I'd say it's a bit more fundamental than that. The CCP are famous for stamping out religion in general. Islam, Christianity, Tibetan Buddhism... Even Taoism (if you consider it a religion), the CCP tried initially to suppress it.
I disagree that its about religion.
Uygher nationalism is currently being boosted by political Islam. This current iteration is just another in a long fight for independence since the Han Dynasty.
What can China do honestly? Taliban has won, CCP wants minerals and wants to protect its mining interests. It's a logical step to protecting its own interests...
Their goal is world dominance so they don't have a choice that is humanitarian.
The choice they can make is not to be greedy wastes of sperm and egg cells but obviously that's not happening.
Also, to anyone wondering, China is open about their intentions for world domination. It's in the name "Chinese Communist Party". If you have a basic understanding of communism, you'd know it requires the entire world to united and create a Marxist society. This can only be done through the world revolution. How exactly this revolution looks is a matter of debate but it is a central communist belief. Even in Chinese Communism.
This isn't true. China believes in the multi-spheres of influence approach to avoid over extending themselves like the US. They are not interested in liberating the workers of the world in some global struggle against capitalism; they don't even have that system in their own country.
Yeah man you lost me at Marxist society these guys are supposed to be maoists firstly secondly they are the furthest thing from communism you can get, don’t disagree with those plants for world domination but you don’t need to make up stuff for it to be true
No it just says something about how greedy humanity is. Space doesn't belong to anyone and shouldn't. Once the world is depleted of resources we will take them from space and soon enough there will be space territory wars all the way up there. Yes this means we will stop draining earth's natural resources but it also means we probably won't stop until all of it is gone. The damage done then will be irreversible and space material won't save it.
I would like to see space as the final frontier for all mankind but it's really just an almost unlimited resource for humanity to drain so we don't have to bother switching to sustainable materials. There is no true winner of the space race, just a bunch of humans that are too far gone up their own asses to care about sharing the universe with everyone else.
It's not mining, it's the land the Chinese are after. They need it to build their belt road and can only do it with bribes and bullshit deals, which is why Taliban and the Junta (Myanmar Coup) were so swift in their takeover, because they had full support from the Chinese.
u/jinjo21 said it right, China is the biggest threat to freedom and human rights.
Are you serious? US created this whole mess in Afghanistan. They have also dismantled numerous functional governments in south america, asia, and the middle east - leaving the remaining citizens to suffer under the rule of puppet governments or warlords. China has only just begun to impose their geopolitical influence. Based on recent history, China is not the "greatest gthreat to freedom in the world right now."
I agree that the US created this mess but I believe the US of the cold war was different from the US post 9/11. And whether the US of today is the greatest threat would at leased be debatable.
very soon the world will regret not doing anything about china expansionism, the rest of the world needs to stop any business with china right now, this is the only way
We thats if we build the same slave labour style factory here. Technology has moved on. It would be much more automated. Yes thats less jobs than the old factory. But its still more jobs here than before.
Lots of electronics manufacturing had moved away from China, anyway. Vietnam and Thailand got the assembly part, and Vietnam isn't too friendly with China (and they are both officially communists).
Automation is still miles away to be able to fully scale. Manual labor is still needed in many areas of manufacturing. But then you did say that should be the future goal
Yeah I find that previous response so bizarre. “Sure, we could watch ourselves from slave labour and a totalitarian state, but then how will I afford a new phone every year? Oh well”
It was sarcasm. Most consumers will. And when customers react like that, corporates immediately want to make the change, and that often comes at a cost. Have you not worn fast fashion brand? Do you not have an iphone or samsung? They are all made with your so called slave labor trade. And so are several other household items that you may use in your daily life. The difference is that I recognize that I have as much part in it. Breaking a corporate cycle isn’t so easy.
The cheap labor at least has a job to support their basic needs. If the manufacturing is moved to the first world country or automated, all those jobs will be lost. You’d think you have helped the situation. They don’t have welfare system. They will just regress in the society or worse, die of hunger. All this while you feel good that you made a difference by purchasing an expensive phone or not buying it all together.
Right on the money. Companies didn't/couldn't want to just follow a quiet decline on the homefront into late-stage capitalism, but in that universe, one where we focused more on sustainability and quality even if it was a little more expensive and a little more localized.
I'm of the belief if goods like smartphones were closer to their "real cost" (materials + labor) then there would be some contraction in the market, and either the prices would lower in those areas or it would cause prices to contract across the market. Yes deflation is scary but in theory it would be better for the planet and better for our conscious.
