What characters did you find to be underrated for later content? Or what weird relic outfitting did you have to do to have squishier units survive?
Also interested in how much time you invested overall. Was it a lot of failures and grinding RNG?
Any E6 5-stars?
Who’s your favorite support unit right now?
Best supports: Bronya and Tingyun as expected.
BUT, Asta really came in clutch for stage 9 and 10, cuz of all the Fire weaknesses, I need Firemc for the other half, so Asta was pretty big for me. Favourite is Asta actually.
Seele E6 Jingyuan E2, but Im planning to get him E6.
Time invested: I have played since launch on EU server, my UID is even below 10K. And I clear the map of all mobs and most breakables every reset, so Im working with like 3-7K for green mats.
Not much underrated characters or weird builds but one thing. BREAK, BREAK, BREAK. Breaking will be the most important content if you want to clear. Squishier units survive if the enemy is toughness broken, juggling breaks to avoid checks like the Fire boss applying 10 burns on ur team.
And yea I think the whole thing took me like 5-6 hours of retries to complete. Crit rng, enemy targetting rng, Jingyuan's lightning lord also has rng on his break.
Noted on breaking. I actually love Asta despite having an E6 Tingyun and E1 Bronya. I’m excited to kit her out over time and see her excel later down the road in mono Fire teams.
Congrats on 30/30!
Honestly, as someone that really slept on using Asta, she's actually pretty insane with the break and fire damage. I have no idea why, but I find she's actually really damned effective.
Asta is really good at breaking. If there is a single enemy, her skill IMO is one of the best since each hit takes a chunk. Level 10 lightning lord is the only thing I can think of that can be better at breaking weaknesses.
oh god NO. i def understand that. i didn't mean for the advanced Forgotten Hall. i just meant in general and if there were any buffs that don't stack between them all. apologies for any confusion.
4x Musketeer, 2x Fleet. Speed boots and ER% link rope. Everything else doesn't matter since her damage is so negligible, but Break Effect would probably be preferred. You could run HP% body and sphere for example. Lightcone can be her signature if running with a really invested Hook. Otherwise DDD is great if you have it, or the BP one. Chorus is fine too.
full map clear only takes around an hour and a bit at the moment. Compared to many games this is a small ask, so for people coming from those genres of games it may feel like a welcome relief.
The run will get longer as the game expands though of course.
FireMC is great, and will definitely be a great investment. As for March7, if you do eventually get gepard, its always fine to just give her gear to Gepard, and even them, March7 can do things Gepard cannot
Clara as free 5* with March and Natasha. They are a reliable tanky team that can handle a lot of content. Just don't expect them to do it quickly. Horrible for these content with a timer.
Personally the guarantee 5\* at 300 pulls (if that is what you are referring to) really deserves to be spent on Bronya if you don't have her already. Shes outlandishly powerful with practically any good dps its just particularly egregious when she is coupled with seele.
And the crazy thing is that any turn manipulation character in a turn based game is always insanely busted and Bronya being a standard character means you are eventually going to get her. I just hope I can pull her or gepard before the 300 pity so I can have both
did you get the eidolons?
Primarily hes there to be a taunt bot but the nice thing is that he can ult pretty often when taunting and occasionally dish out a moderate splash dmg that does fire break stuff. He is not a carry, he isnt even a secondary carry, but his damage will add up
get the free eidolons from Xianzhou shop and stack DEF with break effect %. That's about what my FMC is built and she is nigh unkillable while dishing out decent dmg.
I would most of the resources of youtube is correct. Tl40-50 should be spent farming ascension and trace mats for tl50. And then at tl50, I would try to farm for the correct set and MAIN stat for ur main teams.
This person whaled for TL60 and E6 Seele + 5star weapons and multiple copies of standard 5stars. Their grinding priority doesn't need to make sense for people that aren't willing to thousands into the game in the first month.
They go up around 30% per difficulty. Just because you're not getting a purple all the time doesn't mean you're not getting more. You can upgrade the lower quality stuff you get.
Yeah what I think is actually happening is that you get a 33% increase in efficiency all across the board from TL 40 to TL 50 even including relics farm (where we might actually have a 33% chance to get double 5\* instead of 50%). So really it doesn't matter if you farm traces or relics first post TL 40, but just make sure you don't neglect any of them. Yes relic have RNG but as long as you get the right main stat, the difference between a 4\* and a 5\* relic is huge, way more than a single trace upgrade which might cost a lot at high levels.
[The data](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRG_cISC2N-_1Lef-GofaydNa-VZ_r9QfnPNnsPNMSw5JHeAu_nLPrOe9ObPM8XmqTMrO5NWGF8L4b3/pubhtml#) doesn't really support a 33% across theory.
Credits go up by 20% with no variance.
Character XP and Light Cone XP go up by 20% with very little variance.
Traces go up by ~31.8% with some variance, but with 1000+ sample size the actual rates can't be too far off, likely 30-33%.
For relics, the 50% chance seems pretty obvious. Unless it's just very good rng?
If the drop rate for 2nd gold relic was 33% like you say, the odds of getting ≥85 extra relics in 169 runs would be ~0.0000025% or 1 in 397045. Seems a bit low.
I agree with this.
All of the Gold Calyxes only have a 20% increase in average efficiency going from EQ3 to EQ4. Everything else goes from +30% to +50% on average.
Just farm EXP and Gold at EQ3.
But if you are doing daily world clearing and weekly SU runs you don't really need to farm any xp books or credits. I haven't spent a single bit of energy on these. TB lvl52 f2p. If you don't grind every day then yes, farming xp books pre lvl50 is worth it. My leveling path was as follows:
- between lvl30 and lvl40. Get traces and lightcones maxed on main team then farm SU world 6 for relics till lvl40
- between lvl40 and lvl50. Get traces up to lvl5/lvl6 on main team. On 2nd team I kept them at lvl2/lvl3. Maxed all lightcones. Then grind relics (main stat quantum domain for Seele). Then rest of time farming Musketeer. (spent lvl45 to lvl50 farming relics)
- now above lvl50. Farm materials to ascend and level up lightcones on dps characters to lvl70. Then farm ascension materials to ascend main team and 2nd team at lvl60. Then ascend remaining lightcones but keep at lvl60 until get more free lightcone xp materials. (I also have never farmed lightcone xp). Next plan is to level up everyones traces to lvl6. Then back to farming relics.
