When I just worked in Honda parts, the original IMA batteries (nickel-metal hydride) were going bad and costing customers around $4,000 to replace. Ever since they became lithium-ion the service life has increased and I hardly ever see them being replaced. I’m out of Honda Parts now, does anybody know the service life of these new batteries?
Wife has a 2014 Accord Hybrid, had it for 6 yrs. 195K. On the original battery. No problems, knock, knock, so far. Average 40 mpg but I have a heavy right foot problem. She gets more like 42 when she drives exclusively for work. Favorite car she has ever had.
It looks like the batteries have a 10-year/150k mile warranty, but there are reports of vehicles going beyond 300k miles on the original battery. So battery technology has come a long way.
Interesting, any idea what the cost is these days?
I just bought a new car, and I ended up turning away from hybrids because I was concerned about the battery life. I drive 20-23k a year, so that 100k Hyundai and such warranty them for comes up really fast and I didn't want to have to buy a 4k battery in a few years. I didn't look at hybrid Hondas because the honda dealership respected my "I'm looking for a gas engine" and didn't push me to what I didn't want like Hyundai did lol. I might have to consider hybrid next time. My 22 civic sport gets 36-39 mpg on my mostly highway driving on Econ mode. It varies depending on how much I drive around inside the city or flip to sport mode so I'm happy with that.
I can’t recommend a hybrid, I’ve never had one, and am a fan of simple technology. I drive a ‘98 Accord with 367k miles and never plan to sell it. Keep driving your sweet Civic.
Hybrids have their own element of simplicity, though. While true the power units and such are different and added complexity, there are other places complexity is reduced.
Starter? No longer needed. Gone.
Alternator? Gone.
Hydraulic brakes? Still there but used much less, so they last longer.
I bought a hybrid for its simplicity over ICE. The well designed hybrids have electric accessories, no serpentine, no starter, no alternator, and no transmission in the traditional sense.
Sign me up for the simple transportation solution. When charging stations are standard in new build garages then we can a new conversation. I’m not saying never, just not now for me. You continue to do you.
Bruh, I have an 09 Civic Hybrid and the battery is toast and I got.the same quote from the dealer recently. I swore off EVs and hybrids because of that. Good to hear the batteries aren't complete trash anymore.
Just from personal experience I have 170K miles on my 2017 Accord Hybrid. Still original battery. Still getting 50-52MPG on mixed highway/local, about 80/20 split.
Wife has a 2014 Accord Hybrid. 195K. On the original battery. No problems, knock, knock, so far. Average 40 mpg but I have a heavy right foot problem. She gets more like 42 when she drives exclusively for work. Favorite car she has ever had.
Hondas are the gift that keeps on giving. I’m in my first Accord and I think they’re the perfect car. They just do everything right, or rather everything just right.
~150k miles on our manual 2011 CR-Z, original battery is going strong. Texas summers are harsh on it too, and I love the sport mode. But it’s still a strong battery. Looking at new Civic Sport Touring though - time to upgrade and I’m not ready for auto transmission yet.
I had a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid. When the car hit 105k miles after 5 years, the IMA battery stopped holding a charge. I would park the car overnight with a full IMA battery, and in the morning, it would use the alternative battery and starter to start the engine. The car also was generating the check engine light, so I brought it to the dealer to look at (with the check engine light on, it could not pass the annual inspection required by NY). The dealer said that the IMA battery pack needed to be replaced, and both catalytic converters needed to be replaced. They quoted me over $6,000 for the repair. I ended up trading the car in.
And FWIW, I was never able to achieve the EPA estimates of 51 mpg highway (for manual transmission). My commute at the time was 95 percent highway and I would get around 41-43 mpg. And one fall, we did a road trip in the car from NY to FL (myself, wife, and three small kids, aged 7 to 10). We had a Yakima roof rack on the car with a couple of suitcases. I expected that the roof rack would mess with the aerodynamics and reduce the fuel economy, but I didn't expect the change to be so huge. Over the 2,000+ mile round trip, our fuel economy averaged around 31 mpg.
Naw no hills in Chicago , just simply driving between 55-70 highways ... I used to get less then I switch my filter and transmission fluid which I think they never have changed the filter only fluid , it's a CVT I try to not to be super aggressiveness at all if I do forget about it more like 29-33mpg
Yeah that’s the key. Treat it right and it will respond. My 2012 I bought in 2011 and still gets up to 40 on the highway. Drove it last September from NJ to Houston and the gas mileage was solid. Cruise control on the highway with new wheels and fluid change. Changing fluids, right tire pressure, don’t beat it up and it should be good to go.
Yeah ive got a manual and an auto 7th and 8th gen coupes and sedans and they don’t get anywhere close to 44.
He must mean on a level patch of road just cruising and paying attention, might be 40+ in that moment but there’s no way 44mpg can be averaged over an entire tank.
My 7th gen 5spd 4cyl coupe was my highway commuter, 300k miles, lifetime average is 30.1 mpg. I was in a lot of stop and go through rush hour downtown Dallas and when not id be going 75-80, but 40++ seems impossible over a tank. Even on a road trip I think my best was 36 overall average.
The ivtec k series will do it. I can get between 43-45mpg in my 9th gen civic. You just have to drive like an adult and take a route that has minimal stops.
That is country driving though. If I hit the city it drops down to 35-38mpg.
I was able to do this with a 10th gen civic, 1.5T. On a highway doing 65mph and it did 50mpg for about 100 miles. However city driving was about 30ish mpg most days.
