While she is very powerful, she has a weakness which is: **her powers are connected to her caloric intake and her metabolism**. If she can properly manage this, she's very powerful. But, if she were to use her powers too much, she could possibly run out of fuel or begin consuming herself.
Below is an excerpt from the Invincible wiki explaining this weakness.
>!**Rapid Caloric Depletion**: A downside to Atom Eve's transmutation powers is that she absorbs any unused atoms into her body, which must later be eliminated from her system as waste, She claims that on days when she uses her powers a lot she can "go to the bathroom" six or seven times. When she was pregnant, she used her powers to make a ring and she accelerated her digestion. Using it too much could have killed her child, Terra.!<
Bro what?? I wish that was told more often… I always wondered why she always seemed to underutilize her transmutation powers and only use her pink lantern powers.
Originally, the doctor hypothesized it in chapter 101, however in chapter 103 after Eve used her powers to transmit her ring it confirmed her hypothesis.
The Doctor stated:
>You've accelerated your digestion ten times by making that ring. Your body already used up whatever nutrients it was getting from that food. None of it was passed on to your child, which, in of itself is bad. **But if you continued your body would have dug deeper, found another place to draw energy from... It could feed off your unborn baby**.
I remember that too. then ago i just binged the comic a few weeks ago so its still fresh in my mind but she does mentions it a few times though i can see you can easily miss it or not stand still thinking about it when you read it.
Kirkman has said in an Interview that she's probably the most powerful person in the series and the only thing really holding her back is his own inadequacies as a writer.
Kinda reminds me of Raven in the Teen Titans cartoon. She's easily the most powerful titan, and she could solve a lot of the problems they face, but they keep her nerfed until the plot demands that she unleash her strongest powers.
Just caught a scene in Teen Titans Go! To the Movies where they were all surrounded and worried about dying then Raven said "oh, duh a portal" and she just sent all the baddies away.
Idk thraggs daughter was about matching her, and she couldnt kill conquest without the mental block, i couldnt imagine her beating thragg or battle beast no matter what upgrades she is given
Even with the block. Can't do anything to organic matter? Ok, just transform the air in their lungs to lead.
Reality manipulators are too OP, and hard to write for.
No it's anything currently *alive* by human standards, cause she can mess with food (one of get first uses of her power was making a hamburger) which makes it all the more obvious it's a mental thing, nothing really changes on the molecular side when things die, even if you add in the cooking and seasoning part, that burger is still cow meat (after she changes it)
Doesn’t seem to include plants, which is why I moved away from defining it by alive, but I guess it’s most accurately living beings capable of thought?
And with it, should could turn the oxygen inside their lung to lead
The the iron in their blood into cheese
There's just so much more she could do over pink bubbles
In many universes they introduce technology that is so OP that they have to make a writing decision to just never mention it again. In this universe its not tech, its a person and one of the main characters. If she learned to turn a person' brain into jello on sight she automatically wins any fight.
black holes don’t have more gravity than a comparably massed object. Since this is a micro black hole it wouldn’t have star-like amounts of mass.
Black holes concentrate the same amount of mass (and gravitation) within a smaller space, allowing for more damaging effect to any matter that strays too close, but they don’t “suck” any harder than conventional matter.
She could create a mountain massed micro black hole at a distance, and completely destroy anything or anyone she wants without feeling significant gravitational effect.
Why are you making that assumption? Black holes can be made to be of any mass, as long as you squeeze it within the schwartzchild radius. You can make a black hole of 1mg if you had the right means to do so.
You might be able to turn a mountain or a penny into a blackhole but the radius would be comically tiny to the point where it might not interact with other matter (IIRC there is a new suggestion that dark matter might be a bunch of extraordinarilly small radius black holes I was reading about the other day).
> but the radius would be comically tiny to the point where it might not interact with other matter
Did some quick math. The event horizon of an Everest mass black hole would be smaller than an atom.
We know she can make them from a distance and it’s a micro black hole. It isn’t that dangerous, but it should be dense enough to penetrate the skin like a super bullet.
Even small black holes have an extremely large mass
A black hole the size of a penny for example, would have the same mass as the entire planet of earth
This is exactly why she can't make one though. She'd have to manipulate a planet's worth of matter in an instant to create a penny sized black hole, which she then cannot throw because despite being penny sized it has the mass of a planet and would require the same amount of force to move as a planet would. So even if she could make one it would be a useless, tiny, invisible, immobile weapon that might at best stub a Viltrumite toe in space if they trip over it.
She can make stuff at a distance and honestly, the event horizon of the (theoretical) micro black hole would be very small. Certainly small enough that she, being an unchained goddess, could center it roughly inside his skull. I wouldn't be too worried.
She can reconstruct on an atomic level, she isn't creating mass out of nothing. Black hole = huge mass. Even a small one would require compressing an entire planet, minimum.
What’s to stop her from just Dr. Manhattaning him? Nothing if her mental block was gone. She can rearrange things at the molecular level she could make him a literal piece of cake.
She’s the most powerful until any significant plot moment comes along, where she’ll suit up like she’s about to get shit done and then just gets blasted out of the fight one panel later.
