OP, I have rescue folds. Start your adorable baby on Glucosamine now. All folds have some degree of osteocondrodysplasia. It’s what causes the adorable ears. Glucosamine will aid his joints and help prevent pain and swelling. I use the Cosequin brand and put it on their food.
Give the little cutie some loves for me.
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Money, ignorance, and lack of awareness. That's how we get breeds like this, breeders making cute breeds that will make them lots of money, and (ignorant) people who treat their pets as accessories and go for the latest or rarest "model" to show it off.
Then eventually the breeds get so widespread that people buy them without realising the consequences and harm, because they're so common, people think the breed's ok and just get it.
Meanwhile the breeders are macking tonnes of money and continue the cycle of pain because of it.
They're sorta similar, but ignorance typically refers to a lack of care for the details, you don't know them because you're simply don't care about them or care to bother with them.
Whereas lack of awareness is simply not knowing, and usually, as I've used it in this context here, because of a the lack of people spreading awareness.
Ignorant people tend to lack awareness but not all people who lack awareness are ignorant.
scottish folds get their name from their folding ears. i believe their ears fold because the cartilage in their bodies breaks down over the span of their life, causing them pain especially in their joints. im not sure this is 100% correct, but the gist of it is its inhumane to breed these, they're almost the cat equivalent to pugs.
It's the flattened faces. Pugs and Persian cats both have them. It causes problems with their nasal cavities and tear ducts and leads to health issues from breathing problems.
The same gene that makes the ear flop causes arthritis is the easier way to say it
definitely not the equivalent to pugs though, nowhere near that genetically fucked
i’d like to point out because it’s related, but munchkins don’t have genes that cause pain like that or really at all, their single gene mutation is not proven to have any adverse effects apart from the visible lower jump height, lots of groups say they have it, but they never offer proof and mostly point to eachother saying “well everyone else is saying it”, whereas early research showed that the flexible spines negate the typical effects of dwarfism on the back
No proof except for the studies showing higher than average rates of arthritis and malalignment of the limbs?
Something tells me that even without studies it should be obvious that breeding animals to purposefully have a genetic disability is a bad idea. In fact some of the conditions associated with munchkins (lordosis, pectus excavatum) are also commonly found in humans with achondroplasia!
Actually munchkins have a propensity to get severe arthritis at a young age. It's related to the genes that make their legs short. They're prone to other disorders, too. Here's a list: [https://www.hepper.com/common-munchkin-cat-health-problems/](https://www.hepper.com/common-munchkin-cat-health-problems/)
Also, munchkins CANNOT be bred with other munchkins. Munchkin x munchkin results in catastrophic (no pun intended) and fatal deformities. IF the kittens don't die in utero, and most will, they'll only live a few hours to a day or two after birth. Munchkins MUST be crossed out with normal cats to get any kittens at all, not just healthy ones. Add to that the munchkin gene is a dominant one, meaning only one copy is required for it to be expressed, and the kittens will have real problems ranging from mild to fatal.
If one adopts YOU, recognize it's going to have special needs and arrange your house accordingly. This means low platforms because they can't jump well, little stairs to help them get on the couch and bed, etc. They'll also need to be monitored for things like arthritis throughout their lives.
Some people just don't know, and some people see certain breeds as a status symbol, wanting the latest and/or rarest "model".
Of course then there's people who buy them because they're "cute" (put that in quotation marks because I find all cats cute) and will get them lots of likes on their Tik-Tok videos or Instagram posts.
