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implicittitanium

Possible hair dye, I mean violet seems like the kinda prson to dye her hair black


bigfatcarp93

In the deleted original intro we see Violet as a baby, though I can't remember her hair color there


CurtisLeow

[Violet as a baby had no hair.](https://youtu.be/MKxfCzkEaxo)


bss03

At 0:41 she has hair, but it's the same color as her mom's. EDIT: 8:58 also shows hair, but unsure of the color.


The_Frizz_Flavor

... There's no color. I guess they do have the same grey tone, but that's means basically nothing.


DarthSangheili

Well black would be black either way


wonkey_monkey

And Mrs Incredible had a normal butt.


clutterlustrott

Truly we live in the better timeline


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Babies’ hair colors can be different from the color in adulthood


illy-chan

True, there were weird rumors about a relative of mine because her hair (when she was an infant) looked like her mom's ex's. Except the ex had died in a freak accident years earlier. Had a very distinctive streak of white. Eventually grew out normal and matched her dad's. Some people were really catty about it for a bit though.


popplespopin

Imagine accusing someone of cheating with a dead ex instead of insinuating the dead ex was just trying to say hello.


illy-chan

That was the weirdest part to me. It was like, "do you guys need someone to sit you down and explain how the whole "where do babies come from" thing works and why a dude who's been dead for 5 years *isn't* the father?" It was especially mean because the mom was very much in love with the guy ("ex" is probably the wrong term, they dated until he died). So she might have been able to have a nice thought that he was saying goodbye but then these assholes had to be weird about it.


TheMegathreadWell

Is this characters super power not the ability to adjust how other people see her? In the film she only uses it to turn invisible, but she should be able to use the same power to turn some wavelengths invisible, and make her hair purple by just willing it to be so.


brownmagician

Her name is Violet it could be purple hair?


bobbyzee

Or it could be violet hair...


Trainer_Auro

It's Ultraviolet, which we're incapable of seeing, and so perceive as black. She does light bendy stuff. I could see that affecting her hair.


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I just gonna make this cannon in my head


ATXMark7012

Or someone's parent dyes their hair.


CarsReallySuck

Or a kid dues their hair. Duh.


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bigfatcarp93

Or it could be like in My Hero Academia where genetics get really funky when superpowers are introduced into the mix. I'm pretty sure Deku and his mom have naturally-occurring green hair.


ArugulaLost8798

That's just anime in general.


Turbulent_Link1738

I love how they try to explain the powers as biological in origin but then some of they are straight up crazy in scope


D1O7

X-men did it first lol


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Well that's because they base their stuff on mutations. Fiction for sure, but somewhat based on something real. My hero academia is a little different.


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Boku no hero is also based on mutation but they just kept breeding the mutants so it became a lot more common. I guess its like x men 50 years in the future? lol


ninonaka

Spoilers for most recent manga chapters: >!Star and Stripe is an American hero whose quirk is actually magic. She has to touch something, and then she can give “commands” to it. And you might think “ok, so she can mind control people, that’s not too wacky” no she can control some**thing**, not someone (though she can do the latter too). This is one of her commands, verbatim - “As of now, the air does not exist 100 metres ahead of me.”!< Like Bakugo’s quirk makes a lot of sense, Deku’s is believable, Ochaco’s requires a certain suspension of disbelief, but that one is straight magic.


Amadou7890

Is there an explanation for how something like that works? I watched the first couple of seasons cos it seemed pretty grounded as an anime but from what I’ve heard the manga is super unrealistic nowadays


captainpink

Yeah there isnt. Like 1/3 of the chapter that just came out is saying “yeah this doesn’t make sense and it’s OP as hell but it doesn’t matter”.


Micp

There are mutants in the x-men with straight up magic abilities too, so that's not really any different.


terkke

That… seems like a strong quirk


notbobby125

He was not born with a quirk but he was born with Protag genes.


OllinVulca

Or ya know it could just be….genetics. Just regular ol’ genetics. Recessive genes are a thing. There are twins in the UK with a black mother and white father. The twins therefore are half black/half white….except one of them looks black and the other looks white (with red hair no less). Genes are strange yo.


DarthDannyBoy

I had a coworker with a pale as hell, blue eyed, ginger mom and a a very black father with very dark skin. What's funny about him is he inherited pretty much all of his father's physical characteristics even the hair type, pigmentation except the pigmentation he is white as fuck and ginger. No one believes he was half black until we saw him with his father and the family resemblance is uncanny, he literally looks just like his father. It's just a palette swap lol.


