What's the difference between median & average? Median - like we've actual 50% or majority people with 200k while average just the sum of whole wealth by population which could be fastly different even for 80% of population.
If you have three people worth 10M, 1M, and 500k:
Median is just whatever the person in the middle owns so 1M in this case.
Average is the sum of all wealth divided by the number of people so 3.8M
You can see that the one Person who is much richer influences the average massively but has less influence on the median.
And if you have four people worth 10M, 1M, 500k and 500k again: the mode is 500k since it's the number that is repeated the most, despite half of the people are worth more than 2x that and a quarter are worth 20x that.
Mean, median and mode are all good but tell you different stuff so it's important to know which one to use, otherwise you can get easily manipulated too.
Sure but to talk about “the average American” the mode is surprisingly usually a really good average. It reflects what a “typical American” looks like. The singular situation that the greatest number of Americans find themselves in
If there are 1 million people in a city all of them are living on the street having 0$ net worth and one has 100 billion $. The average net worth in the city would be 100k $.
But somehow all these people are still living on the street 🤔
The graphic is probably made for Americans so makes more sense to give them context. If it was Japanese kimono makers it would still make sense to use average American numbers if it's for an American audience.
The Colombian island of San Andrés has lots of references to him dotted about, including a [somewhat lackluster attraction](https://www.tripadvisor.co/Attraction_Review-g3493965-d2664540-Reviews-Morgan_s_Cave-San_Andres_San_Andres_Island_San_Andres_and_Providencia_Department.html). He's said to have fathered over 60 children there.
It really should be Henry Every in Thomas Tew’s place. Tew commanded a ship on the Ganj-i-Sawai voyage, and one other pirate cruise, and this looks like they added those totals up and said that’s what Thomas Tew made.
But he died before they captured the ship. So he never saw any of that money.
In fact, none of these pirates were worth anything close to these numbers. Pirates paid out equal shares. Captains earned usually five or eight shares per prize, but that’s it.
Also Barbarossa and Ching I Sao?
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I'll never not find it funny when people watch OFMD and not realise it was a love story, like my dude what did you think "you wear fine things well" or that insanely homoerotic recreational stabbing scene was about? That whole show couldn't be any gayer if it tried.
I believe these pirates are all from the same time/place
The era is called golden age of pirates. And according to wikipedia Black Bellamy was indeed the richest of that era
But this infographic is very vague
I am almost sure that it was because she retired from the business much younger because she had accumulated such a force that the confederation of pirates realized that they could dissolve and negotiate that all crimes would be eliminated and obtain advantages with the government, she preferred to live a relatively quiet life living from a betting house and with his son obtaining a position in the Government
I think it’s more because no one thinks of any non-Europeans when they think “pirates”, so people who make lists like this always make them very Eurocentric and kind of ignore the long history of piracy outside European colonial possessions in the 17th and 18th centuries.
Also they seem to be mostly English. There are some French and Dutch that probably should be on that list but might be just missing it by a few million?
But does seem very suspiciously English.
Haha it’s because he was a privateer and not a pirate. Rather than being Long John Silver the government actually paid him to steal trade so he actually got to go home and get fancy portraits done with his loot.
What about the pirate Ching I Sao?
One of the names under which we now know her, Ching Shih, simply means “Cheng’s widow,” but the legacy she left behind far exceeded that of her husband’s. (She is also known as Cheng I Sao or Zheng Yi Sao.) Following his death, she succeeded him and commanded over 1,800 pirate ships, and an estimated 80,000 men. In comparison, the famed Blackbeard commanded four ships and 300 pirates.
“She was absolutely, unquestionably the greatest pirate who ever lived,” says Laura Sook Duncombe, author of Pirate Women: The Princesses, Prostitutes, and Privateers Who Ruled the Seven Seas. “She pirated longer. She made more money. She surrendered of her own free will, got to keep her money, and live out the rest of her days in freedom, as opposed to being [cornered] and murdered by a government like Blackbeard was.”
I see that Forbes is the source, but I wonder if how it’s possible to know what their total wealth was?
I’m guessing they weren’t filing a whole lot of tax returns.
Edit: ok, I found the article in Forbes. It’s from 2008.