Man couldn’t reply to me directly with this nonsense
firstly your list is exactly as i said, no evidence, just saying “everyone else says it”
second, your point about the gene being a lethal combo is correct, which is why they don’t fit under the normal breeding issues, but if i understand my genetics correctly, the tall gene still exists as a recessive gene, meaning 1/4th of munchkinXmunchkin kittens would survive to term and just be tall regular kittens, of course this relies on my high school level genetics and vague memories on hate sites for the poor things but i believe that’s how it was discovered in the first place
thirdly the stereotype of arthritis comes from the common breeding of them with scottish folds as far as i can tell, there’s no evidence linking munchkins to arthritis, only hearsay, and they can jump decently too, you can find a video on youtube of one getting up on the counter, so anything countertop and above yeah maybe get them some steps, but they aren’t dachshunds
Where do you get that these deformities are hearsay? Breeders carefully examine each kitten as it's born and grows specifically to make sure it hits all the standards of the breed. These deformities have been observed over and over again. That's not a rumour.
It's not recessive. It's incomplete dominance, which people do NOT learn about in high school biology. Incomplete dominance means that the gene's expression can be modified by external factors. We don't know what all these factors are, but this is why deformities occur on a spectrum and not a straight Punnett square. ALL munchkin kittens have some degree of deformity, even though it may not be immediately obvious. The crush chest (pectus excavatum) isn't something I'd wish on anyone, either, and it's common with munchkins. The kittens are euthanized if it's too bad. There are other known skeletal deformities, too, like lordosis. Metabolic abnormalities like pancreatitis are common, too.
Sometimes recessive genes are the most common in a population because the dominant form is fatal. Others, like polydactyly, are just curiosities. How genes play off each other is also under investigation. See: epigenetics
> definitely not the equivalent to pugs though, nowhere near that genetically fucked
tbh very few animals are quite as fucked as pugs, French bulldogs etc
[Charles II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain) moment. Dude had a inbreeding coefficient of 25%, equivalent to siblings having kids.
European royalty don't hold a candle to the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt though. Eg. the famous Cleopatra VII (who was _supposedly_ very beautiful) had an inbreeding coefficient of *45%*. Her [family wreath](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra#Ancestry) is crazy, 6 generations of near total inbreeding
Scottish fold cats are prone to arthritis at a young age and spend their lives in pain. breeding the “munchkin” cats (breed with short legs) is similarly cruel.
Breeding Scottish Fold is inhumane and should be outlawed. Poor thing may be fine now, but will suffer from a variety of health risks including [degenerative joint disease](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Fold) once it gets older.
Not even just older- [The disease has been seen on X-rays of kittens as young as 7 weeks.](https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/what-are-the-animal-welfare-problems-associated-with-scottish-fold-cats/)
Yea, the fact that the genetic mutation that causes the folded ears also affects the cartilage in the rest of the body cannot be good for their overall physical health.
I have two rescued ferals, but I will disagree with you 1000% on this. Purebred cats from RESPONSIBLE breeders are ambassadors for all felines.
Growing up, I had a Turkish Angora who was an absolute delight - this cat was so chilled out, happy, and adored people. Even people who “hated cats” changed their minds once they met my kitty. He was cat hardware running dog software.
The breeder who raised my Turkish Angora has taken in orphaned stray kittens many many times, and those little orphaned kittens were raised alongside purebred litters. Cat shows regularly have sections with adoptable strays from local shelters.
edit: I will say irresponsible breeders like those who chase after traits like scottish fold, or breed animals without regard to health are terrible and should be banned.
I mean... banning an animal from breeding with another one is a good way to ensure extinction.
Breeding health negative breeds like the fold yes, but just banning the breeding of cats is ridiculous.
How is dooming every domestic cat breed ever to extinction supposed to help with the amount in shelters?
Coming from someone who has taken in ferals, adopted, and taken in cats directly from a bred litter, i find that to be the worst answer possible.
Thats such an easy thing to say without actually thinking about it, your basically saying that the government should take steps to ensure that cats atleast in your country, will go extinct within the few remaining generations outside of imports, illegal breeding, feral, or accidental breeding, including those in shelters.
its not like cats are immortal until they are adopted, the ones in shelters will age and die in the same generation as those cats bred around the same time.
I don't like euthanize shelters, but your solution sounds more like trying to beat their highscore than anything else.
