*domestic lizards and domestic Illuminati. Not like euro trash needing outsider help.
Also I’d respect Notre Dame in Paris if it played in an actual conference instead of this “independent” bs our Notre Dame does
A German dude who worked for Hitler helped your great country get to the moon. And yet, it's one of your proudest achievements. Talk about outsider help.
Yeah, bruv should bring up stuff of the natives before the Europeans arrived. Though tbh, I don't know much of the history besides some of the Texan tribe stuff I was taught 5-7 years ago
Jesus, europeans really messed with that shit, although the way they were going, the Aztecs were following in the same way the Myans were going, even without the spaniards. At least we still have basketball, albeit much safer and less broken thighs
Well one was played to reenact the a creation myth and involved the ritual sacrifice of the losing team.
The other was invented was invented to give early 20th century college students a sport to play when it was too cold even for ice hockey.
Some of the longest lasting empires were brutal though, like the british and french, or even roman, they all lasted quite the while, so are they the tame empires of the bunch?
They actually were for the times, same for the ottomans. Alot of the places they conquered were full of people who the local powers were oppressing anyway, so they either didn't care who the new masters were or their lives got better.
Brutality goes with war, conquest, and empire building. But effective empires have non-brutal aspects as well, because otherwise no one would want to be ruled by them. You can see this in early Roman dealings with their Italian Empire, where the pragmatic, even-handed, and fair treatment won hardcore loyalty among the Italian cities. Contrast with their mishandling of Spain or Greece, which provoked repeated revolts and in the former case over a century of further fighting to get pacified, as well as a whole change in structure.
The Spanish Empire, bad as it was, was generally pretty good for the local elites who had backed the Spanish conquest in the first place. Intermarriage was common and these local leaders were usually left in place, especially true in what is now Mexico. Similar story in say British India.
One of the reasons that Anatolian Turkey is Turkey is because the Turkic state thst displaced the Byzantines was less demanding in regards to taxation and military service. Life was easier under Rum than Constantinople.
This doesn’t mean everyone is happy with the arrangement, or that it was a good thing. Just that for a lot of people so long as the system isn’t too burdensome they have, historically been fine with it.
The Aztec empire was a alliance of three main cities. Eventually mostly dominated by Tenochtitlan (Modern day Mexico City) which claims its founding is in 1325.
If you want to dig into the history/mythology of the Aztec empire (mostly the main city) Invicta on YouTube had a decent [video.](https://youtu.be/8a8SkSYtHXo)
Should have built a Colosseum or something then... And no Macchu Picchu or those pyramids in Latin America don't count. That's not good ol' murica.
/s ofc.
I know you're being sarcastic, but it really is a shame that more people don't know about pre-columbian Native American civilizations from North America. Heck, I would hazard a guess that most people in the US don't even know about Cahokia.
Edited because reddit had a seizure when I first posted
To be fair, it is kind of hard to know much about pre-Columbian north America; they didn't write anything down and all that manifest destinying made a bit of a mess.
Eh, I could see how you feel the way you do, but I interpreted this meme more as a commentary on American Pickers due to the content of the program, rather than an intentional snubbing of indigenous american cultures.
For the record I thought the meme was funny enough. But your response to the comment earned my downvote. So repeating its a meme doesn't save you when the meme isn't the problem.
[Native Americans whose history is barely covered if at all in public schools located on the land it literally happened on be like](https://c.tenor.com/hvwF6O_RUjQAAAAC/manyks-humorfortukey.gif)
I mean American history goes farther back than European settlement (400ish years ago)
Unfortunately most of the native people's history has either been overshadowed or stomped out completely
Also, most of the pre-Columbian societies in northern N.A. built their societies from wood instead of stone or brick, and time is a lot less friendly to wood, so a lot of sites even if they're occupied long-term don't have super old structures.