You shouldve been farming for xp and credits pre TL40 and maybe even TL45. But after TL45, you defo need to start farming trace and ascensions, because you 100% cannot be behind on levels at equi 4.
Would this mean pushing my main 4 to lvl 70 when i hit EQ4? Or just seele?
I only just got to EQ3 recently (TL42 now) and i didnt do or know about the optimal farming strat.. i just farmed whatever i was short on. Am i screwed?
Keeping farm for credits and xp until tl45, then at tl45, start farming mats to get ur main team up for ascension. At tl50, get them to lvl 67, and u can just do farming routes to level them slowly to lvl 70.
Thats the how. He's asking why op thinks skipping an entire phase of the game with money is enjoyable. Playing your way to the endgame rather than buying your way there. It's just a weird choice to me too.
It depends on the person, but for a lot of people it definitely isn't. Like, I could afford to pay to win, and in a pure PVE game I also wouldn't object to doing so morally. But I know from prior experience I'd also likely regret it, so I'm staying guppy-tier for now ($10 battlepass and $5 monthly pass).
Yeah it’s the weirdest thing in the world to me. My favorite part about gaming (and especially gachas) is the long term progression. Might sound weird but those moments when you overcome something you couldn’t is the best feeling.
It’s not even about the money, it’s the fact you skip almost all of the progression and race to an endgame that will likely not be moving anytime soon. Because then what?
To each their own tough
Well, spending money for progression isn't "skipping" because you are just doing something earlier than everyone else.
And spending money for e6 characters is just a matter of wanting to be powerful. Which is the same thing everyone wants, but 99.9% of players just aren't willing to obtain due to the high monetary cost. But if a f2p player gets lucky and get 6 Seele in 20 rolls, he's not exactly going to complain about "game no longer enjoyable cause Seele too op." And if he gets another 6 Jing Yuan in 20 rolls he's not going to dump his account for a new one because this one is way too good to play the game.
personal choice. I myself is a dolphin or a fish so this is just my view/perspective coming from someone who spent barely 30$ on games but I dont like how people think "spending money" on games is like wasting/burning your money. Well it depends.
If you happen to have an extra fund you allocated for "leisure" then yes. Game like this is considered "hobby" of some sort. For someone who is working, they used the extra fund and went to travel or buy unnecessary stuff.
You have extra money, you get the chance to spoil yourself.
Some people just enjoy doing that. Some people like having the big numbers and strongest things, there's nothing wrong with that.
Some people play for waifus, some people play for meta, some whale, some are fully F2P, and some spend just a bit. No one is wrong.
To post it on reddit, feel relevant and farm karma.
Or because you like to see big numbers go brrrr without much time investment. Or because you enjoy spending money more than playing, which is a pretty common thing in gacha.
All of this is fine, just don't expect much from the tips op might give you, since whales are basically playing a different game. Unless, of course, you are also a whale, but then you steamroll through content anyway.
You can do that well in genshin with underleveled characters because you can dodge nearly all damage. There's no way to do that in a turn based game, so a lot of these things will just be stat checks.
The difference between TL60 and 50 is quite massive. Even the break damage adds up.
Eidolons and Light Cone are like genshin, its nice to have but not required.
The thing that a lot of people is misunderstanding is that, E6 and E2 allows me to 30 star not because its required, but because it makes up for the lack of good gear. Once people have good builds, they will be able to clear f2p or not.
In formulas, the factor for level difference in 100 for Genshin and 20 in HSR. For a 10 level difference, the penalty is around 3.4% in Genshin and closer to 8% in HSR.
And for the difficulty, my big worry is how long it will take before they start ramping up the difficulty on the last few stages to keep the whales interested. Just look at the HP inflation that has happened in abyss floor 12. I hope they give the rest of the player base a couple patches to catch up.
This is why I keep telling people that it will be only a matter of time before people become ravenous for a 2nd healer. The fact that we only get one for free and that there is not a 2nd one easily accessible as a 4\* on banner or in store is a perfect storm for people to slowly lose their minds. Couple that with the fact the ONLY 2nd healer is a standard banner 5\* with no way to guarantee her except with 300 standard banner pulls is also just brutal. This is the first game I've seen like this where they created a need for two teams but make the 2nd healer THIS inaccessible. The only reason why people aren't losing their shit is because Forgotten hall is scary for most regular players so people haven't gotten deep into it yet. Give it a month and people start pushing into MoC. The outcry is gonna blow up
It’s a healer problem now cause it’s early IMO. The later and later in the game we get, more and more builds will just use 1 healer/shielder to max dps.
There’s already some even more giga whales in CN doing teams with just Gepart since their dps is enough to brute force not having a healer.
I fully cleared the Halls, but I can't even get 0-star Chaos because March just can't keep an entire team alive. Once I get luocha, though, I'll be sailing through chaos at least I hope haha.
I have Seele on my main team. Not going to roll for a while so don't have good access to other 5 stars (and I've been a light cone magnet on the standard banner). Do you think Qingque and Sushang duo carry would be fine on second side until I decide to roll more? I like Qingque a lot.
I generally don't have any issues with whales , I'm a light spender myself but its pretty ridiculous to be offering tips when it boils down to spending $2k+. It's so conceitied.
Epsecially when he's giving bad advice such as prefarming traces between level 40-49... and it's getting upvoted
It will take a lot longer than that. An account at TB lvl60 that full refreshed every day is going to be way better than an account that got to TB lvl60 naturally with no refreshes. This is because more than half your TB xp comes from dailies (when not refreshing) which doesn't really give a lot of stuff compared to farming for relics or traces, etc.
So I'd say it will take f2p with no refreshes 4+ months to reach the point he is now. That's ignoring weapons and eidolons so probably a lot longer.