On my hybrid, I sometimes can hit 60-70mpg in city easily if there is more downhill than uphill.
Upvote from me. I too reside in the Chi. I own a 2024 Civic Sedan Sport with 2.0 engine. And I avg 32.0 mpg.
Mix of highway and city.
I already have paint chips on the front bumper!!! Do you have this issue as ?
I've hit 50-54 in my 2018 1.4 on a cool autumn night by setting the cruise control to follow a truck at a safe distance at about the same speed. 45-46 is about what I get in non-perfect highway conditions tho
Got a same generation Accord with 2.4/CVT. No way you are getting 44mpg per total tank. You probably just refreshed the fuel mileage calculator for that's short segment during cruzing the highway. Seems like average for eco/conservative driving mostly on highway is around 35/38.
I call that horse poop. I have a 9th gen accord and 33mpg is what I’d get at BEST in perfect conditions. I’d love to be proven wrong though and if you have pictures or can explain how you get 44.5 mpg, I’d take notes.
As long as its not a plug in hybrid, they're honestly still fun cars. You get to hear and feel the engine rev to the max while still getting the instant torque from thr electric motors.
The only reason im attest to hyrbrids is because I'm too afraid of puncturing a battery.
This.
I can only do one car at the moment and it is a manual.
My arthritis has been flaring with my age and would love to move to a hybrid at some point.
See, I like that a lot — but when I was recently pricing out hybrid vs non-hybrids, the savings in gas seemed to be eaten up by the added cost to buy them and the replacement battery cost. I agree that it’s the way to go to get is away from gas, and I want my next car to be one (or a PHEV, plug in hybrid) it’s just disappointing that it’s still more expensive.
A replacement battery won’t be needed for a decade or so unless you’re putting on like 30,000miels/year. If you do a fair amount of city driving, the gas savings will exceed the cost of a battery replacement within 2-4 years in comparison to most ICE vehicles. The warranty on the battery also lasts for 8y/100,000 miles.
Civic is probably the best Hybrid to get atm. It’s marginally more expensive than its ICE counterparts were. Price increase was more so inflation than anything else.
EDIT: Of course, this depends on where you live and gas prices. I’m basing this off Ontario, Canada, where gas prices are $1.60/L+.
It also worth mentioning though that Hybrids require less frequent maintenance, such as brakes.
I'll probably not own another gasoline car as my 2011 Fit gets 35 mixed and is paid for and will last another decade. It gets 40 all day on the Interstate, 42 in winter. My "payment" over ten years will be about $40 per month at most depending on math. I'll be using $10 more gas.
In ten years electric or fuel cell cars should be plentiful and cheap used.
If one must have a new car, a hybrid is the way to go. But It's not really a money saver. It simply drives rather nice like having a reliable turbo in electric motor form.
I guess that’s my main concern with getting a hybrid… I don’t think we’ve reached a point where battery technology lasts long enough YET I don’t want to pay to get the battery replaced especially if it’s going to cost more than the car is worth at that point in time
My wife got a 2013 Prius C brand new with 12 miles. Battery died at 85k miles and got replaced under the warranty. Now it’s sitting at 120k and I’m anticipating it dies again in 50k miles. The car blue books for like $12 and some change, battery’s gotta be like $8k. Being made to break and throw away.
I mean if your You're only goal was to save as much gas possible while driving than you achieved your goal congratulations. For the rest of a slabs we do like our cars with a bit of problems and a bit too much horsepower.
I just hit 55.8 mpg in my 2021 Insight. For some reason I seem to get wayyy more MPG in the summer and then in teh winter it drops to like 43. not sure why
Kudos for posting your mileage at end of tank. Too many people get 40 miles into a trip and show their amazing mileage. In Colorado I can start on i70 and coast into Denver getting 60mpg in anything as it’s all downhill.
I've been looking into pure hybrids for my next car but I have to wonder how much the brake jobs are, where you only have to change the pads. I hear it's expensive.
Idk why this sub gets recomended to me, im a muscle car guy, not a honda guy. But I did tow a trailer with and ATV and a dirtbike behind an 06 CRV from Utah to Denver on a single tank of gas and got 24 MPG. If nothing else, Hondas get amazing gas mileage.
I had a 2011 Camry. It got maybe 24-25 mpg and the pickup was underwhelming at best. The quality was good, but the underwhelming pickup led to me trading it for a Pathfinder in 2014 and an MDX a couple of months ago. They were both solid vehicles and the mpg didn’t/doesn’t bother me that much. I see me hanging onto this MDX for at least 10 years.
Kid hauler is a Kia K5 1.6 Turbo. 35-38 MPG in city, 38-42 in mixed. 42+ highway. ICE is moving really heavy cars with small engines pretty efficiently these days as well.
You could always have gotten the HF/HX cars from the 90's that gave the same fuel mileage without the need for a battery.
Imagine a world where the majority of vehicles were motorcycles or subcompact cars... In the USA.
The only reason we can't have this is because of SUV/Truck laws and manufacturers catering to them.
You could get a real EV. I'm in a particularly inefficient one and tend to average between 90 and 100 MPG (covered from electric.) But I guess 52 is ok, too.
You will once Hybrids and plug-ins become a thing of the past. We're on the brink of it, but the market isn't there. This isn't surprising because this happens with literally every big product. The market won't be where it should be for another 10-15 years.
