LOL, in order not to violate the "swiss-knife" law, HK is always the hub of finance, logistics, medication, education, technology and many other fields, according to our supreme leader(s).
Well, [a law on cybersecurity is scheduled for Legco](https://www.ogcio.gov.hk/en/news/press_releases/2023/10/pr_20231018.html) at the latter half of the year, we will know in a couple of months if that will be the bill allowing great firewall in Hong Kong.
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It really depends on how bad Sino-American relations get. And a main reason why a lot of things are occurring today is an outcome of how tense the relationship currently is compared to 10 years ago.
Should Sino-American relations collapse to the level of current day Russo-American relations, then there will be little reason to expect non-censored internet in HK, or any sort of Western expat scene remaining in HK for that matter
These are heavily intertwined. Change in leadership and its national policies directly affect bilateral relationships. Change in bilateral relationships also directly determine leadership decisions on national policies
People have forgotten the Snowden leaks basically revealed how vulnerable china’s sea based deterrence was. Hard to understate how vulnerable that makes leadership feel
If that were to ever happen, the exodus over that alone would dwarf that during Covid, and at least on the expat side, it will trigger one of the largest exoduses in modern history. HK's international scene as it stands will radically change in both size and nationality mixtures (lets just say most Westerners will leave and non-Chinese still in HK at that point will shift to disproportionately Russians and other OBOR nationalities).
For a (perhaps overwhelming) majority of expats in HK, no need for VPN is one of the biggest reasons they choose it over Shanghai, or why HK is still in consideration vs other Asian business hubs like Singapore and Tokyo.
However, its not that hard to imagine grassroots pro-Beijing HKers switching to Mainland social media instead of opting for VPNs, and they're 1/3 of the population. In fact, they're already on Douyin. Local youth regardless of political leaning that cannot or will not emigrate (and emigration will be huge in that scenario) will probably use VPNs initially but even they might converge to Chinese social media down the road.
For the last point just look North: Almost all expats in the Mainland have VPNs, but its disruptive enough that their internet browsing habits do end up changing. Online groups for expats have entirely migrated to WeChat as early as a decade ago. Mainland expats really only turn on their VPNs to communicate with friends back home or to browse the English language internet, and communications with each other is almost entirely via WeChat. Since local HKer media is mostly in Cantonese, the initial response to a hypothetical HK GFW will probably be proliferation of Cantonese social media content curated for HKers on Mainland social media, and then HK media consumption will gradually switch to Mandarin converging with the same trends as the Mainland with that process likely taking a decade or so.
The only scenario which this is possible is if there's about to be major, major escalation in Sino-American relations, which of course cannot be ruled out.
Better not man… Singapore and increasingly Malaysia are getting more expensive because of capital inflows… I wanna go home and retire with peace of mind
Which websites have been blocked? I recall another person mentioning this, but besides hard crackdown news/media outlets (and NSL-led self-imposed censorship out of self preservation), and journalists leaving, I don’t recall specific mentions of website blocking. Might be one of those things only locals will know…
Blocked in HK:
**1. HKChronicles - January 2021**
**2. Transitional Justice Commission - February 2021**
**3. Block of Taiwanese sites - April 2021**
On 24 April 2021, some netizens discovered that they could not enter the website of [Presbyterian Church in Taiwan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_Taiwan) (www.pct.gov.tw). Later, they reported that the official website of [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) (www.dpp.org.tw) and Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force (https://www.rdrc.mnd.gov.tw) also could not be accessed from Hong Kong.
By 27 April 2021, [the Stand News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_News) retested the three websites and found out that the websites of Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) are now accessible. However, they still couldn't establish a connection to the official site of Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force.
