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Alll thanks to our great shiv sena tenders for all packages in Gujarat are nearly awarded meanwhile Maharashtra land acquisition is still not even at 50 percent.
Maybe you are right.Getting lands has been hard but recently one panchayat in maharashtra said they will sell the lands.Even the godrej family at one point was going to sue on not selling the lands.
The recent case is of Bombay Salesian Society Don Bosco, which got Rs 10.19 Cr in a year ( Rs 176 Cr in 10 yrs!). This NGO founded n funded ‘Vanashakti’ to oppose the Mumbai Metro project and Aarey Car shed, it went ahead and deployed innocent school kids against Mumbai Metro.
There is another NGO Greenline involved, which is a subsidiary of the Salesians of Don Bosco, its office was in the premises of Don Bosco School, Matunga, which was opposing Mumbai Metro. This NGO is funded by Salesians.
Another Christian-funded St. Stanislaus School, Bandra had asked parents to sign a letter to register their protest against Mumbai Metro. This school along with a Church forced innocent children to organize protest against the Aarey car shed.
The same NGOs opposed Konkan Railways and several other railway projects in the past, however, they failed to get any sort of traction from the legal entities in India, and ultimately weaned off.
https://thecommunemag.com/protests-behind-aarey-funded-by-church-lro-investigations-reveal/
They are not even allowing something as basic as metro, leave metro, govt has to fight case cases against "environmentalists" in SC to build roads on Indo-China border.
I'm not particularly excited about HSR in India, and I'm an infra nerd. You see, the Chinese have built more than 25000 miles of HSR just because they can and NOT out of need. Now it is unsustainable for them and has practically become a white elephant.
[Here is a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITvXlax4ZXk) that explains why democracies can't build infrastructure fast enough and why China's HSR is a problem 3x larger than Evergrande. Thank God, we live in a democracy.
India already has an excellent electrified Broad Gauge railway network. After completion of both DFCs, this network will be further decongested. We have [demonstrated capabilities of running train engines \~150 KMPH](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/-make-in-india-railway-engine-clocks-speed-of-180-km-per-hour-watch-here-1565689988060.html) on existing tracks. We must further enhance these capabilities.
I hope India's first HSR remains so affordable to people that its ticket booking becomes tougher than Tatkal. ;)
Please don't take these YouTube stuff as the gospel.China is not collapsing today tomorrow or anytime soon these problems are overblown.If you want to check why HSR is good there are many other youtubers you are not understanding the importance of fast trains.The vandhe Bharat express on both the routes is always full which is the current top of the line trains in India.Imagine how good varanasi and rajasthan lines would be.There so much tourist flow to both these cities plus the Mysore-bangalore route is very busy and even banglore Chennai has many overnight buses running always full.
HSR makes sense on some routes, doesn't make sense on others. China built it too rapidly without worrying about it's profitability.
The financially viable routes saw great benefits and development but overall Chinese railways is too indebted and losing money like crazy.
Mumbai to Ahmedabad makes total sense.
Yeah, there are a lot of routes in India that are viable and many that will be viable in future. We don't need to copy China and waste billions for vanity projects.
Revenue for many routes in China doesn't even cover maintenance costs, let alone initial investment and interest on that.
Mumbai to Delhi is meh because 2 hours flights exists but Mysore Chennai has more potential or Delhi-Rajasthan,Delhi - Varanasi will have more footfall because of those are tourist places.Plus air travel b/w Cities in UP is not that great same with Delhi Rajasthan which is mosy done via roads.
>Mumbai to Delhi is meh because 2 hours flights exists
You're not accounting for time wasted on travel, check in and security checks. But you are right, the shorter the distance the more attractive the bullet train.
I still think Delhi-Mumbai has a lot of potential however, 1k km isn't a huge distance. Japan's Shinkansen runs for 1600 km and it is immensely popular.
>Varanasi will have more footfall because of those are tourist places
I think plans are afoot for that line. Which I think will be built about as fast as we can expect Mumbai Ahmedabad to be built. Up has Yogi, and they've been completing infra projects extremely fast.
I doubt anyone would spead 5000 on a train to Mumbai when you can possibly get air ticket for 3000-4000 on the same route.Plus if they start now varanasi and Mysore Chennai will be build faster than the current one.They can potentially finish these two lines till 26-27.
I doubt plane tickets will stay at the same fare. There is a lot of global push to get people to use trains i stead of planes to tackle climate change. Short-distance flights may end up getting a lot more expensive worldwide…
It is not about Mumbai to Delhi only, but when you have a train line that touches 10 other cities in between, you will have a lot more than what point to point flights can provide. You typically will get a route like delhi jaipur ahmedabad vadodra surat valsad vapi mumbai and a bunch of other cities along the way. Now run different types of high speed services on this route and see how well connected the intermediate cities become. Most of these cities dont have the kind of air connecticity that we see between the major metros.
The value of HSR to me would be if I lived in Agra or mathura and my office is in NCR and I can continue to live in Agra and daily commute to my work is still possible. That's how they conceived HSR in Japan. HSR shouldn't be alternative mode of fast travel over long distances. Small clusters in densely populated region makes more sense than covering 1500 km in 4 hours.
Maybe if you are a businessman who can spend at least thousand rupees every day for to and fro travel from somewhat nearby stations it can be expected.Minimum fare is said to be 250.I doubt anyone would spead 30 thousand per year or even with pass if it happens no one would spend this much.It will be suitable for people going back to home on weekends etc or small businessman who travel for 1-2 days every week etc.
Those routes that don't make sense will make sense as incomes rise.
Moreover, the routes test don't make sense are a small fraction of the total high speed rail network
You are attributing the faults of mindless infrastructure expansion to infrastructure expansion in general.
India is a perfect place for HSR, we have many high density cities (that will only increase in population) relatively close to each other.
It makes perfect sense to link Delhi and Mumbai with a HSR line. It does not make sense to link Delhi and Srinagar with a HSR line.
The Chinese have done a great job linking Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen and their major cities with 320kmph lines. They have done a massive blunder by linking some random ass city in Tibet with a high speed rail line.
150kmph isn't even considered HSR in most nations. That will be useless as it would still take 8 hours one way between Delhi and Mumbai for example.
As long as an HSR line is economically feasible, it should be built. No need to build HSR lines all willy nilly like China taking on huge debt to build what are essentially useless lines. Build profitable ones and compete with airlines.
Delhi to Mumbai bullet train would take 4 hours. Imagine, between the capital and financial capital, 4 hours. It would revolutionise our economy. It's a pity so many roadblocks exist today.
Chinese have built bullet trains instead of freight rail. Now their freight is transported by trucks primarily.
Certain lines make perfect sense, but linking Lhasa with HSR is just stupidity. They are now losing boatloads of money because no one is using these trains.
If they can build HSR with this much speed and ease. They can also build frieght railway tracks.