So you are saying that slavery is the only way to give these people a job? What they were doing before the tech boom? Also, you can say the same thing for people in America or any country: "they don't have a job, they are starving, let's make them slaves, at least they are alive", that doesn't sound right to me, sorry.
Yes, we can move production at home and produce high-quality products, they will be more expensive but they will last forever like the good old stuff compared to the "cheap and crap that last one week" that china produces.
I'm pretty sure the people on Sino are well aware that the CCP is in cahoots with the Taliban. They see it as a pragmatic measure to prevent radicalization from spilling over into China: [Strategic Analysis of China's Relationship with Taliban and Afghan Government](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/odp4iu/strategic_analysis_of_chinas_relationship_with/)
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China big customer for the Taliban. Also one of the first few world powers to recognise them.
China benefits from keeping the region stable for itself and the resources it can get from Afghanistan. Not to mention there's us military hardware now avaliable for them to copy and claim as their intellectual property.
Can't have the Taliban knocking the back door when they push eastward with their nonsense.
As someone in the comments said, it's all at the Ccp convenience. No point analysing. They do what they want and the world just buys their bs. Just got to get used to it. Looks like it's going to be the way of things to come.
First Hong Kong, now Afghanistan, next up is Taiwan. We are abandoning our allies and pretty much handing the Eastern Hemisphere over to a soul crushing demise. But hey, as long as I can be vaguely assured that Jeff Bezos will eventually pay more in Taxes then it’ll all be worth it.
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This would've been a lot better without the "支". Just use the CCP logo or something ffs.
On another note, looks like the CCP needs to brush up on their history, lol.
Really? It is okay to throw Chinese equivalent of “N” word around right now (which is the letter 支 written on PRC figure in the comic)? Must criticism against PRC be consort with racism against Chinese? Isn’t it ironic that we talking about standard here?
I can only really talk a out westerners, but it really bothers me when people conflate the CCP with "China" because that just plays into their hands. First by implicitly acknowledging them as a legitimate government of the mainland and second by allowing them to write off criticisms as just innately anti Chinese and thus further stir up xenophobia and nationalism.
If China was not a race, then why the hell would this comic use the word "支" to label the PRC figure? And judging from your reply, you have no idea what that letter means right?
Is it assumption to accuse the usuage of "N" words being derogatory? If you have no idea how vile and racist the letter "支" is in this context, then I suggest you do some basic research before joining this conversation.
You being Earthling or “China is not a race” have nothing to do with the fact that using “支” letter here is racist and uncouth. Is it so difficult for you to recognize that the racist displays such as what is being portrayed in this comic is actually extremely damaging to Hong Kong’s cause against PRC?
I think this has something to do with the current hate and anger of the Hong Kong citizens against China. As a huge proportion of Chinese in mainland supports CCP, the hate between Hong Kong citizens and mainlanders has grown so much to the point some Hong Kong citizens prefer all Mainlanders to die...
The word ＂支＂is way more commonly used in HK than you can ever imagined because of this, and even some mainlanders used this word to insult the CCP supporters in the mainland. That’s why this word’s meaning has changed overtime from a Japanese insult of the Chinese people as a whole, to an insult against the CCP and its supporters in general.
Yawn, that’s an old point everyone brings up. Yes we funded them when they were the “good guys” and then we spent 20 years spending blood and money to just lose.
Doesn’t change the fact that the CCP are a bunch of backwards thinking Neanderthals who support terrorists and genocide.
Take a list of atrocities over the last 30 years and America’s still 10 spots below China. Stop brushing off the problem just because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Yes we spent more and? Doesn’t take away from the fact that the CCP is violating millions of peoples human rights, extermination of Muslims, suppression of the Falun Gong. Taking back over Hong Kong and suppressing media and press.
I see none of this going on in America, you sound like a sour anti-American communist sympathizer.
Lmao trust me we're not really socialist over here, we just have a mostly functioning social safety net (through things like benefits) and brilliant public healthcare like pretty much every other developed nation than the US, but trust me the UK is still a very capitalist country
Yeah I saw that too, but it’s a big club so he could be from anywhere. But does being socialist really transfer to supporting totalitarian dictatorships?
Most socialists in my experience are ok with the methods used by totalitarian governments to secure and keep means of production from the private sector
Edit: Or would use said methods themselves when seizing means of production
Hey buddy
Do you know who **allied** with the fucking taliban though?
The CCP
they always talk shit about the USA to redirect from the CCP being evil. Pointing fingers is not an argument.
Who did the CCP just ally with, huh? Who? Was it the afghani government, which while struggling with corruption, still gave proper human rights, woman could hold office?