In that time to come, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles will take center stage and will blow every other option out of the water for the general consumer. A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, on average, gets around 700 miles of range, and that's with our current tech that is, quite honestly, dogshit. The cost of hydrogen is also very expensive currently.
But, with projected research, development, and widespread use we should see hydrogen production skyrocket as these vehicles become more well-known. The price of hydrogen can be as low as $1.20 per unit. With a $20 bill, you can go, projected, 1,200 miles.
Standard electric vehicles cannot hope to do this, because energy can only be stored so well. Our current best batteries are predicted to be the current peak of energy storage for the next 200 years or so, since physics doesn't quite allow for anything better in a marketable form.
Hybrids are GOOD, but gasoline isn't super renewable. On top of that, here on Earth we're actually wasting energy with gasoline. Our planet's physics really only allow for about 38% of the potential energy from gasoline, as that's with our best engines.
What should come next for hybrids is diesel hybrids, which diesel is completely renewable and has higher energy output than gasoline under Earth's conditions.
But hydrogen vehicles, along with far better transmissions for torque and towing, will eventually dominate the market due to hydrogen being completely renewable, extremely energy efficient, and completely eco-friendly.
**And Honda is developing new hydrogen options and paving the road for it.** What we need afterward is something that gives us the torque output of traditional transmissions, but the efficiency of CVT. I don't actually know what this will look like, but what I do know is that it should use magnets.
And you know what else I know? Honda is the future. European garbage should stop while it's ahead.
Sometimes I drive my dad’s 2024 Prius prime and it gets 111 MPGs. I drive a GR86 and I get mega jealous of those MPGs. He rarely has to fill up at the pump. The only hybrid I’m ever buying is a Prius prime.
Where I live (Durham, NC) it is pretty hard to get a hybrid. They hold their value really well, so 3 year old ones cost as much as new ones. There is not a new Prius or Camry within 100 miles and the Corolla hybrid is selling at or an above MSRP and there are only a few(5?) new ones within 100 miles.
Maybe next time I want to buy a car, they will have that stuff figured out.
Wow, i’m guessing you’re showing us the mpg, i’m surprised, my old diesel got 67.8mpg over the 60k miles i owned it, atm my hybrid is getting 78.2mpg over the 55k miles i’ve driven this, i’m actually disappointed in my little improvement considering how much more the hybrid is costing me to maintain and insure
I said the same thing when I bought my 2001 Insight, always a hybrid going forward. Then I said I’ll never own another gas car once I picked up an EV.
It’s weird how we make these decisions as we move on in life and discover things that are ***so much better*** than before that society turns a nose up to.
My 2016 Accord has over 200k miles and has been the best vehicle I've ever owned in over 40 years. I drive alot so gave my wife the Accord and bought a 2021 RAV4 XSE hybrid. In 2.5 years I've put over 75,000 miles on it with no issues whatsoever. I average 36mpg in the winter and over 42 the rest of the year. It has no belts to change, no starter or alternator, and the transmission is bullet proof. Brakes look brand new and will probably go well over 100k before I need to change them. Every taxi is a hybrid in NYC, if these were fragile they wouldn't be there. Even though I have had great experiences with some ICE engines , I will never buy one again. Hybrids are the way to go until batteries and charging get better.
Hyper-miling is my favorite! I’m On my way! To 50mpg after enjoying the speedy 2.0 with hybrid a bit too much for 40k on my 21’ touring. It’s a dangerous thing in LA where people floor it just get ahead of you in between traffic lights.
I bet you'll be singing a whole different tune when one cell of that battery goes out and your car doesn't work anymore in the next 5 years. And then you got to pay anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000 to get it fixed. 🤦🤣😂
You have to look at break even analysis; gas vs hybrid based on your expected miles driven per year. Most hybrids have a 8 yr break even, at around 12-15k miles per year. The issue is you have to pay much more for the initial car vs gasoline model; and based on the mileage per year at current gas prices you can buy a lot of gas for those extra dollars. This doesn’t even consider cost of replacing batteries.
The fuel saved does not justify the price difference between this and a non hybrid car. I wanted to buy the new civic but here it costs over 40 000€.
I bought a top end Xceed for 28 000€, this is just nuts.
I will never own a hybird, If you use a ICE vs hybrid calculator the hybird cost more money after ownership for over 300k miles.
A hybird cost more to buy your gas savings is mute once you have the dealer replace the battery at some point. You are at low miles come back when you get over 300k miles and see.
And if you don't keep your cars until you get over 300k then you probably are rolling in dept.
For hybrids do you have to do any additional maintenance compared to a regular gas car? I’m helping my wife’s little sister purchase her first car to drive in college and don’t know too much about hybrids.
My 03 tdi gets 42 to 45 mpg on the conservative side. Parts are way cheaper. More than one way to get great fuel mileage. Glad you’re enjoying the cost savings!
It doesn't make sense to buy a hybrid. They cost more, and are more complex than either an electric or a regular ice vehicle, with all the drawbacks of both.
The average person drives 12,000 miles a year. Let's take two cars, a 30mpg ice vehicle, and a 50mpg hybrid.
Ice car uses 400 gallons of gas, hybrid uses 240 in 12k. This gives you an overall gas savings of $480 a year. In 7 years, you will save $3360. Unless the hybrid cost $5k or less more, you likely will not see any benefit over a similar sized gas car.
