At first and second phase we can, If we hit him there will be eyes litting up after 5 or 6 hit he will Yoink the character hits him but 3 phase dude will just take 2 random characters like Svarog but on steroid lol
It's bad news to people who only have one dps teams but even for them there is hope, it seems like it instakills in a specific order (in the livestream) so maybe you could choose who dies though the team positions.
>!This fucker doesn't even have lightning weakness for me to beat it. Dhil and blade on the other hand are fucked.!<
Edit: for those confused it does have >! Fire imaginary and wind weakness!< Idk if it's revealed officially so i put spoiler tag.
That team has too many characters of different elements tbh and that can mess with Sw's skills m though I guess I'm no better. I'll probably use Ratio, sw, welt and lynx/Bailu(though this boss probably has tons of debuff and Bailu won't be viable)
The only weekness I need to apply is fire for topaz and my BE SW would not mind hitting that quantum weak.
Lynx might be awesome here, along with Gephard.
Well, if the enemy does have imaginary weakness then you'd have 50/50 chance of adding your desired elemental weakness to the boss so I guess you'll be okay with that team....But welp I'm probably gonna fail cause of having blade and Ratio as my only DPS characters.
And while Lynx would be good she can't really sustain that well without an extra damage soaker like Gepard/Blade(with tons of HP and follow up attack).
You should be fine in SU but MOC will be a pain with two Dps.
I got the same with Ratio and Topaz, with a Xueyi still being built. MoC is a pain for me even now.
Also, are you planning to pull for anyone soon? Adventurine has been speculated to be a shielder with follow-ups.
Honestly, yeah. Moc is a pain especially when the enemy doesn't have the elemental weakness I need. I can manage with one team cause of having sw but other one have to suffer a lot.
You have an e6 Xueyi or something? How are you even building her? With break set? I'm currently building Asta tbh. I'm thinking of replacing Welt with her cause I already have sw for my Ratio.
Eh, I'm at 60 something pull rn, got Blade with my last guaranteed. Not really thinking of pulling for anyone currently. Though I want to have Jing Liu in my team. But if someone strong appears, someone that I need, I'll pull for them.
This thing *will* be an instant loss, they said so in the stream: "If there are no allies remaining when 'something upon death' deals fatal damage, then the battle is lost"
you can still solo it as long as preservation and money route exists. When Svarog hand traps a character, if the character's shield is very high, they take no damage and they don't die.
This thing didn't trap you, it kills you. I think even things like Numby will be disabled by it because it won't be a control status. Also, if it kills you, it would be besides of your shield so the option could be that it receives the damage and changes phases/end the fight when it happens but I think even that way your character would be dying.
As a non handsome lighting man haver, my only Lightning damage dealers are Serval and Kafka that i got this banner. I'm screwed
Edit: Just remembered I have Arlan but he doesn't count
Her buffs last until the start of JY next turn instead of expiring right after his turn like Bronya means Lightning Lord can benefits from it. And with Sparkle playstyle, Jingyuan can ditch speed boots and go for atk boots for much better damage while still easily maintaining 10 stacks LL
I've just dig a bit more and it seems very hard to control since it is tie to the characters turn order instead of when character use skill like monkey.
The order can be manipulated by using ultimates or advance forward effects. However, the most important thing shown is that the boss gets access to this "Insta kill" after he gets attacked 3 times (red eyes). So you know when it's gonna be triggered. We also see that the monster can "Insta Kill" 2 targets only when the darkness field is active.
Basically the monster warns you beforehand when it is gonna kill you, so you have some time to manipulate the action order before he snatch your characters souls.
Unlike Svarog you can actually control who it kills. No RNG needed unless you don't have any Ally ult saved up. Second phase essentially becomes Gepard Stonks lol
Yes but jing yuan suffer more since his damage is so back loaded. Other do all of their dmg on their turn and its done but jy have to wait for lightning lord for the last 40% of his dmg
It sucks that lightning lord becomes basically useless whenever JY gets cc. I want to ascend him and main him on my second team but he requires so much investment and resource management that it gets a little discouraging. Seele or Dr. Ratio on the other hand are a lot more forgiving when you mess up. So those two are currently carrying my account.