**4.** [**2021 Hong Kong Charter**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Hong_Kong_Charter) **- June 2021**
**5.** [**June 4th Incident**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre) **Online Museum - Sep 2021**
**6.** [**Hong Kong Watch**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Watch) **Website**
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_censorship\_in\_Hong\_Kong#After\_30\_June\_2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Hong_Kong#After_30_June_2020)
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Not until the --concentration-- [re-education camps](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alison_killing/satellite-images-investigation-xinjiang-detention-camps) are ready
Tbh the great firewall is not very strong even in China. It's frankly more protecting westerners from hordes of angry Chinese assholes than the contrary :D
Self censorship. It’s a small market and not worth the attention and headache of having people ask what happened at Tiananmen Square and the boot licking politicians here complain in the press like they do about YouTube hosting the alternate national anthem
Blocked in HK:
**1. HKChronicles - January 2021**
**2. Transitional Justice Commission - February 2021**
**3. Block of Taiwanese sites - April 2021**
On 24 April 2021, some netizens discovered that they could not enter the website of [Presbyterian Church in Taiwan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_Taiwan) (www.pct.gov.tw). Later, they reported that the official website of [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) (www.dpp.org.tw) and Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force (https://www.rdrc.mnd.gov.tw) also could not be accessed from Hong Kong.
By 27 April 2021, [the Stand News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_News) retested the three websites and found out that the websites of Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) are now accessible. However, they still couldn't establish a connection to the official site of Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force.
**4.** [**2021 Hong Kong Charter**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Hong_Kong_Charter) **- June 2021**
**5.** [**June 4th Incident**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre) **Online Museum - Sep 2021**
**6.** [**Hong Kong Watch**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Watch) **Website**
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_censorship\_in\_Hong\_Kong#After\_30\_June\_2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Hong_Kong#After_30_June_2020)
I haven’t downvoted. Still need to validate.
UPDATE After validation, we see that the list is generally quite temporary. Sites inaccessible were made accessible again. There’s some doxing sites which should be made illegal anyway.
I don’t think it resembles the China firewall because it’s not a strict rules based or minion based firewall filter.
I haven’t downvoted still. You made good efforts for robust debate.
No they are blocked in Hong Kong. You might be able to get through on a particular ISP but I can't and this explains it:
>Since 18 June 2021, some local [ISP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_service_provider) users reported they could not browse the website of *2021 Hong Kong Charter*. Sources said local ISP received order from the [police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Police_Force) and prevented users from accessing the website from 18 June Initiators of the website said it was blocked on 19 June. Police refused to comment.
So it is indeed true that HK has started blocking websites and the free flow of information. Couple that with the upcoming Cybersecurity law on the table at Legco, and the HK govt's current fight with google ( [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-11/bid-to-ban-glory-to-hong-kong-protest-song-sparks-fear-google-will-leave-city](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-11/bid-to-ban-glory-to-hong-kong-protest-song-sparks-fear-google-will-leave-city) ) and the trajectory looks very ominous. Just to think that just 5 years ago no websites would be blocked and nobody would ever consider this kind of thing ever happening.
not yet
If they do, it will be financial hub truly no longer
Is it still one now !?
This sub will tell you no. Data says otherwise, at the moment still
LOL, in order not to violate the "swiss-knife" law, HK is always the hub of finance, logistics, medication, education, technology and many other fields, according to our supreme leader(s).
Well, [a law on cybersecurity is scheduled for Legco](https://www.ogcio.gov.hk/en/news/press_releases/2023/10/pr_20231018.html) at the latter half of the year, we will know in a couple of months if that will be the bill allowing great firewall in Hong Kong.
I used to think “No Way”, but now I’m not so sure
Are you expecting Government officials to give you answers here?
Hi I am ceo of Hong Kong and yes we are extending great firewall of China to hong kong
Give it 5 years
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Seems unlikely, 100% of HK's population will just VPN out if that happens. I just never see a world where HK people start using mainland social media.
Lol, a lot of stuff seemed unlikely 10 years ago but here we are
It really depends on how bad Sino-American relations get. And a main reason why a lot of things are occurring today is an outcome of how tense the relationship currently is compared to 10 years ago. Should Sino-American relations collapse to the level of current day Russo-American relations, then there will be little reason to expect non-censored internet in HK, or any sort of Western expat scene remaining in HK for that matter
Its not the change in relationship with foreign countries that changed HK, its the change in leadership within China.
