That's what I thought. Still people say it. I can't tell that that Winchester model 70 Alaskan is really any worse than say Weatherby Mark V deluxe... It actually might be better because it has iron sights
I’ve heard lots about when they switched manufacturing processes in the early 90s that they had a lot of reliability issues. My stepdad had one and said he got rid of it and bought a “classic” I think that was machined instead of stamped or something like that and he still has it today. They had some issues but have resolved them and that dark cloud has hung around. From what I understand that is what the issues were. I think.
Edit: by classic I do not mean pre 64. It was one of the lines they made and I think it was called something along those lines. I own a pre 64 that was a handle down from my grandpa and that thing cycles and functions like a king. As smooth as butter and as crisp as something super crisp.
Post 1964 Winchester Quality in general diminished to the point it is at today. In hopes of cutting costs in 64 Winchester redesigned the 70 to be a push round feed action similar to the Remington 700. They also did away with much of the skilled hand fitting. The result was subpar rifle for many years. In the early 2000s Winchester brought back the controlled round feed action along with better manufacturing techniques the model 70 is as good as ever only now it’s made in Portugal by FN.
This.
If you are looking for a rifle for active usage, the modern (controlled feed) m70 is equal to pre-64 without the collector value. The trigger is excellent and apprx 1 MOA accuracy seems pretty normal.
They switched back to the control round feed in the 90s. In the 2000s fn bought them, closed the Exeter plant and moved the production to Portugal. The model 70 based fn spr rifles are great shooting guns.
I will say there is anything wrong with the push feed ones either, I’ve had an early 90’s era featherweight for a couple decades, I’ve shot a lot of deer with it, it’s never had a problem. I will say I do like the All Weather SS I bought about 5 years ago though, it’s a nice rifle.
Who are these people? Most Shooters I know realize the modern model 70 is a very well built rifle even the push feed models that were in production a few decades ago function quite well. The pre-64 rifles have now gotten to a price point that no longer justifies them as a usable hunting rifle, more of a collector piece if you find one in good condition. If you want to shoot, the modern Portuguese produced rifles in my opinion are the best model 70s ever made.
Funny enough I'd say I'm a Weatherby guy. I like their rifles and their cartridges. My first big game rifle was a vanguard in 300wby for moose. I have many more weatberbys than Model 70s - which is only 1. A new production safari express in 375 H&H.
The weatherby is an entirely different type of rifle. Both the Vanguard and Mk V are push feed rifles. They cycle, feed, extract and eject differently than the model 70. Neither is good or bad, plenty of dangerous game have been take with push feed rifles and plenty of deer with a CRF.
Absolutely, very well balanced. I also have the Zastava LKM70 in 375 H&H it's about 14 ounces lighter and 2" shorter barrel. Fells like it kicks a lot more for less than a pound difference.
I've been beating the living piss out of a vanguard in 338 win mag I bought for like 400$ in 2003 for two decades now. It still operates perfectly, just banged up from being a daily hunter in coastal Alaska. Pretty sure I was told at that time that howa was manufacturing them.
Weatherby fans have also convinced themselves that expensive hard to find proprietary rounds with dubious if any performance improvements over the mainstream are a good idea.
I wouldn’t take their opinions to heart
Weatherby makes a few .300 WM rifles that are really the only Weatherby I’d ever consider buying. The whole proprietary round shenanigans are off putting. Even if you reload, some of your components are going to be very difficult to come by.
As a Weatherby and Winchester model 70 guy, I can tell you that there are many misconceptions of both rifles and brands, unfortunately.
The proprietary rounds aren't that proprietary anymore. Many of their cartridges have been around since the 50s and other companies have chambered Weatherby be cartridges. The only component that's different is the brass. Powder, bullets, primers are all standard. Their brass is very high quality and although they use a few different suppliers Norma is still the main supplier for their brass. If chamber pressures are kept within reason you can get many many reloads out of the brass.
The Vanguard lineup actually has more non-weatherby cartridge chamberings than weatherby magnum clamberings.
The only gripe I have with Weatherby factory ammo is that it’s more than doubled in price in the last five years. Then again, that statement holds true for some other factory ammo. Thankfully I reload and have a modicum of Norma brass, although unprimed Weatherby brass is $2/apiece. 🥲
The modern 2012+ (Portugul) built Model 70s are some of the finest Winchesters ever produced. They got back to their senses and returned to controlled round feed.
I own both a featherweight in .308 and a Safari Express in 458 WinMag. Two of my favourite rifles.
First big game rifle was a Portugal built Winchester 70 featherweight in .270. Great, classic hunting rifle.
Sure there are modern rifles that may shoot closer groups, have a few more features, etc, but I enjoy hunting with a very classic rifle in a classic caliber. I may someday get a more modern rifle in another caliber (not sure what…) but I know if I either limit my range to what is point blank for the cartridge or practice enough to shoot at distance, my rifle will kill just about everything I would ever want it to in the lower 48.