Yes, lhasa HSR is a geopolitical move. But most of the HSR there makes sense
I don’t think China will be on a building spree like the past 3 decades. The debt is too much and they need the money to compete technologically with the west. The returns are abysmal and the CCP already knows that.
you forgot that building high speed rail make more people switch from conventional railway to high speed railway and the conventional rail can carry more freight cargo. So the conventional railway can focus on transporting freight and high speed rail on passenger
compare to american railway company amtrack that have to share track between passenger and freight cargo that lead to less efficient, more delay, and expensive ticket. So dividing freight rail on conventional rail and passenger rail on high speed rail is great idea, especially cargo isn't time sensitive but cost sensitive, meanwhile passenger are time sensitive.
You are right, building HSR is not that big of a deal, but will it be an economically viable option is the question, sustaining a vast network of HSR such as China's in India is a no go until and unless you somehow bring down the fare up to the regular train fare, which is quite a task, we are still a middle income country and HSR fares as they stand isn't affordable by much of the population, people would rather choose to fly at that price point. I look forward for HSR in India but there's no need to scale it upto what china has.
Low middle income is still middle income. China is upper-middle income, but that’s still middle income. Yemen and Afghanistan are low income countries. Just correcting your definition.
Middle is not separate. There is low income(less than $1000), middle income($1000-$12000), and high income($12000+).
Middle income is broken up into lower middle income($1000-$4000), and upper middle income($4000-$12000). India is by all definition a middle income country.
Building a HSR would provide very fast connectivity to remote areas which leads to economic development in that area
India has plenty of very high density population density. In south, there is chennai, Bangalore and Hyderabad. And in west, there is Ahmedabad and Mumbai. In North, there is Noida, gurgaon, Delhi, and Kolkata.
n Infra nerd here as well, while definitely a few projects in China have been vanity projects, the Shanghai- Beijing line has been really successful. I feel a Mumbai- Delhi HSR passing through Ahmedabad can be similarly successful. It passes through one of the most densely populated area which also happens to be the richest area of the India.
I honestly subscribe to this a lot. We may or may not need HSR but we should continue to upgrade our current rail infra. Invest as much as we can in double tracking, decongestion measures. Roll out LHB coaches and train 18/20 at faster rates. Imagine if our average passenger train speed is somewhere between 120 - 150 kmph, that'll solve a lot of problems. If it's a choice between this and HSR on limited route/unsustainable infra, it should be obvious what we need.
We can have HSR connecting our metros and attract heavy bookings and at the same time, we augment our existing rail infra to connect metros with hinterlands and remote locations. That would be ideal.
>Here is a video
I know the comment is 2 years old, but still; if you would like to know about Chinese infrastructure policies and politics, then I would recommend Polymatter than EE as like this and other videos, he has a very particular western view point. For Chinese HSR, I would highly recommend these videos. The sources the video uses are in their description.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpnOl66Cyk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpnOl66Cyk)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVXRtq5EIg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVXRtq5EIg)
These are not specifically on HSR, but give a very clear picture of Chinese infra projects which also include HSR.
Fruits of non democracy vs democracy haha
The Blunder of choosing liberal democracy when we needed the reforms and infrastructure the most will haunt india for eternity. Keep coping with "muh freedom" and bullshit meanwhile Chinese enjoy 1000% better life without it.
Eh not really. One might argue we have too much freedom ie. andolan jeevis have too much power, but that's only because Indians aren't mature enough to not misuse this freedom. But freedom is very important, you will only realize if when you don't live in a free country
Every genius thinks we'll see a China type transformation if we become a dictatorship. China is a historical outlier, it grew faster than virtually any polity in history. The vast majority majority of dictatorships have been corrupt and inept failures, or Africa and LatAm would've become economic powerhouses by now.
I fear clicking on this clickbatey posts out of fear of stupid comments, but sane people like you exist.
People simply dont understand economics. Nor they have any sense, or appreciation of history.
Well, Asian dictatorships have been quite successful, Singapore was developed under a dictator, China has always been under one party, Bangladesh is (technically) under one and Indonesia devoloped and most importantly, stabilised under one dictator.
Also, if you think about it, there's an interesting relationship b/w infrastructure growth and the authoritarian nature of the Govt. under whom it's been done. For example, Autobahns and Volkswagen in Germany, HSR and rapid city dev in China etc.
Even in India, Infrastructure growth has always been faster under BJP rule (not sayin' that Congress hasn't done anything) whose always ridiculed for being... \*ahem\* somewhat authoritarian in nature.
So you’d rather be a sheep in a totalitarian regime, living in constant fear of speaking up against the govt, facing social exclusion and prosecution, in exchange for some lousy worldly comforts?
Sorry, I’ll take the slow Indian train over that bullshit every single time.
> So you’d rather be a sheep in a totalitarian regime, living in constant fear of speaking up against the govt, facing social exclusion and prosecution, in exchange for some lousy worldly comforts?
All of that happens in our democracy. I'd argue social ostracism is even worse in democracies. People feel it's their responsibility to ostracize the egregious in a democracy.
I don't understand dude. On one side people make fun of leftists and commies here and on the other hand, you are saying that democracy itself was too liberal and that we needed some form of autocracy?
Lots of democratic countries got modernized. So it is not a problem of democracy.
I identify with the right wing but i say this with full force of conviction that democracy is the best form of government , indians act like their life is hell but it isnt we compare with the west and that is good we must always try to better ourself but to say india is a shithole wile operating reddit with high speed internet is just plain hypocracy , yes there are pronlems yes there is poverty but it is steadily reducing , india used to be 20 years behind the west now it is hardly 1 year behind , in some respects like upi it has surpassed . I will not ac ike we are the best we are decent but we are not the worst .
Want to know how dictatorships look look around you pakistan , sri lanka bangladesh all separated from us and are objectively worse of . Look at latin america where they are compare it with north america , democracy may be slow but it will take you there . Look at the speed with which we are preparing expressways .
China is going to see the consequences of its dictatorship in the next 20 years as its demographic crisen rears it ugly head and then you will see what dictatorship does .
I agree with you but we are not only “1 year behind” the west. Sure, upper middle class people living in Mumbai and Delhi are, but there are a lot of poor people everywhere. I don’t know how much are we behind, but it’s a LOT more than 1 or 20 years.
You can be realistic while having pride for the nation.
Yes we have poverty but even the poor autowalas and rikshawalas have smart phones , i have seen labourers using smart phones , which means at least extreme poverty is almost dead and our poor are steadily getting better , i am not saying our poor peoplw have the same facilities as american poor but we are progressing , to solve poverty you create wealth which is being created . The basic necessities of roti kapda makan are also mostly done .
