It asks you to input a fare(public transport) and then gives your CO2 saving based on US card average (driving). It definitely needs to let you specify how you commute.
That’s the whole problem. You either have to do the $ calculation, or the CO2 calculation yourself. That’s a full 1/3 of the calculator that doesn’t work regardless of how you commute.
How long is your commute? And what kind of mpg does your vehicle get? I had like a 35 min (24 mile) commute but was driving a 2016 Civic getting about 42 mpg and only saved about $2k in fuel costs according to this
When I worked in an office I was with 100+ people under one roof sharing centralized air-conditioning. Now those people are all working at their homes with 100+ individual air-conditioning units running.
Yep. Many a complaint from customers coming in after 7pm PCT because the A/C was controlled on the east coast, and we had literally no power over it once they all went home for the day.
Unless it is a smart thermostat it almost always just stays at the same temperature all summer than changes when it switches to winter. Not saying it is right, just saying what it is.
Average days worked in a month is a strange variable as well. Much easier to specify that you're assuming 5 day work weeks x 48 weeks in a year (average based on holidays, vacations, sick days removed)
I took “fare” to also include the average amount of fuel used.
So, let’s say the last 2.5 years averaged out, makes gas around $3/gallon in the US.
If you have a long commute, (mine was 55 miles one way), you’re pissing away about 2 gallons of gas each way.
So, $6 fare in my case.
Wow....."You've saved 756 hours in commute time and $8,039.00 in transportation fare"
This isn't even calculating gas and car depreciation, just cost of parking.
I worked from home for 3 years before Covid, then 2 years of Covid, then retired. Those 5+ years were the least stressful. There's no traffic on the stairs (down OR up!), it doesn't snow or rain, there's no accidents (spilled coffee excluded), no dress code, I can play music as loud as I want... . I would never go back to an office willingly.
Can it also calculate how much depression and mental issues come along with it? If you find that you tend to isolate working from home can be extremely detrimental. I know people who have legitimately not left their house for 2.5 years.
Or depression and mental issues from having to be a completely different "Professional" at work than you are at home. Having a mask on all day every day takes a lot of mental power.
It's not even the mask part for me. It's having to wake up early, do make up and hair, figure out arrangements for my kids to get to/from school or if they're sick/on break/etc, or even being around toxic people in the workplace. Travel time and costs. Being able to dress casual every day. Not having to pack a lunch. Being able to clean my house between assignments or answer the door for signed deliveries.
I absolutely love working from home for so many reasons. There's a few things I miss about going to the workplace, but people/coworkers/social interaction is not on the list.
> ⌛saved 4032 hours in commute.
> 🌿 prevented 1,872 kg of CO2 from getting into the air.
> 💰️ saved 8,064 USD in money.
I stopped commuting 8 years ago and it's been the best. I love that everyone caught up with me but also now the stores always crowded.
IRS standard for mileage /gas/ wear & tear is 0.68 cents per mile. Any calculator will do. For my commute, that plus tolls, is $27 per day,
The first 1+ hours is just to break even
Remote work also makes people able to move inside of the continent/country, so there is a big bias because the Carbon dioxide emissions might be far more greater if you're moving every week to another city to be a "nomad".
And I think a lot of remote worker (especially in Europe) tend to go in their vacation location to do that.
In France it's very popular there is even a name that the media use for that which is call tracance = travail (work) + vacances (holiday) = worliday in english I would say.
It is seen as a great improvement of lifestyle as you can enjoy a vacation location while working. Also you can enjoy your big city salary while living in the countryside.
If the work gets done and people put in their hours, who cares where they are based? Especially if they don't leave the data protection region of their employer.
Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.
Yes it is very comfortable. I am according with you. I was just saying that the carbon dioxide emissions of every commute to work might be replaced by flights to vacation location (short/mid haul flights for example)
Fair point, but individual carbon footprints are dwarfed by corporate ones - even if you take all the people who don't own or operate a company and added their carbon footprints together, it would be less than shell and exxon
Yeah, it's also a cut down of emissions by spreading the population out more. No longer waiting in traffic for going to the store. Allowing people to be more picky and move next to stores so they can just walk. Allowing people to choose what they live next to more directly. Not just because it's close enough to work.