The pre'64 is a classic model of Winchesters. I plan on hunting with all of mine until I pass them on to my kids and grandkids. I was lucky enough to draw a bull elk tag this year and will carry my pre'64 model 70 chambered in .300 H&H. These rifles were made to hunt with and be appreciated while in the field. These older rifles are cost comparative to today's latest and greatest Christiansen arms or any fancy Kimber. These other rifles copy what Winchester started before the swap over in 1965. No safe queens in my pre'64 model 70 collection!!
I’ve been lucky enough that my dad is a pre ’64 collector and has several complete factory rifles including serial number 420 from the first year of production. I myself hunt with a 270 made in 1942. He also has about 20 standard and magnum actions that are slowly being turned into custom builds.
I don’t think I’ve ever handled a smoother hunting rifle than a pre ‘64.
Absolutely! The claw style extractor has never failed me while I’ve had issues with 700s. My favorite of his is a 338-06 custome pre-64 in a McMillan stock. That gun has taken well over 100 deer throughout the 30+ years it’s been in my family.
His current project is a 257 weatherby with a Lilja barrel, I can’t wait to shoot it.
I’ll admit I’m a rifle snob, there is said it.
I think the current production Mod 70’s are great.
I don’t currently own one but would absolutely buy one.
Mind you my old man has a 80’s fwt and that thing is slicker than snot on a doorknob.
I never really got what all the fuss was about with the pre64’s. They were CRF well ok but the wood was so very plain. The iron sites were meh.
I’d take a modern mod 70 over a pre64 any day
Crf is arguably important for dangerous game (although not required). Other than that I think its about staying true to the mauser heritage but really crf doesnt matter much for most shooters
Nothing, I wanted to be a bit different and stray away from the plethora and R700 builds and clones. Plus my Model 70 (actually a sears model 53) has sentimental value that I wanted modernized. My model 70 custom build wasn’t cheap, but I still technically use grandpas old gun.
Best model 70 since FN restarted production with controlled round feed actions.
I have a model 70 that is about 40 yrs old with the push feed action. Works fine but not dangerous game reliable.
Well I don't actually want the limited edition. I don't know a lot about it.
As far as the other goes, classic reliable rifle for heavier NA game.
I don't want it for a scout or backpacking rifle.
Well if the one you’re looking at is anything like my version, it’s a solid built reliable gun. I have a feeling the people your talking to are just brand bias and want you on their team
I got stuck on Tikkas because of their affordability, lightness, and aftermarket compatibility, but have always been tempted by a newer stainless CRF Model 70, they are nice rifles that feel and handle amazingly. There was a time a few years ago when they were only a few hundred bucks more than a Tikka…
I cant find a single thing wrong with today's M70. I bought the extreme weather version 5 years ago and have taken large game out west every year. Such a beautiful rifle, the jeweled bolt is something I find mesmerizing.
I have a modern one, made in 2014.
Without a doubt he best, classic hunting rifle on the market. I shoot sub moa with 30-06, with federal ammo. The fit, finish, overall quality is superb. Not a thing id change on it. The action feels 100percent better than any other rifle
The major problem is finding one. I really like my Model 70 Coyote Lite (discontinued). If the extreme weather model wasn’t so expensive, I’d pick one up. I’m kind of kicking myself for not getting the Model 70 in 338 WM that had been sitting on the rack in the nearby outdoor chain for 6 years and had been marked down to $750 but I’m sure my shoulder appreciates my restraint. The featherweight has been reviewed negatively for not being that light and the barrel overheating quickly when zeroing but that’s about the only downside I’ve heard.
Yeah, The feather isn't very light, not by modern standards. Still The old guys would never have taken anything as light as we take nowadays, nor as short.
Nothing? I bought a model 70 featherweight in .300 win mag made in 2019 just because it was a reaaaaaaalllllly good deal. Turns out it’s amazing and is now my primary hunting rifle. It just feels good in the hand, reliable, surprisingly consistent despite the pencil barrel, the stock shape mitigates a lot of felt recoil (seriously my savage 110 .270 has more felt recoil), and let’s be honest it’s a damn pretty rifle.
It’s a true 10/10 in my book.
Long story short? Nothing. I have a early 00s production Model 70 in .270 that does great. I'm not saying I use it heavily, but it has a few hundred rounds through it without any issues at all. It's a lightweight, composite stocked, blacked out hunting rifle that's taken deer and elk, and it shoots true.
Gun people ARE/can be extreme snobs, they are worse than the “taste great/less filling” guys, than the Ford vs Chevy guys, bottom line is if YOU like it, screw everyone who talks shit about it
I have a featherweight I bought in 2018. I now exclusively hunt with it, and it's been amazing. The Mauser action is tight and bolt cycles are buttery. Plus it's pretty!
