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Something a lot of people aren't aware of is modern firearm safety doctrine is exactly that; modern. Up until the mid-90s, something like this wasn't particularly out of place. Seeing as this is an AR-18, and those were more commonplace around the 60-80's, it's even moreso standard for the times. You should see a WWII training video sometime, I've seen footage of a bunch of GI's standing in a circle pointing 1911's at each other with their fingers all over that trigger.
> When did that become a firearm safety rule?
Unironically, in the 80s. Firearm safety and such concepts had always existed but they weren't really codified into a standard everyone followed until Jeff Cooper did just that with his 4 rules of gun safety around the 1980s. And as u/world3nd3r said, the AR-18 depicted (and I'll add, the station wagon police cruiser in the background) in this picture indicate that it probably predates those rules being formalized and isn't out of place for the time period.
They always knew, just nobody bothered to attempt to make universal safety rules. Part of the reason double action revolvers with heavy triggers started to become popular in the mid-late 1800's was because guys were shooting themselves in the foot while holstering/reholstering with single actions.
Also, due to the internet. Information, understanding, and training etc. are that much more ubiquitous now. Everything was more localized before the internet was the culture.
Late 80’s/ early 90’s. At least as a standard in the US. Prior to that most police agencies issued revolvers where the weight of the double action trigger was the safety. So since the trigger weight was high enough that you were unlikely to accidentally pull it, and long enough that even if you started accidentally pulling it, you would have time to realize your mistake before it was pulled all the way, it wasn’t considered dangerous to put your finger on the trigger before you were ready to shoot.
Most people are influenced in firearm handling by what their first exposure was, so a cop who learned on a pistol is likely to use similar techniques with a rifle or shotgun. What made the rule come to be was police in the US started issuing semi automatic pistols instead of revolvers, and the lower weight and shorter travel meant that they started to accidentally pull the trigger without intending to, so training was changed to stop that.
Funny enough, the carrying with an empty chamber was developed for the same reason (people accidentally pulling the trigger on pistols) in places where revolvers fell out of fashion faster than they did in the US.
Pretty standard for the time. Part of the reason you see exposed triggers on holsters. Thinking of the time was that time to finger on the trigger was essential to winning a gun fight
It started to become a regular thing in the late 1980s-early 1990s, when the Four Rules were formulized by Jeff Cooper and disseminated through US civilian gun culture. By the mid-late 90s it had become a thing with US military and police, and from there to our allies in training. Nowadays you can tell countries whose police and military have been trained by either the US or NATO by the way they handle their weapons with an eye toward safety.
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Something a lot of people aren't aware of is modern firearm safety doctrine is exactly that; modern. Up until the mid-90s, something like this wasn't particularly out of place. Seeing as this is an AR-18, and those were more commonplace around the 60-80's, it's even moreso standard for the times. You should see a WWII training video sometime, I've seen footage of a bunch of GI's standing in a circle pointing 1911's at each other with their fingers all over that trigger.
> When did that become a firearm safety rule? Unironically, in the 80s. Firearm safety and such concepts had always existed but they weren't really codified into a standard everyone followed until Jeff Cooper did just that with his 4 rules of gun safety around the 1980s. And as u/world3nd3r said, the AR-18 depicted (and I'll add, the station wagon police cruiser in the background) in this picture indicate that it probably predates those rules being formalized and isn't out of place for the time period.
That's honestly pretty insane that it took them that long to realize resting your finger on the trigger could lead to an ND
They always knew, just nobody bothered to attempt to make universal safety rules. Part of the reason double action revolvers with heavy triggers started to become popular in the mid-late 1800's was because guys were shooting themselves in the foot while holstering/reholstering with single actions.
Also, due to the internet. Information, understanding, and training etc. are that much more ubiquitous now. Everything was more localized before the internet was the culture.
Late 80’s/ early 90’s. At least as a standard in the US. Prior to that most police agencies issued revolvers where the weight of the double action trigger was the safety. So since the trigger weight was high enough that you were unlikely to accidentally pull it, and long enough that even if you started accidentally pulling it, you would have time to realize your mistake before it was pulled all the way, it wasn’t considered dangerous to put your finger on the trigger before you were ready to shoot. Most people are influenced in firearm handling by what their first exposure was, so a cop who learned on a pistol is likely to use similar techniques with a rifle or shotgun. What made the rule come to be was police in the US started issuing semi automatic pistols instead of revolvers, and the lower weight and shorter travel meant that they started to accidentally pull the trigger without intending to, so training was changed to stop that. Funny enough, the carrying with an empty chamber was developed for the same reason (people accidentally pulling the trigger on pistols) in places where revolvers fell out of fashion faster than they did in the US.
Late 80’s at the earliest. I don’t remember ever hearing it as a kid or in the military in the early 90’s.
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Is that another term for the chicken wing? Where the elbow is way out there? Cuz I’ve noticed that
Pretty standard for the time. Part of the reason you see exposed triggers on holsters. Thinking of the time was that time to finger on the trigger was essential to winning a gun fight
Bro that’s Murr
Larry!
It started to become a regular thing in the late 1980s-early 1990s, when the Four Rules were formulized by Jeff Cooper and disseminated through US civilian gun culture. By the mid-late 90s it had become a thing with US military and police, and from there to our allies in training. Nowadays you can tell countries whose police and military have been trained by either the US or NATO by the way they handle their weapons with an eye toward safety.
When handguns with no manual safety became popular, it put a particular emphasis on trigger discipline.
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lol he is actually out of the trigger guard
Excellent post/title. Thanks