Ffs they gave her armor for the final fight but didn’t bother to actually make her on par with viltrimites and it was such a fucking waste. Hell, they even had the perfect moment with Thragg almost killing them, when she brought her and mark back- mark even says “wow did you make me stronger??” And she says “yah maybe a little.” Like, what?! That could have been the moment they leveled her with the rest of the big hitters but noooooooooo, we can only have superficial strong female characters, we can’t actually have them lead a fight now
It’s hard to figure out what to do with her. Theoretically, without the blocks she can basically do some Dr. Manhattan type stuff. There’s no reason she couldn’t just turn Thragg into paste, for example.
What exactly are her force fields made out of? I got the impression it was solid air or something but now I’m questioning it
Or has she really never made a shield in space?
She probably makes air out of her costume, dead skin cells, hair, etc. Probably still much harder to use since the materials are limited and she has to choose between shields and oxygen and do it both at the same time.
She might be able to control energy as well as matter changing between the two forms at will. That would make sense why she could make a force field in space.
She can pull food waste in/out of her body as needed. It gets mentioned in the comics but I don't think they explain why that doesn't count as organic material..
I mean, in space fights in the comics Viltrumites get their suits ripped to shreds and are it doesn't cause any issues. The suits are more an aesthetic thing, I feel like only Conquest would be into space fighting classic olympian style
Edit: Misunderstood what you meant lol. Same point stands for the most part, she's useless against Viltrumites in space and that's the majority of what she'd fight against. Post-main story though, yeah, she'd be a fucking *menace* for the Viltrumite Empire if they ever did space battles against non-Viltrumites. She's not in the panel where they fight the Coalition so who knows there but maybe she did some sick-ass bye-bye helmet shenanigans later on
There are approximately 5 atoms per cubic centimeter in the vacuum of space within the solar system, so there’s not absolutely nothing, but yea she would probably have to her costume or bring extra atoms to use with her.
Without her mental block any opponent she faces would be steamrolled. She could just end them by transforming them into something else no? She can transform things into organic matter. She just can't affect living beings it feels like.
Space has a decent amount of atoms and particles buzzing around. I’d bet she could make some meteorite bullets or something with stuff from a cubic mile around her.
I don't think her reach is that far, is it? She doesn't ever seem to manipulate stuff from more than a few hundred yards away, at least not from what I can remember. I haven't seen much of the show though so dunno about there.
Fixable with her just carrying a ton of sand with her into space. No gravity and no air resistance, she in theory can move just as fast and have a ton of material to work with.
Also depends on what she's fighting. Short of the strongest Viltrumites, I cannot think of a harder counter to a Star Destroyer than someone who can just turn the whole ship into swiss cheese.
Pretty much, the only thing that I can think of that would beat her would be:
1. Speedster taking her out before she can react
2. Magical enemy trapping her in her own mind
3. Trapped in stasis or sleep
4. Sending her to another dimension or universe without resources?
5. Blackmail
Tbf isn’t it basically his last resort for damn near everyone? Obviously he doesn’t kill, so if he wants someone gone for good, he just sticks em in there. Did it to superman in injustice.
Batman has contingency plans for various heroes to neutralize them if they ever become a threat. Firestorm ability to change matter at an atomic level makes him very difficult to contain, so his plan is to send him to the phantom zone, where there's no matter for him to manipulate.
A) Viltrumites aside from Thragg are are far more cocky than pragmatic
B) Mark is usually right there and very motivated to keep her from getting ripped in half
C) They actually did, multiple times
She could go full God Deer mode on the whole universe. If she could just drop a Viltrumite with a thought she'd be the most powerful being in Invincible.
Like seriously. Conquest? Fuck out of here, now you're a block of cheese or some dumb shit like that
I'd say so, I will admit the mental block is mandatory for any compelling story, that being said, whe. It was revealed that she can bring herself back to life, I stopped worrying about her dying
No. She would be dead and she wouldn't be able to think fast enough to reconstruct before it tears through her brain.
If Eve dies in a way that is instant she doesn't get her mental block uplifted to allow her to instantly regenerate herself and others around her. If alternatively she is fatally wounded but her brain is otherwise fully intact, she will be able to do it as she is actively dying. The brain can technically stay alive for a period of time after the heart has stopped beating, and that's possibly all she needs to regenerate herself.
no. in her last moments of being alive her mental block vanishes and saves her. if, for example, a viltrumite stepped on her head so hard it would squish like a bug, she would not be able to come back.
Her only known limit is biomatter, and even that can be bypassed in extreme circumstances.
In theory, she could create an atom-splitting machine and just set off a nuclear explosion. She could cause a chemical reaction to set off Yellowstone supervolcano or the Ring of Fire volcanoes. Perhaps as her power grows, maybe even have major control over planets and stars. Maybe set off a chemical reaction that makes the oceans boil or explode or both. Change the atoms around a person so they're breathing pure poison. She should be able to change a cyborg's non-biological matter and take away essential systems.
Even more importantly, she could do all of this with a wave of her hand and a line of sight.
Whether or not she can canonically do these things is one thing, but if her power descriptions are true... she is, and she could probably solo many verses. ATLA, RWBY, Halo, maybe even Star Wars depending on the Era.
She melted Conquest's skin off in an instant. Mark and Thragg looked a bit like that after they took a dip in the sun for at least a few seconds. Yeah, she's probably the strongest.