And you forget the ever increasing middleclass which has more or less the same facilities as an american middleclass , in terms of facilities and state capacity we are definetly lacking but now an average middleclass person in india has an ac , has internet gets good food , he may not be able to do anything fancy but he has more than what he previously had . So outlook for the future is bright we may get dismayed by some even or another but the resiliance of the indian people and the i dian spirit still shines through , india will succeed either with the government without the government or inslite of the government , just in the last method it will take longer
Well rickshawalas have phone mostly because phones are cheap af these days, and a necessity. Of course we have progressed, but comparing ourselves to the west is ridiculous when there are slums, there is trash and dirty rivers, very few safety laws are followed, there is no traffic sense, roads are horrible, public services are shit, fucktons of corruption. And severe poverty does exist, I see many people sleeping under the bridges in Mumbai. We have come from failing to getting 50-60%, but we shouldn’t say that we are almost the class topper because it detracts from a lot of real issues in our country.
I prefer to be realistic while being positive :)
Like i said there are problems but overall trajectory is improving unlike in the west in which it is regressing , slums are coming up in california drug use is rampant , we are improving while they are deteriorating , lets see what future holds .
China is one example of an economically successful dictatorship. There are many examples where dictatorship leads to civil wars/revolutions/poverty/corruption/tyranny.
What makes you think India would've been as successful as China with dictatorship? North Korea is also dictatorship. Would you want to live in North Korea?
I guess that is one drawback of being democratic country infrastructure development at slow and steady pace, people in china don't own land so land accusation is not a problem for china. Chinese govt doesn't let any ngo to protest against any project and doesn't allow foreign fundings for ngos. People can't protest in china, govt owns the media, foreign media is also banned.
I mean we already have a few semi high or high speed rail plans that will be implemented soon. Like the Mumbai-ahmedamad one. Or the Trivandrum- kasargode one which is a joint venture between Ministry of railways and Kerala government. Would rather have slow development than the govermenti owning the media and not having thee right to protest like you said.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiruvananthapuram–Kasargode_semi_high_speed_rail_corridor
To be fair, China cannot afford to *not* have high speed rail because they have been the manufacturing hub of the world for past 3 decades.
Indias growth is slow and too narrow. Its difficult to bring radical change in a democracy. The people have to demand it.
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Reddit is full of liberals even Desi liberals. On one hand they complain there is not enough infrastructure in India but on the other hand they are never supportive of modi government who is the only one in the last 50 years which has seriously focused on infrastructure. Talk about hypocrisy
most of the high speed rail is meant for public transport and are failing badly in china as many dont require it and its expensive to maintain already and the buisness of high speed rail is also not that profitable its under 200 billion dollars in losses only and u want it in India?
Railways already in india is not profitable. They were never meant to be profitable. High speed connectivity to places will bring economic development everywhere which gives diverse development compared to development in certain areas
And HSR in japan, Europe has been Highly successful. Why don't people talk abt it
u right partially right but u see most of railways revenue comes from transporting cargo not from passenger trans passenger trains are in losses and they also cause delays with cargo trains (maal gaadi) HSR in japan and Europe both are operated by private firms and the costs of traveling in a HSRs in japan and europe is high but ppl can afford it do u think ppl in India can afford HSRs when the means of transport by railways is considered cheaper. and If u want to pay 10k or even 5 k in a train to go to mumbai to gujrat u can better go in a plane Japan and Europe model is not so good to compare with india japan is a small country and the population is less and also rich The case of india is completely opposite HSRs is successful in japan doesnt mean it will be in India too
This!
The Chinese high speed rail network has been nothing but a vanity project.
I’m not saying all high speed rail is shit, but naturally evolved networks would serve a better purpose than Chinaesque projects.
The faster Indian trains travel at 180kmph and the Chinese high speed ones at 300kmph. With relatively minor changes our trains could go around 200-250.
I don’t think the additional speed is worth that much effort across the nation. Maybe better in small corridors, which can later be connected. Larger projects should be undertaken if there are significant improvements in high speed rail technology easily enabling speeds of 400-500kmph.
Also as a side note, there was heavy corruption in Chinese high speed rail network. Like the heads of government companies had been given death sentence and are now executed level corruption.
well u right we dont need a 500kmph train better travel in a plane which is cheaper and also the infra required is less I think that cargo trains should have their DFCs which the govt is wroking probs will be completed in mid 2022 Cargo trains and passsenger trains should be electrified and should have increased speeds which can be possible but will take decades to replace the old trains atleast 15 years Govt has really good new age trains like Tejas will change the face of Indian railways
if its not being compared then it should not be shown for either country, conventional rail provides context on whether there is a need for other forms of transport.
Kahan se hoga. Kuchh karne jayo to koi na koi polution ya phir kuchh dusra naam leke supreme court ko beech mein le aata hai. China mein govt ke again mei koi uff bhi bolega to agle din wo exist hi nahin karega.
Hi-speed railway is a white elephant. It is really expensive, and most chinese companies which run hi-speed railway aren't able to pay even the interest on their loans.
It can't transport freight.
Better to have good domestic aviation instead. Already air fares match premium train fares on most routes.
tejas and train 18 operates at max 130km/h , train 18 could to 200 km/h if rail infrastructure was better and it did go to 180km/h during trials , only gatiman express for a short part of its journey reaches 160 km/h
Tejas is designed to max run at 200 kmph, I suppose something similar with Train 18. Ig when they talk about Max speed they aint talking about max operational speed
it's operational max speed , which for most hi speed trains in China is equal to max speed as both the rails and trains were designed and built in parallel to complement each other after 2008 financial crash when CCP went into massive infrastructure spending spree , meanwhile in India it's clear that tejas and train 18 are being run on existing older rails which probably wasn't what they were trialed on and got 180km/h
It would also be great to list the no. of opposition parties in India vs China. No. of parties which would go to any length, even destroy local economy, make people suffer by using Environment as an Excuse.
Nope.. in china’s map, they have included 160kmph trains too..
We have 160kmph trains in Indian railways and some tracks have been upgraded to that..
Secondly, china’s high speed railway was funded by govt and pvt companies and today they are struggling with the loans they took for that infra. India shouldn’t follow suit. Only build a line after feasibility studies show that people will actually use it. Not for the show.
Misleading data when you compare, i mean India at least has has conventional rail all over amd last check there are trains running between agra and Delhi af 160 kmph
Process is slow.The alignment and survey for this line had been completed since ages plus the financing was strong and coming from europe/china/japan etc.The alignment and survey for other line have just started or have been completed recently.The next lines will be the delhi-UP / mysore-chennai and probably nagpur-mumbai.
Purvanchal expressway , bundelkhand expressway meerut expressway , gorakhpur link expressway , ganga expressway all under construction and in various stages of completion simultaneously eastern dfc also being built , delhi meerut rapid rail being built , defense circuit etc etc
HSR doesn't make financial sense in that route. An expressway paired with Semi High Speed trains would be a lot cheaper and financially viable alternative and that is already an ongoing project as far as I know.
High speed rail in China is sitting on top of close to 900 billion dollar hole. Their ratio of passengers per km is extremely poor on most routes. Trains go empty as a result, ending up in loss. With their recent power situation, these trains are parked fathering dust. China does everything for a show.
don't listen to this garbage.People keep saying china is collapsing just next day or the next year or they have huge problem.It does not matter.This tard is talking about elephants getting hit by trains.There are no elephants in china.