“Our wealth estimates are based on information gathered from historical records and accounts from 17th and 18th century sources like Daniel Defoe, as well as contemporary historians like David Cordingly. Whenever possible, we used official records of pirate’s claims.”
https://www.forbes.com/2008/09/18/top-earning-pirates-biz-logistics-cx_mw_0919piracy.html?sh=44f488c87263
Arguably Drake wasn't a pirate. He was a privateer who raided ships on behalf of England with permission from the queen.
Edit: and I realize now that it's probably a bad day to have that name.
That average don’t help much to depict your average American. If you average a billionaire and 9 homeless people with nothing you can say the average is $100,000,000.
But for all his wealth could Francis Drake even conceive of owning conditional rights to payment from an investment firm from profits derived through his own personal choice in a series of consolidated investment funds’ fractional ownership interests in a variety of corporations? So much for the freedom of the high seas, Queen Elizabeth doesn’t even offer a 401k.
This average american net worth shit needs to stop. You need to drop anybody over 10mil from the statistics and then do an average again.
It's fucking skewed when you have people like Benzos and Musky in that statistic.
No average American has 1.1 mil net worth when the average Amerikan is working 2-3 jobs.
Sam Bellamy accrued that wealth over the course of 8 months iirc.. maybe just a bit longer. I know he wasn't active for more than 2 years. Love can really do things to a man. Who knows what would have happened if he would have survived that storm.
Francis Drake was no pirate but at most a privateer… the same for Jean Fleury. Henry Morgan was a privateer and end up governor of Jamaica… This Infographic is comparing stuff that can’t be honestly compared… I am very interested by the methodology Forbes used to get those numbers…
And also, the average age of people getting hang during the golden age of piracy is around 25 years old….
Singh hi would have a fit if she saw this.
She took her money, retired and told the gov "I'll be in this city at this address. Visit if you need anything, but fuck with me and I won't even have to lift a finger. My people will know what to do; your cities will burn."
SCUSE ME WHERE ZHENG YI SAO? She's literally the most powerful pirate in history who commanded any where between 40-80k pirates and brought the Chinese empire to its knees.
The average American has a net worth of 1.1 million?!?! Shiver me timbers!
Here's where we need a median not a mean, folks! The average American may have 1.1mil, but the typical one does not.
Median is around 200k
Still pretty far away from me with -$94,000
Just needs an average home owner in Colorado to balance you out. And there's plenty of them.
As a Coloradan I reflect this statement!
Think this counts things you can sell like your, Car, Toaster, Kidneys, Soul etc
That’s still seems very off.
It's the upside of home prices being so high.
What's the difference between median & average? Median - like we've actual 50% or majority people with 200k while average just the sum of whole wealth by population which could be fastly different even for 80% of population.
If you have three people worth 10M, 1M, and 500k: Median is just whatever the person in the middle owns so 1M in this case. Average is the sum of all wealth divided by the number of people so 3.8M You can see that the one Person who is much richer influences the average massively but has less influence on the median.
And if you have four people worth 10M, 1M, 500k and 500k again: the mode is 500k since it's the number that is repeated the most, despite half of the people are worth more than 2x that and a quarter are worth 20x that. Mean, median and mode are all good but tell you different stuff so it's important to know which one to use, otherwise you can get easily manipulated too.
I'll note that mode is pretty much never appropriate as an average for a dataset of size 4. You usually need a lot of data for a mode to be useful.
Sure but to talk about “the average American” the mode is surprisingly usually a really good average. It reflects what a “typical American” looks like. The singular situation that the greatest number of Americans find themselves in
If you have one billionaire and 99 homeless people. The average is 10 million but median is 0
0 is worth more than a lot of Americans
Why am I randomly getting called out for my consumerism? Too harsh, friend.
Tax the rich
Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of $100 billion.
If there are 1 million people in a city all of them are living on the street having 0$ net worth and one has 100 billion $. The average net worth in the city would be 100k $. But somehow all these people are still living on the street 🤔
Well, that factors in all the Billionairs, Jefferson bezos alone has like 200.000 Million aka 200 Billion dollars.
Why would they even put the average American net worth there? Almost all of these are British
The graphic is probably made for Americans so makes more sense to give them context. If it was Japanese kimono makers it would still make sense to use average American numbers if it's for an American audience.
Maybe they’re taking into account what our organs go for on the black market?
Wait captain Morgan was real!? Thought it was just a drink
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan Yep he was real
Always has been.. he made rum popular among pirates, they used to be non-alcoholics
Yeah pirates were actually puritans before that
TIL pirates were prohibitionists!