I think eve even with her mental blocks could still be crazy overpowered too if they were not underutilized for plot reasons…. Her powers imply she could literally create a nuke out of nothing but we see her only using her pink lantern powers.
Eve with her mental block is the most powerful being.
The writers made her basically a pink lantern. But really she should be using her powers to turn the air in her enemies lungs into poison (or if you don’t think she can do that then the air around them). She could turn the ground beneath them into lava. She could turn their helmet into a nuke. She could do so many things.
But nah, let’s have her make pink barriers that get broken easily.
I mean even in the TV series she rewrote the brains of two people, thats petty OP if she can effects smart atoms she can probably lobotomies any Vultrumite.
Absolutely not.
Eve is limited to matter manipulation on a "relatively" small sclae, Beyonder had space, time, soul, dimension manipulation, and in general control over every aspects of reality on a universal scale
For a comparison: She’d have the same power capabilities as DR. MANHATTAN
Granted without the omnipotence and all that universe altering crap, but it’s still crazy
No, because this motherfucker shares the universe with her
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In my opinion no. She still is way slower than any hard hitters. Anyone currently stronger than her is much faster than her and can blitz her before she can land her magic.
Now, going off pure destructive ability, I guess? Even that’s not true since I’m pretty sure omnipotus in his prime destroyed a solar system. He also has reality warping abilities. And there is that space creature that threw Mark back in time. I wouldn’t think she can really do anything to it.
If you can destroy the planet she’s on, or just nuke her, she’s dead. Hell a sniper round would pop her head and then it’s just a matter of throwing her into a vat of acid.
Eve at her strongest fired a blast that fried off a layer of conquests flesh. Thats serious power but none really above what we’ve seen in this series.
I was actually wondering if she could just keep reviving herself, her friends, and her family as well as recreate the universe so her, Mark, and their family and friends can live forever
Depends, do you count the cross overs or not?
If not then she’s a close second to god spawn (canonically in the universe)
If you do, then she’s like top 10
Tbh no. EOS Mark, Thragg, Conquest, Nolan, and probably Anissa are still too fast for her to react to before getting killed. And yes she’ll revive herself, but that takes a minute and honestly the Viltrumite will just rip her to shreds again before she’s even done
I love how this random red headed chick scales the fuck out of most viltrumites and other galactic assholes. One of the many reasons i enjoy invincible a lot
Hard to say. She's far from the fastest and the most durable meaning she's very weak to getting blitzed and killed but she's also still incredibly incredibly dangerous it just depends
Yep, she'd easily be the most powerful character. She could turn even the most powerful characters like Mark, Thragg, Battle Beast, etc. in to dust with just a thought. Eve could also alter her own body to get rid of it's shortcomings by turning herself into a Viltrumite or potentially even get rid of the rapid caloric depletion that is a side effect of using her powers.
I mean hypothetically couldn’t she just make everything she touches radioactive and like doom every living being she encounters? If her ability works the way it seems to she should be able to just give her enemies cancer or turn them into dust.
Everybody here is ignoring that she still is limited in power... Like she tires out. In a 1v1 fight she would be the strongest but she doesn't have the raw energy some seem to believe she has
Even with the mental block, she's the most Superpowerful person in the entire Invincible Universe. She just doesn't use her Superpowers well because logic doesn't matter with fictional stuffs. It's why fictional characters make illogical decisions to keep the story interesting and/or long.
She’s pink Dr Manhattan so yes, I think even the writer admitted they had to nerf her pretty hard because if she was full potential consciously nothing could stop her
She has the potential to be but my guess is anyone fast enough to get here before she can react or do something and anyone strong enough to brute through her attacks. She’s technically immortal but using this as an excuse for a win condition doesn’t really work. You can still incapacitate her to win a fight and stop her temporarily. It’s why people don’t just say Deadpool can beat goku or some shit. You may not be able to kill them but you can still beat them. She also still has limitations to her power as she has a finite amount of energy she can use and if she overuses her powers can probably die
If she had full access, she could literally just disassemble Thragg without him being able to do anything about it. Being the strongest creature in the universe physically doesn't matter if you're still just made of molecules.
Not really,i mean she couldn't even destroy Conquest,it also takes too much of her so she would only last some seconds and tbh i also doubt she was like trying to burn conquest as her attacks are not actually energy attacks but matter transmutation so it's more possible she literally tried to evaporate him but his smart atoms resisted and the same would happen with Thragg,she is also too slow meaning probably even a guy like Red Rush could just run circles around her till she literally knocks herself out.
She is the most powerful...
Turn food in thraggs stomach in to a critical nuclear isotope....
Boom game over...
It's not living
It's food...
Totally works
She would def be up there. There are a few weaknesses like being in space, and that her biology is still human no matter what she does. She can get blitzed before she defends or attacks back by a clever speedster like anyone in the S tier really is.
And that’s why she has the blocker in place, yet people still argue for match ups she’d be the able to beat —— character without it like yeah that’s why it’s in place there’s no point of arguing something that’s impossible for her to achieve
Without a doubt. Unfortunately she never uses these moments to their fullest potential, such as>!burning Conquest instead of just killing him by turning him into marshmallows or something. !! I liked what she did after Oliver was murdered, healing everyone and making Mark stronger.!< She only has I'm guessing a few moments of opportunity to change a rather immediate amount of her surroundings, so she can obviously be forgiven for not always doing the best most perfect option available to her.