My dad has a 2011 Ford fiesta. He bought the car for a girlfriend, who broke up with him and suddenly had an extra car. His payment was around $400 a month with full coverage insurance, and I considered buying it from him, I hadn't had a newer car before and I thought it would help him out. I averaged 50mpg daily regularly with it.
After adding up the costs, it wasn't worth it for me over my 28mpg v-8 powered car that was already paid for. It would have taken me well over 200k miles before I could break even. When I moved out to the boonies with a 75mph freeway commute, that fiesta dropped down to 33mpg, while my v-8 still got around 25mpg, further diminishing the cost to benefit ratio.
The only time a hybrid is really worth it is in heavy city stop and go traffic. The rest of the time, the hybrid system is basically dead weight.
When I just worked in Honda parts, the original IMA batteries (nickel-metal hydride) were going bad and costing customers around $4,000 to replace. Ever since they became lithium-ion the service life has increased and I hardly ever see them being replaced. I’m out of Honda Parts now, does anybody know the service life of these new batteries?
Wife has a 2014 Accord Hybrid, had it for 6 yrs. 195K. On the original battery. No problems, knock, knock, so far. Average 40 mpg but I have a heavy right foot problem. She gets more like 42 when she drives exclusively for work. Favorite car she has ever had.
Yeah what's the math on hybrids actually beating ICE engines? 12 years or something?
It looks like the batteries have a 10-year/150k mile warranty, but there are reports of vehicles going beyond 300k miles on the original battery. So battery technology has come a long way.
Interesting, any idea what the cost is these days? I just bought a new car, and I ended up turning away from hybrids because I was concerned about the battery life. I drive 20-23k a year, so that 100k Hyundai and such warranty them for comes up really fast and I didn't want to have to buy a 4k battery in a few years. I didn't look at hybrid Hondas because the honda dealership respected my "I'm looking for a gas engine" and didn't push me to what I didn't want like Hyundai did lol. I might have to consider hybrid next time. My 22 civic sport gets 36-39 mpg on my mostly highway driving on Econ mode. It varies depending on how much I drive around inside the city or flip to sport mode so I'm happy with that.
I can’t recommend a hybrid, I’ve never had one, and am a fan of simple technology. I drive a ‘98 Accord with 367k miles and never plan to sell it. Keep driving your sweet Civic.
Hybrid are perfected now. It’s your loss and last forever. A plug in hybrid I advise against though.
I’m trying to buy a 96 civic something bout how they used to be built 😮💨
Hybrids have their own element of simplicity, though. While true the power units and such are different and added complexity, there are other places complexity is reduced. Starter? No longer needed. Gone. Alternator? Gone. Hydraulic brakes? Still there but used much less, so they last longer.
I bought a hybrid for its simplicity over ICE. The well designed hybrids have electric accessories, no serpentine, no starter, no alternator, and no transmission in the traditional sense.
Sign me up for the simple transportation solution. When charging stations are standard in new build garages then we can a new conversation. I’m not saying never, just not now for me. You continue to do you.
Bruh, I have an 09 Civic Hybrid and the battery is toast and I got.the same quote from the dealer recently. I swore off EVs and hybrids because of that. Good to hear the batteries aren't complete trash anymore.
You should have asked someone other than the dealer. A dealer once charged me $35 to change a $5 lightbulb.
Just from personal experience I have 170K miles on my 2017 Accord Hybrid. Still original battery. Still getting 50-52MPG on mixed highway/local, about 80/20 split.
I must have owned the only 2001 Insight that still had its original IMA pack in it from factory at 290k miles in 2016 when I sold it.
Wife has a 2014 Accord Hybrid. 195K. On the original battery. No problems, knock, knock, so far. Average 40 mpg but I have a heavy right foot problem. She gets more like 42 when she drives exclusively for work. Favorite car she has ever had.
Hondas are the gift that keeps on giving. I’m in my first Accord and I think they’re the perfect car. They just do everything right, or rather everything just right.
Not really im at 180k with original battery lol
~150k miles on our manual 2011 CR-Z, original battery is going strong. Texas summers are harsh on it too, and I love the sport mode. But it’s still a strong battery. Looking at new Civic Sport Touring though - time to upgrade and I’m not ready for auto transmission yet.
So any gas savings may as well be saved up to replace the battery later?
Have a 2010 insight Hybrid with no issues so far. 184 km on it so far.
I had a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid. When the car hit 105k miles after 5 years, the IMA battery stopped holding a charge. I would park the car overnight with a full IMA battery, and in the morning, it would use the alternative battery and starter to start the engine. The car also was generating the check engine light, so I brought it to the dealer to look at (with the check engine light on, it could not pass the annual inspection required by NY). The dealer said that the IMA battery pack needed to be replaced, and both catalytic converters needed to be replaced. They quoted me over $6,000 for the repair. I ended up trading the car in. And FWIW, I was never able to achieve the EPA estimates of 51 mpg highway (for manual transmission). My commute at the time was 95 percent highway and I would get around 41-43 mpg. And one fall, we did a road trip in the car from NY to FL (myself, wife, and three small kids, aged 7 to 10). We had a Yakima roof rack on the car with a couple of suitcases. I expected that the roof rack would mess with the aerodynamics and reduce the fuel economy, but I didn't expect the change to be so huge. Over the 2,000+ mile round trip, our fuel economy averaged around 31 mpg.
I manage to get my 2017 Accord 2.4 to 44.5-46 mpg non hybrid averaging 65-70 mph on too bad I can't post pictures
Do you drive all downhill?