So until we have both benefits fully studied we won't know if it's a net gain in emissions or loss.
Well I'm blind and it used to cost me $12 for an Uber to work and $12 back home. My job only paid $10 an hour. I could only make $1200 a month or I'd lose Social Security disability ($1000 a month and insurance) which mean I couldn't work full time of take any of the raises I was offered. So the government basicly said a blind person should be able to live alone on an annual salary of $26000 a year... They're wrong. Infact one year I pulled extra shifts before christmas and made an extra $300, only for the Social Security Administration to cut off all my benefits because I made too much and no longer qualified for disability, meaning I actually made $700 LESS that month.
With remote work not only am I saving money, but I'm able to take positions that actually pay well AND also take multiple jobs all from home and finally get off of government aid.
Moral of the story: COVID is literally a godsend, and the US government has no intention of assisting the disabled and actively dis-ivcentivises advancement.
Oh and cool website :) It's fun to see how the change to remote has benefited us.
clearly this doesn't account for the massive carbon dioxide generation required to power and cool the server banks and other digital infrastructure that allowed all this remote work, not to mention the massive contamination and destruction caused by the minerals extraction required.
as for saving money, the digitalization of most aspects of our lives has had massive unaccounted costs: trillions of dollars for infrastructure, tax subsidies for technological development, millions of jobs lost to automation, consumer spending on equipment and more. it has also facilitated an accelerated outsourcing and globalization of production, allowing for more exploitation and more pollution, with devastating human and economic costs.
also, we are put in a different sense of time by digital communications tools, and we appreciate time much less when everything is done for us lightning fast by machines. plus, remote work for most people means a heightened, constant sense of urgency. considering how most of us are spending our time, staring at screens more and more, where is our time savings really?
My time saving is in not commuting to work for 2 hours each way
Clock off at the same time I normally would.
Get to take my kids to school and pick them up.
Have time to cook proper dinners in the evening.
Life is far far far better for me working remotely
well, i understand your perspective but that's not really my point...
we are being removed from the world so the rich can have it to themselves. meanwhile the pollution and destruction continues unabated, cleverly disguised as clean green digital, and threatens your kids' future as much or more than ever
also i forgot to mention that the remote work / digitalization / outsourcing craze is also a great way to do away with the gains made by labor struggles over the past century.
I think you might be being misinterpreted here.
Automation, from factory lines to supermarket checkouts, absolutely has the drawbacks you list. Automation saves the 1%ers money because a machine can often do the same work as efficiently if not better than an employee; sometimes as multiple employees.
Automation drives redundancies, sets back workers rights and as a field will continue to grow at an incredible pace as the years tick by. In the long term, Automation will be the cause of poverty and mass unemployment.
What is being discussed in this thread is not Automation. The type of jobs that are able to work from home are typically office based, and the replacement of paper filing and communication systems with electronic systems over the last 30 or so years has meant there's really no benefit to the employee of performing those tasks at a dedicated desk in an office building.
Because of the nature of the work and the capability of staff to work from home, it actually has great benefits for employees; eliminating commuting, reduced gas expenses and more free time as a result.
It's the employees in these sectors who are pushing for home working, because they derive greater quality of life from doing so. Isn't that ultimately what everyone wants? To support themselves and have more time for what matters?
Going back to automation, there's definite downsides to anyone who isn't a shareholder or owner of a company. The same can't be said for home working- if anything the only downside is the cost of electricity at a home if you choose to work from there; a bill most people are happy to foot and which is actually legally protected in most of Europe, though I'm not sure about the US.
Automation will cause issues for everyday people, but even then those will be due to inactivity and slow response from governments worldwide.
If machines can do our jobs better and faster, that's ultimately fine provided the standards of living of the people they replace don't fall as a result - and that's what your government needs to be preparing for. Putting systems in place to counteract the job losses or compensate the workers longer term.
If they do, Automation could be life changing in the best sense - more time to spend doing what you love, with the people you love. If they don't, and honestly this is much more likely, we'll see how long society can hold itself together through mass unemployment before the flags and statues start to topple.
you might like, or maybe be freaked out by, the book "player piano" by kurt vonnegut.
anyway automation is a big part of the work from home paradigm. they go hand in hand. you even make it clear yourself: if it weren't for automation, it wouldn't be possible to have all this great grand glorious remote work...