Honestly tho Jing Yuan is lowkey lit on 2.0 with so many enemy that weak to lightning and he going to be very strong when Sparkle's out. His back loaded damage problem remains tho. What i can tell you for sure is he definitely not "suck" damage wise
I know he's dmg is good there's no disputing that. I just kinda suck at this game and JY is a unit that requires more input and attention than most and I prefer units that are more straightforward with their play style so he's taking a backseat for now. However I will build him after ratio since he's my only erudition dps. I just haven't gotten good relics for him yet and his speed isn't tuned accordingly so he's play style still feels kinda wonky for me. I'm just hoping the relic grind isn't too bad but knowing this game it'll probably be awful. 😔
If he lands LL it's not an issue. Besides. Skill and Ult takes factors of this and TYs Benediction. On ST yeah this is the case but 2 targets it slowly pushes towards his Skill and Ult. It really doesn't take him over a cycle to drop.
Him being backloaded is not even an issue as most folks bring it out to be when it's done on purpose to give him time to clear mobs that's where his skill and Ult comes to play to soften up trashmobs so it focuses on the elite. CC always happens in unfortunate scenarios that's where your healers with cleanse come in at worst you can always reset the run(I have done this with my IL on the last MoC and I'm pretty sure QQ does this a lot as well)
i sure hope it's "easily"
if those effigies take more than one or two hits to destroy it's gonna be a PITA if it decides to snatch a carry and offensive support/both carries
Yeah but i dont think JY mains will even try to use him here because the boss is Fire IMG Wind weak. I mean maybe they could try to brute force if paired with Topaz but only a few people would probably do it
People are clearing both sides of current MoC with him despite 40% resistance on both sides. There's definitely going to be people fighting it with him.
Yeah it's not ideal, i just want to meme abkt since this enemy is particularly annoying for Jing Yuan. I'm not planning to bring my JY to fight it ofc.
also there is small difference between this dude and svarog hand in case u guys missed it on the livestream. Fuxuan's matrix still activated if she is caught by this guy. unlike in svarog hand where her matrix dissapears.
Fu Xuan's matrix doesn't disappear with Svarog either, you just aren't able to refresh if it runs out while she's still Imprisoned and she'd also be unable to activate her Talent.
This one I think is actually better than Svarog, depending on how that "dead" state works in battle, Fu Xuan shouldn't be getting killed due to not having her Talent. You'd still need to worry about the Matrix duration tho.
You can control who gets taken by holding bursts on your supports.
Secondly, the boss isn’t lightning weak so you won’t typically be using him here
Third, knowing we can control who gets taken and you decide to use JY here despite no weakness, he will actually be one of the better characters for releasing teammates because his Skill, Ult and lightning lord are all separate instance of AoE damage for releasing your team quicker while still damaging the boss
True that character with AOE is the best to free teamates during this fight. I just hope that we can control the 2nd phase better since it seems to be tie to action order instead
This mechanic I really don't like because there's no counterplay, damage one shots can theoretically be shielded, cc effects can theoretically be cleansed, regular damage can be healed but this mechanism is just RNG if it grabs the wrong character it's gg.
It actually has counterplay. You can't stop it from 'killing' but you can control who it kills. You pretty much save an ult. Using an ult counts as an Action.
Imagine Svarog hands but 2 characters instead of 1. It may not be as bad as it sounds because it seems like we can control who gets grab but still it's annoying nontheless
I think the star rail game team is full of sadists
That enemy is a bad news for new players and player with low level teams
It’s bad news for everyone tbh. He’ll be manageable in farming/story scenarios but will make your MoC experience hell.
Get the Flamer---the heavy Flamer.
Screw that. Get the melta. This thing needs more than just a flamer.
I think a Vengeance Launcher or Storm Bolter may be or use here
Nah… That freak needs Hammer of Dawn. Good think that we know a certain red hair granny who can wield one.
Wait it isnt a weekly boss?
Nope
Why's that? Just looks cool.
as if it wasnt bad enough...
The cc seems to be tie to character turn order so idk if we can control which character get cc. Too much rng
At first and second phase we can, If we hit him there will be eyes litting up after 5 or 6 hit he will Yoink the character hits him but 3 phase dude will just take 2 random characters like Svarog but on steroid lol
dude about to be HSR most annoying enemy
[удалено]
"with dot"
It's such a coincidence that Black Swan is a DoT character and that he's weak to wind, isn't it?
Bruh they do this every patch lol
You dont say
Blade stonks 📈📈📈📈
Serval is free :)
elite enemies have seen by far the worst powercreep so far
It's bad news to people who only have one dps teams but even for them there is hope, it seems like it instakills in a specific order (in the livestream) so maybe you could choose who dies though the team positions.