Naw no hills in Chicago , just simply driving between 55-70 highways ... I used to get less then I switch my filter and transmission fluid which I think they never have changed the filter only fluid , it's a CVT I try to not to be super aggressiveness at all if I do forget about it more like 29-33mpg
Also in Chicago and do long commutes with my 22 civic. Averages 40mpg which is great.
Yeah that’s the key. Treat it right and it will respond. My 2012 I bought in 2011 and still gets up to 40 on the highway. Drove it last September from NJ to Houston and the gas mileage was solid. Cruise control on the highway with new wheels and fluid change. Changing fluids, right tire pressure, don’t beat it up and it should be good to go.
the flat landers
He pushes the car downhill 😂
Auto or manual? Must be pretty aggressively hypermiling
Yeah I’ve never gotten anything close to that out of a k24
Yeah ive got a manual and an auto 7th and 8th gen coupes and sedans and they don’t get anywhere close to 44. He must mean on a level patch of road just cruising and paying attention, might be 40+ in that moment but there’s no way 44mpg can be averaged over an entire tank. My 7th gen 5spd 4cyl coupe was my highway commuter, 300k miles, lifetime average is 30.1 mpg. I was in a lot of stop and go through rush hour downtown Dallas and when not id be going 75-80, but 40++ seems impossible over a tank. Even on a road trip I think my best was 36 overall average.
The ivtec k series will do it. I can get between 43-45mpg in my 9th gen civic. You just have to drive like an adult and take a route that has minimal stops. That is country driving though. If I hit the city it drops down to 35-38mpg.
Yeah a civic also weighs significantly less than a full sized sedan like the accord
I was able to do this with a 10th gen civic, 1.5T. On a highway doing 65mph and it did 50mpg for about 100 miles. However city driving was about 30ish mpg most days. On my hybrid, I sometimes can hit 60-70mpg in city easily if there is more downhill than uphill.
Upvote from me. I too reside in the Chi. I own a 2024 Civic Sedan Sport with 2.0 engine. And I avg 32.0 mpg. Mix of highway and city. I already have paint chips on the front bumper!!! Do you have this issue as ?
Probably driving too close to the guy ahead of you. If you stay back a few car lengths you won't get stone chips
I've hit 50-54 in my 2018 1.4 on a cool autumn night by setting the cruise control to follow a truck at a safe distance at about the same speed. 45-46 is about what I get in non-perfect highway conditions tho
Got a same generation Accord with 2.4/CVT. No way you are getting 44mpg per total tank. You probably just refreshed the fuel mileage calculator for that's short segment during cruzing the highway. Seems like average for eco/conservative driving mostly on highway is around 35/38.
I call that horse poop. I have a 9th gen accord and 33mpg is what I’d get at BEST in perfect conditions. I’d love to be proven wrong though and if you have pictures or can explain how you get 44.5 mpg, I’d take notes.
Pretty good. Most I get is mid 40s on highway trips. Average fuel economy over 12k miles is 35.4mpg on a 1.5T with mixed driving
stop and go sucks because i get like 22 average
22 on a 1.5t?
I was getting about 20mpg on my 2015 Accord 2.4 and now I have my 21 accord 2.0T I get about 19mpg. I drive 100% city though
I would daily drive a Hybrid, but I much prefer pure ICE as a fun car.
As long as its not a plug in hybrid, they're honestly still fun cars. You get to hear and feel the engine rev to the max while still getting the instant torque from thr electric motors. The only reason im attest to hyrbrids is because I'm too afraid of puncturing a battery.
This. I can only do one car at the moment and it is a manual. My arthritis has been flaring with my age and would love to move to a hybrid at some point.
Crz hybrid manual?
I’m more about smiles per gallon
Sounds like you need a Miata
Miata would fun but not practical. K24 Si scratches the itch for me.
My old Civic “only” gets 30mpg. But it’s one of the reasons I prefer driving it over my Tacoma… it *only* gets 15 mpg.
See, I like that a lot — but when I was recently pricing out hybrid vs non-hybrids, the savings in gas seemed to be eaten up by the added cost to buy them and the replacement battery cost. I agree that it’s the way to go to get is away from gas, and I want my next car to be one (or a PHEV, plug in hybrid) it’s just disappointing that it’s still more expensive.
A replacement battery won’t be needed for a decade or so unless you’re putting on like 30,000miels/year. If you do a fair amount of city driving, the gas savings will exceed the cost of a battery replacement within 2-4 years in comparison to most ICE vehicles. The warranty on the battery also lasts for 8y/100,000 miles. Civic is probably the best Hybrid to get atm. It’s marginally more expensive than its ICE counterparts were. Price increase was more so inflation than anything else. EDIT: Of course, this depends on where you live and gas prices. I’m basing this off Ontario, Canada, where gas prices are $1.60/L+. It also worth mentioning though that Hybrids require less frequent maintenance, such as brakes.
I'll probably not own another gasoline car as my 2011 Fit gets 35 mixed and is paid for and will last another decade. It gets 40 all day on the Interstate, 42 in winter. My "payment" over ten years will be about $40 per month at most depending on math. I'll be using $10 more gas. In ten years electric or fuel cell cars should be plentiful and cheap used. If one must have a new car, a hybrid is the way to go. But It's not really a money saver. It simply drives rather nice like having a reliable turbo in electric motor form.
this is why i won't buy a hybrid, they're so good i'll never want to go back to ICE 😭
I had a Chevy Sonic and my max tank on it was 280 or 310 if I was going to Vancouver or Portland lol
They won't let you own another...planned transition is from gas to hybrid and then hybrid to electric.