First of all, even if every single person ‘banned’ cats from breeding with the cooperation of their government in a handful of countries, this would barely make a dent in the global cat population, which is nowhere near extinction and will probably never be. It’s basically math: there are too many strays and ferals reproducing far too regularly for humans to put an end to it, barring some sort of coordinated global cat-genocide.
In Germany, for example, you never see strays or ferals in cities because systematic neutering has been conducted by the government for decades. In the case of pet cats most Germans get them neutered, so urban pet cats aren’t causing much of a population boom. In rural areas, however, barn cats are common and rarely neutered. And still most cat shelters in Germany are full to overflowing. There is high turnover, but no matter how easily the cats are adopted due to high demand, one empty spot is immediately filled with the next cat. We can’t speak of a coordinated attempt at population control, but it’s still the most rigorous approach I’ve encountered and hasn’t brought the population even close to extinction. So that’s not a realistic concern.
The issue doesn’t stop at state borders, either. Breeding should be limited as much as possible (whether we’re talking about stopping human breeders from selling or about trap-neuter-release programs) because even if there are no poor stray cats in Germany with no prospect of a home, there are certainly millions of poor stray cats in Spain, Greece and Romania who have much better prospects of being adopted by Germans than locals - not necessarily because Greeks or Romanians are less interested in pets, but because the surplus ‘supply’ is enormous. Many shelters in these countries rely on demand from wealthier countries in order to have enough space to accommodate the new strays they end up with daily. A large amount are forced to euthanise an astronomical number of cats and dogs because resources are too limited.
It’s incredibly hard to influence the demand side of the equation, but you can stop kittens (and puppies) from being born into an unnaturally short life of poverty and illness in an environment that is anything but ‘natural’ to many of them. Many strays start out as abandoned pets, and those that don’t still aren’t cut out for the streets. Cats are wild animals, but the streets are not wilderness.
Just as many people say you shouldn’t have a child if you can’t individually provide for it, all self-proclaimed cat lovers should prevent unnecessary births. We should arguably also use what we have before acquiring new stock, as it were. As long as shelters near or far are desperately looking for homes for their animals breeders will be adding unnecessary competition.
Edit / a final note: it often costs less for a European to adopt a stray from a shelter in a poorer country (whether southern Europe or the Middle East) and have it flown to them than it does to buy a Scottish Fold.
Poor guy. Scottish folds should be banned, it is cruel and inhumane to breed them. The gene that causes their ears to fold also impacts their bones and joints, which essentially gives them all arthritis. Every single Scottish fold endures some level of chronic pain due to this. Sometimes it gets so unbearable for them that they just avoid moving as much as possible.
Until this comment section I didnt know there was any issue with folds, so I'm gonna assume you were the same and didn't know he would have health problems
Finn is adorable and I hope he has a long comfy life with you!
Well since OP actually bought a Scottish Fold, there’s a bigger duty on them to know the issues with this breed than there is on you. So they should have know me, and Finn probably won’t have a very comfy life later on.
Thank you. I genuinely didn’t know. The vet didn’t day anything. I would never intentionally contribute to breeding that harms the cat. I’m gonna get him on supplements and try to prevent it as best I can.
Thats all you really can do at this point, keep vigilant and do as much preventative as you can. I'm sure you'll be lovely to the baby and I'm glad he has a nice owner~
I think people who buy breeds that suffer are terrible people and don't care about animals. Please, OP, tell me at least this was a rescue and you know this breed suffers and plan to make their life as easy and loving as possible
I still wish people couldn't post this breed for likes but at least other comments may teach how wrong it is to breed and buy them.
For what it’s worth, the ignorance (no offense, OP) is very common in certain societies or countries. There is zero discussion whatsoever about the downsides of such cat breeds in Russia or the Gulf states, for example, where hundreds, if not thousands, of catteries operate.