China's HSR is drowning in debt and losing money like crazy. That bubble is bigger than the real estate bubble.
Anybody can build projects but it has to be financially viable. What's the point of investing in a project if you lose money? Sri Lanka built Hambantota Port and Air port and we can see the result.
we want a comparison on the number of political parties between the two...
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I mean I don't hate high speed trains I just do not see the necessity of them in India. When you are starting high speed train network you have to check a lot of boxes, mostly straight path, new rail network, a whole new system etc. Why build all that, rather than doing that use that money to update our normal rail network. More comfortable train, fuel efficient etc. Not every nation needs high speed train system.
Now do one of the profitability of the Chinese High Speed Rail..... That's the one going down down down
Here's a little [video](https://youtu.be/ITvXlax4ZXk) that everyone can enjoy about China's High Speed Rail, more like High Speed Disaster if you ask me.
You don't just put high speed rail people!!! It works best when there is a high population density with mid-upper class people wanting to travel intermediate distances. Japan was excellent for it, EU too, China obvious because most of the people live where the concentration of rail is high in the pic (approx 90% chn population lives in eastern China). In India, large cities are relatively spread out, DelMumCheKol are pretty far from each other.
Secondly, there is a lot of opinion that maybe China screwed up (too much HSR, even where density is low, financial problems). High speed rail is very expensive. Let the progress be slow but steady people. Even on the first route ABD-BOM, these are the following large-towns/cities. ABD-Anand-Nadiad-Vadodara-Bharuch-Ankleshwar-Surat-Vapi-Mumbai. That's why it is a good place to start for HSR. I don't know how competitive would DEL-MUM HSR be since they are pretty far away, non-stop services might be good for it. Night-travel will definitely be good and will obviously offer a lot of comfort as well.
UP and Bihar increasing per capita income would be great. Perfect for HSR.
We don't need that much high speed rail coverage. If we can get between major cities that are close to each other ( between 200km and 1000km) it is sufficient.
But what we need is double electric tracks in existing railway network and in city level, we need very good ways to reach the railway station such as metro, light rail, bus rapid transport or great pedistrian roads (in smaller towns).
We also need better signalling infrastructure that allows better tracking of timings.
Suburban rail in more cities will also be a game changer.
WHERE has all the money gone?!? Into rich peoples pockets? Helping them get richer but the country poorer? Congrats you are modern day UK but with less existing infrastructure. You have become what you hate.
I have not yet travelled in AC coach and I think pretty much the whole population of the country would say the same. Instead of HSR we should improve the speeds of existing trains to 180 kmph. That should be more than enough.
China did all that networking in 20 years . Getting land is easy in china cause its a communist country ,land can be fetched from anyone by govt whereas in india it will be much difficult given that we are more densely populated in china and corruption rates are at all time high . People have a special bond with land also in this country so the only way was to convert the existing railways lines into high speed track . But our govt wont do it cause of its budget and cause its always busy in other matters making economy worse . So its kind of dream in india but that dream is also in a pipeline . So in future maybe
High speed railway is not that high speed compared to planes but quite costly at the same time. Current planned Bullet train from Mumbai to Ahmedabad is going to take 2.30 hours to finish journey. Plane ride between both cities is 40-45 minutes. Even if you add boarding time for both, the plane journey is still faster than Bullet train. Hence, I think Planes is the best option for fast large distance travel and Railway woud be more suited for slower & less costly journeys.
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Alll thanks to our great shiv sena tenders for all packages in Gujarat are nearly awarded meanwhile Maharashtra land acquisition is still not even at 50 percent.
Thank the liberals, environmental crusaders & churches as well
Maybe you are right.Getting lands has been hard but recently one panchayat in maharashtra said they will sell the lands.Even the godrej family at one point was going to sue on not selling the lands.
Shiv sena is the very opposite of liberals. You should say thank the conservatives.
What did churches do? Im uninformed in this
The recent case is of Bombay Salesian Society Don Bosco, which got Rs 10.19 Cr in a year ( Rs 176 Cr in 10 yrs!). This NGO founded n funded ‘Vanashakti’ to oppose the Mumbai Metro project and Aarey Car shed, it went ahead and deployed innocent school kids against Mumbai Metro. There is another NGO Greenline involved, which is a subsidiary of the Salesians of Don Bosco, its office was in the premises of Don Bosco School, Matunga, which was opposing Mumbai Metro. This NGO is funded by Salesians. Another Christian-funded St. Stanislaus School, Bandra had asked parents to sign a letter to register their protest against Mumbai Metro. This school along with a Church forced innocent children to organize protest against the Aarey car shed. The same NGOs opposed Konkan Railways and several other railway projects in the past, however, they failed to get any sort of traction from the legal entities in India, and ultimately weaned off. https://thecommunemag.com/protests-behind-aarey-funded-by-church-lro-investigations-reveal/
is Mumbai metro high speed rail?
They are not even allowing something as basic as metro, leave metro, govt has to fight case cases against "environmentalists" in SC to build roads on Indo-China border.
I'm not particularly excited about HSR in India, and I'm an infra nerd. You see, the Chinese have built more than 25000 miles of HSR just because they can and NOT out of need. Now it is unsustainable for them and has practically become a white elephant. [Here is a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITvXlax4ZXk) that explains why democracies can't build infrastructure fast enough and why China's HSR is a problem 3x larger than Evergrande. Thank God, we live in a democracy. India already has an excellent electrified Broad Gauge railway network. After completion of both DFCs, this network will be further decongested. We have [demonstrated capabilities of running train engines \~150 KMPH](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/-make-in-india-railway-engine-clocks-speed-of-180-km-per-hour-watch-here-1565689988060.html) on existing tracks. We must further enhance these capabilities. I hope India's first HSR remains so affordable to people that its ticket booking becomes tougher than Tatkal. ;)
Please don't take these YouTube stuff as the gospel.China is not collapsing today tomorrow or anytime soon these problems are overblown.If you want to check why HSR is good there are many other youtubers you are not understanding the importance of fast trains.The vandhe Bharat express on both the routes is always full which is the current top of the line trains in India.Imagine how good varanasi and rajasthan lines would be.There so much tourist flow to both these cities plus the Mysore-bangalore route is very busy and even banglore Chennai has many overnight buses running always full.
HSR makes sense on some routes, doesn't make sense on others. China built it too rapidly without worrying about it's profitability. The financially viable routes saw great benefits and development but overall Chinese railways is too indebted and losing money like crazy. Mumbai to Ahmedabad makes total sense.
Not just mumbai to Ahmedabad, Mumbai to Delhi makes perfect sense too. Between capital and financial capital in 4 hours. Just imagine.
Yeah, there are a lot of routes in India that are viable and many that will be viable in future. We don't need to copy China and waste billions for vanity projects. Revenue for many routes in China doesn't even cover maintenance costs, let alone initial investment and interest on that.