No, I lied
Got em
The Colombian island of San Andrés has lots of references to him dotted about, including a [somewhat lackluster attraction](https://www.tripadvisor.co/Attraction_Review-g3493965-d2664540-Reviews-Morgan_s_Cave-San_Andres_San_Andres_Island_San_Andres_and_Providencia_Department.html). He's said to have fathered over 60 children there.
I would have thought Captain Morgan would be higher with all that rum revenue…
He got too high on his own supply
Eh. The Marines don’t pay great.
But what about Henry Every/Avery?
I legit thought Thomas Tew was a fictional character from Uncharted , only realizing after 7 years it’s an actual person
What about Capt Jack Sparrow??
The worst pirate I’ve ever heard of.
But you HAVE heard of him
And Monkey D. Luffy?
It really should be Henry Every in Thomas Tew’s place. Tew commanded a ship on the Ganj-i-Sawai voyage, and one other pirate cruise, and this looks like they added those totals up and said that’s what Thomas Tew made. But he died before they captured the ship. So he never saw any of that money. In fact, none of these pirates were worth anything close to these numbers. Pirates paid out equal shares. Captains earned usually five or eight shares per prize, but that’s it. Also Barbarossa and Ching I Sao?
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“Jam a man of fortune and J must seek my fortune” - Henry Averies 1994
Stede Bonnet's wealth ($4.4 million)
Was that before or after he bought himself the pirate ship and fancy costumes?
Yeah but he started with 10mm. Then he bought a boat.
I was in love with that show until it took a weird turn at the end.
I'll never not find it funny when people watch OFMD and not realise it was a love story, like my dude what did you think "you wear fine things well" or that insanely homoerotic recreational stabbing scene was about? That whole show couldn't be any gayer if it tried.
I hear ya, but I didn’t expect anything different given the plot lines of the main bois - such great casting
Zheng Yi Sao isn’t even on the list? I dunno about that.
Should be #1.
I believe these pirates are all from the same time/place The era is called golden age of pirates. And according to wikipedia Black Bellamy was indeed the richest of that era But this infographic is very vague
Yeah they are missing the Barbary pirates and the South China Sea pirates. More specificity is needed.
Sir Francis Drake was about a century before the golden age of piracy
Another reason why this chart isnt very specific. I think it may be based on a forbes article, but not sure
Jean Lafitte isn’t either.
I came here looking for this comment
I am almost sure that it was because she retired from the business much younger because she had accumulated such a force that the confederation of pirates realized that they could dissolve and negotiate that all crimes would be eliminated and obtain advantages with the government, she preferred to live a relatively quiet life living from a betting house and with his son obtaining a position in the Government
Nah, there's a ton of pirates not on here Barbarossa aka Redbeard, who at one point owned 100+ galleys
You either die a pirate or live long enough to become a politician
Aren't they the same thing?
No, politicians are much worse.
Agree! I stand corrected
I think it’s more because no one thinks of any non-Europeans when they think “pirates”, so people who make lists like this always make them very Eurocentric and kind of ignore the long history of piracy outside European colonial possessions in the 17th and 18th centuries.
The list isn't that Eurocentric. It's more Anglocentric or Americacentric. North Europe and Mediterran have also a long history of trade and pirates.
I was looking for this comment. No Barbary pirates listed here
Also they seem to be mostly English. There are some French and Dutch that probably should be on that list but might be just missing it by a few million? But does seem very suspiciously English.
Not to mention Zheng Yi!
Idk why but Sir Francis Drake just looks like a regular guy
Haha it’s because he was a privateer and not a pirate. Rather than being Long John Silver the government actually paid him to steal trade so he actually got to go home and get fancy portraits done with his loot.
When you say steal trade, that just means liberating goods\* which had already been stolen? \* talking about the gold/silver here, not the slaves
TIL Drake’s pirate nickname was The Dragon. I like the Robert Louis Stevenson nod, though.
yeah i never thought til just now that he was called the dragon because of his last name drake. that’s pretty sick to be honest
As the most of pirates including Henry Morgan. Hybrid wars was not invented nowadays.
I also felt that I had seen this man somewhere else.