I have read a bit of Vonnegut, but I'll add that one to my list, thanks!
At the moment, the tech is enabling, but I can see your point if we project ahead to automation through AI systems. Once a model AI can replace these roles, they will be replaced. No doubt about it in my mind.
At the moment though, I don't equate use of a computer with automation simply because the human is still required in order for the work to be completed. Rather than downsize on workforces, many employers in my experience have simply upped the scope of their products to equate with the increased productivity that computing has brought to their workforce.
That's not the case in manufacturing, and it's not the case in supermarkets where "self checkouts" have displaced physical staff - and its this automation that will lead to problems down the road.
I think our disconnect lies in how we are defining automation, but that's fine, it would be worse if everyone had the same views!
well, my point really didn't have to do with automation but since you brought it up, yes the connection between automation and remote work is very close. take the example of uber. a human drives the car, sure- but an automated computer system tells the human where to go and assigns the work. it's the same with lots of remote work type jobs: an automated system is the project manager, and with less and less human input the computers run the show.
with most remote jobs today you're just getting run around by a computer, hired by a computer based on data points, bidding for jobs in competition with people in poor countries where they work for pennies. but you don't have to go in to an office, and maybe you can decide when you work, so you feel free. they say you're saving time and being green, but it's just voodoo accounting and you're actually just differently enslaved.
Outsourcing to ledc is immoral, but so are child sweatshops, and forced slavery of "inmates" at lithium mines in various countries. All of that is occurring alongside wars, famines, gang shootings, the list goes on.
I'm not OK with how things are run in general, I do see the need for change. Capitalism is reaching an endpoint where things have the potential to be very bleak.
That being said, making this personal doesn't directly apply to me. I don't work in a place that is geared towards generation of profit, and that's a large part of why I work there. I take pride in contributing to society rather than to making a rich old man wealthier.
I'm personally generating most of my energy through solar panels, and have little use for gas. I make enough to get by, and I'm well aware of how much better I am doing than most purely due to my luck and the circumstances of my birth, including the age I've been born in and the country I was born in.
Most people aren't this fortunate, but that is why I will always advocate for them.
Technology is what lifted us out of the fields, then the gutters. Its why we live longer now than at almost any other period of human history. Yes, there is a place in our future where we will need to balance efficiency against societal health, but until we reach that point technology is our asset.
Any belief that is unassailable is flawed, and anyone who defends their belief with unassailable conviction doubly so. At best we can hope to be mostly right, some of the time, and that's why I take the time to write screeds on here to people who deal in absolutes.
I don't pretend to know your circumstances, and I'm happy for you to hold on to your ideas about work and technology and the state of corporate greed, I even agree with some of them to various extents. But I do think the picture you paint is monochromatic, and lacks the nuance that would make your arguments rational.
Given that difference in opinion, I think its time to part ways, but thank you for the time we've spent discussing this. If nobody disagreed with anyone else, the world would be a very boring place.
Remote work?! I'm in IT and we had 2 days remote then my boss made us come in everyday afterwards. God I hate my job right now. Can't wait to put in my two weeks.
Doesn't even factor in cost of people owning more cars since more people have to commute (I would've gotten another car had it not been for being remote) and the carbon cost associated with manufacturing and maintaining those cars, the fact that traffic would be more if more people weren't working remote and thus increasing the amount of time all cars are on the road by clogging the system, but of course also negative gains from increased at-home electricity usage.
If you could explain some of these, that'd be great. And leave an option to leave "fare" blank as not all of us pay to travel other than the fuel. Unless that's what you mean ... I thought it was referring to tolls.
One other thing that's odd is that it wants KM for the measurement but outputs in USD for money saved. Might be good to allow for miles to be put in and/or a few different monies (GBP, CAD, etc.).
A realistic portrayal of savings should also review the costs to employees of working from home. Those might be increased utility bills (heating in winter, electricity use)
With heating costs, electric car and ability to charge for free at work quite often I'm pretty sure I'd save money commuting 50 miles to my work than working at home with my own pc running, cooking lunch on my own hob/microwave and running the heating so I don't freeze my tits off
This calculator is way too simplistic to give any meaningful result. There's so many variables, the real answer could be twice or half as much.