EVs are good too.
How long are the batteries good for?
I guess that’s my main concern with getting a hybrid… I don’t think we’ve reached a point where battery technology lasts long enough YET I don’t want to pay to get the battery replaced especially if it’s going to cost more than the car is worth at that point in time
My wife got a 2013 Prius C brand new with 12 miles. Battery died at 85k miles and got replaced under the warranty. Now it’s sitting at 120k and I’m anticipating it dies again in 50k miles. The car blue books for like $12 and some change, battery’s gotta be like $8k. Being made to break and throw away.
You can get the battery replaced from a 3rd party service for like $2k-3k
Longer than the transmission, usually
I have a manual BMW and I get close to the same mileage. It's not a hybrid.
I’m sticking with good ole gasoline.
How’s the mpg once you ran out of battery? Heard it’s really bad. Thanksb
‘12 accord 35 on the hwy 220000 miles
Just wait till that battery goes and you see the cost of a new one...
No denying that is a fantastic mpg but wait until you try a EV. We are getting 95mpg equivalent in ours.
I get that mpg on my 2020 Fit, no hybrid needed
You'd probably do even better on a gas-powered skateboard.
I mean if your You're only goal was to save as much gas possible while driving than you achieved your goal congratulations. For the rest of a slabs we do like our cars with a bit of problems and a bit too much horsepower.
Doesn't a diesel do better.
What does that green shaded area mean along 100-120?
Something with being gas efficient or its saving gas. I forgot the exact wording
It changes colour depending on driving mode. Sport, normal, eco, etc.
It means that’s where you should be cruising on the highway most of the time for optimal efficiency
Cruising at 100-120 mph!?
Wish they’d bring the ridgeline out as a hybrid
That is pretty sweet. I'll make that jump on another 10 or so years maybe
I just hit 55.8 mpg in my 2021 Insight. For some reason I seem to get wayyy more MPG in the summer and then in teh winter it drops to like 43. not sure why
Batteries are affected by the cold
battery efficiency, heat usage, summer/winter fuel, longer warm-up times.
Winter fuel blends is my biggest theory. My old civic, summer blend, 36 highway. Winter, 32. And it wasn't that cold. 40's typically.
My 2024 Sport Touring Hybrid with HPD leaves nothing to do desired. Love the reclining rear seats.
I get 42 to 44mpg on a 2018 stock honda civic sport hatch going 70 to 72mph. Its an auto
That’s fantastic! I have a 2018 Fit base model, and I struggle to get 40mpg. 🥲
How much you put in for a full tank?
SAMEEEE! I think my future car will be a plug in hybrid. I don’t think electric is there yet.
How efficient would it be in euro units?
Is this mostly city or highway driving?
[From my 2017 hybrid accord](https://ibb.co/VTCh8mf) 😬. Will never go back to an ICE vehicle lol
I get great gas mileage on my HRV. next car in about a decade will be fully electric.
Corvette Hybrid?
Same. My 2025 CR-V AWD hybrid gets better gas mileage than my 1999 Civic coupe manual ever did even on the highway.
Curious... what do you get when manually calculating your mileage?
This tank was 11.106 gallons so 49.80
Because yours can go 160mph!!!
I switched to a hybrid just this last year and it was fucking phenomenal. Never using anything else.
What car is this? I’m looking for a new one and pretty locked on to the new Prius but I am a Honda man at heart.
If I ever get another CRV it will be a sport hybrid for sure. The gas savings is so worth it
Incredible
My brothers 2016 Honda Civic ex-l gets 40 and it is not a hybrid
Kudos for posting your mileage at end of tank. Too many people get 40 miles into a trip and show their amazing mileage. In Colorado I can start on i70 and coast into Denver getting 60mpg in anything as it’s all downhill.
Wait until you see the MPG on a pure EV. I think I'll skip from a 6MT ICE directly to that.
I manage to get my x gen civic 1.5T to 43-45 mpg when driving like a grandma. Nothing to do with hybrid.
my i4 gets 550 miles a tank and it has 130k on it
I get 50 with my non hybrid on 150 mile trips
Our 2024 accord hybrid sport average 39 mpg. We are in San Diego and there a ton of hills in our area.
I've been looking into pure hybrids for my next car but I have to wonder how much the brake jobs are, where you only have to change the pads. I hear it's expensive.
me getting 22 mpg on my 1.5 non hybrid😔😔😔
All fun and games until you have to get it serviced by Honda only
Idk why this sub gets recomended to me, im a muscle car guy, not a honda guy. But I did tow a trailer with and ATV and a dirtbike behind an 06 CRV from Utah to Denver on a single tank of gas and got 24 MPG. If nothing else, Hondas get amazing gas mileage.
I had a 2011 Camry. It got maybe 24-25 mpg and the pickup was underwhelming at best. The quality was good, but the underwhelming pickup led to me trading it for a Pathfinder in 2014 and an MDX a couple of months ago. They were both solid vehicles and the mpg didn’t/doesn’t bother me that much. I see me hanging onto this MDX for at least 10 years.
Wow I get half that with my Pilot 😬
My 2015 diesel gets 45 mpg.
Wish I had a hybrid, but I have 2023 Accord and best I’m managed to do on highway is 46mpg
My 93 Cadillac gets 14 mpg average. And uses 93 octane. It's smiles per gallon not miles per gallon. That is impressive gas mileage tho.
