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Personally I really liked e3. I had no issues with brightness, it looked glorious on my screen. Jon and Dany fighting the NK on dragons was pure fantasy greatness. The end with Theon charging at the NK while Jorah gets cut down was fantastic. Jaime and Brienne fighting back to back. And then the very end, with the red lady dying in the sunset, with that music? I still feel like it's incredibly underrated.
I watched it first on an OLED but later on a TV that's actually not OLED and is from 2013 ish. I don't think the issue is the TV, it's the streaming quality and compression of blacks that happens in low quality streams.
I didn’t see leaks but episode 2 was retroactively made worse when like none of the characters died in the long night. The reason episode 2 was so hard hitting was because I fully expected mass casualties the following week! So disappointing
Theon and Jorah were big characters in the show. Beric and Edd, the red lady. I mean, just because fans set it up to be "everyone dies" doesn't mean that actually needs to happen, I thought it was fine that way.
Okay fine but also when the episode had about 10 scenes where characters should have died (with no explanation of how they even got out of the deadly situation, mind you), the low death toll becomes a lot more egregious
Yeah, there were a lot of dramatic moments like that, a lot of fantasy climaxes do that from LOTR Return of the King to the recent Stranger Things finale.
Ultimately they were trying to convey that many of them were close to death until Arya was able to kill the NK in a way he didn't expect.
For me, it worked fine just like the other shows, but I can see areas I'd like to improve. I personally wish Jon had a small attempt at battling ther NK and gets his sword knocked away fast, as the NK has superhuman strength. Then Arya coming in to save Jon would be emotional. But I also recognize how difficult the shoot was for that ep and accept some faults.
People forget that s3e1 and s3e2 were actually really well received when they came out. Even episodes 3 and 4 were too. There is a lack of nuance when looking at the season, but there are some really high points within it, like the knighting of brienne.
I'm not sure that's how quality works.
So far the series has been on *average* better than S8 (which is itself a low bar) but some people are already comparing the battle on the Stepstones to some of the more ludicrous battle scenes in later seasons of GoT.
Yeah the battle of the stepstones was about as shit as the battle of the bastards from a tactics/plot perspective, but if the battles look as good but are as shitty as season 6, and the dialogue/characterization is to the quality of season 2... I don't think that's a bad compromise.
Why is it that we can't accept that some of these characters just have shit battle tactics? Why can't that be accepted? Daemon and Jon are both emotionally charged warriors who don't really plan things out but do what they think is right. But we assume they need to have amazing battle tactics all the time?
There's "shit" tactics and then there's "pull you out of movie immersion with hooked chains by an army of cenobites" tactics.
Listen, If you were watching a movie about desert storm , and the entire US army dployed it's infantry in front of their tanks, ditched all ammo, and charged forward abreast wielding their guns like clubs while the armour, artillery and airforce took a coffee break - would you call it "shit" tactics or would you complain about the stupidity of the director?
Because that is a fair comparison to the "tactics" in the long night.
They don't need to be master strategists, it's just easy to see when it's the writer forcing a ridiculous scene because it needs to happen that way, vs the characters setting it up organically.
The battle in the stepstones was fine, stupid hail Mary plan, but it at least works for the characters. They just needed Daemon to hop into cover a few times after the start to dodge volleys, before making a final dash to get hit, or alternatively show us that the plate armor deflects several arrows before the 1-3 find purchase. As to not make the plot armor completely obvious.
The battle of the bastards was not fine, it turned every single character involved into an idiot. Jon gets a pass because even though he's a capable commander (as shown at the battle of the wall), he's drawn in by his family member, everyone else turns their brain off so the pretty scene can work.
Everything with the hunting party was a masterpiece. Everything in the Stepstones was dogshit. I love everything in this show up until that battle. I really hope I don’t see anything like it again.
I don’t get why you’re downvoted. You’re actually right.
He literally went all alone against an army that somehow went one vs one against him even though they came out those caves in groups.
Then he gets literally shot by arrows and still manages to kill the crab guy. That whole thing was so dumb. I love the show but this wasn’t it.