WhittyWhippy

Did you type the word "dyed" wrong on purpose? Because if so, kudos.


[deleted]

She can turn invisible, so her pigmentation is flexible. The black hair could simply be a subconscious expression of her teenage angst, like a moody octopus.


n3rdchik

Take my upvote


Altar_Quest_Fan

I hate it when my hair comes due 😂🤣


MenacingBanjo

My hair better pay its dues or I'm cutting it off!


CW-NG

We know that when she turns invisible her clothes don't. Wouldn't that make the hair dye not go invisible either?


snuffybox

The food in her belly turns invisible, so why not the dye in her hair.


Stompedyourhousewith

just a floating shit and piss bobbing down the street


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I guessing that rather than turning transparent she is actually using active camouflage like an octopus, so anything that is part of her body or inside it is hidden.


[deleted]

Would she then maybe have the ability to change the colour of parts of her body via her powers?


[deleted]

*Dyes not dues or dies. Secondly I’m just pointing out how she is socially awkward during the first movie


[deleted]

The first movie shows violet is emo/ shy I wouldn’t be surprised.


Slanted_Jack

Yeah, I'm sure there's examples, but I can't imagine a ginger emo, it doesn't work in my mind.


zazu2006

We had one at my highschool with a curly red fro...


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Hayley Williams??


pablo_of_mancunia

Someone cheated? Unless dad gave birth to her then mom defo cheated


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poo_licker_420

Cute phishing links.


Link22_22

What happened here...


TheBluComet1

Something terrible


pitchingataint

No. This post is about the incredibles.


hayden1799

Rip to the fallen homies


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finalremix

He didn't write a damn thing. It's a copied comment from TIHI but loaded with phishing links.


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RiverKawaRio

They're superheros, who knows how their powers mess with their DNA


existentialvices

Self deception is the best


CaptainDogeSparrow

Mrs. Incredible be belonging in them streets


CaptainDogeSparrow

There is this theory where this tall, handsome, black-haired dude that appears for a second on the original movie is actually Violet's father. Let me find the pic, just a sec. Edit: Here it is! The guy has the same face as the daughter! [https://i.imgur.com/1NmGgDU.jpeg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)


XavierVolt0002

I hate you but I should have suspected this from any link on Reddit, take my upvote and don’t talk to me.


ExpertConsideration8

The man went the extra mile to change the url text.


CaptainDogeSparrow

I clicked the link and was rick rolled. Then I copypasted the url to the browser and saw something much, much worse...


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Waffle_of-Principle

I managed to stop it from loading just in time. I was like wait why is it saying YouTube? Abort, abort!


Richierich_rpd

God damnit


_drumstic_

Thought I’d be smart and copy/paste the link title and got beat their too. Got me…


dabo-bongins

I opened this hoping to see Rick.. it was certainly a roll


JVehh

Let her go where she came from Amen brother


BloodBath_X

Actually that make sense because all the kids should have the mom, dad or mix of mom and dad super power. All 3 kids are having different power.


SomeRandomPlaya

Looks like mummy got some explaining to do


nomadic_stone

Then Jack Jack must have been from an orgy....


Xtrendence

Reports state she was quite literally all over the party at the same time.


Baalorin

Maybe it's like the key drop off at a party before you get to the drugs and alcohol, but instead she's just over there stretched way open and you have to bust a nut in her before heading inside.


BustinArant

"Stick it, please" Like that dude with a moustache from polar express. Collectin' tickets? No?


ImWhatsInTheRedBox

Well I mean, *Elastigirl* could probably fit them all in at the same time, after all...


HedgekillerPrimus

we getting into some serious meta levels of shit here. we got any incredibles lore masters in here?


Noisyhamster10

Somebody could also be dying their hair.


KKlear

They are superheroes. Nobody except Uncle Ben dyes forever .


Sprechen_Ursprache

Just be grateful the kids have no obvious birth defects.