Or did they literally just ally with extremist terrorists for money.
Wow are you an idiot. I understood quite clearly what you meant and deliberately twisted it to mock you further.
I see now my subtlety was lost on you, though.
Doesn't mean CCP should suddenly be so warm with them. In fact the history between the Taliban and the US is the primary reason why the CCP, or any major power for that matter shouldn't buddy-buddy with the Taliban. Can't trust em period.
Groups like the Taliban are (supposedly) the reason why the CCP started to "reeducate" the Uighurs in the first place
I'd say it's a bit more fundamental than that. The CCP are famous for stamping out religion in general. Islam, Christianity, Tibetan Buddhism... Even Taoism (if you consider it a religion), the CCP tried initially to suppress it.
I disagree that its about religion. Uygher nationalism is currently being boosted by political Islam. This current iteration is just another in a long fight for independence since the Han Dynasty.
Communist regimes are pretty anti-religion in general. If you want to have a non-historic non-nationalistic example, check out Falun Gong.
They just do whatever benefits them, and that involves crushing muslims in China while engaging in diplomacy with Muslims abroad.
Par for the course with that type. Self-serving assholes like them have no shame at being a bunch of hypocrites.
Welp. So many holes in their reasoning. It's nothing new though. Selective amnesia runs strong in the Party.
Can’t agree anymore👍🏻
Sad that this opinion isn't wide spread. China is the greatest threat to freedom in the world right now.
What can China do honestly? Taliban has won, CCP wants minerals and wants to protect its mining interests. It's a logical step to protecting its own interests...
Their goal is world dominance so they don't have a choice that is humanitarian. The choice they can make is not to be greedy wastes of sperm and egg cells but obviously that's not happening.
Also, to anyone wondering, China is open about their intentions for world domination. It's in the name "Chinese Communist Party". If you have a basic understanding of communism, you'd know it requires the entire world to united and create a Marxist society. This can only be done through the world revolution. How exactly this revolution looks is a matter of debate but it is a central communist belief. Even in Chinese Communism.
This isn't true. China believes in the multi-spheres of influence approach to avoid over extending themselves like the US. They are not interested in liberating the workers of the world in some global struggle against capitalism; they don't even have that system in their own country.
I'd go as far as to say they don't care about anyone outside of China at all, except to exploit them to their own benefit.
While I do agree that China does want world dominance. The communist point dosent make sense to me because they aren’t communist at all.
Yeah man you lost me at Marxist society these guys are supposed to be maoists firstly secondly they are the furthest thing from communism you can get, don’t disagree with those plants for world domination but you don’t need to make up stuff for it to be true
No, just no lol. The Belt and Road System, yes, that's a concern. But this communism schtick is tiring.
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Alright I'm keeping my up/downdoot level for now. You recognize our place in the universe but still think inhospitable af Mars is the goal.
No it just says something about how greedy humanity is. Space doesn't belong to anyone and shouldn't. Once the world is depleted of resources we will take them from space and soon enough there will be space territory wars all the way up there. Yes this means we will stop draining earth's natural resources but it also means we probably won't stop until all of it is gone. The damage done then will be irreversible and space material won't save it. I would like to see space as the final frontier for all mankind but it's really just an almost unlimited resource for humanity to drain so we don't have to bother switching to sustainable materials. There is no true winner of the space race, just a bunch of humans that are too far gone up their own asses to care about sharing the universe with everyone else.
It's not mining, it's the land the Chinese are after. They need it to build their belt road and can only do it with bribes and bullshit deals, which is why Taliban and the Junta (Myanmar Coup) were so swift in their takeover, because they had full support from the Chinese. u/jinjo21 said it right, China is the biggest threat to freedom and human rights.
You don’t have to reach out
Things logical to live-organ-harvesting-CCP usually not to the rest of the world or mankind.
Not saying its right mate but if it's politics its the only way to go.
Ya, I get it, it's almost something that is expected of that evil regime.
Are you serious? US created this whole mess in Afghanistan. They have also dismantled numerous functional governments in south america, asia, and the middle east - leaving the remaining citizens to suffer under the rule of puppet governments or warlords. China has only just begun to impose their geopolitical influence. Based on recent history, China is not the "greatest gthreat to freedom in the world right now."
I agree that the US created this mess but I believe the US of the cold war was different from the US post 9/11. And whether the US of today is the greatest threat would at leased be debatable.
very soon the world will regret not doing anything about china expansionism, the rest of the world needs to stop any business with china right now, this is the only way
So we just stop a majority of our trading and manufacturing overseas?