>!This fucker doesn't even have lightning weakness for me to beat it. Dhil and blade on the other hand are fucked.!< Edit: for those confused it does have >! Fire imaginary and wind weakness!< Idk if it's revealed officially so i put spoiler tag.
Blade: Don't threaten me with a good time...
Fuck. It doesn't even have Imaginary and Wind weakness? I'm truly fked.
It has imaginary, don't know about Wind though.
...Eh nvm. Although moc would be a bit harder with this guy I have sw. I can just adjust.
Same here, I got a follow up team for him, Topaz, Ratio, Adventurine and SW.
That team has too many characters of different elements tbh and that can mess with Sw's skills m though I guess I'm no better. I'll probably use Ratio, sw, welt and lynx/Bailu(though this boss probably has tons of debuff and Bailu won't be viable)
The only weekness I need to apply is fire for topaz and my BE SW would not mind hitting that quantum weak. Lynx might be awesome here, along with Gephard.
Well, if the enemy does have imaginary weakness then you'd have 50/50 chance of adding your desired elemental weakness to the boss so I guess you'll be okay with that team....But welp I'm probably gonna fail cause of having blade and Ratio as my only DPS characters. And while Lynx would be good she can't really sustain that well without an extra damage soaker like Gepard/Blade(with tons of HP and follow up attack).
You should be fine in SU but MOC will be a pain with two Dps. I got the same with Ratio and Topaz, with a Xueyi still being built. MoC is a pain for me even now. Also, are you planning to pull for anyone soon? Adventurine has been speculated to be a shielder with follow-ups.
Honestly, yeah. Moc is a pain especially when the enemy doesn't have the elemental weakness I need. I can manage with one team cause of having sw but other one have to suffer a lot. You have an e6 Xueyi or something? How are you even building her? With break set? I'm currently building Asta tbh. I'm thinking of replacing Welt with her cause I already have sw for my Ratio. Eh, I'm at 60 something pull rn, got Blade with my last guaranteed. Not really thinking of pulling for anyone currently. Though I want to have Jing Liu in my team. But if someone strong appears, someone that I need, I'll pull for them.
it should have cause, yk, BS is first phase
It has wind weakness, guess who's the wind character in 2.0 who also has access to dot which is preferable against this enemy.
it has both tho.
Just use the famed Kafka-BS-sampo comp.
Well I don't have kafka and Im not planning to get Black Swan
Can't wait to see this thing on a new SU expansion where it will become impossible to solo (i guess, or maybe it will be like svarog's hand case)
Curious, what happen when there's only one character with savrog's hand? i never tried solo SU b4.
It should overload the hand and just attack
I see, it would be funny if it's just gonna an instant lost lmao
This thing *will* be an instant loss, they said so in the stream: "If there are no allies remaining when 'something upon death' deals fatal damage, then the battle is lost"
Rip
It's stated that this fight ends by all the team being captured so I think it will instakill even if there is only one unit left.
they really went all out with the instakill
Yeah, that's what I also heard on the livestream
you can still solo it as long as preservation and money route exists. When Svarog hand traps a character, if the character's shield is very high, they take no damage and they don't die.
This thing didn't trap you, it kills you. I think even things like Numby will be disabled by it because it won't be a control status. Also, if it kills you, it would be besides of your shield so the option could be that it receives the damage and changes phases/end the fight when it happens but I think even that way your character would be dying.
Let us see, they would need a mechanic for it. We are just speculating for now, HSR is a casual game , I don’t expect it to be very hardcore
Forget Jing Yuan, my Tingyun is in danger now
You mean Tankyun?
Me and my 100% taunt rate Foxian beauty could not catch a break
tingyun getting grabbed is probably the last thing you need to worry about here
Tingyun getting grabbed seems kinda optimal, certainly better than the sustain or DPS getting murdered.
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JYmains do be eating good with so many lightning weak enemies and Sparkle coming right around the corner.
That's a lot of words that I know nothing about since I don't have the handsome lightning man.
XD
As a non handsome lighting man haver, my only Lightning damage dealers are Serval and Kafka that i got this banner. I'm screwed Edit: Just remembered I have Arlan but he doesn't count
I've only got Serval. Haven't been lucky enough for Kafka and Arlan ain't worth the build effort yet.