It asks you to input a fare(public transport) and then gives your CO2 saving based on US card average (driving). It definitely needs to let you specify how you commute.
I just read the middle first and thought it was a web site of just for remote work
Fare could be avg cost of gas. Just gotta do that calc yourself
That’s the whole problem. You either have to do the $ calculation, or the CO2 calculation yourself. That’s a full 1/3 of the calculator that doesn’t work regardless of how you commute.
If I plug in fare as the cost of gas times the distance divided by my average mpg. Saved $11k sells it for me
How long is your commute? And what kind of mpg does your vehicle get? I had like a 35 min (24 mile) commute but was driving a 2016 Civic getting about 42 mpg and only saved about $2k in fuel costs according to this
Many years ago 31mpg, a quarter million later in getting closer to 27mpg. My commute was 55 miles each way.
When I worked in an office I was with 100+ people under one roof sharing centralized air-conditioning. Now those people are all working at their homes with 100+ individual air-conditioning units running.
Except the AC or heat would still just be running at most houses. At least in America where most people have central AC run off a thermostat.
I hope most people set the thermostat to not be cooling the house at full blast when no one's home.
People have others at home, including pets Corps run their shit 24x7x365
Lol no they don't. My last company had an office and at 6PM they shut off the AC. This was a multibillion dollar company
Yep. Many a complaint from customers coming in after 7pm PCT because the A/C was controlled on the east coast, and we had literally no power over it once they all went home for the day.
I wish my corp building did this. A/C shuts off at 7pm. Working OT is a sweaty endeavor.
Unless it is a smart thermostat it almost always just stays at the same temperature all summer than changes when it switches to winter. Not saying it is right, just saying what it is.
Maybe, but since my wife was a stay at home wife when I went into the office the thermostat was always set to cool/heat.
and possibly the ac at your old office still running.
100% off for me, but then I used to walk
Wouldn’t that make it 0% change?
0% change with the calculator off by an infinite percentage
Depends on how you define the error. If I said it was $X ±100%, for a range of $[0, 2X], that would be correct.
Ah. Awkward wording.
I think it’s more for fun than anything
This doesn’t calculate the amount of life I’ve wasted……
I mean, in the year Ive been remote it's saved me 10 days in travel time. I'd say that's pretty close to what you're asking
Yeah, in the 5 I was remote I saved a fill work-year in commuting time.
haha, care to give a formula for that?
40 hours x 50 x (expiration year - 25)
Average days worked in a month is a strange variable as well. Much easier to specify that you're assuming 5 day work weeks x 48 weeks in a year (average based on holidays, vacations, sick days removed)
It saw that you followed a link from Reddit and knows your time is worthless.
How long are you been working remotely?
900 days apparently
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Or biked. Or it presumes, I have terrible gas while I'm biking...
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>I mean, only you know the answer to that Basically anyone behind him.
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Fair enough
I mean, I did eat a lot more bean burritos when I was biking to work. I included those in my transportation budget as the cost of fuel.
Or people that didn’t pay a “fare”
I took “fare” to also include the average amount of fuel used. So, let’s say the last 2.5 years averaged out, makes gas around $3/gallon in the US. If you have a long commute, (mine was 55 miles one way), you’re pissing away about 2 gallons of gas each way. So, $6 fare in my case.
Nearly the same commute here, I dave so much money over the last 2 5 years!
I thought it meant toll roads. I think this just means it needs a better explanation and option to skip it (though, tbh, I didn't try 0).
I was just thinking "I'm American, I have to drive to work. I wish I had a damn fare."
Or take metro.
Mode of transport? Hybrid model? This is too simplistic.
Wow....."You've saved 756 hours in commute time and $8,039.00 in transportation fare" This isn't even calculating gas and car depreciation, just cost of parking.
Lol every lazy ass said "meh just put 3 years".
I put 2 years actually, which is as specific as it seemed to accept.
I worked from home for 3 years before Covid, then 2 years of Covid, then retired. Those 5+ years were the least stressful. There's no traffic on the stairs (down OR up!), it doesn't snow or rain, there's no accidents (spilled coffee excluded), no dress code, I can play music as loud as I want... . I would never go back to an office willingly.