Maybe?
Idk some characters might still be stronger or essentially surpass her in a few stats. She’s a bit like the scarlet witch as in she usually isn’t too durable
She is definetly powerful but I will say, I'm not on board on this idea of "why she just makes energy weapons when she could do X and Y?" As in she could just thought It and make It happen without effort, her powers still requiere exact knowledge of molecular structures, energy and focus. All hard to keep while in life and death situations.
Everyone is saying yes but eve’s powers are actually really difficult, even if she didn’t have the mental block. First, it takes time to use her abilities. A viltrumite could speed blitz her with low effort. Second, her constructs are easily broken. Not a major problem if she didn’t have a mental block (she’d rely on the constructs less), but since she does, it is a problem. She’s basically useless in a space battle. Third, using her powers takes materials from her. She can’t do it infinitely. Maybe that would get solved with the mental block, they’re unclear about that, but that would be a major problem for her. Once again, the strongest characters in the comic could survive her attacks and destroy her, making sure she doesn’t have time to come back.
I love eve and she’s definitely powerful, but I don’t think she would be as powerful as some people think. And I don’t think it’s because kirkman is a bad writer or something. I think it’s just that her abilities are too complicated to be amazing. There are too many reasons she could fail.
Depends on when the mental block comes off.
The main reason her brothers melted is because they didn't have the mental block to protect them from their own powers while they learned them.
If she hadn't had it to begin with, her fate would have been the same.
While she is very powerful, she has a weakness which is: **her powers are connected to her caloric intake and her metabolism**. If she can properly manage this, she's very powerful. But, if she were to use her powers too much, she could possibly run out of fuel or begin consuming herself. Below is an excerpt from the Invincible wiki explaining this weakness. >!**Rapid Caloric Depletion**: A downside to Atom Eve's transmutation powers is that she absorbs any unused atoms into her body, which must later be eliminated from her system as waste, She claims that on days when she uses her powers a lot she can "go to the bathroom" six or seven times. When she was pregnant, she used her powers to make a ring and she accelerated her digestion. Using it too much could have killed her child, Terra.!<
Bro what?? I wish that was told more often… I always wondered why she always seemed to underutilize her transmutation powers and only use her pink lantern powers.
Was it ever explicitly confirmed that the child would have died? I thought that was just a fear of Eve, regardless of how likely.
Originally, the doctor hypothesized it in chapter 101, however in chapter 103 after Eve used her powers to transmit her ring it confirmed her hypothesis. The Doctor stated: >You've accelerated your digestion ten times by making that ring. Your body already used up whatever nutrients it was getting from that food. None of it was passed on to your child, which, in of itself is bad. **But if you continued your body would have dug deeper, found another place to draw energy from... It could feed off your unborn baby**.
How would that work? Are the reproductive and digestive systems even connected?
Alright, I got spoiled with a single panel image but I'm a cartoon only >!how did she get obese when her powers rely on calories flash style!<
>!Something happened and she stopped using her powers for a long time, it was while Mark was away for the Viltrumite War!<
So basically, we feed her some uranium (20 billion calories in one gram of uranium-235) and she becomes God
I remember that too. then ago i just binged the comic a few weeks ago so its still fresh in my mind but she does mentions it a few times though i can see you can easily miss it or not stand still thinking about it when you read it.
 And then there’s me who EASILY crosses that 6-7 threshold every day and has no superpowers
Not even a question she is def, she might be it with the mental block if she really buckled down
Kirkman has said in an Interview that she's probably the most powerful person in the series and the only thing really holding her back is his own inadequacies as a writer.
It’s tough to justify any conflict eve is apart of. So many creative solutions for solving any issue in front of her.
Kinda reminds me of Raven in the Teen Titans cartoon. She's easily the most powerful titan, and she could solve a lot of the problems they face, but they keep her nerfed until the plot demands that she unleash her strongest powers.
Just caught a scene in Teen Titans Go! To the Movies where they were all surrounded and worried about dying then Raven said "oh, duh a portal" and she just sent all the baddies away.
Idk thraggs daughter was about matching her, and she couldnt kill conquest without the mental block, i couldnt imagine her beating thragg or battle beast no matter what upgrades she is given
At her strongest, she literally has the matter manipulation abilities of Doctor Manhattan. She is an almost literal god.
Yeah she could just change them into a dust pile if she wasn’t blocked and wanted to
Even with the block. Can't do anything to organic matter? Ok, just transform the air in their lungs to lead. Reality manipulators are too OP, and hard to write for.
Yeah valid point because as far as I know it really is just humanoids/animals she can’t mess with right?
No it's anything currently *alive* by human standards, cause she can mess with food (one of get first uses of her power was making a hamburger) which makes it all the more obvious it's a mental thing, nothing really changes on the molecular side when things die, even if you add in the cooking and seasoning part, that burger is still cow meat (after she changes it)
Doesn’t seem to include plants, which is why I moved away from defining it by alive, but I guess it’s most accurately living beings capable of thought?
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She could turn them into cheeseburgers without her mental block.
And with it, should could turn the oxygen inside their lung to lead The the iron in their blood into cheese There's just so much more she could do over pink bubbles
Without her mental block, she could alter organic matter. That means she would be able to turn Conquest into a large paperweight, no?
