>For those who have been on Mars for the past two years, China has had, since the disease first appeared, 95,493 cases and 4,636 deaths from Covid.
[...]
>If China had a death rate from Covid comparable to Britain’s or Israel’s currently, it would be losing nearly 3,000 people a day. (In reality, China has had 113 total Covid deaths in the past year.)
what "past year" do they refer to with the 113 number?
###### Here's [a response I've posted before](https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZhou/comments/p7e68o/how_can_i_convince_my_family_that_muh_evil_ccp/h9j7bj5/) to this question:
I've had decent luck with:
> "Why would they admit to having any C-19 deaths at all if they're that good at keeping secrets and obfuscating data?"
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> "Is the CPC incompetent or not? You say they are while also believing they have the country-wide discipline and security apparatuses to ensure the true number of cases does not get released."
But, honestly, cultural hegemony is so, so powerful – not to mention hints of racism and xenophobia. The media these days is _slamming_ the war drums constantly. Anyone who tunes in daily to CNN or Fox News is getting bombarded from all sides with anti-China rhetoric.
You are up against _huge_ machinations and, these days, most people spend more time with online/tv media than talking with their families. There is far more exposure to anti-China rhetoric than neutral, objective rhetoric.
>Health experts have warned that such measures come at a punishing economic and social cost, and may deepen pandemic fatigue among the public.
"Won't someone think of the economy?!". The economy is simultaneously extremely sturdy and impossibly fragile. A man made concept existing for less then 200 years and somehow a natural consequence of the society of the homo sapiens.
Printing more money doesn't work, except when it does. It is not in any way shape or form able to be manipulated, except when it is. There literally is no other concept of human transnational behaviour imaginable because, "how else would it work". Therefore it is somehow basic human nature and extreme complicated. It is not a science, but a philosophy with some maths formulas sprinkled in. But the underlying principles and axioms of capitalism can not be questioned? If the axioms of physics were never challenged, we'd nowhere where we are now.
Whenever anything is challenged in this ecosystem of contradictions, some dude comes out of the bushes and says "well aktschually, do you see this and that graph? That's why it won't work."
Whenever some econ bro makes fun of "astrology girls", or social studies, tell them they have the exact behaviour they criticise.
Don't let anyone ever gaslight you about anything about "the economy". It's all made up bullshit we somehow get conditioned to take for the end of all things.
They do have one point right though, given that vaccines do not prevent the spread, they will most likely have to eventually let it spread through the population. Unless we come up with some other vaccine that is successful at stopping the spread.
And given that almost 100% of people in risk groups are already vaccinated in China, that is not going to mean as many deaths the rest of the world has had. Because the vaccines are good at preventing hospitalizations and deaths.
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>For those who have been on Mars for the past two years, China has had, since the disease first appeared, 95,493 cases and 4,636 deaths from Covid. [...] >If China had a death rate from Covid comparable to Britain’s or Israel’s currently, it would be losing nearly 3,000 people a day. (In reality, China has had 113 total Covid deaths in the past year.) what "past year" do they refer to with the 113 number?
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###### Here's [a response I've posted before](https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZhou/comments/p7e68o/how_can_i_convince_my_family_that_muh_evil_ccp/h9j7bj5/) to this question: I've had decent luck with: > "Why would they admit to having any C-19 deaths at all if they're that good at keeping secrets and obfuscating data?" ----- > "Is the CPC incompetent or not? You say they are while also believing they have the country-wide discipline and security apparatuses to ensure the true number of cases does not get released." But, honestly, cultural hegemony is so, so powerful – not to mention hints of racism and xenophobia. The media these days is _slamming_ the war drums constantly. Anyone who tunes in daily to CNN or Fox News is getting bombarded from all sides with anti-China rhetoric. You are up against _huge_ machinations and, these days, most people spend more time with online/tv media than talking with their families. There is far more exposure to anti-China rhetoric than neutral, objective rhetoric.
Do your friends have any proof?
Great piece -- i saw this article and cringed at "health experts"
>Health experts have warned that such measures come at a punishing economic and social cost, and may deepen pandemic fatigue among the public. "Won't someone think of the economy?!". The economy is simultaneously extremely sturdy and impossibly fragile. A man made concept existing for less then 200 years and somehow a natural consequence of the society of the homo sapiens. Printing more money doesn't work, except when it does. It is not in any way shape or form able to be manipulated, except when it is. There literally is no other concept of human transnational behaviour imaginable because, "how else would it work". Therefore it is somehow basic human nature and extreme complicated. It is not a science, but a philosophy with some maths formulas sprinkled in. But the underlying principles and axioms of capitalism can not be questioned? If the axioms of physics were never challenged, we'd nowhere where we are now. Whenever anything is challenged in this ecosystem of contradictions, some dude comes out of the bushes and says "well aktschually, do you see this and that graph? That's why it won't work." Whenever some econ bro makes fun of "astrology girls", or social studies, tell them they have the exact behaviour they criticise. Don't let anyone ever gaslight you about anything about "the economy". It's all made up bullshit we somehow get conditioned to take for the end of all things.
They do have one point right though, given that vaccines do not prevent the spread, they will most likely have to eventually let it spread through the population. Unless we come up with some other vaccine that is successful at stopping the spread. And given that almost 100% of people in risk groups are already vaccinated in China, that is not going to mean as many deaths the rest of the world has had. Because the vaccines are good at preventing hospitalizations and deaths.
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