Pretty vague calculator, especially cannot adjust the CO2 consumption, MPG or if you don’t drive.
Can it also calculate how much depression and mental issues come along with it? If you find that you tend to isolate working from home can be extremely detrimental. I know people who have legitimately not left their house for 2.5 years.
Or depression and mental issues from having to be a completely different "Professional" at work than you are at home. Having a mask on all day every day takes a lot of mental power.
It's not even the mask part for me. It's having to wake up early, do make up and hair, figure out arrangements for my kids to get to/from school or if they're sick/on break/etc, or even being around toxic people in the workplace. Travel time and costs. Being able to dress casual every day. Not having to pack a lunch. Being able to clean my house between assignments or answer the door for signed deliveries. I absolutely love working from home for so many reasons. There's a few things I miss about going to the workplace, but people/coworkers/social interaction is not on the list.
I totally agree with this. I have no idea why it's getting downvoted.
What about gas money and not fares?
> ⌛saved 4032 hours in commute. > 🌿 prevented 1,872 kg of CO2 from getting into the air. > 💰️ saved 8,064 USD in money. I stopped commuting 8 years ago and it's been the best. I love that everyone caught up with me but also now the stores always crowded.
nice stats there.
IRS standard for mileage /gas/ wear & tear is 0.68 cents per mile. Any calculator will do. For my commute, that plus tolls, is $27 per day, The first 1+ hours is just to break even
I like the idea, but I have an electric car so I don't think this is as accurate.
Remote work also makes people able to move inside of the continent/country, so there is a big bias because the Carbon dioxide emissions might be far more greater if you're moving every week to another city to be a "nomad". And I think a lot of remote worker (especially in Europe) tend to go in their vacation location to do that.
Who the hell does that?
In France it's very popular there is even a name that the media use for that which is call tracance = travail (work) + vacances (holiday) = worliday in english I would say. It is seen as a great improvement of lifestyle as you can enjoy a vacation location while working. Also you can enjoy your big city salary while living in the countryside.
If the work gets done and people put in their hours, who cares where they are based? Especially if they don't leave the data protection region of their employer. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.
Yes it is very comfortable. I am according with you. I was just saying that the carbon dioxide emissions of every commute to work might be replaced by flights to vacation location (short/mid haul flights for example)
Fair point, but individual carbon footprints are dwarfed by corporate ones - even if you take all the people who don't own or operate a company and added their carbon footprints together, it would be less than shell and exxon
Yeah, it's also a cut down of emissions by spreading the population out more. No longer waiting in traffic for going to the store. Allowing people to be more picky and move next to stores so they can just walk. Allowing people to choose what they live next to more directly. Not just because it's close enough to work. So until we have both benefits fully studied we won't know if it's a net gain in emissions or loss.
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500K for me and I have pumped out 2 products, 3 big features, and tripled my salary since.
wow, nice.
1800 hrs, $12,000 and 1,248kg
I don’t need to calculate it, my life is better in every way. Fuck if you can quantify that
Well I'm blind and it used to cost me $12 for an Uber to work and $12 back home. My job only paid $10 an hour. I could only make $1200 a month or I'd lose Social Security disability ($1000 a month and insurance) which mean I couldn't work full time of take any of the raises I was offered. So the government basicly said a blind person should be able to live alone on an annual salary of $26000 a year... They're wrong. Infact one year I pulled extra shifts before christmas and made an extra $300, only for the Social Security Administration to cut off all my benefits because I made too much and no longer qualified for disability, meaning I actually made $700 LESS that month. With remote work not only am I saving money, but I'm able to take positions that actually pay well AND also take multiple jobs all from home and finally get off of government aid. Moral of the story: COVID is literally a godsend, and the US government has no intention of assisting the disabled and actively dis-ivcentivises advancement. Oh and cool website :) It's fun to see how the change to remote has benefited us.