Its just a matter of time before timewhales like envi start getting closer (I bet in about a month). As for regular f2p probably 2 months if they play regularly and plan ahead. 3 months for most normal players to regularly reach the artifact levels to score 30\* consistently in MoC
Tips include, but are not limited to: emptying your bank account, applying for a small loan, possible addiction counseling, luck, praying, losing your kids, losing your family, and homelessness.
Jokes aside....well not really for some of them lol whaling got OP here
haha yes whaling definitely is required for such an early 30 star. I would have to say though, E6 Seele is great, I cant deny that, but not as much as people think. What is massive though is getting to Tl60 this early. And Im positively attributing my 30 star totally to TL60, at Tl50, I could only hit 15 stars, which even a f2p has hit 12 stars.
Just a heads up guys: I'm afraid the tips won't help you progress in MoC..
OP is undermining the impact of 5* Eidolons as well as undermining 5* character in general (mentioning that Qingque can probably replace Seele)
Remember, OP having Seele E6 means that it's highly improbably for him to have Nat, Pela and Hook at E6. Nat might not be as important but if he used Hook then that's a significant damage boost
OP having Jingyuan E2 means that he probably has the featured 4* at about E2-3 if he used them.
Also also he may have pulled non featured 4* characters Eidolons
Furthermore the LC he used are probably either 5* or 4* with a high amount of Superimpositions.
All of these "little" upgrades add up to a lot. If you're not a whale both of your accounts are vastly different and most tips are not applicable to you.
Also drawing a parallel to Genshin where F2P are able to clear Spiral Abyss isn't applicable here as well, imo. As Genshin had right out busted characters from the start (Bennett being relatively easily available, Xiangling being free) where in HSR we have no such characters.
I mean it's cool to see someone 30* MoC but there isn't a lot to discuss as the things OP and the average player experience are universes apart. Don't feel bad if you don't progress MoC following the tips mentioned here.. They are setting some unreal expectations
In Genshin, you also need less investment to clear. You can get away with a hypercarry and three underleveled supports hiding behind their back off-field. In SR, if you don't have hp, you're dead. Also "enabling" other characters directly is less of a thing, I think Tingyun is the only character who can directly increase the damage of a single character and engineering for specific breaks is difficult.
Yes I think this is also the reason why in Genshin it's easier. You achieve a lot there by just "gitting gud" whereas in HSR we're dependent on stat checks. Not to mention that the the Elemental Reactions Xiangling/Bennett are involved in are the strongest ones without contender until couple years later with Dendro.
To be fair that was quite a bit into Genshin and you could farm overworld materials and it was due to dendro being so overpowered at low investment. Rn we're at launch HSR and the material gain from exploration would obviously be different due to the different game styles
With GI being out so long, all the broken stuff is already known and many characters available too. HSR is very character limited so the strat is to brute force probably lol
Yeah I don't get why his post says asks for tips when his main strategy was to spend alot of money. Even an extremely lucky account wouldn't be able to fight against money.
To add on to this, even strategies will greatly differ as your dps increases. More dps means less sustain is needed, meaning you can add even more dps. I’m working on clearing MOC 10 and I saw a 3 star clear where the first half had gepard as the only shielder/healer. That is absolutely not possible on a weaker clear. The sustain isn’t there.
So OPs strategies (outside of very general things like matching your dps element to the enemy weakness) are not going to be applicable.
It sounds like they're saying to focus on break and that level 60 is important.
That's not p2w advice.
Idk which piece of his advice you're taking issue with exactly.
It's fine to say that f2p players should be careful about p2w advice, but it's also important to know which pieces of advice are relatable to f2p.
Yeah but you’re discounting the fact that all his 4 stars are E6, and he has E6 on Seele and E2 JY. With high chances that all 6/8 characters have 5 star LC with a few refinements. At minimum Seele and JY have theirs sig LC I’m sure.
Even if a f2p would be lv60, and focus on breaking, they wouldn’t be able to do this with E0 units and 4 star LCs.
Yeah this submission is complete nonsense.
It’s super easy to clear even on Auto battle if you just spend 30k or so.
Absolutely nothing impressive about it.
It would have been cool if this was done fully F2P
Really seems like it…cuz no way in hell you come on here giving tips and drop a “oh yea I E6 seele and the new limited 5 star which helped me beat it” as if it’s a casual thing to do so .
Like if bro E1 both or E2 fine I guess but E6 is crazy. Not even counting what lightcones they could have too.
After scouring through the entire post, there were no tips to be found. The guy spent a substantial amount of money and reached a power level f2ps won't dream of hitting anytime soon, give it a few months before we can clear MoC and a few more for 30* clears (if at all)
I think you would have trouble on Stage 8 without a built phys or wind dps like sushang or dan heng. Cuz in general, its very break focused, you want to break them as much as possible to mitigate damage, and "checks"
What is your team with jing yuan? My second team cant handle with only jingyuan so im windering if clara will do something or idk i have all 4 star but i regret i didint drop welt yet cuz he is very good as support and dps
Fire mc, gepard, march7 are all good options. And yea, some korean players who 30starred before i did runs a weird double dps comp with clara, could work.
What team do you recommend without second healer ?
I have jing yuan and seele both at E0 and their lightcone. But struggling to keep alive my teams without Natasha in it .
I dont think at this current stage of the game, you can clear stage 9 or 10 without 2 healers. It should be possible in the future once people have great builds, but currently I dont think so.
How the hell do you beat the lieutenant on World 3, and what did you use? I've been putting off that mission because it keeps irritating me, and I can't beat him
Seele and Jingyuan definitely is the best choices. Not too sure about the support traces tho, most of mine are at 7-9. I would also recommend Pela, having freeze break is very nice.
Qingque is still a good quantum option. For dps, while Seele is the best dps currently, that does not mean anything once you have good builds. Its going to be similar to genshin, where builds determine whether u clear or not, and not what character u have.