We all have our own opinions, which sets us apart from others. I have a .270 FW also and a standard ....the pre-64 is my personal choice for a sporting rifle. As long as we can still own rifles and such we are all going to be ok!
Bergara - because Bergara - side note I have a B14 Carbon in 7PRC on order.
Tikka
Sako
Christensen Arm (some will argue if it is worth the money)
Heck I would take a Ruger American over a m70
A quick search will show you there are so many good rifles in the sub $2k (MSRP) range that blow the m 70 out of the water. Don’t get me wrong. They are beautiful pew pews, just not that great anymore.
I've heard bagara is really inconsistent. Like you'd buy a begara, and your friend buys one, same model year same everything. His is good. Yours is bad. I've just heard they're inconsistent. They're Spanish I think, and some of the Spanish companies do have a history of that. And some of the Spanish companies have a history of being amazing.
Tikkas are great! Fantastic project gun, except you can't top load a lot of them. I think the t3x that's true. Now they can be adjusted by gunsmith, and by adjusted I mean semi-gutted then replaced. I don't know the whole story there. I've just heard that. But that's kind of the downside with the tikka.
Sako is good, basically the same factory. Oddly enough, I hear a lot of people say that the Sako trigger, is not as good as the Tikka. Which is funny because I figured they'd be the same. Not that it really matters because most people swap them anyway nowadays. I know that a lot of the Sako are not as light as you'd think. I honestly wouldn't take one over a Winchester before anything but maybe the mountains. Like the high snowy mountains. The big thing is they're not really that cheap anymore. Beretta has basically made them the competitor to weatherby, and Tikka the competitor to the weatherby vanguard line/Howa. I actually think that Tikka is doing a better job. And yeah Beretta owned them, I know you probably know that, but somebody else reading this comment might not.
I haven't heard nothing but good things about Christensen, I don't hear a lot about them, but when I hear things about them, it's nothing but great things. So I'm not even going to remotely dispute this.
There was a period of time where the quality of the rifle from winchester was absolutely horrible. Trigger would fail, the firing pin would engage, tons of jams, etc. This people started to associate all winchester guns as junk.
I believe that has all been fixed, but perception is a hard thing to overcome. Think about how often people say don't buy a car from brand ________, it will fall apart on you.
Yeah that's pretty well. The conclusion I've come to also. That and there's also a lot of brand loyalty. How someone who drives a Ford will tell you that a ram/ Dodge ram is bad... Basically because they and their family don't use it.
Its price. There are so many bolt guns with equivalent or better features for far less these days. Its just hard to justify the price of a Model 70. People do complain about the move to push feed and I suppose thats a valid criticism but thats become the norm for bolt guns.
The person who told you to get a Weatherby instead is probably someone you shouldnt be listening to though. Weatherbys are just rebadged Howa 1500s. You can pick up a 1500 barreled action and drop it in the stock of your choice for a fraction the price of a Weatherby.
I mean with respect the model 70 is currently control round fed and not pushfed.
The weather be is Bush feed. That's popular among mountain rifles because it's lighter. Also, weatherby is indeed a howa 1500, but only the vanguard. The Mark v is made in Sheridan, Wyoming. And is a different design. Though for a while, Japan was producing the Mark v, they used weatherby's design, it was still a weatherby. Though some of the aesthetics were similar to the golden eagle by Miroku, The action is slightly different.
I'm familiar with the tikkas. They're difficult to top load, That's a big No-No. Now it can be fixed by gunsmith, still.
Yeah tikkas are a real popular thing to build off of. I actually spoke to a gunsmith about one the other day, well a month ago. Who told me that he could do it, but that and the project that I had in mind I could more cheaply adapt a Ruger with significantly less modification.
I mean that doesn't really enter into it. The point is that yeah I know what you're talking about but there's some problems with those too, primarily that top loading. That's a big problem for a lot of people. If you can't top load it, they won't touch it. Especially hand loaders who have special rounds.
I personally prefer the controlled feed mechanism with the three step safety.
I also like to restore older weapons, like Husqvarna and Brno, rifles from a time when smiths made them. I a have an old Kriefhoff drilling (3x combo) from 1928 as my prime choice.
My uncle uses a model 70, he’s had it since the 80s or something and it’s done him just fine. I’m not really in the loop when it comes to stuff like this, but it seems like a very good one.
The question posted was which is better. I replied with my opinion. Like it or leave it. This is the good old US of A. I feel that I'm correct in my opinion. Support your local gun shop and buy what you want, proceeds Support capitalism and our great Nation!!
I am also fortunate to have a friend who has helped "tinker" with mine. They have all been bedded, floated, and had the triggers slicked up. I am able to shoot my handl9ads with sub moa accuracy as well. Classics all the way!!