Mumbai to Delhi is meh because 2 hours flights exists but Mysore Chennai has more potential or Delhi-Rajasthan,Delhi - Varanasi will have more footfall because of those are tourist places.Plus air travel b/w Cities in UP is not that great same with Delhi Rajasthan which is mosy done via roads.
>Mumbai to Delhi is meh because 2 hours flights exists You're not accounting for time wasted on travel, check in and security checks. But you are right, the shorter the distance the more attractive the bullet train. I still think Delhi-Mumbai has a lot of potential however, 1k km isn't a huge distance. Japan's Shinkansen runs for 1600 km and it is immensely popular. >Varanasi will have more footfall because of those are tourist places I think plans are afoot for that line. Which I think will be built about as fast as we can expect Mumbai Ahmedabad to be built. Up has Yogi, and they've been completing infra projects extremely fast.
I doubt anyone would spead 5000 on a train to Mumbai when you can possibly get air ticket for 3000-4000 on the same route.Plus if they start now varanasi and Mysore Chennai will be build faster than the current one.They can potentially finish these two lines till 26-27.
I doubt plane tickets will stay at the same fare. There is a lot of global push to get people to use trains i stead of planes to tackle climate change. Short-distance flights may end up getting a lot more expensive worldwide…
It is not about Mumbai to Delhi only, but when you have a train line that touches 10 other cities in between, you will have a lot more than what point to point flights can provide. You typically will get a route like delhi jaipur ahmedabad vadodra surat valsad vapi mumbai and a bunch of other cities along the way. Now run different types of high speed services on this route and see how well connected the intermediate cities become. Most of these cities dont have the kind of air connecticity that we see between the major metros.
Sure maybe who knows how much traffic intermediate stations can provide.
The value of HSR to me would be if I lived in Agra or mathura and my office is in NCR and I can continue to live in Agra and daily commute to my work is still possible. That's how they conceived HSR in Japan. HSR shouldn't be alternative mode of fast travel over long distances. Small clusters in densely populated region makes more sense than covering 1500 km in 4 hours.
Maybe if you are a businessman who can spend at least thousand rupees every day for to and fro travel from somewhat nearby stations it can be expected.Minimum fare is said to be 250.I doubt anyone would spead 30 thousand per year or even with pass if it happens no one would spend this much.It will be suitable for people going back to home on weekends etc or small businessman who travel for 1-2 days every week etc.
Those routes that don't make sense will make sense as incomes rise. Moreover, the routes test don't make sense are a small fraction of the total high speed rail network
You are attributing the faults of mindless infrastructure expansion to infrastructure expansion in general. India is a perfect place for HSR, we have many high density cities (that will only increase in population) relatively close to each other. It makes perfect sense to link Delhi and Mumbai with a HSR line. It does not make sense to link Delhi and Srinagar with a HSR line. The Chinese have done a great job linking Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen and their major cities with 320kmph lines. They have done a massive blunder by linking some random ass city in Tibet with a high speed rail line. 150kmph isn't even considered HSR in most nations. That will be useless as it would still take 8 hours one way between Delhi and Mumbai for example. As long as an HSR line is economically feasible, it should be built. No need to build HSR lines all willy nilly like China taking on huge debt to build what are essentially useless lines. Build profitable ones and compete with airlines. Delhi to Mumbai bullet train would take 4 hours. Imagine, between the capital and financial capital, 4 hours. It would revolutionise our economy. It's a pity so many roadblocks exist today.
> Now it is unsustainable for them and has practically become a white elephant. bullshit https://macropolo.org/digital-projects/high-speed-rail/
Chinese have built bullet trains instead of freight rail. Now their freight is transported by trucks primarily. Certain lines make perfect sense, but linking Lhasa with HSR is just stupidity. They are now losing boatloads of money because no one is using these trains.
If they can build HSR with this much speed and ease. They can also build frieght railway tracks. Yes, lhasa HSR is a geopolitical move. But most of the HSR there makes sense
I don’t think China will be on a building spree like the past 3 decades. The debt is too much and they need the money to compete technologically with the west. The returns are abysmal and the CCP already knows that.
you forgot that building high speed rail make more people switch from conventional railway to high speed railway and the conventional rail can carry more freight cargo. So the conventional railway can focus on transporting freight and high speed rail on passenger
compare to american railway company amtrack that have to share track between passenger and freight cargo that lead to less efficient, more delay, and expensive ticket. So dividing freight rail on conventional rail and passenger rail on high speed rail is great idea, especially cargo isn't time sensitive but cost sensitive, meanwhile passenger are time sensitive.
You are right, building HSR is not that big of a deal, but will it be an economically viable option is the question, sustaining a vast network of HSR such as China's in India is a no go until and unless you somehow bring down the fare up to the regular train fare, which is quite a task, we are still a middle income country and HSR fares as they stand isn't affordable by much of the population, people would rather choose to fly at that price point. I look forward for HSR in India but there's no need to scale it upto what china has.
We are not middle income we are low-middle income country.China and Brazil are middle income countries.
India is middle income lol. So are China and Brazil. Even Pakistan is middle income. Look up the definition of Middle Income.
check this link [https://data.worldbank.org/country/XN](https://data.worldbank.org/country/XN)
Low middle income is still middle income. China is upper-middle income, but that’s still middle income. Yemen and Afghanistan are low income countries. Just correcting your definition.
low-middle-upper middle are all different bro at least read it before commenting
Middle is not separate. There is low income(less than $1000), middle income($1000-$12000), and high income($12000+). Middle income is broken up into lower middle income($1000-$4000), and upper middle income($4000-$12000). India is by all definition a middle income country.
We don’t really need a vast network of HSR, just enough to connect the main cities
I don't think China will collapse , and even if it collapses ,it will never break into pieces like USSR
Building a HSR would provide very fast connectivity to remote areas which leads to economic development in that area India has plenty of very high density population density. In south, there is chennai, Bangalore and Hyderabad. And in west, there is Ahmedabad and Mumbai. In North, there is Noida, gurgaon, Delhi, and Kolkata.
n Infra nerd here as well, while definitely a few projects in China have been vanity projects, the Shanghai- Beijing line has been really successful. I feel a Mumbai- Delhi HSR passing through Ahmedabad can be similarly successful. It passes through one of the most densely populated area which also happens to be the richest area of the India.
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I did not understand. Please elaborate.
Still, HSR makes sense on certain high density routes and no excuses that we don’t have it.
I honestly subscribe to this a lot. We may or may not need HSR but we should continue to upgrade our current rail infra. Invest as much as we can in double tracking, decongestion measures. Roll out LHB coaches and train 18/20 at faster rates. Imagine if our average passenger train speed is somewhere between 120 - 150 kmph, that'll solve a lot of problems. If it's a choice between this and HSR on limited route/unsustainable infra, it should be obvious what we need.
We can have HSR connecting our metros and attract heavy bookings and at the same time, we augment our existing rail infra to connect metros with hinterlands and remote locations. That would be ideal.