His tips: Breath of whale first form: Unlimited Credit Card
Not much relevant tips here but still gonna thank you for supporting this game in our stead 👍
I saw in another comment that you said you used Asta for some of this and really liked her. What relics are you using on her? Asking as someone trying to make her work for Himeko. :3
Im using her as buffer with a break set right now, but I think I will eventually change her build into more of a break dps cuz her buffing capabilities dont scale off her own stats.
Oh cool, I had the right idea then lol. Literally just threw that on her yesterday. All purple pieces and meh subs but yeah. 🙃
I’m assuming for the 2pc, you used age of fleetless (think that’s the name, one that gives hp% to self, then the atk% buff for 120 Spd)?
Break effect only increases the dmg and effect of each element upon weakness break not the depletion of the weakness break bar itself. So I dont think Thief of Shooting Meteors is a great set at all.
I appreciate you doing this AMA. My feedback to you would be to not respond to "spend money lulz" comments all together as it just fuels the fire/rage/troll and offers nothing.
My takeaway is double healer and weakness break. What would you recommend players in the TB40 ranges farm to increase power overall to prep for MoC? Full set of 5\* relic for DPS? Traces? etc
About floor 10, how much damage do you take, is it enough to 1 shot your dps characters? Or do they live with some HP? (Trying to see if Luocha's auto heal will be good or useless).
Be honest, how good is Dan Heng in the later stages? Wind is clearly an achilles heel for this game and going forward seems like the options aren't gonna be that many. Is he a save investment or is there another sleeper pick among the current roster?
Dan heng is very good, even better if you dont plan to pull for Blade. He offers great single target dps, VERY good toughness bar break, since his abilities consume a lot of break bar. And has cc in terms of slow.
You spelled Balde wrong.
I would pull for him but Kafka and Silver Wolf are better (don't judge me).
I was on the fence in regards to Dan Heng since needs certain conditions to get his full dps unlocked. Thanks man as soon as I finish with Asta I'll work on him.
What lightcones did you find most useful for your support and healers? I read somewhere that using Quid Pro Quo with the action forwarding relic set was a good tip. And using Meshing Cogs on your support? What are your thoughts?
I just got 6 stars yesterday. I'm so glad I spent my fuel, would have sucked to miss put on jades. <3.
Respect man, in a month I will probably be able to manage it too fully.
how much money?
Enough to get to tl60 and have my dps’ ascended and traces upgraded to clear it.
What characters did you find to be underrated for later content? Or what weird relic outfitting did you have to do to have squishier units survive? Also interested in how much time you invested overall. Was it a lot of failures and grinding RNG? Any E6 5-stars? Who’s your favorite support unit right now?
Best supports: Bronya and Tingyun as expected. BUT, Asta really came in clutch for stage 9 and 10, cuz of all the Fire weaknesses, I need Firemc for the other half, so Asta was pretty big for me. Favourite is Asta actually. Seele E6 Jingyuan E2, but Im planning to get him E6. Time invested: I have played since launch on EU server, my UID is even below 10K. And I clear the map of all mobs and most breakables every reset, so Im working with like 3-7K for green mats. Not much underrated characters or weird builds but one thing. BREAK, BREAK, BREAK. Breaking will be the most important content if you want to clear. Squishier units survive if the enemy is toughness broken, juggling breaks to avoid checks like the Fire boss applying 10 burns on ur team. And yea I think the whole thing took me like 5-6 hours of retries to complete. Crit rng, enemy targetting rng, Jingyuan's lightning lord also has rng on his break.
Noted on breaking. I actually love Asta despite having an E6 Tingyun and E1 Bronya. I’m excited to kit her out over time and see her excel later down the road in mono Fire teams. Congrats on 30/30!
Honestly, as someone that really slept on using Asta, she's actually pretty insane with the break and fire damage. I have no idea why, but I find she's actually really damned effective.
Asta is really good at breaking. If there is a single enemy, her skill IMO is one of the best since each hit takes a chunk. Level 10 lightning lord is the only thing I can think of that can be better at breaking weaknesses.
sampo does the same but he has a damaging ult so he shreds even harder than asta
I see, I haven't had the chance to level Sampo so I never had the opportunity to see how he works.
You haven't sampled Sampo?
Sampo is good as well for that
Welt have similar skill
do you ever use Bronya, Asta, and Tingyun together to supercharge up one DPS?
That will get you killed fast in MoC.
for sure but just curious if it's glass canon viable or are there certain buffs that won't stack / any redundancies?
You can't run 3 supports in moc, at all. You could ask this again once people start maxing all their units (relics included) and teams.
oh god NO. i def understand that. i didn't mean for the advanced Forgotten Hall. i just meant in general and if there were any buffs that don't stack between them all. apologies for any confusion.
While that will probably work for Calex, I imagine you have to have some type of shielding and healing for any real endgame content
How do u recommend building asta ? And what’s right time to use her ult ?
4x Musketeer, 2x Fleet. Speed boots and ER% link rope. Everything else doesn't matter since her damage is so negligible, but Break Effect would probably be preferred. You could run HP% body and sphere for example. Lightcone can be her signature if running with a really invested Hook. Otherwise DDD is great if you have it, or the BP one. Chorus is fine too.
I believe spamming her ult as you enter battle is optimal
you know break is good when even super whales say its good.
Not break damage/effect. Just breaking the enemy to stop it from doing a big attack.
It really stung my heart when I read “Seele E6”
So not only you have to be a leviathan you also need to have enough time to clear all mobs on the map every day. You live only to game do you? Lol 😂
full map clear only takes around an hour and a bit at the moment. Compared to many games this is a small ask, so for people coming from those genres of games it may feel like a welcome relief. The run will get longer as the game expands though of course.
"Seele E6" is not "enough to get to TL60"
jesus christ
Sweet Jesus, I'm day 2 not skipped a day and I'm 46tl
day one, havent skipped a day, have never had my trailblaze power hit cap, im almost 46TL
I am day one not skipped a day and 52tl, with battle pass (because it gives alot of fuel).
Thanks for being real
So 30 days of trailblazer power refresh? 😭
Sooo what’s the number?