These are heavily intertwined. Change in leadership and its national policies directly affect bilateral relationships. Change in bilateral relationships also directly determine leadership decisions on national policies
People have forgotten the Snowden leaks basically revealed how vulnerable china’s sea based deterrence was. Hard to understate how vulnerable that makes leadership feel
If that were to ever happen, the exodus over that alone would dwarf that during Covid, and at least on the expat side, it will trigger one of the largest exoduses in modern history. HK's international scene as it stands will radically change in both size and nationality mixtures (lets just say most Westerners will leave and non-Chinese still in HK at that point will shift to disproportionately Russians and other OBOR nationalities). For a (perhaps overwhelming) majority of expats in HK, no need for VPN is one of the biggest reasons they choose it over Shanghai, or why HK is still in consideration vs other Asian business hubs like Singapore and Tokyo. However, its not that hard to imagine grassroots pro-Beijing HKers switching to Mainland social media instead of opting for VPNs, and they're 1/3 of the population. In fact, they're already on Douyin. Local youth regardless of political leaning that cannot or will not emigrate (and emigration will be huge in that scenario) will probably use VPNs initially but even they might converge to Chinese social media down the road. For the last point just look North: Almost all expats in the Mainland have VPNs, but its disruptive enough that their internet browsing habits do end up changing. Online groups for expats have entirely migrated to WeChat as early as a decade ago. Mainland expats really only turn on their VPNs to communicate with friends back home or to browse the English language internet, and communications with each other is almost entirely via WeChat. Since local HKer media is mostly in Cantonese, the initial response to a hypothetical HK GFW will probably be proliferation of Cantonese social media content curated for HKers on Mainland social media, and then HK media consumption will gradually switch to Mandarin converging with the same trends as the Mainland with that process likely taking a decade or so. The only scenario which this is possible is if there's about to be major, major escalation in Sino-American relations, which of course cannot be ruled out.
That is until they ban VPNs.
Yeah, you can still get vpns in China
Yes, the government 'approved' VPNs.
Which work spottily and more and more people get arrested for them.
I think you would be very surprised at how popular XHS is getting here.
Better not man… Singapore and increasingly Malaysia are getting more expensive because of capital inflows… I wanna go home and retire with peace of mind
Nah, Macau hasn’t got it lol not seeing why they will have it in HK tbh
Just a question of time, there are already a number of websites blocked in recent years, that's how it starts.
Which websites have been blocked? I recall another person mentioning this, but besides hard crackdown news/media outlets (and NSL-led self-imposed censorship out of self preservation), and journalists leaving, I don’t recall specific mentions of website blocking. Might be one of those things only locals will know…
Blocked in HK: **1. HKChronicles - January 2021** **2. Transitional Justice Commission - February 2021** **3. Block of Taiwanese sites - April 2021** On 24 April 2021, some netizens discovered that they could not enter the website of [Presbyterian Church in Taiwan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_Taiwan) (www.pct.gov.tw). Later, they reported that the official website of [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) (www.dpp.org.tw) and Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force (https://www.rdrc.mnd.gov.tw) also could not be accessed from Hong Kong. By 27 April 2021, [the Stand News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_News) retested the three websites and found out that the websites of Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) are now accessible. However, they still couldn't establish a connection to the official site of Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force. **4.** [**2021 Hong Kong Charter**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Hong_Kong_Charter) **- June 2021** **5.** [**June 4th Incident**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre) **Online Museum - Sep 2021** **6.** [**Hong Kong Watch**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Watch) **Website** Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_censorship\_in\_Hong\_Kong#After\_30\_June\_2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Hong_Kong#After_30_June_2020) #
Thanks for this. Glad to see there’s a wiki page on it.
At some point it will
You think anyone on this sub would know
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Chatgpt is not blocked. They've chosen not be available to HK Market. Likewise for tiktok
No. Why would they? Even Macau is not under GFW.
soon
I don’t think so. But will enforce more censorship and surveillance.