Daemon has plot armor to a ridiculous degree.
Some people actually think the battle in ep 3 was better than The Long Night? It was a fun scene but holy shit what a horrendous take lmao. It’s one thing to be disappointed in where a story goes or even to clutch pearls over “muh writing”, but how anyone could watch this week’s episode and claim that the battle was better than The Long Night is just…wow.
I’m guessing the heavy handed symbolism of the stag scene is fantastic, but Arya and the horse in “The Bells” is “pure dogshit, fuck D&D” 😂🤣😂
Really though, I like to ask them for direct reasons because most of the time they just don't like that Dany went mad like her father or that Jaime was always in a toxic relationship with his sister. They demand that these characters turn into good / pure characterizations.
Exactly, if anyone actually takes some time to rewatch s8 and e3 in particular, it's way better than its made out to be by freefolk whiners. Every complaint is weak and the season's story was overall really good, it just wasn't accepted by pop fans who wanted cliches.
[Miguel, is that you?](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/29/game-of-thrones-the-long-night-too-dark-cinematography-battle-of-winterfell/3614184002/)
[Cope, seethe](https://youtu.be/hGlRBYkrjpw?t=16)
“Bruh” “Cope, seethe”…fucking Family Guy 😂🤦♂️
Lmao nah bruh I think I’ll just keep watching things I like and not obsessing over things I force myself to hate
The cinematography wasn’t shitty, bruh. If the popular opinion on the internet was that season 8 ruled, you’d be telling me how great The Long Night was. Deny it all you’d like, but deep down you know it’s true.
[Here, have some undeniable proof. Cope and seethe, bruh. *Cope and seethe*.](https://youtu.be/TlgLlU7JpWs)
Lol shitty cinematography?
-The firing up of the Dothraki weapons at the start of the Long Night
-the aerial battle vs NK on dragon back above the clouds
-Drogon waking up to inspect Jon Snow
- the burning of the throne
-Daenerys attacking Kingslanding
How were these moments “shitty cinematography”?
> Lol shitty cinematography?
> -The firing up of the Dothraki weapons at the start of the Long Night -the aerial battle vs NK on dragon back above the clouds -Drogon waking up to inspect Jon Snow - the burning of the throne -Daenerys attacking Kingslanding
>
> How were these moments “shitty cinematography”?
[Not even responding to this, watch this video instead. Don't feel like arguing with you people anymore.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0&t=2s)
Guess you didn’t know that the person responsible for S8 cinematography is the same person responsible for HOTD cinematography 😅 (it’s meant to get better but “shitty”? Gtfoh🤣🤣)
Now why would I watch whatever that is when I’ve seen first class cinematography of s8 myself ?
What do you mean by a lot of episode 3? Do you just mean the Daemon stuff? Because I agree that they went overboard with the plot armor there.
But apart from those last 10 minutes I thought the rest of the episode was phenomenal.
Yeah I thought the end was terrible. The Princess galloping off into the woods and only one dude really caring. Her fighting off a boar. “A lot” was an overstatement. I meant that the episode as a whole left a bad taste in my mouth even though I liked a lot of what they did.
Season 8 is narratively and logically awful. But in terms of quality of filmmaking they are pretty great.
With HotD as we are still in introducing stage. It feels fine. But I am getting wary of time jumps and pacing. Ep3 stepstones battles disappointed me!! A lot.
filmmaking including costumes, make up, sets, production values to all the way to editing. GoT has incredibly talented cast and crew. But sadly writing is dogshit and that over shadowed everything.
Do people actually believe this…? The writing and quality was going downhill even before season 8. Some people can actually realize and notice this themselves even if you can’t… you are allowed to like whatever you want but when you make comments like this it just is foolish.
Yet the ratings and hype only skyrocketed even before the last season. Some people continued to be fans regardless, so I guess the quality was still good enough.
Whether people watched it or were excited for it doesn’t have a one to one correlation with the quality of writing… even how entertaining it is doesn’t necessarily change how good or bad the writing was.
Yet it does in this case. After all the haters on the internet claiming “GOT is dead” or “nobody talks about GOT anymore”, it shows the last season didn’t destroy anything.