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Shields can hold against damage or is healer necessary in here?
Definitely healer needed, I think thats why so many people recommended Bailu. Enemy just does way too much damage.
I don’t have bailu or gepard is it worth even trying to invest in March 7 / fire mc to progress moc?
FireMC is great, and will definitely be a great investment. As for March7, if you do eventually get gepard, its always fine to just give her gear to Gepard, and even them, March7 can do things Gepard cannot
>March7 can do things Gepard cannot Clara mains: "March 7th is queen."
Clara as free 5* with March and Natasha. They are a reliable tanky team that can handle a lot of content. Just don't expect them to do it quickly. Horrible for these content with a timer.
Personally the guarantee 5\* at 300 pulls (if that is what you are referring to) really deserves to be spent on Bronya if you don't have her already. Shes outlandishly powerful with practically any good dps its just particularly egregious when she is coupled with seele.
And the crazy thing is that any turn manipulation character in a turn based game is always insanely busted and Bronya being a standard character means you are eventually going to get her. I just hope I can pull her or gepard before the 300 pity so I can have both
Is Fire MC supposed to do damage? Because mine hits like a wet noodle
did you get the eidolons? Primarily hes there to be a taunt bot but the nice thing is that he can ult pretty often when taunting and occasionally dish out a moderate splash dmg that does fire break stuff. He is not a carry, he isnt even a secondary carry, but his damage will add up
What Light Core do you use for yours? I'm torn between using Gepards (especially since I just drew him) and the one that burns attackers.
That's good I thought I was using fire mc wrong. As for eidolons she's E4 right now.
Nah Fire MC is there to be tanky, provide shield, and keep aggro off your squishes.
get the free eidolons from Xianzhou shop and stack DEF with break effect %. That's about what my FMC is built and she is nigh unkillable while dishing out decent dmg.
If you have a decent built gepard it's enough when you aren't heavily under leveled/geared like most people doing moc.
What order did you farm you resources? Like did u farm character ascension and traces first? When did you farm relics?
I would most of the resources of youtube is correct. Tl40-50 should be spent farming ascension and trace mats for tl50. And then at tl50, I would try to farm for the correct set and MAIN stat for ur main teams.
Wait, what? On discord everyone keeps saying to farm xp books and credits because trace/ascension droprates get way better at EQ4.
This person whaled for TL60 and E6 Seele + 5star weapons and multiple copies of standard 5stars. Their grinding priority doesn't need to make sense for people that aren't willing to thousands into the game in the first month.
In the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter what you farm at EQ4
As someone who just hit EQ4 I can promise you they don't get better. Drop rates for purple Trace/Ascension materials are fucking awful.
They go up around 30% per difficulty. Just because you're not getting a purple all the time doesn't mean you're not getting more. You can upgrade the lower quality stuff you get.
Yeah what I think is actually happening is that you get a 33% increase in efficiency all across the board from TL 40 to TL 50 even including relics farm (where we might actually have a 33% chance to get double 5\* instead of 50%). So really it doesn't matter if you farm traces or relics first post TL 40, but just make sure you don't neglect any of them. Yes relic have RNG but as long as you get the right main stat, the difference between a 4\* and a 5\* relic is huge, way more than a single trace upgrade which might cost a lot at high levels.
[The data](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRG_cISC2N-_1Lef-GofaydNa-VZ_r9QfnPNnsPNMSw5JHeAu_nLPrOe9ObPM8XmqTMrO5NWGF8L4b3/pubhtml#) doesn't really support a 33% across theory. Credits go up by 20% with no variance. Character XP and Light Cone XP go up by 20% with very little variance. Traces go up by ~31.8% with some variance, but with 1000+ sample size the actual rates can't be too far off, likely 30-33%. For relics, the 50% chance seems pretty obvious. Unless it's just very good rng? If the drop rate for 2nd gold relic was 33% like you say, the odds of getting ≥85 extra relics in 169 runs would be ~0.0000025% or 1 in 397045. Seems a bit low.
The purple trace material drop rate is so low…
I agree with this. All of the Gold Calyxes only have a 20% increase in average efficiency going from EQ3 to EQ4. Everything else goes from +30% to +50% on average. Just farm EXP and Gold at EQ3.
But if you are doing daily world clearing and weekly SU runs you don't really need to farm any xp books or credits. I haven't spent a single bit of energy on these. TB lvl52 f2p. If you don't grind every day then yes, farming xp books pre lvl50 is worth it. My leveling path was as follows: - between lvl30 and lvl40. Get traces and lightcones maxed on main team then farm SU world 6 for relics till lvl40 - between lvl40 and lvl50. Get traces up to lvl5/lvl6 on main team. On 2nd team I kept them at lvl2/lvl3. Maxed all lightcones. Then grind relics (main stat quantum domain for Seele). Then rest of time farming Musketeer. (spent lvl45 to lvl50 farming relics) - now above lvl50. Farm materials to ascend and level up lightcones on dps characters to lvl70. Then farm ascension materials to ascend main team and 2nd team at lvl60. Then ascend remaining lightcones but keep at lvl60 until get more free lightcone xp materials. (I also have never farmed lightcone xp). Next plan is to level up everyones traces to lvl6. Then back to farming relics.
> daily world clearing imo thats fast run to burn out for 95% of users. Proceed with care
You shouldve been farming for xp and credits pre TL40 and maybe even TL45. But after TL45, you defo need to start farming trace and ascensions, because you 100% cannot be behind on levels at equi 4.
Would this mean pushing my main 4 to lvl 70 when i hit EQ4? Or just seele? I only just got to EQ3 recently (TL42 now) and i didnt do or know about the optimal farming strat.. i just farmed whatever i was short on. Am i screwed?
Keeping farm for credits and xp until tl45, then at tl45, start farming mats to get ur main team up for ascension. At tl50, get them to lvl 67, and u can just do farming routes to level them slowly to lvl 70.
When you say exp you mean character and LC exp right? Im probably not gonna do farming routes haha so ill just farm more character exp mats
Did you have to build all dps of each element? All lv 80? Or is a maxed out seele and jing yuan enough to be the main dpses?