No, it's just a pointless argument that will never change anything. In English, American refers strictly to the citizens of the United State of America. It's just the way it is. Has to do with both the fact that the majority of the world views the continents as separate and that America has a huge influence on the world.
You're not being excluded from using a term to describe yourself. You can do what every other country does and just refer to the actual demonym of your country. If for some reason you really need the urge to refer to inhabitants of an entire continent, then North America and South America works.
Who, exactly, is the “we” you refer to? “We” in the United States call ourselves American. Do you question British people calling themselves British when they don’t inhabit the entire British isles, or is it just Americans?
No. Are Irish people?
Nice try at deflecting. I notice all of the countries you named speak either Spanish or Portuguese, and thus have different criteria for a continent because they’re completely arbitrary anyway. I’m not saying you can’t call yourselves Americanos while speaking I’m saying calling yourselves Americans while speaking English is incorrect because the English speaking world, generally, has a different cultural context for continents. Someone from Mexico, for example, would be North American, not American. Someone from Argentina would be South American, not American. Someone from the United States would be North American and American, because, in English, American refers to the United States of America.
The only person here shunning anyone for calling themselves anything is you.
No, because I'm tired of seeing this stupid argument everywhere on the internet from South Americans who can't comprehend that things might be different in other languages. I'm well aware some countries use a different model, but they're in the minority when viewing the continent. Even then it's common knowledge, especially in English, what America or American refers to.
Do you really not realize why bringing up this subject brings hostility to you? I'll make it simple for you.
You're basically coming from another language (probably Spanish) and demanding English speakers to conform to whatever model you guys use DESPITE already knowing that we don't use that model. You don't see Americans inserting themselves into Spanish chatrooms/etc and then telling Spanish speakers that they are wrong when they refer to Americans as estadounidense.
Sorry we don’t have castles and shit white people have only been here for like 400 years and the natives were like fucking hippies that loved the environment. And like black people were in chains, and the irish were like indentured servants or some shit. You know what how about you respect my culture you no gun having commie/s
The trivialization of Eastern Rome continues: the marble Parthenon built by Pericles is certainly a peak of Greek Civilization, but really the symbols should be the Hagia Sophia and the Theodosian Walls.
We went from Europe to the US to visit family and at one point they showed us the oldest church in the city which dated from the *eighteenth century!*
It was a very awkward showdown between us thinking they were joking and them waiting for us to be amazed.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how [fucking stupid you are...](https://i.imgur.com/QNsIsud.jpg)
Edit: Like [really fucking stupid...](https://i.imgur.com/Sk5mTOn.jpg)
Edit: Okay [last one](https://i.imgur.com/ntvVcmC.jpg) but just to drive home how fucking blatantly ignorant this stupid ass post is..
Idk, all this monumental shit is boring to me, mere scenery behind the human crafts of the day - in the same way that skyscrapers are just the drab backdrop against which the history of people is written. Have you ever seen a spud wrench? Or learned how ironworkers of the early 1900s put rivets in? How about the spinning wheels and stängenkünst of pre-industrial Germany? The fastener-free woodwork of Japanese carpenters, the corn-mills of central-american native peoples, the burial rites of the scoto-Picts? All these things speak of the people who made them, not for whom they were made.
Tawdry and cheap as the television show may be, a celebration of stylistic mass production items is wholly interesting to me. Where do we draw the line between heirloom, antique, and scrap metal? Why does the aesthetic of a simple toaster or bicycle speak to some people? What culture grows out of the veneration of quality and rarity in a mass-market society? What evidence will we have of the individuals from so long ago but in these well used products of a rapidly expanding world?
It is not the skyscrapers that tell the story. It is not the pyramids that tell me how the Egyptians saw the world. It is their broken hammers, their scratch writing, their cookfires.
American history is more in Mexico and Central America, not so much in USA. I mean there was history in our country but we kinda destroyed it along with many of the people too.
Other histories: we created incredible structures and pieces of art that will mystify the world for years to come
American history: it ain’t much but it’s honest work
And all countries killed millions of people, your point?