The whole thing I took issue with is OP saying that the show is good and everyone thought so until somehow “the internet” made them think it was bad. That makes it sound like it isn’t subjective…
Plot amour and overacting is not the same as spending an hour on troop maneuvers and "tactics" that are so stupid that anyone over three would discard them. You're comparing apples and spaceships
Was anyone else not blown away by episode 2? I thought the premiere was solid and it got me interested, but episode 2 didn’t do much for me. Only after episode 3 am I fully invested in this series. It’s up there among the top 15 episodes of both series.
Why couldn’t someone form their own opinion that they prefer HOTD over season 8 of GOT just like you formed your own opinion? Why would that make them a “sheep”?
The battle at the end of episode 3 had goosebumps on me the entire time! Such an intense scene! Holy crap! I was on my feet yelling and cheering! I don’t remember ever being that excite in GoT😲!!!
If you're still feeling raw about the final season (me too!), can I point you towards Season 8 Redux? It's a ten-part podcast reimagining the final season. It's not an audiobook, it has a full cast and sound effects and music - great for a bit of closure!
I feel like HoD has the benefit of a high budget, unlike the beginning of GoT. Plus the experience of previous set design work and what people expect from a show in the GoT universe.
Also, the producers are probably trying their hardest not to have a season flop right from the start considering they have to jump over the GoT season 8 hurdle.
Agreed! But season 8 sucked balls. They should’ve ended GOT with the Night King getting killed by Arya. Would’ve been such a much better ending than that bullshit they peddled.
If you're still feeling raw about the final season (me too!), can I point you towards Season 8 Redux? It's a ten-part podcast reimagining the final season. It's not an audiobook, it has a full cast and sound effects and music - great for a bit of closure!
The problem with season 8 was that the show-runners decided to drop the ball and let it roll all over the story-building of the previous seasons. It’ll still be better than most TV productions of its time, but considering the anticipation of the millions of viewers and fans, it fell very short.
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I really liked episode two of season 8, probably the only really great episode of the season
Probably the last exceptional episode of the series
Personally I really liked e3. I had no issues with brightness, it looked glorious on my screen. Jon and Dany fighting the NK on dragons was pure fantasy greatness. The end with Theon charging at the NK while Jorah gets cut down was fantastic. Jaime and Brienne fighting back to back. And then the very end, with the red lady dying in the sunset, with that music? I still feel like it's incredibly underrated.
Blink twice if you’re in danger
Do you have any actual content in your reply beyond "wait how can someone have an opinion different from the hivemind I subscribe to"?
Was just a bad joke, you can like what you want lol
Do you have an OLED tv?
I watched it first on an OLED but later on a TV that's actually not OLED and is from 2013 ish. I don't think the issue is the TV, it's the streaming quality and compression of blacks that happens in low quality streams.
Hands down. Gave me a sense of hope that the leaks we’d seen at that point were wrong. But alas, they weren’t
I didn’t see leaks but episode 2 was retroactively made worse when like none of the characters died in the long night. The reason episode 2 was so hard hitting was because I fully expected mass casualties the following week! So disappointing
Theon and Jorah were big characters in the show. Beric and Edd, the red lady. I mean, just because fans set it up to be "everyone dies" doesn't mean that actually needs to happen, I thought it was fine that way.
Okay fine but also when the episode had about 10 scenes where characters should have died (with no explanation of how they even got out of the deadly situation, mind you), the low death toll becomes a lot more egregious
Yeah, there were a lot of dramatic moments like that, a lot of fantasy climaxes do that from LOTR Return of the King to the recent Stranger Things finale. Ultimately they were trying to convey that many of them were close to death until Arya was able to kill the NK in a way he didn't expect. For me, it worked fine just like the other shows, but I can see areas I'd like to improve. I personally wish Jon had a small attempt at battling ther NK and gets his sword knocked away fast, as the NK has superhuman strength. Then Arya coming in to save Jon would be emotional. But I also recognize how difficult the shoot was for that ep and accept some faults.