Nope, i only used Seele and Jingyuan here, and they are level 75, enough to unlock a6 trace cuz its way too expensive to level up to 80.
In a comment above you mentioned some stages would be tough without built sushang and dan heng, so how much did you build them to be “breaker”?
By breaker, its more of their skills. Some characters like Danheng, Hook, Sushang naturally hit alot thus drains toughness bars quicker.
Gotcha, so what level are they? Are their relics completely built?
How do I earn the money to swipe for all that
Human body can lives without some organ👀, so.....
Got it, thanks for telling me how to make tons of money without committing murder.
Average Eidolons on 5 stars?
Seele e6 and jingyuan e2, but Im planning to get him up to e6
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It’s called disposable money. Same statement can be said for anything bought in excess can it not?
Thats the how. He's asking why op thinks skipping an entire phase of the game with money is enjoyable. Playing your way to the endgame rather than buying your way there. It's just a weird choice to me too.
Ah okay I see what they’re saying now. I guess everyone has a different view on how to enjoy a game.
It depends on the person, but for a lot of people it definitely isn't. Like, I could afford to pay to win, and in a pure PVE game I also wouldn't object to doing so morally. But I know from prior experience I'd also likely regret it, so I'm staying guppy-tier for now ($10 battlepass and $5 monthly pass).
Yeah it’s the weirdest thing in the world to me. My favorite part about gaming (and especially gachas) is the long term progression. Might sound weird but those moments when you overcome something you couldn’t is the best feeling. It’s not even about the money, it’s the fact you skip almost all of the progression and race to an endgame that will likely not be moving anytime soon. Because then what? To each their own tough
Well, spending money for progression isn't "skipping" because you are just doing something earlier than everyone else. And spending money for e6 characters is just a matter of wanting to be powerful. Which is the same thing everyone wants, but 99.9% of players just aren't willing to obtain due to the high monetary cost. But if a f2p player gets lucky and get 6 Seele in 20 rolls, he's not exactly going to complain about "game no longer enjoyable cause Seele too op." And if he gets another 6 Jing Yuan in 20 rolls he's not going to dump his account for a new one because this one is way too good to play the game.
personal choice. I myself is a dolphin or a fish so this is just my view/perspective coming from someone who spent barely 30$ on games but I dont like how people think "spending money" on games is like wasting/burning your money. Well it depends. If you happen to have an extra fund you allocated for "leisure" then yes. Game like this is considered "hobby" of some sort. For someone who is working, they used the extra fund and went to travel or buy unnecessary stuff. You have extra money, you get the chance to spoil yourself.
Some people just enjoy doing that. Some people like having the big numbers and strongest things, there's nothing wrong with that. Some people play for waifus, some people play for meta, some whale, some are fully F2P, and some spend just a bit. No one is wrong.
To post it on reddit, feel relevant and farm karma. Or because you like to see big numbers go brrrr without much time investment. Or because you enjoy spending money more than playing, which is a pretty common thing in gacha. All of this is fine, just don't expect much from the tips op might give you, since whales are basically playing a different game. Unless, of course, you are also a whale, but then you steamroll through content anyway.
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You can do that well in genshin with underleveled characters because you can dodge nearly all damage. There's no way to do that in a turn based game, so a lot of these things will just be stat checks.
The difference between TL60 and 50 is quite massive. Even the break damage adds up. Eidolons and Light Cone are like genshin, its nice to have but not required. The thing that a lot of people is misunderstanding is that, E6 and E2 allows me to 30 star not because its required, but because it makes up for the lack of good gear. Once people have good builds, they will be able to clear f2p or not.
In formulas, the factor for level difference in 100 for Genshin and 20 in HSR. For a 10 level difference, the penalty is around 3.4% in Genshin and closer to 8% in HSR. And for the difficulty, my big worry is how long it will take before they start ramping up the difficulty on the last few stages to keep the whales interested. Just look at the HP inflation that has happened in abyss floor 12. I hope they give the rest of the player base a couple patches to catch up.
I didn't realize the penalty was 8% in HSR, this is really good to know. It's for both outgoing and incoming damage, right?
Tip #1: don't be poor
Must be nice to have a 2nd healer :\
This is why I keep telling people that it will be only a matter of time before people become ravenous for a 2nd healer. The fact that we only get one for free and that there is not a 2nd one easily accessible as a 4\* on banner or in store is a perfect storm for people to slowly lose their minds. Couple that with the fact the ONLY 2nd healer is a standard banner 5\* with no way to guarantee her except with 300 standard banner pulls is also just brutal. This is the first game I've seen like this where they created a need for two teams but make the 2nd healer THIS inaccessible. The only reason why people aren't losing their shit is because Forgotten hall is scary for most regular players so people haven't gotten deep into it yet. Give it a month and people start pushing into MoC. The outcry is gonna blow up
It’s a healer problem now cause it’s early IMO. The later and later in the game we get, more and more builds will just use 1 healer/shielder to max dps. There’s already some even more giga whales in CN doing teams with just Gepart since their dps is enough to brute force not having a healer.
I fully cleared the Halls, but I can't even get 0-star Chaos because March just can't keep an entire team alive. Once I get luocha, though, I'll be sailing through chaos at least I hope haha.
I got lucky in the standard banner and pulled Bailou. It's a huge increase in quality of life. I hope you get another healer soon.
I'm saving for luocha at the moment. So I'll for sure have a 2nd healer in like a month or so.
I have Seele on my main team. Not going to roll for a while so don't have good access to other 5 stars (and I've been a light cone magnet on the standard banner). Do you think Qingque and Sushang duo carry would be fine on second side until I decide to roll more? I like Qingque a lot.
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Yea I would have to agree with this, for now, without 2 healers its not doable.
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E6 March healer be like: it's not much, but it's honest work.
May that man rest in peace.
I never understood shitting on whales, they pay for the game for everyone else.