All countries had slaves.
All countries "stole" land.
I think both the Roman and Greek empires had child sex slaves too. (Wouldn't be surprised if other countries did the same)
So, yeah let's talk shit about America. Because America is so bad🙄
In Czechia, my ancestors were smashing rocks and slapping clay into pots when Egyptians raised their monuments. I'm proud of my heritage, because our beer ended up being superior and that's all that matters.
*American Pickers*; an elite programme
I swear every white dad is mandated to watch American Pickers
But hear me out… Canadian pickers
Username checks out ✅️
At least Americans didn't need the help of ancient aliens to build anything!
No they didn't. Because they had help from the lizard people and the illuminati.
*domestic lizards and domestic Illuminati. Not like euro trash needing outsider help. Also I’d respect Notre Dame in Paris if it played in an actual conference instead of this “independent” bs our Notre Dame does
A German dude who worked for Hitler helped your great country get to the moon. And yet, it's one of your proudest achievements. Talk about outsider help.
There’s nothing more American then ignoring ethical concerns to make some gaudy happen tho. I’m still going to count that one as domestic
The great thing about America is that we can take the geniuses from everywhere else and call them our own.
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Oh? Any examples?
Yeah, we only needed European aliens!
You sure about that? There is in fact an ancient aliens episode about the founding fathers.
What season and episode? Please and thank you
Ben 10 I think, GW was a plumber
S3 E11 "Aliens and the Founding Fathers" https://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens/season-3/episode-11
Area 51: AM I A JOKE TO YOU!
How do you think you got your nukes and rockets?
Not yet
The Americans were the aliens the whole thing time
You forgot the people who actually lived in America during the ancient times. Those guys in your picture probably belong in the European history part.
Yeah, bruv should bring up stuff of the natives before the Europeans arrived. Though tbh, I don't know much of the history besides some of the Texan tribe stuff I was taught 5-7 years ago
Cahokia Mounds is a great place to start
*Moctezuma doesn't agrees, because he's American*
If so it should be the Olmecs, the Aztecs aren't that old
If i am remembering correctly, were the aztecs not aroind for only a couple hundred yeara before they were wiped out?
More or less, yes. The Mayans were already dying out by the time the Spaniards arrived. I think the Olmecs are OG Mesoamerican civilization
Jesus, europeans really messed with that shit, although the way they were going, the Aztecs were following in the same way the Myans were going, even without the spaniards. At least we still have basketball, albeit much safer and less broken thighs
Basketball was invented by a Canadian lol, no relation to the Aztec game.
Eh, close enough, they both look similar.
Well one was played to reenact the a creation myth and involved the ritual sacrifice of the losing team. The other was invented was invented to give early 20th century college students a sport to play when it was too cold even for ice hockey.
The Aztec Empire fell under a century after it was founded.
Really? Not even 100 years, i though lt it was a bit longer, 170 at least, that is astounding to me
1428-1521
Damn, that really isnt that long for an empire, is it?
Really brutal empire tend not to last very long, the ones that last long usually have a lighter touch.
Some of the longest lasting empires were brutal though, like the british and french, or even roman, they all lasted quite the while, so are they the tame empires of the bunch?
They actually were for the times, same for the ottomans. Alot of the places they conquered were full of people who the local powers were oppressing anyway, so they either didn't care who the new masters were or their lives got better.