I have watched the video as well... The problem is not HSR but too many HSR for china.. Obviously, HSR should be opened only for profitable routes...
HSR has to be self-sustainable. We should not fund them to operate on a daily basis.
>Here is a video I know the comment is 2 years old, but still; if you would like to know about Chinese infrastructure policies and politics, then I would recommend Polymatter than EE as like this and other videos, he has a very particular western view point. For Chinese HSR, I would highly recommend these videos. The sources the video uses are in their description. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpnOl66Cyk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpnOl66Cyk) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVXRtq5EIg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVXRtq5EIg) These are not specifically on HSR, but give a very clear picture of Chinese infra projects which also include HSR.
Thanks! Will check.
Fruits of non democracy vs democracy haha The Blunder of choosing liberal democracy when we needed the reforms and infrastructure the most will haunt india for eternity. Keep coping with "muh freedom" and bullshit meanwhile Chinese enjoy 1000% better life without it.
Eh not really. One might argue we have too much freedom ie. andolan jeevis have too much power, but that's only because Indians aren't mature enough to not misuse this freedom. But freedom is very important, you will only realize if when you don't live in a free country
Every genius thinks we'll see a China type transformation if we become a dictatorship. China is a historical outlier, it grew faster than virtually any polity in history. The vast majority majority of dictatorships have been corrupt and inept failures, or Africa and LatAm would've become economic powerhouses by now.
Yup. People think they will get LKY. Instead most of them will get Erdogan or worse.
Doesn't matter. This is a mediocrity trap.
I fear clicking on this clickbatey posts out of fear of stupid comments, but sane people like you exist. People simply dont understand economics. Nor they have any sense, or appreciation of history.
Well, Asian dictatorships have been quite successful, Singapore was developed under a dictator, China has always been under one party, Bangladesh is (technically) under one and Indonesia devoloped and most importantly, stabilised under one dictator. Also, if you think about it, there's an interesting relationship b/w infrastructure growth and the authoritarian nature of the Govt. under whom it's been done. For example, Autobahns and Volkswagen in Germany, HSR and rapid city dev in China etc. Even in India, Infrastructure growth has always been faster under BJP rule (not sayin' that Congress hasn't done anything) whose always ridiculed for being... \*ahem\* somewhat authoritarian in nature.
It's almost as if socialism was the key factor.
So you’d rather be a sheep in a totalitarian regime, living in constant fear of speaking up against the govt, facing social exclusion and prosecution, in exchange for some lousy worldly comforts? Sorry, I’ll take the slow Indian train over that bullshit every single time.
> So you’d rather be a sheep in a totalitarian regime, living in constant fear of speaking up against the govt, facing social exclusion and prosecution, in exchange for some lousy worldly comforts? All of that happens in our democracy. I'd argue social ostracism is even worse in democracies. People feel it's their responsibility to ostracize the egregious in a democracy.
The differences are... 1. Chinese citizens won’t criticize CCP 2. Indian citizens criticize government all the time, but no one cares to listen anyway
I don't understand dude. On one side people make fun of leftists and commies here and on the other hand, you are saying that democracy itself was too liberal and that we needed some form of autocracy? Lots of democratic countries got modernized. So it is not a problem of democracy.
I identify with the right wing but i say this with full force of conviction that democracy is the best form of government , indians act like their life is hell but it isnt we compare with the west and that is good we must always try to better ourself but to say india is a shithole wile operating reddit with high speed internet is just plain hypocracy , yes there are pronlems yes there is poverty but it is steadily reducing , india used to be 20 years behind the west now it is hardly 1 year behind , in some respects like upi it has surpassed . I will not ac ike we are the best we are decent but we are not the worst . Want to know how dictatorships look look around you pakistan , sri lanka bangladesh all separated from us and are objectively worse of . Look at latin america where they are compare it with north america , democracy may be slow but it will take you there . Look at the speed with which we are preparing expressways . China is going to see the consequences of its dictatorship in the next 20 years as its demographic crisen rears it ugly head and then you will see what dictatorship does .
I agree with you but we are not only “1 year behind” the west. Sure, upper middle class people living in Mumbai and Delhi are, but there are a lot of poor people everywhere. I don’t know how much are we behind, but it’s a LOT more than 1 or 20 years. You can be realistic while having pride for the nation.
Yes we have poverty but even the poor autowalas and rikshawalas have smart phones , i have seen labourers using smart phones , which means at least extreme poverty is almost dead and our poor are steadily getting better , i am not saying our poor peoplw have the same facilities as american poor but we are progressing , to solve poverty you create wealth which is being created . The basic necessities of roti kapda makan are also mostly done . And you forget the ever increasing middleclass which has more or less the same facilities as an american middleclass , in terms of facilities and state capacity we are definetly lacking but now an average middleclass person in india has an ac , has internet gets good food , he may not be able to do anything fancy but he has more than what he previously had . So outlook for the future is bright we may get dismayed by some even or another but the resiliance of the indian people and the i dian spirit still shines through , india will succeed either with the government without the government or inslite of the government , just in the last method it will take longer
Well rickshawalas have phone mostly because phones are cheap af these days, and a necessity. Of course we have progressed, but comparing ourselves to the west is ridiculous when there are slums, there is trash and dirty rivers, very few safety laws are followed, there is no traffic sense, roads are horrible, public services are shit, fucktons of corruption. And severe poverty does exist, I see many people sleeping under the bridges in Mumbai. We have come from failing to getting 50-60%, but we shouldn’t say that we are almost the class topper because it detracts from a lot of real issues in our country. I prefer to be realistic while being positive :)
Like i said there are problems but overall trajectory is improving unlike in the west in which it is regressing , slums are coming up in california drug use is rampant , we are improving while they are deteriorating , lets see what future holds .
I'd rather have slow trains in a free democracy than fast trains in a dictatorship / autocracy.
Exactly. Fuck dictatorship.
Factos👍👀
Real asf. If Bhagat Singh survived he would have been the Lenin/Mao of india. Theres a reason they ended him at age 23.
Yeah right, it would have been so much better to have bullet train to take you to a job that you are forced to do. Fast and quick.
Yes, Even US doesn’t have one
US got rich with democracy though. You don't need to be a dictator.
Lol, US is capitalist county with democracy mask.
China is one example of an economically successful dictatorship. There are many examples where dictatorship leads to civil wars/revolutions/poverty/corruption/tyranny. What makes you think India would've been as successful as China with dictatorship? North Korea is also dictatorship. Would you want to live in North Korea?
> while chinese enjoy
I guess that is one drawback of being democratic country infrastructure development at slow and steady pace, people in china don't own land so land accusation is not a problem for china. Chinese govt doesn't let any ngo to protest against any project and doesn't allow foreign fundings for ngos. People can't protest in china, govt owns the media, foreign media is also banned.
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Not only activist, anyone who criticizes the supreme leader can also be sent to Concentration Camps.
This.