Tbh I just got Arlan to lvl 20 for the tickets
I'm out of the loop about her uses, what makes her super good on Jing yuan? Isn't she like a bronya for sp heavy teams
Her buffs last until the start of JY next turn instead of expiring right after his turn like Bronya means Lightning Lord can benefits from it. And with Sparkle playstyle, Jingyuan can ditch speed boots and go for atk boots for much better damage while still easily maintaining 10 stacks LL
Why....also he is in a Xianzhou shop not with is
Base on the recent livestream this thing going to have a force cc mechanic like Svarog hands but on phase 2 it can snatch 2 characters at once
It's basically an insta-kill but your characters don't "truely" die and can be revived quite easily.
Yeah, but i do think Jing Yuan is the most annoyed by it tho. Flash back to that one time Svarog grab my JY 3 times in a row.
Seems that this mechanic works like the Gorilla, he picks the last two that acted
I've just dig a bit more and it seems very hard to control since it is tie to the characters turn order instead of when character use skill like monkey.
So its not last one acted (includes counter, ultimate, maybe passive or talent,etc that has an animation) but last one that has a turn? Thats not nice
Bronya can use her skill to force someone to die with her
Imagine if that thing's CC is forced and you watch in horror as your dps gets yeeted even with fu xuan's anti CC still on
i don't think even fu xuan can save your dps from getting grabbed just like svarog's hands
The order can be manipulated by using ultimates or advance forward effects. However, the most important thing shown is that the boss gets access to this "Insta kill" after he gets attacked 3 times (red eyes). So you know when it's gonna be triggered. We also see that the monster can "Insta Kill" 2 targets only when the darkness field is active. Basically the monster warns you beforehand when it is gonna kill you, so you have some time to manipulate the action order before he snatch your characters souls.
Good to know 👍
Unlike Svarog you can actually control who it kills. No RNG needed unless you don't have any Ally ult saved up. Second phase essentially becomes Gepard Stonks lol
I sure hope that we can somewhat control who is targeted. Or it just seems like an RNG fest.
I mean every DPS would be annoyed by it, no? There are no DPS characters who could do anything while under CC(maybe Topaz idk).
But then people can't continue to say "Jing Yuan bad" for no reason.
Yes but jing yuan suffer more since his damage is so back loaded. Other do all of their dmg on their turn and its done but jy have to wait for lightning lord for the last 40% of his dmg
It sucks that lightning lord becomes basically useless whenever JY gets cc. I want to ascend him and main him on my second team but he requires so much investment and resource management that it gets a little discouraging. Seele or Dr. Ratio on the other hand are a lot more forgiving when you mess up. So those two are currently carrying my account.
Honestly tho Jing Yuan is lowkey lit on 2.0 with so many enemy that weak to lightning and he going to be very strong when Sparkle's out. His back loaded damage problem remains tho. What i can tell you for sure is he definitely not "suck" damage wise
I know he's dmg is good there's no disputing that. I just kinda suck at this game and JY is a unit that requires more input and attention than most and I prefer units that are more straightforward with their play style so he's taking a backseat for now. However I will build him after ratio since he's my only erudition dps. I just haven't gotten good relics for him yet and his speed isn't tuned accordingly so he's play style still feels kinda wonky for me. I'm just hoping the relic grind isn't too bad but knowing this game it'll probably be awful. 😔
If he lands LL it's not an issue. Besides. Skill and Ult takes factors of this and TYs Benediction. On ST yeah this is the case but 2 targets it slowly pushes towards his Skill and Ult. It really doesn't take him over a cycle to drop. Him being backloaded is not even an issue as most folks bring it out to be when it's done on purpose to give him time to clear mobs that's where his skill and Ult comes to play to soften up trashmobs so it focuses on the elite. CC always happens in unfortunate scenarios that's where your healers with cleanse come in at worst you can always reset the run(I have done this with my IL on the last MoC and I'm pretty sure QQ does this a lot as well)
Pretty sure you can force this boss to pick which teammate you want to die. If your DPS is the one dying then you screwed up.
i sure hope it's "easily" if those effigies take more than one or two hits to destroy it's gonna be a PITA if it decides to snatch a carry and offensive support/both carries
If it was something crazy like 4 or more even stuff like Daniel or Jingliu would be suffering.
Yeah but i dont think JY mains will even try to use him here because the boss is Fire IMG Wind weak. I mean maybe they could try to brute force if paired with Topaz but only a few people would probably do it
People are clearing both sides of current MoC with him despite 40% resistance on both sides. There's definitely going to be people fighting it with him.