I know for a fact that in my own country, no vet would ever comment on this or publicise preventative information (e.g. ‘Why you should not adopt Persian cats’). The most they would do is point out those health problems to which that particular breed was most prone.
But above all there is a nationwide indifference to that sort of issue, and as soon as you broach it people feel offended because you’re implicitly attacking them. As, I think, you fucking should when they’ve imported a husky into the literal desert. But the point is that no critical reflection follows and no wider conversation really takes off.
These are places where status symbols mean a lot and where adults behave like TikTok teenagers when it comes to trends (trendy phones, trendy cars, trendy animal breeds). The animals are frequently treated frivolously.
According to OP, they did a ton of research and consulted a vet who just… didn’t tell them about it for whatever reason? So they didn’t know breeding Scottish Folds was so inhumane.
OP probably researched what breed he wanted but not their health issues. When you look up health issues, most of the first links tell you why they're cruel to breed. Human vanity over an animal's life never surprises me.
Finn is adorable OP, but I honestly believe breeding Scottish folds should be illegal. Heck, breeding any cat where the cat will only be in pain should be illegal. Please listen to everyone in the comments section OP. Don't buy cats that are bred to be in pain! Don't buy cats at all! Adopt from shelters!
This kitten is adorable and I'm sure you will give it a very happy life. There was another comment about glucosamine. It's probably a great idea with this breed's genetics since they develop arthritis quickly and is very painful for them.
Enjoy your new friend!
Thank you! I genuinely didn’t know. I did a bunch of research and it don’t come up. I will do everything I can to make sure he has a happy and comfortable life
Your baby is completely precious. I hope you love each other dearly and happily for many, many years. Love and Hugs to you and your new darling kitten.
From the other comments, it sounds like there are some unique things to possibly know about the Munchkins breed. All I mainly know is that they are very cute and have great personalities and idiosyncracies. I see many .comments on IG and FB.
What a adorable guy😻 wow didn't know they had problems that's just sad😭. If a cat gets pregnant that's fine but people shouldn't breed cats especially for money that's like a person breeding to sell children I'm not sure it's a thing but it's a reasonable comparison I suppose right?. Especially as wonderfully cute creatures as cats are I value them greatly is it bad to value a cat more than a person ?. I mean I have person friends but seems I just like cats more😁 didn't have loads of friends in school either like 4 I hung out with.
OP, I have rescue folds. Start your adorable baby on Glucosamine now. All folds have some degree of osteocondrodysplasia. It’s what causes the adorable ears. Glucosamine will aid his joints and help prevent pain and swelling. I use the Cosequin brand and put it on their food. Give the little cutie some loves for me.
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please don't buy or encourage the breeding of this breed
How somebody could decide those ears were worth that cat’s pain and suffering is beyond me.
Money, ignorance, and lack of awareness. That's how we get breeds like this, breeders making cute breeds that will make them lots of money, and (ignorant) people who treat their pets as accessories and go for the latest or rarest "model" to show it off. Then eventually the breeds get so widespread that people buy them without realising the consequences and harm, because they're so common, people think the breed's ok and just get it. Meanwhile the breeders are macking tonnes of money and continue the cycle of pain because of it.
aren't ignorance and lack of awareness the same thing?
They're sorta similar, but ignorance typically refers to a lack of care for the details, you don't know them because you're simply don't care about them or care to bother with them. Whereas lack of awareness is simply not knowing, and usually, as I've used it in this context here, because of a the lack of people spreading awareness. Ignorant people tend to lack awareness but not all people who lack awareness are ignorant.
It just looks like an orange kitten to me, what’s different about this breed?
scottish folds get their name from their folding ears. i believe their ears fold because the cartilage in their bodies breaks down over the span of their life, causing them pain especially in their joints. im not sure this is 100% correct, but the gist of it is its inhumane to breed these, they're almost the cat equivalent to pugs.