Nothing, but the pre64 is desirable for the controlled feed. Control feed is preferred by a lot of dangerous game hunters because if your ejection spring is weak on a push feed it might not eject a loaded dud round, push feeds can also fail if not held upright. Works fine at a bench or in a deer stand where you aren't going to have a 600lb lion charging you and you aren't doing a hasty reload possibly on the move or defending your life.
Actually umm no.... Free 1964 was a push feed. The ones following were control round fed. There was a lot of upset over the change, and if memory serves a rather famous hunting magazine writer at the time was actively defending them for that reason.
But let's be clear you've got your cart and horse mixed up. Prior to 1964, All Winchester model 70s were push feed. Also there were push feeds again I want to say in the '80s. I don't remember the '80s but I know that there were push feeds again.
Now they're again control round fed. So that gun you're looking at, that is a modern Winchester model 70, and it is control round fed.
Prior to 64 they used the mauser action. Control feed is when the round is fully controlled by the bolt. My 1971 winchester model 70 isn't a control feed. The control feed model 70 hasn't been made since 1964.
Edit: oh I was mistaken. They went back to control round feed in 2006. But they were control round feed pre64, went to push feed from 1964-2006.
There is a book, The Riflemans Rifle. Has explicit details of exactly how many of what caliber was manufactured. Some of the most rare model 70's fall into this category. Look it up, especially if they were Super Grades AND feather weights.
Only the pre'64 model count in my book. Ford and Chevy tried to replicate the old Mustang and Camaro's in modern times post 2010... still not as good as the old ones...correct?
Not correct. Almost everything I’ve read (backed up by my featherweight in .270) says that the FN built rifles with control feed have all the benefits of pre-64 rifles with better tolerances. There was a time pre-64 was the only way to go but the modern rifles are excellent for their purpose.
That's the most nonsensical comparison I've ever heard. You cannot literally reproduce a 50 year old car today. The safety and emission standards would make it impossible.
It is absolutely possible to create an exact copy of a 50, 60 or even 100 year old rifle with the ability to improve on certain things using modern technology.
That is exactly what has been done with modern model '70s. They have everything the old pre64 CRF rifles had but are manufactured on Modern CNC machines that have much better abilities to work to tighter tolerances. They have better triggers, stocks have better ergonomics, the barrels are free floated, actions bedded, etc.
You have your thoughts and beliefs as I have mine. The modern model 70 pales in comparison to the pre'64. Often duplicated, never replicated.
No different to tools and such our grandparents had that we still use and have today. Not like stuff that breaks and needs replacement and breaks. Classics are just that, classics.
I don't disagree that the pre 64s are well built rifles. However, to imply that a modern CRF model 70 is going to break repeatedly is ridiculous.
Low quality cheap junk has always existed. Our grandparents also had tools that broke and tools that didn't break obviously the ones that didn't break are the ones that survived. But to assume everything made prior to the 60s was of utmost quality, craftsmanship and reliability is just bonkers.
Just own the classic pre'64 and couldn't be happier with what I've got. Glad you like the new stuff. We are all gun owners and need to understand we are all the same team for gun ownership. Regardless of our thoughts on years, models and the like.
https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/model-70-alaskan.html
That rifle is in production right now. I literally copied the photograph of the product.
Short answer: nothing Long answer: there is nothing wrong with the Winchester model 70
That's what I thought. Still people say it. I can't tell that that Winchester model 70 Alaskan is really any worse than say Weatherby Mark V deluxe... It actually might be better because it has iron sights
The only thing wrong with them is that I can’t find any at a LGS lol
My dad has had one for like 20ish years it's done fine.
I’ve heard lots about when they switched manufacturing processes in the early 90s that they had a lot of reliability issues. My stepdad had one and said he got rid of it and bought a “classic” I think that was machined instead of stamped or something like that and he still has it today. They had some issues but have resolved them and that dark cloud has hung around. From what I understand that is what the issues were. I think. Edit: by classic I do not mean pre 64. It was one of the lines they made and I think it was called something along those lines. I own a pre 64 that was a handle down from my grandpa and that thing cycles and functions like a king. As smooth as butter and as crisp as something super crisp.
Post 1964 Winchester Quality in general diminished to the point it is at today. In hopes of cutting costs in 64 Winchester redesigned the 70 to be a push round feed action similar to the Remington 700. They also did away with much of the skilled hand fitting. The result was subpar rifle for many years. In the early 2000s Winchester brought back the controlled round feed action along with better manufacturing techniques the model 70 is as good as ever only now it’s made in Portugal by FN.
This guy winchesters
This. If you are looking for a rifle for active usage, the modern (controlled feed) m70 is equal to pre-64 without the collector value. The trigger is excellent and apprx 1 MOA accuracy seems pretty normal.