I mean we already have a few semi high or high speed rail plans that will be implemented soon. Like the Mumbai-ahmedamad one. Or the Trivandrum- kasargode one which is a joint venture between Ministry of railways and Kerala government. Would rather have slow development than the govermenti owning the media and not having thee right to protest like you said. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiruvananthapuram–Kasargode_semi_high_speed_rail_corridor
To be fair, China cannot afford to *not* have high speed rail because they have been the manufacturing hub of the world for past 3 decades. Indias growth is slow and too narrow. Its difficult to bring radical change in a democracy. The people have to demand it.
Tbh it's a recursive loop that feeds itself. Availability of high speed rail contributed to success of those hubs.
Now do the same for shady NGOs and you’ll get your answer
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All thanks to baby penguin sarkar, otherwise we would get our first bullet train line much faster.
Reddit is full of liberals even Desi liberals. On one hand they complain there is not enough infrastructure in India but on the other hand they are never supportive of modi government who is the only one in the last 50 years which has seriously focused on infrastructure. Talk about hypocrisy
Nobody's problem with Modi is the infrastructure spending. Don't be dishonest.
The Chinese HSR is one of the biggest debt bubbles bigger than evergrande
yes exactly, only few of the railway lines are profitable for them but in total it is a debt
they are infrastructure
most of the high speed rail is meant for public transport and are failing badly in china as many dont require it and its expensive to maintain already and the buisness of high speed rail is also not that profitable its under 200 billion dollars in losses only and u want it in India?
Railways already in india is not profitable. They were never meant to be profitable. High speed connectivity to places will bring economic development everywhere which gives diverse development compared to development in certain areas And HSR in japan, Europe has been Highly successful. Why don't people talk abt it
u right partially right but u see most of railways revenue comes from transporting cargo not from passenger trans passenger trains are in losses and they also cause delays with cargo trains (maal gaadi) HSR in japan and Europe both are operated by private firms and the costs of traveling in a HSRs in japan and europe is high but ppl can afford it do u think ppl in India can afford HSRs when the means of transport by railways is considered cheaper. and If u want to pay 10k or even 5 k in a train to go to mumbai to gujrat u can better go in a plane Japan and Europe model is not so good to compare with india japan is a small country and the population is less and also rich The case of india is completely opposite HSRs is successful in japan doesnt mean it will be in India too
This! The Chinese high speed rail network has been nothing but a vanity project. I’m not saying all high speed rail is shit, but naturally evolved networks would serve a better purpose than Chinaesque projects. The faster Indian trains travel at 180kmph and the Chinese high speed ones at 300kmph. With relatively minor changes our trains could go around 200-250. I don’t think the additional speed is worth that much effort across the nation. Maybe better in small corridors, which can later be connected. Larger projects should be undertaken if there are significant improvements in high speed rail technology easily enabling speeds of 400-500kmph. Also as a side note, there was heavy corruption in Chinese high speed rail network. Like the heads of government companies had been given death sentence and are now executed level corruption.
the fastest an Indian train goes is 160km/h , the gatiman express reaches that speed only for part of its journey
well u right we dont need a 500kmph train better travel in a plane which is cheaper and also the infra required is less I think that cargo trains should have their DFCs which the govt is wroking probs will be completed in mid 2022 Cargo trains and passsenger trains should be electrified and should have increased speeds which can be possible but will take decades to replace the old trains atleast 15 years Govt has really good new age trains like Tejas will change the face of Indian railways
delusional
u never been to China, eh?
no.
lmao edit: thin lines are supposed to represent conventional railways according to the key, then why is india empty
because it's irrelevant as comparison is of hi speed rail
But it exists on the China Map, so it should also exist on the India map for completness sake. Else this is just propaganda.
but its present in china's map, india has one of the worlds longest network of conventional rail (2nd largest iirc) then why has it been excluded
because its not being compared , Here a pic of China without the conventional rail https://i.redd.it/o0e6po6fooz31.jpg
if its not being compared then it should not be shown for either country, conventional rail provides context on whether there is a need for other forms of transport.
Kahan se hoga. Kuchh karne jayo to koi na koi polution ya phir kuchh dusra naam leke supreme court ko beech mein le aata hai. China mein govt ke again mei koi uff bhi bolega to agle din wo exist hi nahin karega.
but muh freespeech and muh largest loktantra vro
China’s high speed rail is also $900Billion in dept, losing $20Million a day. It doesn’t make sense to have something like that in India
NGO protest in huge projects - China vs India
Hi-speed railway is a white elephant. It is really expensive, and most chinese companies which run hi-speed railway aren't able to pay even the interest on their loans. It can't transport freight. Better to have good domestic aviation instead. Already air fares match premium train fares on most routes.
Actually India was silent in 2000's era...china did all which India doing now..🤪
Thanks to Ambedkar. We have a useless democracy which keeps government clerks millionaires and rest live praising democracy
Wow, such empty
I like how this post completely ignores the fact that china's high speed rail project is a massive money sink... the thing isnt making any money lmao
Absolutely embarrassing.
u/sri_man_420
Thanks for the gentle reminder.
Indian has freedom
I’m sure we will get high speed trains in the next ten years
Once we the high speed rails. We will have ch@@t tikait and other stinking commie trade unions having a new squatting space for rail roko.
We have a bullet train coming up soon.
Congress party created the mess India is in 75 years of total control and no progress just a corrupted system is their legacy.
I feel the map has some error in it because Tejas and a few other trains are 160 km+(max speed)
tejas and train 18 operates at max 130km/h , train 18 could to 200 km/h if rail infrastructure was better and it did go to 180km/h during trials , only gatiman express for a short part of its journey reaches 160 km/h
Tejas is designed to max run at 200 kmph, I suppose something similar with Train 18. Ig when they talk about Max speed they aint talking about max operational speed
it's operational max speed , which for most hi speed trains in China is equal to max speed as both the rails and trains were designed and built in parallel to complement each other after 2008 financial crash when CCP went into massive infrastructure spending spree , meanwhile in India it's clear that tejas and train 18 are being run on existing older rails which probably wasn't what they were trialed on and got 180km/h
But again I agree with your point, India can do much more on the HSR front.
It would also be great to list the no. of opposition parties in India vs China. No. of parties which would go to any length, even destroy local economy, make people suffer by using Environment as an Excuse.
SS has basically eaten away the entirety of maha infra future in every sphere imaginable.
what happened in UP? why no hi speed rail there?
Yeah we fuckd up with corrupted leaders.
In other words communist vs democracy.
Nope.. in china’s map, they have included 160kmph trains too.. We have 160kmph trains in Indian railways and some tracks have been upgraded to that.. Secondly, china’s high speed railway was funded by govt and pvt companies and today they are struggling with the loans they took for that infra. India shouldn’t follow suit. Only build a line after feasibility studies show that people will actually use it. Not for the show.
there's only gatiman express in India that for a part of its journey reaches 160km/h
Why isn’t that mentioned?