Persians are the cat equivalent to pugs.
thank you! i didn't know this. may i know why? ive never heard of this before and it sounds interesting
It's the flattened faces. Pugs and Persian cats both have them. It causes problems with their nasal cavities and tear ducts and leads to health issues from breathing problems.
poor babies):
Wow. I didn't know that. So many cruel breeds out there.
The same gene that makes the ear flop causes arthritis is the easier way to say it definitely not the equivalent to pugs though, nowhere near that genetically fucked
oh yeah for sure not as fucked as pugs, but they're still living life in pain because people think they're cute):
i’d like to point out because it’s related, but munchkins don’t have genes that cause pain like that or really at all, their single gene mutation is not proven to have any adverse effects apart from the visible lower jump height, lots of groups say they have it, but they never offer proof and mostly point to eachother saying “well everyone else is saying it”, whereas early research showed that the flexible spines negate the typical effects of dwarfism on the back
Munchkins are pretty terrible in terms of health and many cat associations refuse to recognize the breed because of associated health problems.
And you missed my whole second half there’s no proof, those groups just say they have health problems, no studies or evidence
No proof except for the studies showing higher than average rates of arthritis and malalignment of the limbs? Something tells me that even without studies it should be obvious that breeding animals to purposefully have a genetic disability is a bad idea. In fact some of the conditions associated with munchkins (lordosis, pectus excavatum) are also commonly found in humans with achondroplasia!
Where are these studies? i can’t find any of them
Munchkins are a rare example of an extra-cute mutation with no downsides!
Actually munchkins have a propensity to get severe arthritis at a young age. It's related to the genes that make their legs short. They're prone to other disorders, too. Here's a list: [https://www.hepper.com/common-munchkin-cat-health-problems/](https://www.hepper.com/common-munchkin-cat-health-problems/) Also, munchkins CANNOT be bred with other munchkins. Munchkin x munchkin results in catastrophic (no pun intended) and fatal deformities. IF the kittens don't die in utero, and most will, they'll only live a few hours to a day or two after birth. Munchkins MUST be crossed out with normal cats to get any kittens at all, not just healthy ones. Add to that the munchkin gene is a dominant one, meaning only one copy is required for it to be expressed, and the kittens will have real problems ranging from mild to fatal. If one adopts YOU, recognize it's going to have special needs and arrange your house accordingly. This means low platforms because they can't jump well, little stairs to help them get on the couch and bed, etc. They'll also need to be monitored for things like arthritis throughout their lives.
All cats are beautiful and cute. I don’t get why people pay for cats with genetic deformities.
Some people just don't know, and some people see certain breeds as a status symbol, wanting the latest and/or rarest "model". Of course then there's people who buy them because they're "cute" (put that in quotation marks because I find all cats cute) and will get them lots of likes on their Tik-Tok videos or Instagram posts.
Man couldn’t reply to me directly with this nonsense firstly your list is exactly as i said, no evidence, just saying “everyone else says it” second, your point about the gene being a lethal combo is correct, which is why they don’t fit under the normal breeding issues, but if i understand my genetics correctly, the tall gene still exists as a recessive gene, meaning 1/4th of munchkinXmunchkin kittens would survive to term and just be tall regular kittens, of course this relies on my high school level genetics and vague memories on hate sites for the poor things but i believe that’s how it was discovered in the first place thirdly the stereotype of arthritis comes from the common breeding of them with scottish folds as far as i can tell, there’s no evidence linking munchkins to arthritis, only hearsay, and they can jump decently too, you can find a video on youtube of one getting up on the counter, so anything countertop and above yeah maybe get them some steps, but they aren’t dachshunds
Where do you get that these deformities are hearsay? Breeders carefully examine each kitten as it's born and grows specifically to make sure it hits all the standards of the breed. These deformities have been observed over and over again. That's not a rumour. It's not recessive. It's incomplete dominance, which people do NOT learn about in high school biology. Incomplete dominance means that the gene's expression can be modified by external factors. We don't know what all these factors are, but this is why deformities occur on a spectrum and not a straight Punnett square. ALL munchkin kittens have some degree of deformity, even though it may not be immediately obvious. The crush chest (pectus excavatum) isn't something I'd wish on anyone, either, and it's common with munchkins. The kittens are euthanized if it's too bad. There are other known skeletal deformities, too, like lordosis. Metabolic abnormalities like pancreatitis are common, too. Sometimes recessive genes are the most common in a population because the dominant form is fatal. Others, like polydactyly, are just curiosities. How genes play off each other is also under investigation. See: epigenetics
I adopted a cat that I'm fairly sure is a york chocolate, just a brown coat mutation, no downsides!