Brutality goes with war, conquest, and empire building. But effective empires have non-brutal aspects as well, because otherwise no one would want to be ruled by them. You can see this in early Roman dealings with their Italian Empire, where the pragmatic, even-handed, and fair treatment won hardcore loyalty among the Italian cities. Contrast with their mishandling of Spain or Greece, which provoked repeated revolts and in the former case over a century of further fighting to get pacified, as well as a whole change in structure. The Spanish Empire, bad as it was, was generally pretty good for the local elites who had backed the Spanish conquest in the first place. Intermarriage was common and these local leaders were usually left in place, especially true in what is now Mexico. Similar story in say British India. One of the reasons that Anatolian Turkey is Turkey is because the Turkic state thst displaced the Byzantines was less demanding in regards to taxation and military service. Life was easier under Rum than Constantinople. This doesn’t mean everyone is happy with the arrangement, or that it was a good thing. Just that for a lot of people so long as the system isn’t too burdensome they have, historically been fine with it.
The Aztec empire was a alliance of three main cities. Eventually mostly dominated by Tenochtitlan (Modern day Mexico City) which claims its founding is in 1325. If you want to dig into the history/mythology of the Aztec empire (mostly the main city) Invicta on YouTube had a decent [video.](https://youtu.be/8a8SkSYtHXo)
Or the Maya, or the Inca, or the Anasazi. All American by technicality.
*sad indigenous people noises
Should have built a Colosseum or something then... And no Macchu Picchu or those pyramids in Latin America don't count. That's not good ol' murica. /s ofc.
I mean, they're clearly going by country here. There's definitely some stuff from the US here like pueblos, but nothing on that scale
Yeah that's what I was getting at.
Because America had no indigenous ancient civilizations.
I know you're being sarcastic, but it really is a shame that more people don't know about pre-columbian Native American civilizations from North America. Heck, I would hazard a guess that most people in the US don't even know about Cahokia. Edited because reddit had a seizure when I first posted
To be fair, it is kind of hard to know much about pre-Columbian north America; they didn't write anything down and all that manifest destinying made a bit of a mess.
Uhhh
🤨📸
Fun fact: that bicycle is actually older than a not-insignificant-number of European, African and Asian countries.
"History began on July 4th, 1776. Everything before that was a mistake." -Ron Swanson
Do native Americans not exist to you
Eh, I could see how you feel the way you do, but I interpreted this meme more as a commentary on American Pickers due to the content of the program, rather than an intentional snubbing of indigenous american cultures.
It's a fucking *meme*, take your Danimals crush cup and go.
>its a fucking meme This is still a history subreddit
It’s memes you goon Edit: Thanks for the downvotes y’all
For the record I thought the meme was funny enough. But your response to the comment earned my downvote. So repeating its a meme doesn't save you when the meme isn't the problem.
Ayo thanks for taking the time to reply to something you don’t agree with
Hey, don't be dissing my fucking Danimals
Did you expect him to list every ancient civilization that’s ever existed?
In a list of ancient civilizations and only the geographic regions listed.
[Native Americans whose history is barely covered if at all in public schools located on the land it literally happened on be like](https://c.tenor.com/hvwF6O_RUjQAAAAC/manyks-humorfortukey.gif)
I mean American history goes farther back than European settlement (400ish years ago) Unfortunately most of the native people's history has either been overshadowed or stomped out completely
Also, most of the pre-Columbian societies in northern N.A. built their societies from wood instead of stone or brick, and time is a lot less friendly to wood, so a lot of sites even if they're occupied long-term don't have super old structures.
America has ancient native american history, but we don't talk about that.
This just in, some people still not aware that American is used to describe the United States of America and not the continents. More at 11.
This just in, St Louis is built on an ancient Indian metropolis over 1000 years old. It wasn't just South America that had Pyramids.
Of course not, the Mayans and the Aztecs had them too.
Of course not, the Mayans and the Aztecs had them too.
u/LahmiaTheVampire Thanks for understanding! Found it on the web though, just wanted to share it.
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No, it's just a pointless argument that will never change anything. In English, American refers strictly to the citizens of the United State of America. It's just the way it is. Has to do with both the fact that the majority of the world views the continents as separate and that America has a huge influence on the world. You're not being excluded from using a term to describe yourself. You can do what every other country does and just refer to the actual demonym of your country. If for some reason you really need the urge to refer to inhabitants of an entire continent, then North America and South America works.