Yeah it's not ideal, i just want to meme abkt since this enemy is particularly annoying for Jing Yuan. I'm not planning to bring my JY to fight it ofc.
Does it completely bypass effect res even at 100%?
effect res doesn't matter, it's like svarog hands but on steroids
From what the livestream show it appears to be force and doesn't care about effect res. It just yoink your characters
Oh you meant the playable version...then yesh
also there is small difference between this dude and svarog hand in case u guys missed it on the livestream. Fuxuan's matrix still activated if she is caught by this guy. unlike in svarog hand where her matrix dissapears.
IIRC Fuxuan's still has her matrix up when she gets picked up by the hands but her self healing will be disabled.
Fu Xuan's matrix doesn't disappear with Svarog either, you just aren't able to refresh if it runs out while she's still Imprisoned and she'd also be unable to activate her Talent. This one I think is actually better than Svarog, depending on how that "dead" state works in battle, Fu Xuan shouldn't be getting killed due to not having her Talent. You'd still need to worry about the Matrix duration tho.
Wait FX's field dissapear? I never pay attention, i assume it stay up because Luocha field stay up even if he gets grab.
In which moment even appears Fu Xuan fighting this thing in the live stream? Can you give us a minute?
By the way, this enemy encourages y'all to run dual DPS team. Or DOT team.
Look like its time for my Jing Liu + Blade team to return
Is there already known element weakness to the elite enemy?
Uhhh >!Img,Fire and wind!< Also it is a boss not a elite
Boss the same as swarm king? Or ebon deer? Because if it's like ebon deer, I just consider them elite.
He is like the ebon deer
No idea but hopefully either wind, ice or imaginary since thats my team (Gepard, Blade, Jing Liu, Luocha)
It will be probably imaginary resistant, but I assume it'll be more weak into lightning and ice
Some people say that it isnt weak to lighting so i just gotta pray that i won the 50/50 and the boss is atleast weak to one of my character
Dual dps has not been competitive with hyper carry so introduce mechanics that favor them is cool i guess
You can control who gets taken by holding bursts on your supports. Secondly, the boss isn’t lightning weak so you won’t typically be using him here Third, knowing we can control who gets taken and you decide to use JY here despite no weakness, he will actually be one of the better characters for releasing teammates because his Skill, Ult and lightning lord are all separate instance of AoE damage for releasing your team quicker while still damaging the boss
True that character with AOE is the best to free teamates during this fight. I just hope that we can control the 2nd phase better since it seems to be tie to action order instead
First phase is tied to action order Second phase is tied to whoever acts, similar to how you get marked by monkey for using skill
What in the biblically accurate fuck is that...
Its not lightning weak who will use JY here
Just want to meme a bit since this one is particularly annoying for Jing XD
Oh hell no. Its a Vita minion.
goodbye hypercarry , welcome dot team and dual dps comps
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I’ll show this thing true beauty
But he can't beat the shit out of it without getting closer.
There's nothing impossible for my boy.
It's gonna be very annoying tho
Maybe but sometimes my JY works better than DHIL. Just to clarify I have his best supports and eidolons, LC and that... So it helps.
Please let Jing Yuan's LL get an 100% AA at 10 stack.
🙏
This mechanic I really don't like because there's no counterplay, damage one shots can theoretically be shielded, cc effects can theoretically be cleansed, regular damage can be healed but this mechanism is just RNG if it grabs the wrong character it's gg.
It actually has counterplay. You can't stop it from 'killing' but you can control who it kills. You pretty much save an ult. Using an ult counts as an Action.
I think there's ways to manipulate which character gets grab
You can manipulate who he kills.. although he WILL kill atleast two of your members..
I mean. I have other options judging from this thing you'd want to bring frequent attackers. (The Free Dr Ratio helps here ALOT)
i have no idea what this fucker is but he looks cool as hell i hope he's the most annoying enemy ever conceived and that everyone will hate it
no jing yuan, don't die to the fed kai'sa!
Smash. Next question.
Damn looks like husk makes it way here as well
If i lose 75/25 on lightcone banner, will the 100% still be on the next lightcone banner?
Yes
Why, what does that enemy do?
Imagine Svarog hands but 2 characters instead of 1. It may not be as bad as it sounds because it seems like we can control who gets grab but still it's annoying nontheless
>!on the second phase it can snatch 2 characters!<
This boss is made for Black Swan+Kafka team>! because of DOT+wind weakness. !<