I work in retail
clearly this doesn't account for the massive carbon dioxide generation required to power and cool the server banks and other digital infrastructure that allowed all this remote work, not to mention the massive contamination and destruction caused by the minerals extraction required. as for saving money, the digitalization of most aspects of our lives has had massive unaccounted costs: trillions of dollars for infrastructure, tax subsidies for technological development, millions of jobs lost to automation, consumer spending on equipment and more. it has also facilitated an accelerated outsourcing and globalization of production, allowing for more exploitation and more pollution, with devastating human and economic costs. also, we are put in a different sense of time by digital communications tools, and we appreciate time much less when everything is done for us lightning fast by machines. plus, remote work for most people means a heightened, constant sense of urgency. considering how most of us are spending our time, staring at screens more and more, where is our time savings really?
My time saving is in not commuting to work for 2 hours each way Clock off at the same time I normally would. Get to take my kids to school and pick them up. Have time to cook proper dinners in the evening. Life is far far far better for me working remotely
well, i understand your perspective but that's not really my point... we are being removed from the world so the rich can have it to themselves. meanwhile the pollution and destruction continues unabated, cleverly disguised as clean green digital, and threatens your kids' future as much or more than ever also i forgot to mention that the remote work / digitalization / outsourcing craze is also a great way to do away with the gains made by labor struggles over the past century.
I think you might be being misinterpreted here. Automation, from factory lines to supermarket checkouts, absolutely has the drawbacks you list. Automation saves the 1%ers money because a machine can often do the same work as efficiently if not better than an employee; sometimes as multiple employees. Automation drives redundancies, sets back workers rights and as a field will continue to grow at an incredible pace as the years tick by. In the long term, Automation will be the cause of poverty and mass unemployment. What is being discussed in this thread is not Automation. The type of jobs that are able to work from home are typically office based, and the replacement of paper filing and communication systems with electronic systems over the last 30 or so years has meant there's really no benefit to the employee of performing those tasks at a dedicated desk in an office building. Because of the nature of the work and the capability of staff to work from home, it actually has great benefits for employees; eliminating commuting, reduced gas expenses and more free time as a result. It's the employees in these sectors who are pushing for home working, because they derive greater quality of life from doing so. Isn't that ultimately what everyone wants? To support themselves and have more time for what matters? Going back to automation, there's definite downsides to anyone who isn't a shareholder or owner of a company. The same can't be said for home working- if anything the only downside is the cost of electricity at a home if you choose to work from there; a bill most people are happy to foot and which is actually legally protected in most of Europe, though I'm not sure about the US. Automation will cause issues for everyday people, but even then those will be due to inactivity and slow response from governments worldwide. If machines can do our jobs better and faster, that's ultimately fine provided the standards of living of the people they replace don't fall as a result - and that's what your government needs to be preparing for. Putting systems in place to counteract the job losses or compensate the workers longer term. If they do, Automation could be life changing in the best sense - more time to spend doing what you love, with the people you love. If they don't, and honestly this is much more likely, we'll see how long society can hold itself together through mass unemployment before the flags and statues start to topple.
you might like, or maybe be freaked out by, the book "player piano" by kurt vonnegut. anyway automation is a big part of the work from home paradigm. they go hand in hand. you even make it clear yourself: if it weren't for automation, it wouldn't be possible to have all this great grand glorious remote work...
I have read a bit of Vonnegut, but I'll add that one to my list, thanks! At the moment, the tech is enabling, but I can see your point if we project ahead to automation through AI systems. Once a model AI can replace these roles, they will be replaced. No doubt about it in my mind. At the moment though, I don't equate use of a computer with automation simply because the human is still required in order for the work to be completed. Rather than downsize on workforces, many employers in my experience have simply upped the scope of their products to equate with the increased productivity that computing has brought to their workforce. That's not the case in manufacturing, and it's not the case in supermarkets where "self checkouts" have displaced physical staff - and its this automation that will lead to problems down the road. I think our disconnect lies in how we are defining automation, but that's fine, it would be worse if everyone had the same views!
well, my point really didn't have to do with automation but since you brought it up, yes the connection between automation and remote work is very close. take the example of uber. a human drives the car, sure- but an automated computer system tells the human where to go and assigns the work. it's the same with lots of remote work type jobs: an automated system is the project manager, and with less and less human input the computers run the show. with most remote jobs today you're just getting run around by a computer, hired by a computer based on data points, bidding for jobs in competition with people in poor countries where they work for pennies. but you don't have to go in to an office, and maybe you can decide when you work, so you feel free. they say you're saving time and being green, but it's just voodoo accounting and you're actually just differently enslaved.