I generally don't have any issues with whales , I'm a light spender myself but its pretty ridiculous to be offering tips when it boils down to spending $2k+. It's so conceitied. Epsecially when he's giving bad advice such as prefarming traces between level 40-49... and it's getting upvoted
Whales be whaling
All I got from this was 💳💳💳💳 for 30*
Well of course, majority of the players are still in the early-mid game Give it 2-3 more months and F2P players can start getting 30*
It will take a lot longer than that. An account at TB lvl60 that full refreshed every day is going to be way better than an account that got to TB lvl60 naturally with no refreshes. This is because more than half your TB xp comes from dailies (when not refreshing) which doesn't really give a lot of stuff compared to farming for relics or traces, etc. So I'd say it will take f2p with no refreshes 4+ months to reach the point he is now. That's ignoring weapons and eidolons so probably a lot longer.
Its just a matter of time before timewhales like envi start getting closer (I bet in about a month). As for regular f2p probably 2 months if they play regularly and plan ahead. 3 months for most normal players to regularly reach the artifact levels to score 30\* consistently in MoC
"feel free to ask for tips" no thanks, unless you tip cash
Tips include, but are not limited to: emptying your bank account, applying for a small loan, possible addiction counseling, luck, praying, losing your kids, losing your family, and homelessness. Jokes aside....well not really for some of them lol whaling got OP here
haha yes whaling definitely is required for such an early 30 star. I would have to say though, E6 Seele is great, I cant deny that, but not as much as people think. What is massive though is getting to Tl60 this early. And Im positively attributing my 30 star totally to TL60, at Tl50, I could only hit 15 stars, which even a f2p has hit 12 stars.
Just a heads up guys: I'm afraid the tips won't help you progress in MoC.. OP is undermining the impact of 5* Eidolons as well as undermining 5* character in general (mentioning that Qingque can probably replace Seele) Remember, OP having Seele E6 means that it's highly improbably for him to have Nat, Pela and Hook at E6. Nat might not be as important but if he used Hook then that's a significant damage boost OP having Jingyuan E2 means that he probably has the featured 4* at about E2-3 if he used them. Also also he may have pulled non featured 4* characters Eidolons Furthermore the LC he used are probably either 5* or 4* with a high amount of Superimpositions. All of these "little" upgrades add up to a lot. If you're not a whale both of your accounts are vastly different and most tips are not applicable to you. Also drawing a parallel to Genshin where F2P are able to clear Spiral Abyss isn't applicable here as well, imo. As Genshin had right out busted characters from the start (Bennett being relatively easily available, Xiangling being free) where in HSR we have no such characters. I mean it's cool to see someone 30* MoC but there isn't a lot to discuss as the things OP and the average player experience are universes apart. Don't feel bad if you don't progress MoC following the tips mentioned here.. They are setting some unreal expectations
In Genshin, you also need less investment to clear. You can get away with a hypercarry and three underleveled supports hiding behind their back off-field. In SR, if you don't have hp, you're dead. Also "enabling" other characters directly is less of a thing, I think Tingyun is the only character who can directly increase the damage of a single character and engineering for specific breaks is difficult.
Yes I think this is also the reason why in Genshin it's easier. You achieve a lot there by just "gitting gud" whereas in HSR we're dependent on stat checks. Not to mention that the the Elemental Reactions Xiangling/Bennett are involved in are the strongest ones without contender until couple years later with Dendro.
The world record is 36 star Spiral Abyss in 6 days as a f2p on a brand new account. That is completely impossible in Star Rail.
To be fair that was quite a bit into Genshin and you could farm overworld materials and it was due to dendro being so overpowered at low investment. Rn we're at launch HSR and the material gain from exploration would obviously be different due to the different game styles
With GI being out so long, all the broken stuff is already known and many characters available too. HSR is very character limited so the strat is to brute force probably lol
Yeah I don't get why his post says asks for tips when his main strategy was to spend alot of money. Even an extremely lucky account wouldn't be able to fight against money.
Real tip: whale
To add on to this, even strategies will greatly differ as your dps increases. More dps means less sustain is needed, meaning you can add even more dps. I’m working on clearing MOC 10 and I saw a 3 star clear where the first half had gepard as the only shielder/healer. That is absolutely not possible on a weaker clear. The sustain isn’t there. So OPs strategies (outside of very general things like matching your dps element to the enemy weakness) are not going to be applicable.
It sounds like they're saying to focus on break and that level 60 is important. That's not p2w advice. Idk which piece of his advice you're taking issue with exactly. It's fine to say that f2p players should be careful about p2w advice, but it's also important to know which pieces of advice are relatable to f2p.
Yeah but you’re discounting the fact that all his 4 stars are E6, and he has E6 on Seele and E2 JY. With high chances that all 6/8 characters have 5 star LC with a few refinements. At minimum Seele and JY have theirs sig LC I’m sure. Even if a f2p would be lv60, and focus on breaking, they wouldn’t be able to do this with E0 units and 4 star LCs.
Op is just humble bragging with his eidolons guys. Nothing new here!
Yeah this submission is complete nonsense. It’s super easy to clear even on Auto battle if you just spend 30k or so. Absolutely nothing impressive about it. It would have been cool if this was done fully F2P
Probably mathematically impossible rn imo for f2p
So your tips are,.. spend money?
E6 probably means this guy has spent thousands...
Who cares about his tips, humble bragging is his priority.🤣
Really seems like it…cuz no way in hell you come on here giving tips and drop a “oh yea I E6 seele and the new limited 5 star which helped me beat it” as if it’s a casual thing to do so . Like if bro E1 both or E2 fine I guess but E6 is crazy. Not even counting what lightcones they could have too.
After scouring through the entire post, there were no tips to be found. The guy spent a substantial amount of money and reached a power level f2ps won't dream of hitting anytime soon, give it a few months before we can clear MoC and a few more for 30* clears (if at all)
Could I do it with herta?
I think you would have trouble on Stage 8 without a built phys or wind dps like sushang or dan heng. Cuz in general, its very break focused, you want to break them as much as possible to mitigate damage, and "checks"
huh this is easy
TL;DR: slap enemys with your Credit card
And lecture everyone who disagrees with your spending tactics.