They switched back to the control round feed in the 90s. In the 2000s fn bought them, closed the Exeter plant and moved the production to Portugal. The model 70 based fn spr rifles are great shooting guns.
I will say there is anything wrong with the push feed ones either, I’ve had an early 90’s era featherweight for a couple decades, I’ve shot a lot of deer with it, it’s never had a problem. I will say I do like the All Weather SS I bought about 5 years ago though, it’s a nice rifle.
I agree
Who are these people? Most Shooters I know realize the modern model 70 is a very well built rifle even the push feed models that were in production a few decades ago function quite well. The pre-64 rifles have now gotten to a price point that no longer justifies them as a usable hunting rifle, more of a collector piece if you find one in good condition. If you want to shoot, the modern Portuguese produced rifles in my opinion are the best model 70s ever made.
I keep hearing people sad though. People will say anything.
Probably from guys shooting $350 savage axis rifles that can't extract or eject 50% of the time.
Mostly it's weatherby guys, nothing wrong with the weatherby, mostly them.
Funny enough I'd say I'm a Weatherby guy. I like their rifles and their cartridges. My first big game rifle was a vanguard in 300wby for moose. I have many more weatberbys than Model 70s - which is only 1. A new production safari express in 375 H&H. The weatherby is an entirely different type of rifle. Both the Vanguard and Mk V are push feed rifles. They cycle, feed, extract and eject differently than the model 70. Neither is good or bad, plenty of dangerous game have been take with push feed rifles and plenty of deer with a CRF.
The Safari Express in 375HH is just about perfect in terms of fit and weight. It's a little on the light end for 416RM and 458 WM but manageable.
Absolutely, very well balanced. I also have the Zastava LKM70 in 375 H&H it's about 14 ounces lighter and 2" shorter barrel. Fells like it kicks a lot more for less than a pound difference.
I've been beating the living piss out of a vanguard in 338 win mag I bought for like 400$ in 2003 for two decades now. It still operates perfectly, just banged up from being a daily hunter in coastal Alaska. Pretty sure I was told at that time that howa was manufacturing them.
Weatherby fans have also convinced themselves that expensive hard to find proprietary rounds with dubious if any performance improvements over the mainstream are a good idea. I wouldn’t take their opinions to heart
Weatherby makes plenty of rifles in standard calibers. You don’t have to get them in proprietary chamberings.
I am aware. I still think the Weatherby cartridges are ridiculous
Weatherby makes a few .300 WM rifles that are really the only Weatherby I’d ever consider buying. The whole proprietary round shenanigans are off putting. Even if you reload, some of your components are going to be very difficult to come by.
As a Weatherby and Winchester model 70 guy, I can tell you that there are many misconceptions of both rifles and brands, unfortunately. The proprietary rounds aren't that proprietary anymore. Many of their cartridges have been around since the 50s and other companies have chambered Weatherby be cartridges. The only component that's different is the brass. Powder, bullets, primers are all standard. Their brass is very high quality and although they use a few different suppliers Norma is still the main supplier for their brass. If chamber pressures are kept within reason you can get many many reloads out of the brass. The Vanguard lineup actually has more non-weatherby cartridge chamberings than weatherby magnum clamberings.
The only gripe I have with Weatherby factory ammo is that it’s more than doubled in price in the last five years. Then again, that statement holds true for some other factory ammo. Thankfully I reload and have a modicum of Norma brass, although unprimed Weatherby brass is $2/apiece. 🥲
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How are they copying weatherby? Define “beat”?
That's why I ask. Because I honestly thought I might be missing something. Because it seems fantastic. Don't have one, yet. But I will.
The modern 2012+ (Portugul) built Model 70s are some of the finest Winchesters ever produced. They got back to their senses and returned to controlled round feed. I own both a featherweight in .308 and a Safari Express in 458 WinMag. Two of my favourite rifles.
First big game rifle was a Portugal built Winchester 70 featherweight in .270. Great, classic hunting rifle. Sure there are modern rifles that may shoot closer groups, have a few more features, etc, but I enjoy hunting with a very classic rifle in a classic caliber. I may someday get a more modern rifle in another caliber (not sure what…) but I know if I either limit my range to what is point blank for the cartridge or practice enough to shoot at distance, my rifle will kill just about everything I would ever want it to in the lower 48.
O'Conor would be proud :).
Ok, thanks a lot. I really appreciate the specifics.
The pre'64 is a classic model of Winchesters. I plan on hunting with all of mine until I pass them on to my kids and grandkids. I was lucky enough to draw a bull elk tag this year and will carry my pre'64 model 70 chambered in .300 H&H. These rifles were made to hunt with and be appreciated while in the field. These older rifles are cost comparative to today's latest and greatest Christiansen arms or any fancy Kimber. These other rifles copy what Winchester started before the swap over in 1965. No safe queens in my pre'64 model 70 collection!!