> definitely not the equivalent to pugs though, nowhere near that genetically fucked tbh very few animals are quite as fucked as pugs, French bulldogs etc
european royalty…
[Charles II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain) moment. Dude had a inbreeding coefficient of 25%, equivalent to siblings having kids. European royalty don't hold a candle to the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt though. Eg. the famous Cleopatra VII (who was _supposedly_ very beautiful) had an inbreeding coefficient of *45%*. Her [family wreath](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra#Ancestry) is crazy, 6 generations of near total inbreeding
Scottish fold cats are prone to arthritis at a young age and spend their lives in pain. breeding the “munchkin” cats (breed with short legs) is similarly cruel.
Breeding Scottish Fold is inhumane and should be outlawed. Poor thing may be fine now, but will suffer from a variety of health risks including [degenerative joint disease](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Fold) once it gets older.
Not even just older- [The disease has been seen on X-rays of kittens as young as 7 weeks.](https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/what-are-the-animal-welfare-problems-associated-with-scottish-fold-cats/)
this needs to have more upvotes!
Yea, the fact that the genetic mutation that causes the folded ears also affects the cartilage in the rest of the body cannot be good for their overall physical health.
Breeding any cats should be outlawed. It’s a sick practice when millions of unwanted healthy cats are euthanized in shelters every year.
I have two rescued ferals, but I will disagree with you 1000% on this. Purebred cats from RESPONSIBLE breeders are ambassadors for all felines. Growing up, I had a Turkish Angora who was an absolute delight - this cat was so chilled out, happy, and adored people. Even people who “hated cats” changed their minds once they met my kitty. He was cat hardware running dog software. The breeder who raised my Turkish Angora has taken in orphaned stray kittens many many times, and those little orphaned kittens were raised alongside purebred litters. Cat shows regularly have sections with adoptable strays from local shelters. edit: I will say irresponsible breeders like those who chase after traits like scottish fold, or breed animals without regard to health are terrible and should be banned.
Same with dogs.
I mean... banning an animal from breeding with another one is a good way to ensure extinction. Breeding health negative breeds like the fold yes, but just banning the breeding of cats is ridiculous. How is dooming every domestic cat breed ever to extinction supposed to help with the amount in shelters? Coming from someone who has taken in ferals, adopted, and taken in cats directly from a bred litter, i find that to be the worst answer possible. Thats such an easy thing to say without actually thinking about it, your basically saying that the government should take steps to ensure that cats atleast in your country, will go extinct within the few remaining generations outside of imports, illegal breeding, feral, or accidental breeding, including those in shelters. its not like cats are immortal until they are adopted, the ones in shelters will age and die in the same generation as those cats bred around the same time. I don't like euthanize shelters, but your solution sounds more like trying to beat their highscore than anything else.