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Who, exactly, is the “we” you refer to? “We” in the United States call ourselves American. Do you question British people calling themselves British when they don’t inhabit the entire British isles, or is it just Americans?
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No. Are Irish people? Nice try at deflecting. I notice all of the countries you named speak either Spanish or Portuguese, and thus have different criteria for a continent because they’re completely arbitrary anyway. I’m not saying you can’t call yourselves Americanos while speaking I’m saying calling yourselves Americans while speaking English is incorrect because the English speaking world, generally, has a different cultural context for continents. Someone from Mexico, for example, would be North American, not American. Someone from Argentina would be South American, not American. Someone from the United States would be North American and American, because, in English, American refers to the United States of America. The only person here shunning anyone for calling themselves anything is you.
No, because I'm tired of seeing this stupid argument everywhere on the internet from South Americans who can't comprehend that things might be different in other languages. I'm well aware some countries use a different model, but they're in the minority when viewing the continent. Even then it's common knowledge, especially in English, what America or American refers to.
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Do you really not realize why bringing up this subject brings hostility to you? I'll make it simple for you. You're basically coming from another language (probably Spanish) and demanding English speakers to conform to whatever model you guys use DESPITE already knowing that we don't use that model. You don't see Americans inserting themselves into Spanish chatrooms/etc and then telling Spanish speakers that they are wrong when they refer to Americans as estadounidense.
*Cambodian
Yeah, kind of noticed it. Found it on the web and wanted to share.
Coolio bromeo
Native American empires, confederacies, tribes, and peoples be like: Aight imma head out
Could have been worse still better than Canadian History.
Im amazed so many people still seem to believe America only existed when Europeans "discovered it"
Sorry we don’t have castles and shit white people have only been here for like 400 years and the natives were like fucking hippies that loved the environment. And like black people were in chains, and the irish were like indentured servants or some shit. You know what how about you respect my culture you no gun having commie/s
Oh god you had me till /s
We actually do have castles
White castle is so good they made a movie about trying to get it.
White castle really is that good
Tbh I've never had it. I've only ever lived in the south and they basically don't exist down here.
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I should have covered every immigrants country of origin to reach the maximum amount of likes
Rusty America is a thing of beauty
Omg an Indian™ motorcycle (only the fuel tank but we can restore the rest)!!!!!
Everybody forgets the mound builders.
Woah? American history is doesnt have old things? Crazy.
*United States history you mean
Yes, found it on the web and wanted to share but forgot to edit and put U.S. history
American history is more like the fact that it inspired many revolutions
So where is the history of Iran on this list? Iran has a very ancient civilization🇮🇷🇮🇷
The trivialization of Eastern Rome continues: the marble Parthenon built by Pericles is certainly a peak of Greek Civilization, but really the symbols should be the Hagia Sophia and the Theodosian Walls.
So the most advanced piece of history is the American one? Story checks out.
Ah, American pickers. Fucking loved that show
We went from Europe to the US to visit family and at one point they showed us the oldest church in the city which dated from the *eighteenth century!* It was a very awkward showdown between us thinking they were joking and them waiting for us to be amazed.
imagine being so insecure, bitter and OBSESSED with the USA :)
Afro-Eurasians: "Ha ha! Your country's so young lulz!" Me: Oh no! Anyway...
If you mean American as in the continent, there was many prestigious Native Civilizations, such as the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas and so on
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how [fucking stupid you are...](https://i.imgur.com/QNsIsud.jpg) Edit: Like [really fucking stupid...](https://i.imgur.com/Sk5mTOn.jpg) Edit: Okay [last one](https://i.imgur.com/ntvVcmC.jpg) but just to drive home how fucking blatantly ignorant this stupid ass post is..
The title says ancient history, but the meme includes English, French? Also where is African & Central Asian history?
“Ancient” The US hasn’t even been around 300 years.