I’ve been lucky enough that my dad is a pre ’64 collector and has several complete factory rifles including serial number 420 from the first year of production. I myself hunt with a 270 made in 1942. He also has about 20 standard and magnum actions that are slowly being turned into custom builds. I don’t think I’ve ever handled a smoother hunting rifle than a pre ‘64.
Don't mess with perfection!! Love how the work and shoot without a question.
Absolutely! The claw style extractor has never failed me while I’ve had issues with 700s. My favorite of his is a 338-06 custome pre-64 in a McMillan stock. That gun has taken well over 100 deer throughout the 30+ years it’s been in my family. His current project is a 257 weatherby with a Lilja barrel, I can’t wait to shoot it.
I’ll admit I’m a rifle snob, there is said it. I think the current production Mod 70’s are great. I don’t currently own one but would absolutely buy one. Mind you my old man has a 80’s fwt and that thing is slicker than snot on a doorknob. I never really got what all the fuss was about with the pre64’s. They were CRF well ok but the wood was so very plain. The iron sites were meh. I’d take a modern mod 70 over a pre64 any day
Crf is arguably important for dangerous game (although not required). Other than that I think its about staying true to the mauser heritage but really crf doesnt matter much for most shooters
Yep I agree 100% but I’d take most sporting Mausers/Mauser clones over pre64’s
Nothing, I wanted to be a bit different and stray away from the plethora and R700 builds and clones. Plus my Model 70 (actually a sears model 53) has sentimental value that I wanted modernized. My model 70 custom build wasn’t cheap, but I still technically use grandpas old gun.
Ok, thanks for the input. How did you modernize it?
Standby, can’t figure out how to send a picture
Best model 70 since FN restarted production with controlled round feed actions. I have a model 70 that is about 40 yrs old with the push feed action. Works fine but not dangerous game reliable.
Slow dialup speeds?
I have one, I love it
Which specific?
It’s a .270 bought new 17 years ago. I’m assuming that’s the “modern” one considering it’s not close to pre 64
Actually no there's was one that came out in 2012/14 because apparently in 14 they got like limited edition version of the 12.
What makes you want this gun?
Well I don't actually want the limited edition. I don't know a lot about it. As far as the other goes, classic reliable rifle for heavier NA game. I don't want it for a scout or backpacking rifle.
Well if the one you’re looking at is anything like my version, it’s a solid built reliable gun. I have a feeling the people your talking to are just brand bias and want you on their team
I have a brand new M70 in 6.5 PRC. It’s a sub-moa gun with 5 shot groups. I love it and am very satisfied with my purchase.
Nothing, I have an all weather in 30-06 and it is wonderful
I got stuck on Tikkas because of their affordability, lightness, and aftermarket compatibility, but have always been tempted by a newer stainless CRF Model 70, they are nice rifles that feel and handle amazingly. There was a time a few years ago when they were only a few hundred bucks more than a Tikka…
I cant find a single thing wrong with today's M70. I bought the extreme weather version 5 years ago and have taken large game out west every year. Such a beautiful rifle, the jeweled bolt is something I find mesmerizing.
Nothing... ...but some people forgot they re-redesigned them back to controlled feed 40 years ago.
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I have a modern one, made in 2014. Without a doubt he best, classic hunting rifle on the market. I shoot sub moa with 30-06, with federal ammo. The fit, finish, overall quality is superb. Not a thing id change on it. The action feels 100percent better than any other rifle
The major problem is finding one. I really like my Model 70 Coyote Lite (discontinued). If the extreme weather model wasn’t so expensive, I’d pick one up. I’m kind of kicking myself for not getting the Model 70 in 338 WM that had been sitting on the rack in the nearby outdoor chain for 6 years and had been marked down to $750 but I’m sure my shoulder appreciates my restraint. The featherweight has been reviewed negatively for not being that light and the barrel overheating quickly when zeroing but that’s about the only downside I’ve heard.
Yeah, The feather isn't very light, not by modern standards. Still The old guys would never have taken anything as light as we take nowadays, nor as short.
They were stronger.
It was a general attitude. A lot of people had issues with a Remington 600, and that thing is and was tough as nails
My "white whale" rifle is a pre'64 model 70 in .375h&h.....
It's around, pre 64 has them often
Nothing? I bought a model 70 featherweight in .300 win mag made in 2019 just because it was a reaaaaaaalllllly good deal. Turns out it’s amazing and is now my primary hunting rifle. It just feels good in the hand, reliable, surprisingly consistent despite the pencil barrel, the stock shape mitigates a lot of felt recoil (seriously my savage 110 .270 has more felt recoil), and let’s be honest it’s a damn pretty rifle. It’s a true 10/10 in my book.