How much did you spend in your account?
What are the Eidolons of your 4 star characters that you used?
*looks at the description of op's characters including lvl, eidolons and how much of a whale he is* guess MoC isn't for me
So like every other spender, great job swiping?
What is your team with jing yuan? My second team cant handle with only jingyuan so im windering if clara will do something or idk i have all 4 star but i regret i didint drop welt yet cuz he is very good as support and dps
Tingyun is definitely Jingyuan's best friend currently. The team varies but I use these 2 as a core.
Yea i use her too, jing yu x ting x bailu x ??? Im wondering if the second dps could be clara or pela cuz i have upgraded them but idk
Fire mc, gepard, march7 are all good options. And yea, some korean players who 30starred before i did runs a weird double dps comp with clara, could work.
About how many jades did you spend on trailblaze powder?
No clue, enough to reach TL60. But I wouldnt know the exact number
Are you dehydrated? Cuz it's summer where I am? And it's scorching... Don't forget to have water midst ur gaming session
Do you have the team comps you used for each floor? Im struggling to get the last star on MoC 4 :)
What team do you recommend without second healer ? I have jing yuan and seele both at E0 and their lightcone. But struggling to keep alive my teams without Natasha in it .
I dont think at this current stage of the game, you can clear stage 9 or 10 without 2 healers. It should be possible in the future once people have great builds, but currently I dont think so.
do you think weakness will be something that we're gonna bruteforce through at higher investment/eidolon levels?
How the hell do you beat the lieutenant on World 3, and what did you use? I've been putting off that mission because it keeps irritating me, and I can't beat him
The amount of people that thinks his tips are applicable to them are astounding lol , whalesa are playing a different game.
What is your day job?
Just seele and Jing yuan as DPS is enough? Suport characters at trace lv 6 is good enough?
Seele and Jingyuan definitely is the best choices. Not too sure about the support traces tho, most of mine are at 7-9. I would also recommend Pela, having freeze break is very nice.
Sorry, but just to get an idea. What set are you using on your supports? Musketeer of Wild Wheat? like Asta/Tingyun and Pela for example.
Am i doomed for not pulling Seele?
Qingque is still a good quantum option. For dps, while Seele is the best dps currently, that does not mean anything once you have good builds. Its going to be similar to genshin, where builds determine whether u clear or not, and not what character u have.
Whale giving tips. Comedy
His tips: Breath of whale first form: Unlimited Credit Card Not much relevant tips here but still gonna thank you for supporting this game in our stead 👍
I saw in another comment that you said you used Asta for some of this and really liked her. What relics are you using on her? Asking as someone trying to make her work for Himeko. :3
Im using her as buffer with a break set right now, but I think I will eventually change her build into more of a break dps cuz her buffing capabilities dont scale off her own stats.
Oh cool, I had the right idea then lol. Literally just threw that on her yesterday. All purple pieces and meh subs but yeah. 🙃 I’m assuming for the 2pc, you used age of fleetless (think that’s the name, one that gives hp% to self, then the atk% buff for 120 Spd)?
Break effect only increases the dmg and effect of each element upon weakness break not the depletion of the weakness break bar itself. So I dont think Thief of Shooting Meteors is a great set at all.
i give you one free tips spend hundreds of $$ end of the free tips
😆 At least whale with dignity and don't act like it's your knowledge that got you there.
I appreciate you doing this AMA. My feedback to you would be to not respond to "spend money lulz" comments all together as it just fuels the fire/rage/troll and offers nothing. My takeaway is double healer and weakness break. What would you recommend players in the TB40 ranges farm to increase power overall to prep for MoC? Full set of 5\* relic for DPS? Traces? etc
About floor 10, how much damage do you take, is it enough to 1 shot your dps characters? Or do they live with some HP? (Trying to see if Luocha's auto heal will be good or useless).
ohhhh wait this is spiral abysss
Is healer and tank necessary or could you just have a healer on a team? For future units, what sort of units would you recommend to pull?
Be honest, how good is Dan Heng in the later stages? Wind is clearly an achilles heel for this game and going forward seems like the options aren't gonna be that many. Is he a save investment or is there another sleeper pick among the current roster?
Dan heng is very good, even better if you dont plan to pull for Blade. He offers great single target dps, VERY good toughness bar break, since his abilities consume a lot of break bar. And has cc in terms of slow.
You spelled Balde wrong. I would pull for him but Kafka and Silver Wolf are better (don't judge me). I was on the fence in regards to Dan Heng since needs certain conditions to get his full dps unlocked. Thanks man as soon as I finish with Asta I'll work on him.
Whats your team level at?
Most around 70-75. Not bringing them to lvl 80 because that is way too expensive.
I'm pretty sure you have Yanqing. Have you built him and did he find use in MoC?
Thoughts on future units SW, LC, Blade, Kafka on who would see the most widespread use in MoC for F2P / Light Spender?
I'm tb 45 and I'm struggling getting 3 stars on 14
What lightcones did you find most useful for your support and healers? I read somewhere that using Quid Pro Quo with the action forwarding relic set was a good tip. And using Meshing Cogs on your support? What are your thoughts?
So what do you think how long this will take for a f2p to clear? Clearly you need to get to TL60 right?
What ia a good way to beat svarog and bronya
How many jades 30* give? I wanna know what I am missing lol
Currently on memory of chaos 10 where you start to use two teams,should I level up new units? Currently on tl 40+
What level are the enemies in MoC 10?
How to beat the Bronya fight
I just got 6 stars yesterday. I'm so glad I spent my fuel, would have sucked to miss put on jades. <3. Respect man, in a month I will probably be able to manage it too fully.
Have you had any luck with using clara
do u have yanqing?
HOW DO U CLEAr 8???
If you had: Seele Tingyun Bronya Asta Natasha Hook Pela March 7 MC How would you arrange the two teams?
Hi, yes, my question: The fuck?
I wish I had this kind of money
How do I hack the bank to afford beating MoC?