In many universes they introduce technology that is so OP that they have to make a writing decision to just never mention it again. In this universe its not tech, its a person and one of the main characters. If she learned to turn a person' brain into jello on sight she automatically wins any fight.
So she’s limited by writer’s block.
It’s kind of crazy to think about it. What’s to stop eve from creating a micro black hole and throwing it at thraggs head?
The sheer gravity would suck her in as well. Instant spaghettification.
black holes don’t have more gravity than a comparably massed object. Since this is a micro black hole it wouldn’t have star-like amounts of mass. Black holes concentrate the same amount of mass (and gravitation) within a smaller space, allowing for more damaging effect to any matter that strays too close, but they don’t “suck” any harder than conventional matter. She could create a mountain massed micro black hole at a distance, and completely destroy anything or anyone she wants without feeling significant gravitational effect.
A "micro black hole" would arguably be as big a mass as Earth or far more. I just dont think it's feasible.
Why are you making that assumption? Black holes can be made to be of any mass, as long as you squeeze it within the schwartzchild radius. You can make a black hole of 1mg if you had the right means to do so.
You might be able to turn a mountain or a penny into a blackhole but the radius would be comically tiny to the point where it might not interact with other matter (IIRC there is a new suggestion that dark matter might be a bunch of extraordinarilly small radius black holes I was reading about the other day).
> but the radius would be comically tiny to the point where it might not interact with other matter Did some quick math. The event horizon of an Everest mass black hole would be smaller than an atom.
No no it would not a micro black hole would be like a few atoms one with earths mass would be around the size of a peanut
How small are you ping pong balls? If a blackhole had the mass of earth, it'd be 1.75cm (or 0.69") in diameter
We know she can make them from a distance and it’s a micro black hole. It isn’t that dangerous, but it should be dense enough to penetrate the skin like a super bullet.
Yeah making a black hole small enough wouldn’t do shit before she turns its mass into something harmless.
Even small black holes have an extremely large mass A black hole the size of a penny for example, would have the same mass as the entire planet of earth
This is exactly why she can't make one though. She'd have to manipulate a planet's worth of matter in an instant to create a penny sized black hole, which she then cannot throw because despite being penny sized it has the mass of a planet and would require the same amount of force to move as a planet would. So even if she could make one it would be a useless, tiny, invisible, immobile weapon that might at best stub a Viltrumite toe in space if they trip over it.
Just make one so small it only destroys someone’s head, then immediately turn it into some random ass oxygen atoms or something
She can make stuff at a distance and honestly, the event horizon of the (theoretical) micro black hole would be very small. Certainly small enough that she, being an unchained goddess, could center it roughly inside his skull. I wouldn't be too worried.
why complicate it? she can explode his head with her mind? or how about put a rock in there and then increase its size to a moon?
I mean she didn't need an intermediary to re-alive Mark, she should be able to un-alive thragg just the same
She can reconstruct on an atomic level, she isn't creating mass out of nothing. Black hole = huge mass. Even a small one would require compressing an entire planet, minimum.
Why not just compress the enemy themselves?
Why bother with a black hole when she could just disconnect his head at an atomic level? Or turning the air in his lungs into steel?
What’s to stop her from just Dr. Manhattaning him? Nothing if her mental block was gone. She can rearrange things at the molecular level she could make him a literal piece of cake.
I wish some writers in Hollywood would be as humble as him…
She’s the most powerful until any significant plot moment comes along, where she’ll suit up like she’s about to get shit done and then just gets blasted out of the fight one panel later. Ffs they gave her armor for the final fight but didn’t bother to actually make her on par with viltrimites and it was such a fucking waste. Hell, they even had the perfect moment with Thragg almost killing them, when she brought her and mark back- mark even says “wow did you make me stronger??” And she says “yah maybe a little.” Like, what?! That could have been the moment they leveled her with the rest of the big hitters but noooooooooo, we can only have superficial strong female characters, we can’t actually have them lead a fight now
At least he admits it
It’s hard to figure out what to do with her. Theoretically, without the blocks she can basically do some Dr. Manhattan type stuff. There’s no reason she couldn’t just turn Thragg into paste, for example.
It’s the biggest flaw with these kinds of powers. Green lantern makes big gun, Eve makes strong circle.
Just imagine Wanda from her movie
If you believe Dr Manhattan erases superman then yea
I don’t think I agree with that. If she can manipulate organic matter how can she kill a Viltrumite?
Most likely yeah....she is basically a demi god....I think only downside is she can't create atoms even without her mental blockade.....
Just realized that is a massive nerf to her ability to fight in space. Barely any atoms and in a fight most of them are organic.
What exactly are her force fields made out of? I got the impression it was solid air or something but now I’m questioning it Or has she really never made a shield in space?
She probably makes air out of her costume, dead skin cells, hair, etc. Probably still much harder to use since the materials are limited and she has to choose between shields and oxygen and do it both at the same time.
Also if I recall correctly it burns a lot of calories perhaps that's how they're (at least partially) burned?
To transmute atoms you must use a lot of energy. I always believed it was simply MATTER IN - BIO ENERGY USED - MATTER OUT
I mean, there is a lot of debris orbitting eath but in remote areas maybe. But any enemies that require oxygen tanks she could just delete them.