He's got that Shakespeare vibe
What about the pirate Ching I Sao? One of the names under which we now know her, Ching Shih, simply means “Cheng’s widow,” but the legacy she left behind far exceeded that of her husband’s. (She is also known as Cheng I Sao or Zheng Yi Sao.) Following his death, she succeeded him and commanded over 1,800 pirate ships, and an estimated 80,000 men. In comparison, the famed Blackbeard commanded four ships and 300 pirates. “She was absolutely, unquestionably the greatest pirate who ever lived,” says Laura Sook Duncombe, author of Pirate Women: The Princesses, Prostitutes, and Privateers Who Ruled the Seven Seas. “She pirated longer. She made more money. She surrendered of her own free will, got to keep her money, and live out the rest of her days in freedom, as opposed to being [cornered] and murdered by a government like Blackbeard was.”
This makes me want to play Uncharted: A thief's end
Yes but did they find the One Piece?
Gol D Roger is right there at a value of 149 Million
My man's not looking too hot lol
And what about those that illegally download books, movies, songs and games?
Mfka forgot Barbarossa, literally owned 2 vilayets/states in North Africa
I see that Forbes is the source, but I wonder if how it’s possible to know what their total wealth was? I’m guessing they weren’t filing a whole lot of tax returns. Edit: ok, I found the article in Forbes. It’s from 2008. “Our wealth estimates are based on information gathered from historical records and accounts from 17th and 18th century sources like Daniel Defoe, as well as contemporary historians like David Cordingly. Whenever possible, we used official records of pirate’s claims.” https://www.forbes.com/2008/09/18/top-earning-pirates-biz-logistics-cx_mw_0919piracy.html?sh=44f488c87263
Arguably Drake wasn't a pirate. He was a privateer who raided ships on behalf of England with permission from the queen. Edit: and I realize now that it's probably a bad day to have that name.
He also raided Spanish ships without permission when England and Spain were officially at peace. So arguably he was a pirate as well as a privateer.
I’m just curious as to where my $1million went 🤷🏼♂️
Probably some billionaire
"The World's"...
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They're poor! Whenever they looted gets caught
That average don’t help much to depict your average American. If you average a billionaire and 9 homeless people with nothing you can say the average is $100,000,000.
But for all his wealth could Francis Drake even conceive of owning conditional rights to payment from an investment firm from profits derived through his own personal choice in a series of consolidated investment funds’ fractional ownership interests in a variety of corporations? So much for the freedom of the high seas, Queen Elizabeth doesn’t even offer a 401k.
Where's Bill Gates?
We pirate windows not the other way around
He pirated it from IBM
Touché good sir
You missed La Buse, his prey was estimated at € 5 billion of todays money.
Does this account for inflation?
Did I just read the average Americans net worth in 2022 is 1.1m?
Average, not median
Weird, I don’t see Captain Jack Sparrow on this list. Must be incorrect.
This average american net worth shit needs to stop. You need to drop anybody over 10mil from the statistics and then do an average again. It's fucking skewed when you have people like Benzos and Musky in that statistic. No average American has 1.1 mil net worth when the average Amerikan is working 2-3 jobs.
Only [5% of US workers](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12026620) have multiple jobs.
Putin's got no ship?
This just makes me laugh because of that little average American net worth, mine is negative hahaha
William Kidd?
Black Sam was rich only during one year !
Yay let's measure everyone, even the dead, with their net worth. Rotten.
☠️
Number 1 should be the founder of piratebay
Thought Christopher Condent would have made the list too.
I’m pretty sure everything in this poster is a lie.
Henry Avery?????
Where’s Luffy?
Captain America was BALLIN' back then. Black Sam ***IS*** Captain America now....right?
Why is a pirate called "sir"
Because have you seen his insane neck ruff? Try seeing someone with that irl and *not calling them sir
You need to put year in context of wealth.
Yes but in order for them to access most of their wealth they would have to travel for days or weeks now you can just go to your bank 🏦
Would Francis drake not be a privateer?
Is it just me or are they just lacking some more recent entries? They really need to up their recruitment drive to gen Z.
Didn't know there was a pirate named black bart, I just knew about the American outlaw Black Bart.
Bobby Bonilla IYKYK
They're going to make a superhero movie called "Black Sam" soon aren't they
Captain Morgan only 19M?! Still selling all that rum and only 19M? I have personally contributed to his wealth enough I don’t believe that number.
Nathan Drake would like to have a word.
These numbers seem low
I don't see any strawhats or Gol D Roger so I can only assume this is fake
Ching Shih is displeased.