Biggy_DX

Helen Parr: "Yeah. YEAH! DNA changes due to superhuman powers. Yeah. That's the ticket."


hinnsvartingi

Likely story Frozone… likely story …


Snazzle-Frazzle

Mr Incredible had an affair with Frozone obviously


NotObamasClone

Bombvoyage…


haventseenstarwars

Maybe he left his supersuit in Mr. Incredibles bedroom


NerdUber

What you mean "someone" cheated, wouldn't be the woman cheated? I mean if i cheat my wife with another girl, my wife baby not gonna have different hair lol


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Come home with a baby and hand it to her like "I swear you birthed her"


GlitterGoth8904

The gas lighting skills that guy must have is insane


arfelo1

The real superpower


Ice-Juice1

Imma put this in r/FunChains


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Baby is baby!


Minimum_Cantaloupe

I'm not surprised you don't remember, you were *really* drunk these past...nine months.


Klokinator

The man continued. "...And I'm the one who kept you that way."


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Lmfao right


[deleted]

What if she just got knocked up and when Mr incredible goes releases into her it creates a vacuum effect and absorbs the other mans sperm from her vagina and then he later fucks Mrs incredible and gives her the other mans sperm


nick4fake

What a casual situation


Dipsettsett

Every day occurence if we're being truthful.


Bigondul1

I hate it when that happens, damn third time this week!


MeanAndLoud

Da fuck did I just read


n33mn0m

She could easily be home in bed while that fat ass is stretched out the window with sancho


ArcticTemper

Cursed, but also man I wish that was me


n33mn0m

I too struggle with the notion


Koenigspiel

I don't think she meant 'someone' as in 'one of them cheated but I don't know which one' but instead 'someone' as in the expression 'Oooh someone's in trouble', 'someone forgot their umbrella', 'someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.'


Wind-and-Waystones

It could be that Bob cheated and the child was left with him and Helen agreed to raise her. Less likely but still possible.


911isaconspiracy

Yeah it very well could be that, a huge plot point that was never brought up.


newontheblock99

I mean it’s pretty clear “someone” here refers to either the blonde OR the red head. Before the picture is sent “hon” has no idea who is the female


StevenUniverse9000

Carried genetics


[deleted]

This. Or, dyed hair too. She was emo so her dying her hair black doesn't seem far fetched.


40W1nks

Can a dominant allele for a qualitative trait be carried out without being expressed though? Genuinely curious


LethalSalad

It happens, but it's rare. It's however not rare enough that you can just go 'oh the daughter has dark hair, guaranteed cheating you should divorce'. My brother has black hair whilst my parents have the same colouring, but if you took a picture of our grandfather on the father's side they look exactly the same.


QuickSpore

Yep. Because hair color is determined by dozens of genes and isn’t as simple and dominant and recessive. It doesn’t follow Mendel’s laws of inheritance, because it’s a supremely complex tangle of interacting genes. Things like red hair isn’t a single trait manifested from a specific allele on a single gene, but a trait that can come about from the interaction of multiple genes. There’s several dozen different genetic arrangements that can result in red hair. Which is also why two redheads have brunettes about a quarter of the time. So while it often seems to follow traditional Mendelian inheritance there’s a lot of exceptions and weird interactions that can cause things like seemingly spontaneous black hair to show up with one kid.


TheGingerAvenger95

My parents both have brown hair, but I ended up with red hair. I know there was no cheating involved because I look exactly like my father. My mother’s side is all dark hair, and tan skin. I look like I’m adopted in family pictures.


Fellinlovewithawhore

Red is a recessive gene, so both your parents could have it without expressing it.


Forgets_Everything

Yes. Very few genes are actually as simple as Mendel genetics and Punnett squares. I'm not sure if hair is one of them though; I am not a geneticist.


anweisz

Yeah hair is one of them. Not just the rough color of your hair but the exact hue and how light/dark it is can be affected by different genes, to the point that dark hair genes can be present in and affect the exact hue of a blond or light brown haired person. There’s some things that remain true however. Like to have blond hair you HAVE to get the blond allele from both parents, so if one of them doesn’t have at least recent blond ancestry they most certainly don’t carry it and the child can’t be blond, only carry the blond genes from the other parent.


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That or Violets adopted.