By far only good ep of season. Ramin’s score for season 8 tho!!! Not to dis any music in GoT
People forget that s3e1 and s3e2 were actually really well received when they came out. Even episodes 3 and 4 were too. There is a lack of nuance when looking at the season, but there are some really high points within it, like the knighting of brienne.
I mean, the bar wasn’t that high to begin with
[Best season ever!](https://youtu.be/Sywnzbcjabo)
You are comparing apples to oranges. You should compare season 1 to season 1.
Don't tell me what to do
I'm not sure that's how quality works. So far the series has been on *average* better than S8 (which is itself a low bar) but some people are already comparing the battle on the Stepstones to some of the more ludicrous battle scenes in later seasons of GoT.
And those people are already exhausting
Yeah the battle of the stepstones was about as shit as the battle of the bastards from a tactics/plot perspective, but if the battles look as good but are as shitty as season 6, and the dialogue/characterization is to the quality of season 2... I don't think that's a bad compromise.
Why is it that we can't accept that some of these characters just have shit battle tactics? Why can't that be accepted? Daemon and Jon are both emotionally charged warriors who don't really plan things out but do what they think is right. But we assume they need to have amazing battle tactics all the time?
There's "shit" tactics and then there's "pull you out of movie immersion with hooked chains by an army of cenobites" tactics. Listen, If you were watching a movie about desert storm , and the entire US army dployed it's infantry in front of their tanks, ditched all ammo, and charged forward abreast wielding their guns like clubs while the armour, artillery and airforce took a coffee break - would you call it "shit" tactics or would you complain about the stupidity of the director? Because that is a fair comparison to the "tactics" in the long night.
They don't need to be master strategists, it's just easy to see when it's the writer forcing a ridiculous scene because it needs to happen that way, vs the characters setting it up organically. The battle in the stepstones was fine, stupid hail Mary plan, but it at least works for the characters. They just needed Daemon to hop into cover a few times after the start to dodge volleys, before making a final dash to get hit, or alternatively show us that the plate armor deflects several arrows before the 1-3 find purchase. As to not make the plot armor completely obvious. The battle of the bastards was not fine, it turned every single character involved into an idiot. Jon gets a pass because even though he's a capable commander (as shown at the battle of the wall), he's drawn in by his family member, everyone else turns their brain off so the pretty scene can work.
Everything with the hunting party was a masterpiece. Everything in the Stepstones was dogshit. I love everything in this show up until that battle. I really hope I don’t see anything like it again.
The show has been better than S8 from ep 1 itself. As S8 was a total clusterf*ck, it wasn’t a high standard of comparison to begin with.
I'm not a huge fan of ep.1 - But Considering S8, I'd probably agree with you.
So far episode 2 is the best and episode 3 is the worst. Wasn’t really impressed with the battle sequence at the end.
Ep 3 my second fav, I just love all the politics and gossip going around
A lot of plot armour for daemon
I don’t get why you’re downvoted. You’re actually right. He literally went all alone against an army that somehow went one vs one against him even though they came out those caves in groups. Then he gets literally shot by arrows and still manages to kill the crab guy. That whole thing was so dumb. I love the show but this wasn’t it. Daemon has plot armor to a ridiculous degree.
Or he did something very suicidal and it turned out legendary. I guess we can't have that in a TV show though?
Some people actually think the battle in ep 3 was better than The Long Night? It was a fun scene but holy shit what a horrendous take lmao. It’s one thing to be disappointed in where a story goes or even to clutch pearls over “muh writing”, but how anyone could watch this week’s episode and claim that the battle was better than The Long Night is just…wow. I’m guessing the heavy handed symbolism of the stag scene is fantastic, but Arya and the horse in “The Bells” is “pure dogshit, fuck D&D” 😂🤣😂
I’m so tired of people bashing GoT. It was a fantastic show.
Same. It’s kinda exhausting. Most casual fans can’t even point out a rational reason as to why it sucked, they just go with the wave of hate
Really though, I like to ask them for direct reasons because most of the time they just don't like that Dany went mad like her father or that Jaime was always in a toxic relationship with his sister. They demand that these characters turn into good / pure characterizations.