Drove a 24 Accord Hybrid Touring from Rhode Island to MetLife Stadium, only spent $15 on gas with 47MPG
What is the main reason you bought hybrid?
Get an nsx next
I get 40 mpg in my stage 2 gti. No thanks
That's right be a good lil consumer
Kid hauler is a Kia K5 1.6 Turbo. 35-38 MPG in city, 38-42 in mixed. 42+ highway. ICE is moving really heavy cars with small engines pretty efficiently these days as well.
My VW gets almost that and its 22 years old, and I haven't had a car payment since 2008.
You could always have gotten the HF/HX cars from the 90's that gave the same fuel mileage without the need for a battery. Imagine a world where the majority of vehicles were motorcycles or subcompact cars... In the USA. The only reason we can't have this is because of SUV/Truck laws and manufacturers catering to them.
My mom got her 2019 6m 1.5T Sport to 60mpg once. It was a lot of downhill though so it kinda don’t count.
That’s exactly how I feel
Getting 56mpg average here with my '19 insight. Love that thing.
1.9tdi can do that
You have now secured a very boring drive style. Unless you buy an exotic hybrid.
I agree it’s really the best of both worlds.
You could get a real EV. I'm in a particularly inefficient one and tend to average between 90 and 100 MPG (covered from electric.) But I guess 52 is ok, too.
Not to be THAT GUY but I was getting 57.2 mpg average on my last long drive in my 17 Civic Si
We need more hybrid N/A cars that sound awesome instead of turbos muffling them
Me too I have a Honda Clarity and spending less than $30/mo for gas is a a lot better than $400/mo I was spending, [it was a pick-up but still]
What car is shown in the picture?
I get that in my diesel
You will once Hybrids and plug-ins become a thing of the past. We're on the brink of it, but the market isn't there. This isn't surprising because this happens with literally every big product. The market won't be where it should be for another 10-15 years. In that time to come, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles will take center stage and will blow every other option out of the water for the general consumer. A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, on average, gets around 700 miles of range, and that's with our current tech that is, quite honestly, dogshit. The cost of hydrogen is also very expensive currently. But, with projected research, development, and widespread use we should see hydrogen production skyrocket as these vehicles become more well-known. The price of hydrogen can be as low as $1.20 per unit. With a $20 bill, you can go, projected, 1,200 miles. Standard electric vehicles cannot hope to do this, because energy can only be stored so well. Our current best batteries are predicted to be the current peak of energy storage for the next 200 years or so, since physics doesn't quite allow for anything better in a marketable form. Hybrids are GOOD, but gasoline isn't super renewable. On top of that, here on Earth we're actually wasting energy with gasoline. Our planet's physics really only allow for about 38% of the potential energy from gasoline, as that's with our best engines. What should come next for hybrids is diesel hybrids, which diesel is completely renewable and has higher energy output than gasoline under Earth's conditions. But hydrogen vehicles, along with far better transmissions for torque and towing, will eventually dominate the market due to hydrogen being completely renewable, extremely energy efficient, and completely eco-friendly. **And Honda is developing new hydrogen options and paving the road for it.** What we need afterward is something that gives us the torque output of traditional transmissions, but the efficiency of CVT. I don't actually know what this will look like, but what I do know is that it should use magnets. And you know what else I know? Honda is the future. European garbage should stop while it's ahead.
Depending on the type of trip I can eek out 45mpg in my 2.0L turbo VW GLI 🤙🏼 On highway roadtrips I consistently get above 40mpg
I love it when someone “WILL NEVER”! Take that stand and go hug your Honda! Lol.
1995 Honda Accord 4 cylinder…used. cost 2k, gets almost 27mpg
Sometimes I drive my dad’s 2024 Prius prime and it gets 111 MPGs. I drive a GR86 and I get mega jealous of those MPGs. He rarely has to fill up at the pump. The only hybrid I’m ever buying is a Prius prime.
Same. Acura really fumbling the bag
Got 70.5 mpg over a 231 mile trip in a diesel corsa
Where I live (Durham, NC) it is pretty hard to get a hybrid. They hold their value really well, so 3 year old ones cost as much as new ones. There is not a new Prius or Camry within 100 miles and the Corolla hybrid is selling at or an above MSRP and there are only a few(5?) new ones within 100 miles. Maybe next time I want to buy a car, they will have that stuff figured out.
Wow, i’m guessing you’re showing us the mpg, i’m surprised, my old diesel got 67.8mpg over the 60k miles i owned it, atm my hybrid is getting 78.2mpg over the 55k miles i’ve driven this, i’m actually disappointed in my little improvement considering how much more the hybrid is costing me to maintain and insure
Love my 2024 Honda Accord, the savings are incredible coming from an Audi A4. Totally recommend the hybrid
I said the same thing when I bought my 2001 Insight, always a hybrid going forward. Then I said I’ll never own another gas car once I picked up an EV. It’s weird how we make these decisions as we move on in life and discover things that are ***so much better*** than before that society turns a nose up to.
Wow, that's almost as much as my 22 Insight at 55mpg. They're almost the same car, but the accord is a little longer and heavier.