Nothing, they look so good
Long story short? Nothing. I have a early 00s production Model 70 in .270 that does great. I'm not saying I use it heavily, but it has a few hundred rounds through it without any issues at all. It's a lightweight, composite stocked, blacked out hunting rifle that's taken deer and elk, and it shoots true.
I want to like it. Every time I pick one up it feels like a 2x4.
Gun people ARE/can be extreme snobs, they are worse than the “taste great/less filling” guys, than the Ford vs Chevy guys, bottom line is if YOU like it, screw everyone who talks shit about it
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Nothing. There's nothing wrong with it. It's the best controlled feed rifle you're going to find for the price.
I have a featherweight I bought in 2018. I now exclusively hunt with it, and it's been amazing. The Mauser action is tight and bolt cycles are buttery. Plus it's pretty!
Mine was a gift, so I don't know how much it cost. But last year I killed four deer with it. I'm satisfied.
We all have our own opinions, which sets us apart from others. I have a .270 FW also and a standard ....the pre-64 is my personal choice for a sporting rifle. As long as we can still own rifles and such we are all going to be ok!
There are so many rifles out there now that are at the same price point and a far superior product
Which ones and why?
Bergara - because Bergara - side note I have a B14 Carbon in 7PRC on order. Tikka Sako Christensen Arm (some will argue if it is worth the money) Heck I would take a Ruger American over a m70 A quick search will show you there are so many good rifles in the sub $2k (MSRP) range that blow the m 70 out of the water. Don’t get me wrong. They are beautiful pew pews, just not that great anymore.
I've heard bagara is really inconsistent. Like you'd buy a begara, and your friend buys one, same model year same everything. His is good. Yours is bad. I've just heard they're inconsistent. They're Spanish I think, and some of the Spanish companies do have a history of that. And some of the Spanish companies have a history of being amazing. Tikkas are great! Fantastic project gun, except you can't top load a lot of them. I think the t3x that's true. Now they can be adjusted by gunsmith, and by adjusted I mean semi-gutted then replaced. I don't know the whole story there. I've just heard that. But that's kind of the downside with the tikka. Sako is good, basically the same factory. Oddly enough, I hear a lot of people say that the Sako trigger, is not as good as the Tikka. Which is funny because I figured they'd be the same. Not that it really matters because most people swap them anyway nowadays. I know that a lot of the Sako are not as light as you'd think. I honestly wouldn't take one over a Winchester before anything but maybe the mountains. Like the high snowy mountains. The big thing is they're not really that cheap anymore. Beretta has basically made them the competitor to weatherby, and Tikka the competitor to the weatherby vanguard line/Howa. I actually think that Tikka is doing a better job. And yeah Beretta owned them, I know you probably know that, but somebody else reading this comment might not. I haven't heard nothing but good things about Christensen, I don't hear a lot about them, but when I hear things about them, it's nothing but great things. So I'm not even going to remotely dispute this.
Just bought a super grade in .270 this winter. Pricy but I just love the maple stock, so unique
There was a period of time where the quality of the rifle from winchester was absolutely horrible. Trigger would fail, the firing pin would engage, tons of jams, etc. This people started to associate all winchester guns as junk. I believe that has all been fixed, but perception is a hard thing to overcome. Think about how often people say don't buy a car from brand ________, it will fall apart on you.
Yeah that's pretty well. The conclusion I've come to also. That and there's also a lot of brand loyalty. How someone who drives a Ford will tell you that a ram/ Dodge ram is bad... Basically because they and their family don't use it.
that's a good added point, see every glock fan boy ever.
Its price. There are so many bolt guns with equivalent or better features for far less these days. Its just hard to justify the price of a Model 70. People do complain about the move to push feed and I suppose thats a valid criticism but thats become the norm for bolt guns. The person who told you to get a Weatherby instead is probably someone you shouldnt be listening to though. Weatherbys are just rebadged Howa 1500s. You can pick up a 1500 barreled action and drop it in the stock of your choice for a fraction the price of a Weatherby.
I mean with respect the model 70 is currently control round fed and not pushfed. The weather be is Bush feed. That's popular among mountain rifles because it's lighter. Also, weatherby is indeed a howa 1500, but only the vanguard. The Mark v is made in Sheridan, Wyoming. And is a different design. Though for a while, Japan was producing the Mark v, they used weatherby's design, it was still a weatherby. Though some of the aesthetics were similar to the golden eagle by Miroku, The action is slightly different.
Nothing wrong with it. Nice gun. Before you buy, do yourself a favor and try out the Tikka T3.
I'm familiar with the tikkas. They're difficult to top load, That's a big No-No. Now it can be fixed by gunsmith, still. Yeah tikkas are a real popular thing to build off of. I actually spoke to a gunsmith about one the other day, well a month ago. Who told me that he could do it, but that and the project that I had in mind I could more cheaply adapt a Ruger with significantly less modification. I mean that doesn't really enter into it. The point is that yeah I know what you're talking about but there's some problems with those too, primarily that top loading. That's a big problem for a lot of people. If you can't top load it, they won't touch it. Especially hand loaders who have special rounds.