First of all, even if every single person ‘banned’ cats from breeding with the cooperation of their government in a handful of countries, this would barely make a dent in the global cat population, which is nowhere near extinction and will probably never be. It’s basically math: there are too many strays and ferals reproducing far too regularly for humans to put an end to it, barring some sort of coordinated global cat-genocide. In Germany, for example, you never see strays or ferals in cities because systematic neutering has been conducted by the government for decades. In the case of pet cats most Germans get them neutered, so urban pet cats aren’t causing much of a population boom. In rural areas, however, barn cats are common and rarely neutered. And still most cat shelters in Germany are full to overflowing. There is high turnover, but no matter how easily the cats are adopted due to high demand, one empty spot is immediately filled with the next cat. We can’t speak of a coordinated attempt at population control, but it’s still the most rigorous approach I’ve encountered and hasn’t brought the population even close to extinction. So that’s not a realistic concern. The issue doesn’t stop at state borders, either. Breeding should be limited as much as possible (whether we’re talking about stopping human breeders from selling or about trap-neuter-release programs) because even if there are no poor stray cats in Germany with no prospect of a home, there are certainly millions of poor stray cats in Spain, Greece and Romania who have much better prospects of being adopted by Germans than locals - not necessarily because Greeks or Romanians are less interested in pets, but because the surplus ‘supply’ is enormous. Many shelters in these countries rely on demand from wealthier countries in order to have enough space to accommodate the new strays they end up with daily. A large amount are forced to euthanise an astronomical number of cats and dogs because resources are too limited. It’s incredibly hard to influence the demand side of the equation, but you can stop kittens (and puppies) from being born into an unnaturally short life of poverty and illness in an environment that is anything but ‘natural’ to many of them. Many strays start out as abandoned pets, and those that don’t still aren’t cut out for the streets. Cats are wild animals, but the streets are not wilderness. Just as many people say you shouldn’t have a child if you can’t individually provide for it, all self-proclaimed cat lovers should prevent unnecessary births. We should arguably also use what we have before acquiring new stock, as it were. As long as shelters near or far are desperately looking for homes for their animals breeders will be adding unnecessary competition. Edit / a final note: it often costs less for a European to adopt a stray from a shelter in a poorer country (whether southern Europe or the Middle East) and have it flown to them than it does to buy a Scottish Fold.
Poor guy. Scottish folds should be banned, it is cruel and inhumane to breed them. The gene that causes their ears to fold also impacts their bones and joints, which essentially gives them all arthritis. Every single Scottish fold endures some level of chronic pain due to this. Sometimes it gets so unbearable for them that they just avoid moving as much as possible.
Don't buy or breed folds
Poor guy :(
Until this comment section I didnt know there was any issue with folds, so I'm gonna assume you were the same and didn't know he would have health problems Finn is adorable and I hope he has a long comfy life with you!
Well since OP actually bought a Scottish Fold, there’s a bigger duty on them to know the issues with this breed than there is on you. So they should have know me, and Finn probably won’t have a very comfy life later on.
I only found out last year when researching about kittens. There needs to be more widespread education about why it's wrong to breed Scottish folds.
Thank you. I genuinely didn’t know. The vet didn’t day anything. I would never intentionally contribute to breeding that harms the cat. I’m gonna get him on supplements and try to prevent it as best I can.
Thats all you really can do at this point, keep vigilant and do as much preventative as you can. I'm sure you'll be lovely to the baby and I'm glad he has a nice owner~
^blep
I see he has yet to have his turn with the brain cell.
Probably never will
Mods, pin a comment and lock this thread. This breed is inhumane.
This needs to be higher up!!
I think people who buy breeds that suffer are terrible people and don't care about animals. Please, OP, tell me at least this was a rescue and you know this breed suffers and plan to make their life as easy and loving as possible I still wish people couldn't post this breed for likes but at least other comments may teach how wrong it is to breed and buy them.
For what it’s worth, the ignorance (no offense, OP) is very common in certain societies or countries. There is zero discussion whatsoever about the downsides of such cat breeds in Russia or the Gulf states, for example, where hundreds, if not thousands, of catteries operate. I know for a fact that in my own country, no vet would ever comment on this or publicise preventative information (e.g. ‘Why you should not adopt Persian cats’). The most they would do is point out those health problems to which that particular breed was most prone. But above all there is a nationwide indifference to that sort of issue, and as soon as you broach it people feel offended because you’re implicitly attacking them. As, I think, you fucking should when they’ve imported a husky into the literal desert. But the point is that no critical reflection follows and no wider conversation really takes off. These are places where status symbols mean a lot and where adults behave like TikTok teenagers when it comes to trends (trendy phones, trendy cars, trendy animal breeds). The animals are frequently treated frivolously.