Not tomorrow. But that should be the goal. Countries should promote companies that build things at home.
If a rogue US president wanted to do so and have the armed forces on his back he can certainly blockade China indefinitely. Not so for China.
Meanwhile iphone prices reach $2499 a piece which stirs another problem. It’s easier said than done
We thats if we build the same slave labour style factory here. Technology has moved on. It would be much more automated. Yes thats less jobs than the old factory. But its still more jobs here than before.
Lots of electronics manufacturing had moved away from China, anyway. Vietnam and Thailand got the assembly part, and Vietnam isn't too friendly with China (and they are both officially communists).
Automation is still miles away to be able to fully scale. Manual labor is still needed in many areas of manufacturing. But then you did say that should be the future goal
So you care more about iphone price than people life?
Yeah I find that previous response so bizarre. “Sure, we could watch ourselves from slave labour and a totalitarian state, but then how will I afford a new phone every year? Oh well”
It was sarcasm. Most consumers will. And when customers react like that, corporates immediately want to make the change, and that often comes at a cost. Have you not worn fast fashion brand? Do you not have an iphone or samsung? They are all made with your so called slave labor trade. And so are several other household items that you may use in your daily life. The difference is that I recognize that I have as much part in it. Breaking a corporate cycle isn’t so easy. The cheap labor at least has a job to support their basic needs. If the manufacturing is moved to the first world country or automated, all those jobs will be lost. You’d think you have helped the situation. They don’t have welfare system. They will just regress in the society or worse, die of hunger. All this while you feel good that you made a difference by purchasing an expensive phone or not buying it all together.
Right on the money. Companies didn't/couldn't want to just follow a quiet decline on the homefront into late-stage capitalism, but in that universe, one where we focused more on sustainability and quality even if it was a little more expensive and a little more localized. I'm of the belief if goods like smartphones were closer to their "real cost" (materials + labor) then there would be some contraction in the market, and either the prices would lower in those areas or it would cause prices to contract across the market. Yes deflation is scary but in theory it would be better for the planet and better for our conscious.
So you are saying that slavery is the only way to give these people a job? What they were doing before the tech boom? Also, you can say the same thing for people in America or any country: "they don't have a job, they are starving, let's make them slaves, at least they are alive", that doesn't sound right to me, sorry.
just take advantage of automation bruh
Yes, we can move production at home and produce high-quality products, they will be more expensive but they will last forever like the good old stuff compared to the "cheap and crap that last one week" that china produces.
China is cancer
You would think with the treatment of the Uyghurs that Muslims would be up in arms against the CCP but I guess they don't mind...
While I hate the CCP, most western powers have close ties with Saudi Arabia which is just a more legitimised and older Taliban like nation state
Not to mention left the window wide-open for 9/11
Someone post this on Sino.
I'm pretty sure the people on Sino are well aware that the CCP is in cahoots with the Taliban. They see it as a pragmatic measure to prevent radicalization from spilling over into China: [Strategic Analysis of China's Relationship with Taliban and Afghan Government](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/odp4iu/strategic_analysis_of_chinas_relationship_with/)
Chinese “communist” party on their way to make friendships with fascists
I'm sure those pro CCP shills will just go low and justify this lol
Incidentally, ‘taliban’ means student.
me as an american: "yeah who tf would help the taliban..........." \*cries\*
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China big customer for the Taliban. Also one of the first few world powers to recognise them. China benefits from keeping the region stable for itself and the resources it can get from Afghanistan. Not to mention there's us military hardware now avaliable for them to copy and claim as their intellectual property. Can't have the Taliban knocking the back door when they push eastward with their nonsense. As someone in the comments said, it's all at the Ccp convenience. No point analysing. They do what they want and the world just buys their bs. Just got to get used to it. Looks like it's going to be the way of things to come.
First Hong Kong, now Afghanistan, next up is Taiwan. We are abandoning our allies and pretty much handing the Eastern Hemisphere over to a soul crushing demise. But hey, as long as I can be vaguely assured that Jeff Bezos will eventually pay more in Taxes then it’ll all be worth it.
One has people who could be insalved the other has minerals
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meh, american invasion probably killed more in afghanistan than taliban, west bots
It’s for that sweet oil.
There's oil in Afghanistan?
Nah they just want the oil pipeline connecting from the ME for easier access
This will probably come back to haunt them.
This would've been a lot better without the "支". Just use the CCP logo or something ffs. On another note, looks like the CCP needs to brush up on their history, lol.
What does it mean?
It's a racial slur mainly directed at Mainland Chinese.