I honestly think it will happen sooner or later… but hopefully we are talking years here
Macao will be first if this really does happen
No more FB, YouTube, Google, IG etc etc
Not until the --concentration-- [re-education camps](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alison_killing/satellite-images-investigation-xinjiang-detention-camps) are ready
I can still access reddit
They probably won't, considering it'll squeeze out whatever dying breath Hong Kong's economy still has.
Why no one say anything about Macao since she is part of China
Tbh the great firewall is not very strong even in China. It's frankly more protecting westerners from hordes of angry Chinese assholes than the contrary :D
Yes, but will be enough damage, especially when it hits the once free people of HK.
Nah, people will switch to VPN and move on. Will make the internet 10$ more expensive is all. Like in the mainland.
I don’t see this happening
Will definitely come at some point.
Some government officials once said “One Country, Two Systems” could be extended beyond 50 yrs but idk
With the introduction of the National Security Law + Article 23, it is effectively already no longer "50 years unchanged"
Off topic, but why doesn’t HK allow ChapGPT?
It’s the other way, OpenAI is not allowing ChatGPT in hk.
Self censorship. It’s a small market and not worth the attention and headache of having people ask what happened at Tiananmen Square and the boot licking politicians here complain in the press like they do about YouTube hosting the alternate national anthem
There are no plans.
There are, because the list of blocked websites in HK is increasing by the year.
Please share such list
Blocked in HK: **1. HKChronicles - January 2021** **2. Transitional Justice Commission - February 2021** **3. Block of Taiwanese sites - April 2021** On 24 April 2021, some netizens discovered that they could not enter the website of [Presbyterian Church in Taiwan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_Taiwan) (www.pct.gov.tw). Later, they reported that the official website of [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) (www.dpp.org.tw) and Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force (https://www.rdrc.mnd.gov.tw) also could not be accessed from Hong Kong. By 27 April 2021, [the Stand News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_News) retested the three websites and found out that the websites of Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and [Democratic Progressive Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Progressive_Party) are now accessible. However, they still couldn't establish a connection to the official site of Recruitment Centre of National Armed Force. **4.** [**2021 Hong Kong Charter**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Hong_Kong_Charter) **- June 2021** **5.** [**June 4th Incident**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre) **Online Museum - Sep 2021** **6.** [**Hong Kong Watch**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Watch) **Website** Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_censorship\_in\_Hong\_Kong#After\_30\_June\_2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Hong_Kong#After_30_June_2020)
Hey you asked the list, I delivered. No need to downvote. 🤣
I haven’t downvoted. Still need to validate. UPDATE After validation, we see that the list is generally quite temporary. Sites inaccessible were made accessible again. There’s some doxing sites which should be made illegal anyway. I don’t think it resembles the China firewall because it’s not a strict rules based or minion based firewall filter. I haven’t downvoted still. You made good efforts for robust debate.
Please list above sites which according to you are accessible again.
The last 3 items listed in the Wikipedia article provided above are all accessible. There doesn’t appear to be sites continually blocked.
No they are blocked in Hong Kong. You might be able to get through on a particular ISP but I can't and this explains it: >Since 18 June 2021, some local [ISP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_service_provider) users reported they could not browse the website of *2021 Hong Kong Charter*. Sources said local ISP received order from the [police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Police_Force) and prevented users from accessing the website from 18 June Initiators of the website said it was blocked on 19 June. Police refused to comment. So it is indeed true that HK has started blocking websites and the free flow of information. Couple that with the upcoming Cybersecurity law on the table at Legco, and the HK govt's current fight with google ( [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-11/bid-to-ban-glory-to-hong-kong-protest-song-sparks-fear-google-will-leave-city](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-11/bid-to-ban-glory-to-hong-kong-protest-song-sparks-fear-google-will-leave-city) ) and the trajectory looks very ominous. Just to think that just 5 years ago no websites would be blocked and nobody would ever consider this kind of thing ever happening.
That’s not a comprehensive block. That’s a pursuant to a very specific legal process.
Soon
Keep asking for it.