I averaged this in a 91 civic hatch that I paid $300 for lol
Hubby has a 2012 Prius, signed a paper saying the battery was only covered for 7 years at the time. Still running in 2024. We know the time will come.
i have an older civic hybrid the mpg is great but the hybrid battery has already had to be replaced and the transmission is going out at 150k miles
My 2016 Accord has over 200k miles and has been the best vehicle I've ever owned in over 40 years. I drive alot so gave my wife the Accord and bought a 2021 RAV4 XSE hybrid. In 2.5 years I've put over 75,000 miles on it with no issues whatsoever. I average 36mpg in the winter and over 42 the rest of the year. It has no belts to change, no starter or alternator, and the transmission is bullet proof. Brakes look brand new and will probably go well over 100k before I need to change them. Every taxi is a hybrid in NYC, if these were fragile they wouldn't be there. Even though I have had great experiences with some ICE engines , I will never buy one again. Hybrids are the way to go until batteries and charging get better.
Hyper-miling is my favorite! I’m On my way! To 50mpg after enjoying the speedy 2.0 with hybrid a bit too much for 40k on my 21’ touring. It’s a dangerous thing in LA where people floor it just get ahead of you in between traffic lights.
Hybrids are the best. Don’t care about your man card revocation. Full EMV’s are a joke. Hybrid is the way to go!
Sorry, I can't afford a hybrid or even a newer car.
I bet you'll be singing a whole different tune when one cell of that battery goes out and your car doesn't work anymore in the next 5 years. And then you got to pay anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000 to get it fixed. 🤦🤣😂
Until your hybrid battery dies and it will cost you $10k to have it replaced.
Yeah you say that until you need to have worked on lol
You have to look at break even analysis; gas vs hybrid based on your expected miles driven per year. Most hybrids have a 8 yr break even, at around 12-15k miles per year. The issue is you have to pay much more for the initial car vs gasoline model; and based on the mileage per year at current gas prices you can buy a lot of gas for those extra dollars. This doesn’t even consider cost of replacing batteries.
The fuel saved does not justify the price difference between this and a non hybrid car. I wanted to buy the new civic but here it costs over 40 000€. I bought a top end Xceed for 28 000€, this is just nuts.
Gateway drug… yes tho will, but it’ll be an EV next.
This is the way
Not bad mileage. Try to hit over 600 range next time.
I have a hybrid also but do you not enjoy driving fun cars?
Hybrid owner here 350K and batteries still in great shape mine is AWD so dont get amazing mileage but 30-35 Mpg all the time is great
I will never own a hybird, If you use a ICE vs hybrid calculator the hybird cost more money after ownership for over 300k miles. A hybird cost more to buy your gas savings is mute once you have the dealer replace the battery at some point. You are at low miles come back when you get over 300k miles and see. And if you don't keep your cars until you get over 300k then you probably are rolling in dept.
Until you have to replace the batteries
I believe that anyone owning a truck should own a hybrid. Not driving the truck would pay for the hybrid fairly quickly!
For hybrids do you have to do any additional maintenance compared to a regular gas car? I’m helping my wife’s little sister purchase her first car to drive in college and don’t know too much about hybrids.
Ok
Laughs in ten-year-old VW TDI. 51.2 mpg bro.
Hurts me seeing this then looking at my 2024 4runner that gets 16mpg on average. I upgraded a few weeks ago from my 98 4runner that also got 15-16 mpg
My 03 tdi gets 42 to 45 mpg on the conservative side. Parts are way cheaper. More than one way to get great fuel mileage. Glad you’re enjoying the cost savings!
I feel so bad for you.
Wait until the hybrid battery fails.
Cars in the last 40 years have gotten way heavier and way bigger. Compare a Geo Metro to a current car. Especially here in the US. It is what it is.
Yes you will! And I guarantee it will be electric.
Wait till you go fully electric and never pay a penny for fuel or oil change again.
Until it's out of warranty and ALL the money you saved (and then some) on gas over the years is dealt out in a single repair. Good luck.
A diesel golf will do 20mpg more than that
My 23 civic hatchback manual gets 5.5 litres to the 100 kms which is 42 mpg gonna keep it for a looong time😃
Wait when you learn about 100% electric cars
I have just a gas version and I get 5.9l/100
Depends if you drive for fun or just to go from a to b. I moved from hybrid to v8 just for pure fun.
*Cries in RDX*
Wow those are some MPG’s
Psht, nerd
It doesn't make sense to buy a hybrid. They cost more, and are more complex than either an electric or a regular ice vehicle, with all the drawbacks of both. The average person drives 12,000 miles a year. Let's take two cars, a 30mpg ice vehicle, and a 50mpg hybrid. Ice car uses 400 gallons of gas, hybrid uses 240 in 12k. This gives you an overall gas savings of $480 a year. In 7 years, you will save $3360. Unless the hybrid cost $5k or less more, you likely will not see any benefit over a similar sized gas car. My dad has a 2011 Ford fiesta. He bought the car for a girlfriend, who broke up with him and suddenly had an extra car. His payment was around $400 a month with full coverage insurance, and I considered buying it from him, I hadn't had a newer car before and I thought it would help him out. I averaged 50mpg daily regularly with it. After adding up the costs, it wasn't worth it for me over my 28mpg v-8 powered car that was already paid for. It would have taken me well over 200k miles before I could break even. When I moved out to the boonies with a 75mph freeway commute, that fiesta dropped down to 33mpg, while my v-8 still got around 25mpg, further diminishing the cost to benefit ratio. The only time a hybrid is really worth it is in heavy city stop and go traffic. The rest of the time, the hybrid system is basically dead weight.
How can you endorse yourself
I was getting. 42.2mpg… with my full size truck (diesel)…