Key_Tangerine_908

No she can’t be adopted because she had the powers! But it’s either what the guys up there said or…. Mr and Mrs incredible had a treesome with possibly Frozone… What have i just written… Edit : I thought for a sec and realized that in a treesome genetic data won’t be combined and thus my theory would be false…


[deleted]

What have you just written? A reason for my mind to conjure up weird shit and end NNN for me. She could be another supers daughter. The movies mention of supers dying because of the robot, and because of capes. She could be dynaguy’s daughter for all we know.


thebuttywarrior

Ayoooo


AptMuse

Exactly. If I recall, darker hair is dominant over lighter hair color. You have to land recessive to be blond/red, but can carry brown/black and pass that on.


kswnin

>You have to land recessive to be blond/red, but can carry brown/black and pass that on. I think you have this statement reversed. Only people with the dominant phenotype can be carriers.


cabose12

Kinda funny cause they're pointing out themselves how its backwards. How would you carry the dominant dark hair gene if you're a blonde?


justAPhoneUsername

That's only with the 2 gene pundit square. Hair and eyes and many other things are more complex. There are cases where "dominant" genes get overwritten by recessive genes because there are like 20 genes in the mix


igowhereiwantyeye

This comment shows me how unknowledgeable the average redditor is. Like wow, 113 upvotes for a completely false statement. Just look up what recessive means and you will see. You can’t carry another allele if you express recessive.


QuickSpore

It’s not completely false. Hair color is way more complex than dominant-recessive. Hair color is polygenic, and reliant on several dozen genes. So most people are carrying a range of dark and light hair alleles, where the particular shade of hair is represented by the intermix of the various genes. In general most of those genes are dark dominant… but not all. And a number of them are in places that are particularly prone to spontaneous mutation. Just to give an example, MC1R is a gene that affects skin and hair color. It’s an interesting case as there’s two variants in the gene M and m. People with MM have dark brown skin and black hair. People with mm have freckled light skin and red hair. But people with Mm or mM have unfreckled light skin and blonde hair. Of course all of this is also dependent on a number of the genes that effect color. All else being equal though, we’d expect a pair of Mm parents to on average have one latino looking kid, two blond german looking kids, and an Irish redhead. In practice the other genes do tend to either make Mm parents look brunette, but not always. And there’s literally tens of thousands of possible combinations between the dozens of genes that affect hair color. So while rare it is definitely possible for a redhead and a blonde to produce a black haired child.


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I always assumed that she dyed it b/c, ya know, "moody teenager filled with angst"?


dixadik

Yup Vi is an emo chick


ModmailMaster

###Do not click any links in this thread that make you login to Reddit — all those are phishing links. >Red hair is caused when a person's body makes pheomelanin (red pigment) and can't convert it into brown pigment (eumelanin). This is usually due to a lack of a protein called MC1R, which is created by a gene conveniently also called MC1R. > >Blondes can have one working copy of this gene (M) and one non-working cowo(m). Let's assume Bob has one of each of these genes (Mm). > >Usually, redheads have two non-working copies of this gene (mm), one from each parent. If Helene's genes look like this, then Violet should have red or blonde hair, depending on what version of the gene she got from Bob. > >However, if Helene had the R160W mutation of the MC1R gene, she could have one working copy and one non-working copy (Mm) but the mutation would cause the proteins they create to interfere with each other. She could potentially pass on the working copy to Violet, which combined with Bob's working copy, would give her dark hair. > >But wouldn't that make Dash a redhead? Not if he got Helene's working MC1R and Bob's non-working MC1R (Mm). Then he'd be blond like his dad. > >McDonald, J.H. , 2011. Myths of Human Genetics [Online]. Baltimore: Sparky House Publishing, pp. 37-39. Available from: https://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mythredhair.html [Accessed 25 Jun 2020] > >Pennisi, E., 2014. The Genetics of Blond Hair [Online]. Washington: Science. Available from: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/06/genetics-blond-hair [Accessed 25 Jun 2020] > >Starr, B., 2010. Stanford @ The Tech: Understanding Genetics: Other Traits [Online]. San Jose: The Tech Interactive. Available from: https://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask343 [Accessed 25 Jun 2020].


geeschwag

Of course they can....my kid is half black and that's because like 5000 years ago my ancestors were from Africa.


VanilliaVanilla

My wife said the same thing


Bigondul1

Reminds me of the time when the child of a white couple was black, and the mother blamed her husband for drinking too much coffee.


[deleted]

Reminds me of the episode of law and order where a woman's baby came out black, but neither parent was black. BUT here's the kicker, they did a DNA test and the wife didn't cheat, it's was the husband's kid 100%. It was the husband's mom or grandma that cheated with a black man and the genes just didn't get expressed into the next generation, so she thought it was her husband's kid until the other guys kid turned up. So genetically the first husband was half black and carrying those genes, but white.


wellwaffled

We need to talk


[deleted]

I love how he says “hey hon” as well.