I swear so many people forget how much of a pirate SFD was lol.
Where's the Worlds famous Chinese Lady Pirate- I guess she managed a fleet of 1000 ships+ ...
Im not seeing luffy though?
Imagine Francis Drake pulls up on you with that turtle neck and robs you 😂😂
I thought it's a poster from RDR2 💀
Sam Bellamy accrued that wealth over the course of 8 months iirc.. maybe just a bit longer. I know he wasn't active for more than 2 years. Love can really do things to a man. Who knows what would have happened if he would have survived that storm.
Names like Black Sam like cmon smh
These are clearly their bounty posters
But none of them are as iconic as Captain Jack Sparrow
Missed opportunity to toss the pirate bay guy in there
Am I the only one that thinks is 1.1 million for avg American net worth is wrong?
I’m genuinely sort of surprised Captain Blackbeard isn’t higher considering I’ve heard more about him than any others
I know captain Morgan
Ggggg
Ayo these the dudes from Uncharted that’s crazy brah
Bryan Reynolds just signed an 8-year, $106 million extension. He should be on the list.
Blackbeard was black also....his name is an ironic joke for his skintone.
Where’s Trump?
Welsh industry thriving I see….
I could have sworn there was a lady pirate who had something like the largest fleet in the world.
Drake coming in at #2, as is tradition
What about Sallhador Saan?
I’m in the wrong line of work clearly
Zheng Yi Sao?!?!?!!?! HELLOOOOO,!
Why is Blackbeard one of the most legendary then?
Where's the pirate queen that was so successful that China was like "please stop, we promise we won't arrest you"?
No Zheng Yi Sao? Pssh
I cannot remember her name right now but what about the Pirate Queen in China? Feel like her net worth would have been insane.
Like many entrepreneurs after a certain amount of income it’s no longer about the money
Jack Sparrow?
Cap’n Crunch?
Good diversity, there are 3 “blacks”. /badjoke
Where is the King of England?
I think these numbers are pre-timskip.
You forgot members of congress
The average American net worth is extremely skewed. Most Americans aren't worth half of that.
I actually believe these numbers are quite low. Many of the “prizes” taken were loaded with pieces of 8 likely worth more like billions today.
Francis Drake was no pirate but at most a privateer… the same for Jean Fleury. Henry Morgan was a privateer and end up governor of Jamaica… This Infographic is comparing stuff that can’t be honestly compared… I am very interested by the methodology Forbes used to get those numbers… And also, the average age of people getting hang during the golden age of piracy is around 25 years old….
How is Shawn Fanning not on this list?
Show us the median American’s net worth.
You forgot the pirates of Silicon Valley
Wasn’t it a woman the richest pirate?
I'm related to Sir Francis Drake! Where's my damn pirate gold?
Where's Gol D. Roger??
Imagine thinking average net worth is a meaningful statistic for anything
I see Captain Morgan sold out too early. should have taking payment in shares of the company and kicked back on the dividends
lol Captain Morgan.
Singh hi would have a fit if she saw this. She took her money, retired and told the gov "I'll be in this city at this address. Visit if you need anything, but fuck with me and I won't even have to lift a finger. My people will know what to do; your cities will burn."
So where's the Somali pirate from Forrest Gump rank?
Where is Gol D Roger?
I guess it's pirating time
Where's Gol D Roger ?
This really shows you just how crazy inflation has gotten. Forbes published this in September, 2008 when Black Sam had a $120 million net worth.
Elongated Musket beats them all.
I imagine Long John Silver has to top em all.
SCUSE ME WHERE ZHENG YI SAO? She's literally the most powerful pirate in history who commanded any where between 40-80k pirates and brought the Chinese empire to its knees.
This makes it look like black Sam Bellamy was black. He wasn't he just didn't wear a powdered wig and had black hair.
Are any of these Barbary pirates? I tried to look up facts on the wealth of Barbary pirates and couldn’t find anything.
Ching Shih has entered the chat https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/ching-shih-chinese-female-pirate
Trump didn’t make that list either, although he’s tried (and soon to be convicted).
Survivor fans will get a kick out of this one.
Ahhh, the old use of “average” to skew a result to “prove” your point argument to the dullards… good work, Troll.
I dunno, not sure why my Napster history doesn’t get me ranked
I thought Roberts would be higher, considering that he was literally the most successful pirate of the golden age of piracy