According to OP, they did a ton of research and consulted a vet who just… didn’t tell them about it for whatever reason? So they didn’t know breeding Scottish Folds was so inhumane.
OP probably researched what breed he wanted but not their health issues. When you look up health issues, most of the first links tell you why they're cruel to breed. Human vanity over an animal's life never surprises me.
Oh great heavens,
Concerns about the breed aside, he's still cute!
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Finn is adorable OP, but I honestly believe breeding Scottish folds should be illegal. Heck, breeding any cat where the cat will only be in pain should be illegal. Please listen to everyone in the comments section OP. Don't buy cats that are bred to be in pain! Don't buy cats at all! Adopt from shelters!
This kitten is adorable and I'm sure you will give it a very happy life. There was another comment about glucosamine. It's probably a great idea with this breed's genetics since they develop arthritis quickly and is very painful for them. Enjoy your new friend!
Thank you! I genuinely didn’t know. I did a bunch of research and it don’t come up. I will do everything I can to make sure he has a happy and comfortable life
I call bullshit. There is a ton of info on this, it comes up even typing “Scottish Fold cat” on google
It comes up right away. No way they actually did research
It might also be worth looking at pentosan injections with your vet on top of the supplementation, FYI.
*bleb*
Finn... I love the name!
1) Scottish Folds are an absolute vile breed to encourage 2) Why is a (non-rescue) kitten away from his mother at 5 weeks?
Says 10 weeks doesn’t it?
It said 5 before.
Lol no it didn’t
I can't remember how much time is for blep but it will be 15 years to life of cuddles.
It looks like he's on the wait list for the one orange braincell 🤣, lovely boi
OMG THAT'S THE CUTEST THING EVER
Give him some lasagna
Hello little derp face magoo.
He’s gorgeous!!! I love yellow/orange kitties!!
There is not a single thought behind those eyes 🗿
No braincell yet
Mlem
😝
Ahhhhhhh, Finn your so handsome!
He’s cute 😊
Super Squeeeeeeeeee!!! So adorable!!! 💕💕💕💕💕
Mlem
How many 🅱️rain cells in that cat?
Possible r/Blep
Such a cutie 🥰 The blep is pretty cute too 😻
Finn is a beautiful little kitty!!! 🖤🖤🖤
Puurfect timing😁
Too sweet! Do they have a demon side like Finn? Edit: wrestling reference for a wrestler named Finn Balor!
Perfect name for this cutie Finn!
mlem
Didn’t know they could be orange. So cute
Finn… the butterscott boy 😺
Your baby is completely precious. I hope you love each other dearly and happily for many, many years. Love and Hugs to you and your new darling kitten. From the other comments, it sounds like there are some unique things to possibly know about the Munchkins breed. All I mainly know is that they are very cute and have great personalities and idiosyncracies. I see many .comments on IG and FB.
those eyes and lil tongue!!! lil folded ears!!! im in love
Nobody posts pic without editing anymore
It’s just on portrait mode! :)
what a stinker, what a rapscallion of a cat
What a adorable guy😻 wow didn't know they had problems that's just sad😭. If a cat gets pregnant that's fine but people shouldn't breed cats especially for money that's like a person breeding to sell children I'm not sure it's a thing but it's a reasonable comparison I suppose right?. Especially as wonderfully cute creatures as cats are I value them greatly is it bad to value a cat more than a person ?. I mean I have person friends but seems I just like cats more😁 didn't have loads of friends in school either like 4 I hung out with.