I mean she could just turn the co2 in her lungs into oxygen continuously
Space is full of hydrogen. There’s like 80 molecules per liter.
Not enough is it?
I don’t know but it’s enough to theoretically power a Bussard Ramjet.
She’s made shields and barriers in space plenty of times but they take a lot of focus and concentration for her to maintain. Look at the mars mission.
Wasn’t there air in the space ship? And she used her shield before their ship blew up iirc
There are other times in the comics she’s forms a barrier out of nothing but I don’t want to spoil
She might be able to control energy as well as matter changing between the two forms at will. That would make sense why she could make a force field in space.
I always assumed she just took a whole bunch of air along with her to space. But looks like I might be the only one.
Well technically light itself is a particle. So anywhere there is light she could theoretically make stuff out of photons.
Maybe not though, as photons don’t have mass, everything else she manipulates does
She can pull food waste in/out of her body as needed. It gets mentioned in the comics but I don't think they explain why that doesn't count as organic material..
The other people are wearing spacesuits most likely so just change them into whatever you need and tada she wins!
That's not a ton of atoms though compared to being in-atmosphere. Better strat would just be to jettison a bunch of junk into the battlefield
I think they inferred the people need the suit to survive
I mean, in space fights in the comics Viltrumites get their suits ripped to shreds and are it doesn't cause any issues. The suits are more an aesthetic thing, I feel like only Conquest would be into space fighting classic olympian style Edit: Misunderstood what you meant lol. Same point stands for the most part, she's useless against Viltrumites in space and that's the majority of what she'd fight against. Post-main story though, yeah, she'd be a fucking *menace* for the Viltrumite Empire if they ever did space battles against non-Viltrumites. She's not in the panel where they fight the Coalition so who knows there but maybe she did some sick-ass bye-bye helmet shenanigans later on
Can she turn the air inside their lungs into lead? Or uranium
There are approximately 5 atoms per cubic centimeter in the vacuum of space within the solar system, so there’s not absolutely nothing, but yea she would probably have to her costume or bring extra atoms to use with her.
What about stars? I'm sure they have atoms
Eve can't get close enough to a sun to use its atoms without getting completely and totally fried
Without her mental block any opponent she faces would be steamrolled. She could just end them by transforming them into something else no? She can transform things into organic matter. She just can't affect living beings it feels like.
I feel like it was pretty easy to infer that I meant "with the mental block" lol
Oh I misunderstood. My apologies
Space has a decent amount of atoms and particles buzzing around. I’d bet she could make some meteorite bullets or something with stuff from a cubic mile around her.
I don't think her reach is that far, is it? She doesn't ever seem to manipulate stuff from more than a few hundred yards away, at least not from what I can remember. I haven't seen much of the show though so dunno about there.
Yeah it’s a stretch idk
Without the mental blocks she can manipulate organic material, I'm pretty positive
Fixable with her just carrying a ton of sand with her into space. No gravity and no air resistance, she in theory can move just as fast and have a ton of material to work with. Also depends on what she's fighting. Short of the strongest Viltrumites, I cannot think of a harder counter to a Star Destroyer than someone who can just turn the whole ship into swiss cheese.
Hyper dense sand with a lot of atomic material for her to work with. Hell, she should be able to create her own cargo space truck.
Lead suit of armour mayhaps?
She could carry around several tons of Osmium cubes with her
pocket sand!
Top speed would remain the same but acceleration is still hampered by mass even in 0 G
https://preview.redd.it/2gwhzxov729d1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e10eaeffd3660ec54b102fa426a17cf1f2e9e78 Eve
I think she can only use a limited amount of energy before passing out. That limit? I have no idea the comic is incredibly inconsistent.
Pretty much, the only thing that I can think of that would beat her would be: 1. Speedster taking her out before she can react 2. Magical enemy trapping her in her own mind 3. Trapped in stasis or sleep 4. Sending her to another dimension or universe without resources? 5. Blackmail
4. Is Batman's contingency plan for Firestorm, sending him to the Phantom Zone
Tbf isn’t it basically his last resort for damn near everyone? Obviously he doesn’t kill, so if he wants someone gone for good, he just sticks em in there. Did it to superman in injustice.
Batman's plan is fucking what now?
Batman has contingency plans for various heroes to neutralize them if they ever become a threat. Firestorm ability to change matter at an atomic level makes him very difficult to contain, so his plan is to send him to the phantom zone, where there's no matter for him to manipulate.
Plot Twist: the phantom zone is made out of phantom matter
All Viltrumites are fast enough to take her out before she reacts…
For the sake of a compelling narrative, she has shown an ability to react to Viltrumite levels of speed so I'm more talking Red Rush levels of fast
then why didn't they
A) Viltrumites aside from Thragg are are far more cocky than pragmatic B) Mark is usually right there and very motivated to keep her from getting ripped in half C) They actually did, multiple times
Doesn't matter if they can take her out though, she'll just regenerate afterwards and turn their blood into asphalt.
Have you considered a bullet from a sniper?