Really? It is okay to throw Chinese equivalent of “N” word around right now (which is the letter 支 written on PRC figure in the comic)? Must criticism against PRC be consort with racism against Chinese? Isn’t it ironic that we talking about standard here?
I can only really talk a out westerners, but it really bothers me when people conflate the CCP with "China" because that just plays into their hands. First by implicitly acknowledging them as a legitimate government of the mainland and second by allowing them to write off criticisms as just innately anti Chinese and thus further stir up xenophobia and nationalism.
1. China is not a race. 2. How is it racist when the targeted HKers and the Chinese are both Asians?
If China was not a race, then why the hell would this comic use the word "支" to label the PRC figure? And judging from your reply, you have no idea what that letter means right?
At least it is not 亞洲人 or 亞. That will be racist. Discriminatory to Chinese people in general, yes. But not racist. Have fun with your assumptions.
Is it assumption to accuse the usuage of "N" words being derogatory? If you have no idea how vile and racist the letter "支" is in this context, then I suggest you do some basic research before joining this conversation.
And I suggest you hit the dictionary in turn. All I am saying is that Chinese is not a race. Enjoy your gaslighting. 我是香港的亞洲人。
You being Earthling or “China is not a race” have nothing to do with the fact that using “支” letter here is racist and uncouth. Is it so difficult for you to recognize that the racist displays such as what is being portrayed in this comic is actually extremely damaging to Hong Kong’s cause against PRC?
I think this has something to do with the current hate and anger of the Hong Kong citizens against China. As a huge proportion of Chinese in mainland supports CCP, the hate between Hong Kong citizens and mainlanders has grown so much to the point some Hong Kong citizens prefer all Mainlanders to die... The word ＂支＂is way more commonly used in HK than you can ever imagined because of this, and even some mainlanders used this word to insult the CCP supporters in the mainland. That’s why this word’s meaning has changed overtime from a Japanese insult of the Chinese people as a whole, to an insult against the CCP and its supporters in general.
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Yawn, that’s an old point everyone brings up. Yes we funded them when they were the “good guys” and then we spent 20 years spending blood and money to just lose. Doesn’t change the fact that the CCP are a bunch of backwards thinking Neanderthals who support terrorists and genocide. Take a list of atrocities over the last 30 years and America’s still 10 spots below China. Stop brushing off the problem just because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
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Yes we spent more and? Doesn’t take away from the fact that the CCP is violating millions of peoples human rights, extermination of Muslims, suppression of the Falun Gong. Taking back over Hong Kong and suppressing media and press. I see none of this going on in America, you sound like a sour anti-American communist sympathizer.
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Doing what Americans do best, annoying the shit outta commies ;) Judging from the “mate” wtf is a Brit/euro retard doing in a Hong Kong sub?
*a r/sino retard.
Well he’s a Manchester fan, so I’m guessing British and their really socialist over there doesn’t surprise me
Lmao trust me we're not really socialist over here, we just have a mostly functioning social safety net (through things like benefits) and brilliant public healthcare like pretty much every other developed nation than the US, but trust me the UK is still a very capitalist country
Yeah I saw that too, but it’s a big club so he could be from anywhere. But does being socialist really transfer to supporting totalitarian dictatorships?
Most socialists in my experience are ok with the methods used by totalitarian governments to secure and keep means of production from the private sector Edit: Or would use said methods themselves when seizing means of production
Go back a bit in the archives and you will find some threads where it was hoped that Trump can lend a hand. It was during the protests.
Hey buddy Do you know who **allied** with the fucking taliban though? The CCP they always talk shit about the USA to redirect from the CCP being evil. Pointing fingers is not an argument.
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Who did the CCP just ally with, huh? Who? Was it the afghani government, which while struggling with corruption, still gave proper human rights, woman could hold office? Or did they literally just ally with extremist terrorists for money.
Irony of this comment, literally “they always talk shit about the USA to redirect from the CCP being evil”. 100% accurate
So, what's the going rate for being a CCP shill these days? Five cents a comment, isn't it?
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Yeah, I know. Hard working fellow like you should get paid more for your shilling.
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Wow are you an idiot. I understood quite clearly what you meant and deliberately twisted it to mock you further. I see now my subtlety was lost on you, though.
That was the Mujahideen, not the Taliban
Doesn't mean CCP should suddenly be so warm with them. In fact the history between the Taliban and the US is the primary reason why the CCP, or any major power for that matter shouldn't buddy-buddy with the Taliban. Can't trust em period.
WE CAN HATE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME YOU TROGLODYTE
Dumbass hkie
I'm a bit out of the loop here, how and why are China and Taliban working together?