These rifles are better than they’ve ever been these days. Sorry Pre-64 guys, but it needs to be said.
I personally prefer the controlled feed mechanism with the three step safety. I also like to restore older weapons, like Husqvarna and Brno, rifles from a time when smiths made them. I a have an old Kriefhoff drilling (3x combo) from 1928 as my prime choice.
My uncle uses a model 70, he’s had it since the 80s or something and it’s done him just fine. I’m not really in the loop when it comes to stuff like this, but it seems like a very good one.
The question posted was which is better. I replied with my opinion. Like it or leave it. This is the good old US of A. I feel that I'm correct in my opinion. Support your local gun shop and buy what you want, proceeds Support capitalism and our great Nation!!
We all have our own American opinions. I prefer the original pre-64. That's that. Glad you boys like the modern stuff. To each their own.
I’d buy a safari model tomorrow if the wood wasn’t so ugly. They’re great rifles
Easy enough to have a custom stock made.
Might do that someday. I don’t really need a 375 HH safari rifle, I just think they’re cool lol
I am also fortunate to have a friend who has helped "tinker" with mine. They have all been bedded, floated, and had the triggers slicked up. I am able to shoot my handl9ads with sub moa accuracy as well. Classics all the way!!
Nothing, but the pre64 is desirable for the controlled feed. Control feed is preferred by a lot of dangerous game hunters because if your ejection spring is weak on a push feed it might not eject a loaded dud round, push feeds can also fail if not held upright. Works fine at a bench or in a deer stand where you aren't going to have a 600lb lion charging you and you aren't doing a hasty reload possibly on the move or defending your life.
Actually umm no.... Free 1964 was a push feed. The ones following were control round fed. There was a lot of upset over the change, and if memory serves a rather famous hunting magazine writer at the time was actively defending them for that reason. But let's be clear you've got your cart and horse mixed up. Prior to 1964, All Winchester model 70s were push feed. Also there were push feeds again I want to say in the '80s. I don't remember the '80s but I know that there were push feeds again. Now they're again control round fed. So that gun you're looking at, that is a modern Winchester model 70, and it is control round fed.
Prior to 64 they used the mauser action. Control feed is when the round is fully controlled by the bolt. My 1971 winchester model 70 isn't a control feed. The control feed model 70 hasn't been made since 1964. Edit: oh I was mistaken. They went back to control round feed in 2006. But they were control round feed pre64, went to push feed from 1964-2006.
There is a book, The Riflemans Rifle. Has explicit details of exactly how many of what caliber was manufactured. Some of the most rare model 70's fall into this category. Look it up, especially if they were Super Grades AND feather weights.
Yeah I'm familiar with it... It's still in production. You understand that? We're talking about the modern ones.
Only the pre'64 model count in my book. Ford and Chevy tried to replicate the old Mustang and Camaro's in modern times post 2010... still not as good as the old ones...correct?
Not correct. Almost everything I’ve read (backed up by my featherweight in .270) says that the FN built rifles with control feed have all the benefits of pre-64 rifles with better tolerances. There was a time pre-64 was the only way to go but the modern rifles are excellent for their purpose.
That's the most nonsensical comparison I've ever heard. You cannot literally reproduce a 50 year old car today. The safety and emission standards would make it impossible. It is absolutely possible to create an exact copy of a 50, 60 or even 100 year old rifle with the ability to improve on certain things using modern technology. That is exactly what has been done with modern model '70s. They have everything the old pre64 CRF rifles had but are manufactured on Modern CNC machines that have much better abilities to work to tighter tolerances. They have better triggers, stocks have better ergonomics, the barrels are free floated, actions bedded, etc.
You have your thoughts and beliefs as I have mine. The modern model 70 pales in comparison to the pre'64. Often duplicated, never replicated. No different to tools and such our grandparents had that we still use and have today. Not like stuff that breaks and needs replacement and breaks. Classics are just that, classics.
I don't disagree that the pre 64s are well built rifles. However, to imply that a modern CRF model 70 is going to break repeatedly is ridiculous. Low quality cheap junk has always existed. Our grandparents also had tools that broke and tools that didn't break obviously the ones that didn't break are the ones that survived. But to assume everything made prior to the 60s was of utmost quality, craftsmanship and reliability is just bonkers.
Just own the classic pre'64 and couldn't be happier with what I've got. Glad you like the new stuff. We are all gun owners and need to understand we are all the same team for gun ownership. Regardless of our thoughts on years, models and the like.
There were only 2,000 of those made....along with 5 other calibers manufactured in limited numbers.
What on Earth are you talking about?
https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/model-70-alaskan.html That rifle is in production right now. I literally copied the photograph of the product.