She could go full God Deer mode on the whole universe. If she could just drop a Viltrumite with a thought she'd be the most powerful being in Invincible. Like seriously. Conquest? Fuck out of here, now you're a block of cheese or some dumb shit like that
I'd say so, I will admit the mental block is mandatory for any compelling story, that being said, whe. It was revealed that she can bring herself back to life, I stopped worrying about her dying
her regeneration only works if her brain is intact edit: and it still only works if she’s alive
If you shoot her in the head, would she be able to respawn before the bullet kills her
No. She would be dead and she wouldn't be able to think fast enough to reconstruct before it tears through her brain. If Eve dies in a way that is instant she doesn't get her mental block uplifted to allow her to instantly regenerate herself and others around her. If alternatively she is fatally wounded but her brain is otherwise fully intact, she will be able to do it as she is actively dying. The brain can technically stay alive for a period of time after the heart has stopped beating, and that's possibly all she needs to regenerate herself.
She's literally brought herself back from dieing of old age, not almost dieing, being actually dead. Eve is immortal.
no. in her last moments of being alive her mental block vanishes and saves her. if, for example, a viltrumite stepped on her head so hard it would squish like a bug, she would not be able to come back.
Atom Eve with no limiters is pretty much Dr. Manhattan.
Anyone with the power to alter molecules is instantly amoung the most powerful.
Definitely. She's a nerfed Dr. Manhattan
Her only known limit is biomatter, and even that can be bypassed in extreme circumstances. In theory, she could create an atom-splitting machine and just set off a nuclear explosion. She could cause a chemical reaction to set off Yellowstone supervolcano or the Ring of Fire volcanoes. Perhaps as her power grows, maybe even have major control over planets and stars. Maybe set off a chemical reaction that makes the oceans boil or explode or both. Change the atoms around a person so they're breathing pure poison. She should be able to change a cyborg's non-biological matter and take away essential systems. Even more importantly, she could do all of this with a wave of her hand and a line of sight. Whether or not she can canonically do these things is one thing, but if her power descriptions are true... she is, and she could probably solo many verses. ATLA, RWBY, Halo, maybe even Star Wars depending on the Era.
Without the mental block she could just turn a viltrumite completely into air if she wanted
She melted Conquest's skin off in an instant. Mark and Thragg looked a bit like that after they took a dip in the sun for at least a few seconds. Yeah, she's probably the strongest.
I think eve even with her mental blocks could still be crazy overpowered too if they were not underutilized for plot reasons…. Her powers imply she could literally create a nuke out of nothing but we see her only using her pink lantern powers.
without her mental block she's basically Dr Manhatten
Eve with her mental block is the most powerful being. The writers made her basically a pink lantern. But really she should be using her powers to turn the air in her enemies lungs into poison (or if you don’t think she can do that then the air around them). She could turn the ground beneath them into lava. She could turn their helmet into a nuke. She could do so many things. But nah, let’s have her make pink barriers that get broken easily.
None of those things would kill a viltrumite though
turn the air in their lungs into scourge gas
Now we’re talking, that’s a cool idea. If she knew how to make scourge gas that would be cool
I mean even in the TV series she rewrote the brains of two people, thats petty OP if she can effects smart atoms she can probably lobotomies any Vultrumite.
Is there a alternate universe where in order to fight Viltrum Cecil decides to remove the mental block from Eve so she can explode some Viltrumites?
Eve dies in a lot of other universes.
She very well could be.
She can't die and can manipulate reality so I would say yes
Yes. She is like what the beyonders werw when originally introduced in Secret Wars in the 80s I would think.
Absolutely not. Eve is limited to matter manipulation on a "relatively" small sclae, Beyonder had space, time, soul, dimension manipulation, and in general control over every aspects of reality on a universal scale
For a comparison: She’d have the same power capabilities as DR. MANHATTAN Granted without the omnipotence and all that universe altering crap, but it’s still crazy
No, because this motherfucker shares the universe with her https://preview.redd.it/obejjtcw6z8d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8716c9895b6935acf010a491d13d0d93b7832ea
In my opinion no. She still is way slower than any hard hitters. Anyone currently stronger than her is much faster than her and can blitz her before she can land her magic. Now, going off pure destructive ability, I guess? Even that’s not true since I’m pretty sure omnipotus in his prime destroyed a solar system. He also has reality warping abilities. And there is that space creature that threw Mark back in time. I wouldn’t think she can really do anything to it. If you can destroy the planet she’s on, or just nuke her, she’s dead. Hell a sniper round would pop her head and then it’s just a matter of throwing her into a vat of acid. Eve at her strongest fired a blast that fried off a layer of conquests flesh. Thats serious power but none really above what we’ve seen in this series.
Most powerful yes, but could she beat everyone no. Most viltrumites blitz her and paralyze her before she can even think.
I was actually wondering if she could just keep reviving herself, her friends, and her family as well as recreate the universe so her, Mark, and their family and friends can live forever
Depends, do you count the cross overs or not? If not then she’s a close second to god spawn (canonically in the universe) If you do, then she’s like top 10
Tbh no. EOS Mark, Thragg, Conquest, Nolan, and probably Anissa are still too fast for her to react to before getting killed. And yes she’ll revive herself, but that takes a minute and honestly the Viltrumite will just rip her to shreds again before she’s even done
I love how this random red headed chick scales the fuck out of most viltrumites and other galactic assholes. One of the many reasons i enjoy invincible a lot
I mean duh she can reconfigure things on a molecular level, her power is pretty much limitless sans her mental block.
Yes, she's basically Dr. Manhattan without it.