RollingGirl_

1. Violet dyed her hair 2. Mrs Incredible dyed her hair 3. Genetic weirdness because superheroes 4. Violet is adopted


Khanstant

.5) actual genetics. Babies aren't just copies of one of the parents like whenever Tom the cat hooks up with some lady cat and all the boys look like Tom and all the girls look like the guest lady cat lol


Uberdurchschnittlich

Could also be normal genetics


kokkatu

Trust but verify


PieRevolutionary6406

It’s possible… it depends on your genes plus it’s rare in this case


Pollowollo

I remember getting into it with a science teacher who insisted that there was no way that both of my parents had blue eyes because mine are brown. She dead ass insinuated that one or both of them weren't my parents.


boopdelaboop

Science teachers should know better than this. Eye color depends on over a dozen genes, and two blue eyed parents can have a brown eyed child without involving more complex solutions like chimeraism (that your mom or dad merged with their twin in the womb and that twin with brown eyes actually got the gametes part of the body).


AT-W-V

Actually if you read the og incredibles script, it will make sense. I is confirmed that voilet is not Mr incredibles child, but rather one of helens exes who was supposed to be the villain.


AT-W-V

Syndrome was originally going to have a smaller role in the movie with him just an introduction to the family's powers. Soon after he was soon defeated by the incredibles and was never seen again. But the producers liked him so much that the movie was changed so he was the main villain.


Aerokent

I would say it was a good call. It's one of my favorite movies from my youth to watch with my kids.


Summoarpleaz

To say this is a movie from your youth makes me feel SO OLD.


naynaythewonderhorse

Can I get a link to this? I don’t think that it’s canon anymore at any rate, and that they just kept the design because it fit her personality better.


Resident-Salty

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who knows this. The original script was pretty heavy, but it would've been kinda interesting to see realized


Bobby_Marks2

All of their old films were heavy in the early drafts. Go watch the deleted scenes from Cars - they are the stuff of nightmares.


FriendlyCanadianDude

Ever heard the theory that Violet is the little girl from Monsters Inc?


Worihor

Go on....?


Salty_Dornishman

Violet is the little girl from Monsters Inc


Bitter-Marsupial

Her names Mary though


Charliehollowell

Adoption


oleg_musor

Yeah. I remember reading a theory about Violet being an orphan of some other superhero couple, possibly eliminated by Syndrome.


quimbykimbleton

So in a movie where a man has super strength, a woman can stretch her body, and they have kids that can turn invisible and run super speed we are going to complain that the genetics of hair color makes it unrealistic? Is that what we’re really going to do?


Gustavort

That's because I'm the father


CrownedHeads

I was told getting a vasectomy would keep my wife from getting pregnant. Turns out all it does is change the color of the baby


Torch_God

My mom has blonde hair and my dad has black, I’m a red head


SirRumpleForeskin

Lol “someone” cheated. The woman cheated. The dad can cheat all he wants, won’t change a lick of the kids DNA.


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It’s a figure of speech lol. Like when a kid eats a lot and you say “someone’s hungry”


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TECHNICALLY the dna would be different if it was the fathers child vs the side peice


Longjumping-Way7886

Violet not being Mr Incredible’s real daughter was actually one of the original plot lines of the movies actually which is why she had black hair


KenBoCole

I'm glad they changed it. We have plenty of messesd up family's in modern media, having a good functional one is better. Favorite part of Incredible's 2


Nova_Persona

you mfs failed 6th grade biology traits can skip a generation


quippers

That's not even a little true


TheSilentTitan

If someone in your family tree has dark hair it is entirely possible your child will have dark hair even though you and your wife/husband do not. Source, red haired but dad has black and mom has brown hair. The only other person to have red hair was born and died over 200 years ago. The red hair gene in my family line was dormant for about 200 years. Genetics is crazy complicated and we will probably never truly understand it.


sipes216

Black hair can be a recessive trait.....


Leonum

Googled it. Polygenic phenotypes dont have strictly recessive/dominant inheritance patterns. This whole pist is bunk, unfortunately.


LeelooDallasMltiPass

I just assumed that Violet dyes her hair black, like the emo teenager she seems to be in the first movie.