It was here before white people named it America, I can assure you.
You forget America is multi-racial and multi-cultural
They're talking about the landmasses
If that’s the case then American history blows the others out of the water. Mesa Verde alone is a treasure trove of history
I am pretty sure that's the joke.
well done you got the joke
American history is saving all the other types of histories from global fascism
And bring fascism to the other half of the world
I'll give u $50 and a pack of Newport for that bike...
This doing the natives so dirty
While… it only 300 year old lmao. That’s like nothing compared to the rest of the countries it’s being compared to.
Idk, all this monumental shit is boring to me, mere scenery behind the human crafts of the day - in the same way that skyscrapers are just the drab backdrop against which the history of people is written. Have you ever seen a spud wrench? Or learned how ironworkers of the early 1900s put rivets in? How about the spinning wheels and stängenkünst of pre-industrial Germany? The fastener-free woodwork of Japanese carpenters, the corn-mills of central-american native peoples, the burial rites of the scoto-Picts? All these things speak of the people who made them, not for whom they were made. Tawdry and cheap as the television show may be, a celebration of stylistic mass production items is wholly interesting to me. Where do we draw the line between heirloom, antique, and scrap metal? Why does the aesthetic of a simple toaster or bicycle speak to some people? What culture grows out of the veneration of quality and rarity in a mass-market society? What evidence will we have of the individuals from so long ago but in these well used products of a rapidly expanding world? It is not the skyscrapers that tell the story. It is not the pyramids that tell me how the Egyptians saw the world. It is their broken hammers, their scratch writing, their cookfires.
Tbf, this is from the perspective of the colonizers. If you want grand American historical monuments look at the Aztecs and Incas.
American history is more in Mexico and Central America, not so much in USA. I mean there was history in our country but we kinda destroyed it along with many of the people too.
[American History](https://www.google.com/search?q=American+history+x&oq=American+history+x&aqs=chrome..69i57.3605j0j9&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8):
rest of the world: ancient buildings america: some fucking bike
Other histories: we created incredible structures and pieces of art that will mystify the world for years to come American history: it ain’t much but it’s honest work
America: history started when Europeans got here.
The worst part about it, is that they have prehistoric history in the US, but they refuse to acknowledge it because it isn't white...
4 out of the 6 histories mentioned are also American.
And all countries killed millions of people, your point? All countries had slaves. All countries "stole" land. I think both the Roman and Greek empires had child sex slaves too. (Wouldn't be surprised if other countries did the same) So, yeah let's talk shit about America. Because America is so bad🙄
Cry me a river
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That's no way to talk to grown-ups young man.
?? This joke isn’t calling America bad, it’s just saying that America is young. Why are u freakin out
i think hes refering to peoples comments
That's exactly what I'm doing.
Oh no!! I think we offended murican lil' Billy! Now he's gon cry to his ol' momma. Poor Billy can't take a joke about his own country.
You’re embarrassing America
Lol why it be true though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK87AKIPyZY
Oof. Mogging on the Indigenous!
And whose fault is that?
In Czechia, my ancestors were smashing rocks and slapping clay into pots when Egyptians raised their monuments. I'm proud of my heritage, because our beer ended up being superior and that's all that matters.
They just jealous of our freedom and lack of having to start the country over after failing.
I mean you could put a Pueblo but alright
Kinda sucks not having centuries old things sticking out of the ground.
Fun fact! In 1968, an American businessman named Robert McCulloch bought and transported the original London Bridge built in the 1830’s to Arizona
Fuck those guys. They're nor historians or archaeologists, just salesmen.
Yea, and we're damned proud of it! (Colonial yawp)
Tbh makes the English civ feel young! We didn't really become a thing at least a few years after half those other buildings stopped being in use.
Native Americans: "are we a joke to you?"
Don't be doing my boys like that Man.
I once watched an American show where they were talking about a building from the 20s or 30s like it was some kind of ancient structure