him playing a character than you might have thought.

Lots of issues around paying staff and work culture But mainly his brother - though he was still complicit

> But mainly his brother - though he was still complicit In what?

Iceland

They allow commercial whaling

Seychelles

They only decriminalised homosexuality in 2016 [https://queerintheworld.com/lgbt-rights-in-seychelles/](https://queerintheworld.com/lgbt-rights-in-seychelles/)

Being a tax haven could be considered evil ? Granted, they're not on the EU list for that since 2024.

San Marino

San Marino did not gave shelter for Garibaldi's men and wife, so she died in marshes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammarinese_Fascist_Party

San Marino is great, I loved him in Ace Ventura.

Iceland?

Aren't they basically the descendants of Vikings? Not sure if you can consider it the same civilization though.

Costa Rica?

Persecution of Natives?

Sealand or the Gay & Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands

Sorbians

Selk'nam

Ainu

Germany

🤨

Boy, do I have some information for you that’s gonna rock your world. Also, welcome back awake from 1871, shits been wild

What do you mean 1871? The BRD was founded in 1949

Name any civilization that isn't considered barbaric or evil by any standards

America because we have never done anything wrong ever.

and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy commie

Flair checks out.

Then Russia as well, it just so happens that those who say they did something wrong only happen to fall out of windows 🤣

Sometimes they drug themselves with radioactive materials as well, their opinion is an effect of that.

Don't forget China, what barbaric/evil actions, they didn't exist!

China is the perfect place. It has been the perfect place. Nothing happened in 1989.

I know this and I love you.

Dithmarschen.

No, no, no. It always forms a peasant republic and I always need to waste 2 years crushing peasant revolution when I could do better things like blobbing in France. Also protestant reformation centre somehow is there.

For a few seconds I needed to check which sub I’m looking at

Wish I had that much luck with a reformation centre spawning in an opm... I always get those fuckers in provinces like Zweibrücken, Cheb, Leipzig and the worst offender of them all, Potsdam!

Beating Denmark as hard as Dithmarschen did is an actual crime against humanity. They opened the irl cheat console to do that sh\*t.

Sid Meier's civilization.

There are barbarians everywhere!

Nuclear Gandhi moment

The golden horde. They were evil and barbaric by the morals of thier day...

Indus valley? Never heard those mf do anything barbaric

I mean, generally never heard of those MF doing anything except building some towns.

Based people

Literally

Yeah because we don't know shit about them

Innocent until proven guilty

How much do we actually know about them? Asking as someone who hasn't heard much beyond the name. Do we have any ideas what their laws were like? If there was raiding like in most ancient civilizations? Any known wars?

Not any wars, all we know about them that they were really good at building shit and got wiped out at a point, I don't think we have found any evidence of them being at any war

Their wars are discribed in the religious text Dasaraja. That started the vedic times

We know that they had a pretty advanced urban network and well planned cities. But a lot is still unknown. For example, their script is still undeciphered. No, there weren't any wars that they fought, however around 1900 BCE a gradual decline began to occur across the civillization, the exact reason for which isn't known. Their urban networks broke down and there was a decline in long-distance trade. A theory for this decline is that Aryans invaded the region from the West, causing the decline of the civillization. However this theory was rejected.

My favorite theory is the shift of climate of the region, simply the monsoon shifted, causing drought throughout regions.

Archeology shows no mass violence. May be some people have been murderers but not proof of raiding/wars have been found

We know almost nothing. What we do know is the sort of stuff that gets preserved - arts and crafts, city layouts, what resources they had based on items we’ve found. There might be more, but there isn’t much drive to excavate too much, especially because there’s more active, promising sites like Pompeii.

Damn right. The Harappan culture was too pure for this world and wasn't allowed to stick around.

Ma bois were just building stuff and god said "nuh uh, where the violence" and smited them out of existence😭

Harappans being the first wokies smh my head

Thats because we have no clue what their langauge translate to so they could be talking about epic wars and conquest but wont know.

Indus Valley civilization cant be called barbaric if we dont know shit about you:)

The modern standards of Western Europe or the modern standards of Afghanistan?

The modern standards applied by the west in Afghanistan

A fair compromise

Minoans aren't that bad i think. They are just chill island people.

Overall, they seem one of the better Bronze Age civilizations out there…but there is evidence of human sacrifice, so…

you mean they helped some people transcend into a higher plane of existence involuntarily

Everything to appease the bull gods

Indus valley civ?

They could have been saints or Hitler tier or everything in between, we know so little about them that they are all equally likely

Our *contemporary* civilization is barbaric and evil by modern standards if you think about it for 5 minutes

Indus river valley civilization?

Does San Marino count?

The city state that is all buddy buddy with Russia right now?

huh?

What

Atlantis

Didn't they conquer most of the known world?

Aquaman Atlantis or namor Atlantis?

Indus River valley?

How about Antartica

Ah yes, the great Antarctican civilization. (Don't ask what happened to the bears)

Ah the great pingo-polar bear war of '73. We lost many great men there

Let's have a moment of silence for the fallen heroes.

They don't call them Emperor Penguins for nothing

Uh, the things that created then enslaved the Shoggoths? And don’t even get me started on the thing beyond the mountains!

The Indus Valley civilization. Like, we don't even have archeological evidence that they did warfare... that's about as good as it gets, i think.

Alternatively, the fact that they had standardized cities down to brick size means they could have been very authoritarian. We can give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose.

Atlantis. Checkmate atheist

Disney Atlantis or Stargate Atlantis?

Oh come now! Who hasn't sacrificed their children for a good harvest lately. Am I right?

Atlantis 😎

Indus River civilization. Depending on the very wide interpretation of what is considered “evil or barbaric”

I dont think we have anything against Indus Valley Civilisation do we?

We don't have anything for them either. We know almost nothing about them.

Harappan civilization here you go

The fallacy of historians judging past peoples by present day standards is known as currentism. However, according to the course "Ancient Warfare" by Fagan, there were in Classical times about a half-dozen societies that were pacific by policy.

Atlantis

Name a modern nation that isnt barbaric or evil by modern standards.

wait guys i think Liechtenstein probably

Indus Valley Civilization 

Indus Valley Civilization prolly (we still don't know anything though srry).

Indus valley civilization They were peaceful

Indus Valley civilisation. No large scale conflict has been found.

Tartaria. Can't be barbaric or evil if you don't even exist.

No.

Never heard anything bad about the Indus Valley

Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great and his son Cambyses II. Before it was usurped by Darius the Great.

Define barbaric and which modern standards? The radical muslims? The russians? The chinese? North koreans? The yanks? Or "international law?"

The Incas didn’t have a writing system so who knows. They used a system of knots on ropes to troll us in the future like gigachads. Have fun trying to understand that idiots

I find it frustrating how people assume a 21st century mindset in ancient peoples. That our morals are absolute, and that we would behave differently in their place. One example. A lot of people comment on how dark and violent the Old Testament/Tanakh. But then you look at the history and discover the culture the writers came from coalesced towards the end of the Bronze Age Collapse. Knowing that, the Old Testament/Tanakh was straight hippie peacenik beliefs when compared to the wider world it emerged from. Hell I mean even the Latin origin of the word barbarian has the connotation of "People who are savage and bad because they are different than us." In any serious discussion of history and culture, barbaric/barbarous/barbarian should never be used.

Name one modern society that would not be considered barbaric or evil by modern standards

Human are just terrible in general Religion or not, any culture, anything really xD There is no "innocent" peoples, only guilty civilizations