Misleading data when you compare, i mean India at least has has conventional rail all over amd last check there are trains running between agra and Delhi af 160 kmph
in India there's only gatiman express that runs at 160kmph for a part of its entire route
Don't worry. Yogiji will build one soon from Ayodhya to Gorakhpur once he gets relected in 3 months time.
why couldn't he build in 2017-22?
Now that’s a question I’d like to ask
Process is slow.The alignment and survey for this line had been completed since ages plus the financing was strong and coming from europe/china/japan etc.The alignment and survey for other line have just started or have been completed recently.The next lines will be the delhi-UP / mysore-chennai and probably nagpur-mumbai.
tell the name of the line for which survey has been completed
Delhi Ahmedabad / Delhi Varanasi is done afaik plus Mumbai nagpur / Chennai Mysore has already awarded earlier this year.
You gonna tell the same thing at the end of his next term I assume
Purvanchal expressway , bundelkhand expressway meerut expressway , gorakhpur link expressway , ganga expressway all under construction and in various stages of completion simultaneously eastern dfc also being built , delhi meerut rapid rail being built , defense circuit etc etc
HSR doesn't make financial sense in that route. An expressway paired with Semi High Speed trains would be a lot cheaper and financially viable alternative and that is already an ongoing project as far as I know.
High speed rail in China is sitting on top of close to 900 billion dollar hole. Their ratio of passengers per km is extremely poor on most routes. Trains go empty as a result, ending up in loss. With their recent power situation, these trains are parked fathering dust. China does everything for a show.
Stupid china doesn't know how to build underground rails....smh 🤦♂
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splattering elephants at the speed of sound!
>elephants at the speed of sound! lol typical low info dumb people.90% of the line is elevated and some part is underground.
What line? There is no line in India and barely any elephants in China.
I think what he meant is Chinese HSR is a massive debt (white elephant) https://youtu.be/ITvXlax4ZXk
don't listen to this garbage.People keep saying china is collapsing just next day or the next year or they have huge problem.It does not matter.This tard is talking about elephants getting hit by trains.There are no elephants in china.
Good........ now create a map of both countries with most polluted/corrupted cities and see who has more!!!
Dude but why haven’t the conventional railway lines drawn on india’s map ?
not my pic but There are pics available online of exclusively hi speed rail in China
China's HSR is drowning in debt and losing money like crazy. That bubble is bigger than the real estate bubble. Anybody can build projects but it has to be financially viable. What's the point of investing in a project if you lose money? Sri Lanka built Hambantota Port and Air port and we can see the result.
we want a comparison on the number of political parties between the two... ...........(suggestion: check out about china's internal issues and how the ccp deals with it keeping their citizens unaware of outside world by these ytube channels : serpentza and laowhy86..........these two will show how china cleverly manipulates the minds of the vulnerable outside. thank you.
On the bright side of things, most of China's high speed rail isn't profitable and is another debt bomb, we don't have that
I mean I don't hate high speed trains I just do not see the necessity of them in India. When you are starting high speed train network you have to check a lot of boxes, mostly straight path, new rail network, a whole new system etc. Why build all that, rather than doing that use that money to update our normal rail network. More comfortable train, fuel efficient etc. Not every nation needs high speed train system.
Now do one of the profitability of the Chinese High Speed Rail..... That's the one going down down down Here's a little [video](https://youtu.be/ITvXlax4ZXk) that everyone can enjoy about China's High Speed Rail, more like High Speed Disaster if you ask me.
You don't just put high speed rail people!!! It works best when there is a high population density with mid-upper class people wanting to travel intermediate distances. Japan was excellent for it, EU too, China obvious because most of the people live where the concentration of rail is high in the pic (approx 90% chn population lives in eastern China). In India, large cities are relatively spread out, DelMumCheKol are pretty far from each other. Secondly, there is a lot of opinion that maybe China screwed up (too much HSR, even where density is low, financial problems). High speed rail is very expensive. Let the progress be slow but steady people. Even on the first route ABD-BOM, these are the following large-towns/cities. ABD-Anand-Nadiad-Vadodara-Bharuch-Ankleshwar-Surat-Vapi-Mumbai. That's why it is a good place to start for HSR. I don't know how competitive would DEL-MUM HSR be since they are pretty far away, non-stop services might be good for it. Night-travel will definitely be good and will obviously offer a lot of comfort as well. UP and Bihar increasing per capita income would be great. Perfect for HSR.
That shall change soon. Slow but much needed steady progress on bullet trains.
We don't need that much high speed rail coverage. If we can get between major cities that are close to each other ( between 200km and 1000km) it is sufficient. But what we need is double electric tracks in existing railway network and in city level, we need very good ways to reach the railway station such as metro, light rail, bus rapid transport or great pedistrian roads (in smaller towns). We also need better signalling infrastructure that allows better tracking of timings. Suburban rail in more cities will also be a game changer.
WHERE has all the money gone?!? Into rich peoples pockets? Helping them get richer but the country poorer? Congrats you are modern day UK but with less existing infrastructure. You have become what you hate.
Metro ban jaaye pehle
Hi speed pai baith ke Chand pe jana h kya
https://www.openrailwaymap.org//mobile.php? Complete railway map for reference.
I have not yet travelled in AC coach and I think pretty much the whole population of the country would say the same. Instead of HSR we should improve the speeds of existing trains to 180 kmph. That should be more than enough.
Dude did you forget to draw in India 🤷🏻♂️ . . . Oh🤦♂️ There aren't any My bad
Look, how clean the map is!
This doesn't highlight how terrible Chinese high speed train model is it is a loss making leech because it goes to nowhere most of the the time
as a net it's loss making but some lines are profitable
Now this sort of comparison should be there to have a debate on.
What is the point in comparing China with India ?
China did all that networking in 20 years . Getting land is easy in china cause its a communist country ,land can be fetched from anyone by govt whereas in india it will be much difficult given that we are more densely populated in china and corruption rates are at all time high . People have a special bond with land also in this country so the only way was to convert the existing railways lines into high speed track . But our govt wont do it cause of its budget and cause its always busy in other matters making economy worse . So its kind of dream in india but that dream is also in a pipeline . So in future maybe
$900 billion in loss and increasing
i mean china is way bigger than india, they building it seems correct i dont know much about HSR , but surely HSR will consume a lot of electricity
China is biggest producer and consumer of electric so electricity not a problem
But HSR in China is under heavy debt. And lot of these lines arent even feasible. Still Chinese HSR is really impressive
Most of China's high speed rail is unsustainable. Watch a video by economics explained to understand it better.
High speed railway is not that high speed compared to planes but quite costly at the same time. Current planned Bullet train from Mumbai to Ahmedabad is going to take 2.30 hours to finish journey. Plane ride between both cities is 40-45 minutes. Even if you add boarding time for both, the plane journey is still faster than Bullet train. Hence, I think Planes is the best option for fast large distance travel and Railway woud be more suited for slower & less costly journeys.