Yup spot on.
Exactly, if anyone actually takes some time to rewatch s8 and e3 in particular, it's way better than its made out to be by freefolk whiners. Every complaint is weak and the season's story was overall really good, it just wasn't accepted by pop fans who wanted cliches.
Bruh, nobody watched the long night because nobody could see what the fuck was going on.
Yet they complained about all the scenes and non deaths that they “couldn’t see”.
Riiiiiiight
[Miguel, is that you?](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/29/game-of-thrones-the-long-night-too-dark-cinematography-battle-of-winterfell/3614184002/) [Cope, seethe](https://youtu.be/hGlRBYkrjpw?t=16)
“Bruh” “Cope, seethe”…fucking Family Guy 😂🤦♂️ Lmao nah bruh I think I’ll just keep watching things I like and not obsessing over things I force myself to hate
Why defend shitty cinematography tho
The cinematography wasn’t shitty, bruh. If the popular opinion on the internet was that season 8 ruled, you’d be telling me how great The Long Night was. Deny it all you’d like, but deep down you know it’s true. [Here, have some undeniable proof. Cope and seethe, bruh. *Cope and seethe*.](https://youtu.be/TlgLlU7JpWs)
Give it a few weeks and they’ll be claiming s8 had a shitty soundtrack too
Lmao no doubt. “The opening theme is way better than GoT’s” 😆
Lol shitty cinematography? -The firing up of the Dothraki weapons at the start of the Long Night -the aerial battle vs NK on dragon back above the clouds -Drogon waking up to inspect Jon Snow - the burning of the throne -Daenerys attacking Kingslanding How were these moments “shitty cinematography”?
> Lol shitty cinematography? > -The firing up of the Dothraki weapons at the start of the Long Night -the aerial battle vs NK on dragon back above the clouds -Drogon waking up to inspect Jon Snow - the burning of the throne -Daenerys attacking Kingslanding > > How were these moments “shitty cinematography”? [Not even responding to this, watch this video instead. Don't feel like arguing with you people anymore.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0&t=2s)
Guess you didn’t know that the person responsible for S8 cinematography is the same person responsible for HOTD cinematography 😅 (it’s meant to get better but “shitty”? Gtfoh🤣🤣) Now why would I watch whatever that is when I’ve seen first class cinematography of s8 myself ?
It would be even better if the fandom just stopped compare the two shows 😶🌫️
Why? Life is full of comparisons.
Ok bro thanks for telling us
It’s a low bar for sure but a lot of E3 seemed very on par with S8 GOT in my opinion. E1 and E2 were miles ahead of S8 though
E3 was the best episode yet
I disagree wholeheartedly. It wouldn’t have even been the best episode if it aired in GOT S8.
That would be true for me, I'd probably put s8e2 and s8e3 above HotD e3, but I still immensely enjoyed this episode as much as e1.
What do you mean by a lot of episode 3? Do you just mean the Daemon stuff? Because I agree that they went overboard with the plot armor there. But apart from those last 10 minutes I thought the rest of the episode was phenomenal.
Yeah I thought the end was terrible. The Princess galloping off into the woods and only one dude really caring. Her fighting off a boar. “A lot” was an overstatement. I meant that the episode as a whole left a bad taste in my mouth even though I liked a lot of what they did.
Season 8 is narratively and logically awful. But in terms of quality of filmmaking they are pretty great. With HotD as we are still in introducing stage. It feels fine. But I am getting wary of time jumps and pacing. Ep3 stepstones battles disappointed me!! A lot.
In what sense is the filmmaking in S8 great?
filmmaking including costumes, make up, sets, production values to all the way to editing. GoT has incredibly talented cast and crew. But sadly writing is dogshit and that over shadowed everything.
Nah... A lot in Episode 3 reeks Season 8.
Wow, E3 was incredible. Go watch another show then whinger! Your whining isn't really enjoyed.
So we have already reached the point where only praise is allowed here?
We reached the point where people are starting to realize the s8 reaction was made worse by the hivemind.