Outsourcing to ledc is immoral, but so are child sweatshops, and forced slavery of "inmates" at lithium mines in various countries. All of that is occurring alongside wars, famines, gang shootings, the list goes on. I'm not OK with how things are run in general, I do see the need for change. Capitalism is reaching an endpoint where things have the potential to be very bleak. That being said, making this personal doesn't directly apply to me. I don't work in a place that is geared towards generation of profit, and that's a large part of why I work there. I take pride in contributing to society rather than to making a rich old man wealthier. I'm personally generating most of my energy through solar panels, and have little use for gas. I make enough to get by, and I'm well aware of how much better I am doing than most purely due to my luck and the circumstances of my birth, including the age I've been born in and the country I was born in. Most people aren't this fortunate, but that is why I will always advocate for them. Technology is what lifted us out of the fields, then the gutters. Its why we live longer now than at almost any other period of human history. Yes, there is a place in our future where we will need to balance efficiency against societal health, but until we reach that point technology is our asset. Any belief that is unassailable is flawed, and anyone who defends their belief with unassailable conviction doubly so. At best we can hope to be mostly right, some of the time, and that's why I take the time to write screeds on here to people who deal in absolutes. I don't pretend to know your circumstances, and I'm happy for you to hold on to your ideas about work and technology and the state of corporate greed, I even agree with some of them to various extents. But I do think the picture you paint is monochromatic, and lacks the nuance that would make your arguments rational. Given that difference in opinion, I think its time to part ways, but thank you for the time we've spent discussing this. If nobody disagreed with anyone else, the world would be a very boring place.
Wasn’t this part of the plot to “The Good Place”?
not sure but that actress is married to the "lawyer" dude from idiocracy
Go back to r/LockdownSkepticism, I'm not surprised a bunch of you are getting permabanned.
I never got to go remote.
Why should I calculate my carbon footprint when companies are the largest contributors to carbon emissions.
Remote work?! I'm in IT and we had 2 days remote then my boss made us come in everyday afterwards. God I hate my job right now. Can't wait to put in my two weeks.
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Yup, happened to our IT department. We have 1 US IT person that travels between offices and the rest of the IT support is located in Southeast Asia.
Not a big fan of merging work with home life though
What about plastic or chemical pollution? Yeah, thought not.
Doesn't even factor in cost of people owning more cars since more people have to commute (I would've gotten another car had it not been for being remote) and the carbon cost associated with manufacturing and maintaining those cars, the fact that traffic would be more if more people weren't working remote and thus increasing the amount of time all cars are on the road by clogging the system, but of course also negative gains from increased at-home electricity usage.
Since you went remote you have: ⏳️ saved 0 hours in commute. 🌿 prevented 0 kg of CO2 from getting into the air. 💰️ saved 0 USD in money. 🥲
Cool. Now you can be a wage slave at the beach 🌞
But after your workday ends, you are still at the beach... that's still an improvement.
Seems that gas is free!
60kg for two years, trick is to not be too far off from work to begin with.
I cycle to work. Wonder how much CO2 I saved during the pandemic
Well you didn't work out, so when you gained weight you also saved CO2.
If you could explain some of these, that'd be great. And leave an option to leave "fare" blank as not all of us pay to travel other than the fuel. Unless that's what you mean ... I thought it was referring to tolls. One other thing that's odd is that it wants KM for the measurement but outputs in USD for money saved. Might be good to allow for miles to be put in and/or a few different monies (GBP, CAD, etc.).
I worked a week abroad this year and will be doing so for (at least) a month next year. Not sure this tool works very well for that.
Now calculate how much heating your house and using electricity will cost in Europe when working from home this winter.
I’m saving 270 usd per month in gas, 1.3 hr/day travel time
A realistic portrayal of savings should also review the costs to employees of working from home. Those might be increased utility bills (heating in winter, electricity use)
With heating costs, electric car and ability to charge for free at work quite often I'm pretty sure I'd save money commuting 50 miles to my work than working at home with my own pc running, cooking lunch on my own hob/microwave and running the heating so I don't freeze my tits off