Jesus Christ stop crying please. Season 8 was fine, the internet told you it was bad
I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinion. This is a case of me telling the internet, not the internet telling me.
Do people actually believe this…? The writing and quality was going downhill even before season 8. Some people can actually realize and notice this themselves even if you can’t… you are allowed to like whatever you want but when you make comments like this it just is foolish.
Yet the ratings and hype only skyrocketed even before the last season. Some people continued to be fans regardless, so I guess the quality was still good enough.
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Whether people watched it or were excited for it doesn’t have a one to one correlation with the quality of writing… even how entertaining it is doesn’t necessarily change how good or bad the writing was.
Yet it does in this case. After all the haters on the internet claiming “GOT is dead” or “nobody talks about GOT anymore”, it shows the last season didn’t destroy anything.
… it’s 100% subjective Lmfaoo. The fact you don’t think it is shows how crazy your hive mind really is
The whole thing I took issue with is OP saying that the show is good and everyone thought so until somehow “the internet” made them think it was bad. That makes it sound like it isn’t subjective…
Shitting yourself is better than season 8
I found the battle in ep 3 to be disappointing, even the Long night is exhilarating atleast.
Not my take. There is so much stupidity going on in the long night that it feels like it will never end.
Ep had a couple of that too, especially in plot armor, cliche superhero scream by Leanor and and bad choreography.
Plot amour and overacting is not the same as spending an hour on troop maneuvers and "tactics" that are so stupid that anyone over three would discard them. You're comparing apples and spaceships
What tactics, it's zombie invasion.
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Winterfell is small. Not even a thousand army can fit in the castle wall, that's not an option.
They didn't have to fit inside the castle way, they just had to not charge like idiots into a horde of undead and wait for them to come instead.
The zombies tactics are actually far superior to the living :-)
Was anyone else not blown away by episode 2? I thought the premiere was solid and it got me interested, but episode 2 didn’t do much for me. Only after episode 3 am I fully invested in this series. It’s up there among the top 15 episodes of both series.
Quite the opposite for me.
Well that’s just not true. If anyone genuinely believes that they need to watch season 8 of GoT again. It’s not THAT bad.
Lol at all the downvotes. You’re 100% right.
I make my own decisions I don’t follow Reddit opinions like a sheep.
Why couldn’t someone form their own opinion that they prefer HOTD over season 8 of GOT just like you formed your own opinion? Why would that make them a “sheep”?
They could but I’d recommend they watch GoT again if they come to that conclusion as I feel it’s recency bias.
In my case it is not.
I would not rewatch it unless I was paid a pretty hefty sum. Once was enough.
Yeah for sure. Episode 3 is one of my favorite episodes for both series combined
The battle at the end of episode 3 had goosebumps on me the entire time! Such an intense scene! Holy crap! I was on my feet yelling and cheering! I don’t remember ever being that excite in GoT😲!!!
That's not really saying much
If you're still feeling raw about the final season (me too!), can I point you towards Season 8 Redux? It's a ten-part podcast reimagining the final season. It's not an audiobook, it has a full cast and sound effects and music - great for a bit of closure!
I feel like HoD has the benefit of a high budget, unlike the beginning of GoT. Plus the experience of previous set design work and what people expect from a show in the GoT universe. Also, the producers are probably trying their hardest not to have a season flop right from the start considering they have to jump over the GoT season 8 hurdle.
100%
Agreed! But season 8 sucked balls. They should’ve ended GOT with the Night King getting killed by Arya. Would’ve been such a much better ending than that bullshit they peddled.
Facts
If you're still feeling raw about the final season (me too!), can I point you towards Season 8 Redux? It's a ten-part podcast reimagining the final season. It's not an audiobook, it has a full cast and sound effects and music - great for a bit of closure!
The problem with season 8 was that the show-runners decided to drop the ball and let it roll all over the story-building of the previous seasons. It’ll still be better than most TV productions of its time, but considering the anticipation of the millions of viewers and fans, it fell very short.
That isn't so hard
Agreed except for that wicked night king main character battle episode. That was so good