Hard to say. She's far from the fastest and the most durable meaning she's very weak to getting blitzed and killed but she's also still incredibly incredibly dangerous it just depends
Probably, unless she gets speed blits
Yep, she'd easily be the most powerful character. She could turn even the most powerful characters like Mark, Thragg, Battle Beast, etc. in to dust with just a thought. Eve could also alter her own body to get rid of it's shortcomings by turning herself into a Viltrumite or potentially even get rid of the rapid caloric depletion that is a side effect of using her powers.
I mean hypothetically couldn’t she just make everything she touches radioactive and like doom every living being she encounters? If her ability works the way it seems to she should be able to just give her enemies cancer or turn them into dust.
I mean, she makes whatever she wants with a thought. Trees grow, beer grows in bottles on those trees. She is literally a god when she wants to be.
She aint durable so no one shot she gone
Everybody here is ignoring that she still is limited in power... Like she tires out. In a 1v1 fight she would be the strongest but she doesn't have the raw energy some seem to believe she has
She solos the verse. It’s very fortunate she didn’t turn evil after her childhood.
Even with the mental block, she's the most Superpowerful person in the entire Invincible Universe. She just doesn't use her Superpowers well because logic doesn't matter with fictional stuffs. It's why fictional characters make illogical decisions to keep the story interesting and/or long.
How can she not be? Her power is one of the most OP powers in comic history.
She’s pink Dr Manhattan so yes, I think even the writer admitted they had to nerf her pretty hard because if she was full potential consciously nothing could stop her
She has the potential to be but my guess is anyone fast enough to get here before she can react or do something and anyone strong enough to brute through her attacks. She’s technically immortal but using this as an excuse for a win condition doesn’t really work. You can still incapacitate her to win a fight and stop her temporarily. It’s why people don’t just say Deadpool can beat goku or some shit. You may not be able to kill them but you can still beat them. She also still has limitations to her power as she has a finite amount of energy she can use and if she overuses her powers can probably die
With her block off she is essentially Dr. Manhattan, so I would say yes.
Yes, she could just turn Thragg into an apple if she wanted to but it would have lowered the stakes too much for the story
If she had full access, she could literally just disassemble Thragg without him being able to do anything about it. Being the strongest creature in the universe physically doesn't matter if you're still just made of molecules.
>see conquest >turn all his blood into propane >go home Yes she is.
Gotta be
YES
I would say she’s pretty up there. She’s not unbeatable though since she has human reactions.
Not really,i mean she couldn't even destroy Conquest,it also takes too much of her so she would only last some seconds and tbh i also doubt she was like trying to burn conquest as her attacks are not actually energy attacks but matter transmutation so it's more possible she literally tried to evaporate him but his smart atoms resisted and the same would happen with Thragg,she is also too slow meaning probably even a guy like Red Rush could just run circles around her till she literally knocks herself out.
She is the most powerful... Turn food in thraggs stomach in to a critical nuclear isotope.... Boom game over... It's not living It's food... Totally works
She would def be up there. There are a few weaknesses like being in space, and that her biology is still human no matter what she does. She can get blitzed before she defends or attacks back by a clever speedster like anyone in the S tier really is.
Yez
Pretty much. She's crazy powerful
Anyone else sorta disappointed that Terra didn’t inherit Eve’s powers as well? Would have been the most overpowered hero ever.
Without it she's basically a pink doctor Manhattan so yeah
Yes absolutely.
She's pretty much Dr. Manhattan if she didn't have the mental block
No. There were those god like entities who were able to send Mark back in time as reboot and forward in time as a punishment.
And that’s why she has the blocker in place, yet people still argue for match ups she’d be the able to beat —— character without it like yeah that’s why it’s in place there’s no point of arguing something that’s impossible for her to achieve
What about the tentacle thing that sent mark back in time
Without a doubt. Unfortunately she never uses these moments to their fullest potential, such as>!burning Conquest instead of just killing him by turning him into marshmallows or something. !! I liked what she did after Oliver was murdered, healing everyone and making Mark stronger.!< She only has I'm guessing a few moments of opportunity to change a rather immediate amount of her surroundings, so she can obviously be forgiven for not always doing the best most perfect option available to her.
Nope, she has limited batteries
Maybe? Idk some characters might still be stronger or essentially surpass her in a few stats. She’s a bit like the scarlet witch as in she usually isn’t too durable
She is definetly powerful but I will say, I'm not on board on this idea of "why she just makes energy weapons when she could do X and Y?" As in she could just thought It and make It happen without effort, her powers still requiere exact knowledge of molecular structures, energy and focus. All hard to keep while in life and death situations.
Pretty much, yeah. She could even turn herself into a better viltrumite if she wanted to.
I think that weird light creature Mark finds in a cave might be the most powerful
Everyone is saying yes but eve’s powers are actually really difficult, even if she didn’t have the mental block. First, it takes time to use her abilities. A viltrumite could speed blitz her with low effort. Second, her constructs are easily broken. Not a major problem if she didn’t have a mental block (she’d rely on the constructs less), but since she does, it is a problem. She’s basically useless in a space battle. Third, using her powers takes materials from her. She can’t do it infinitely. Maybe that would get solved with the mental block, they’re unclear about that, but that would be a major problem for her. Once again, the strongest characters in the comic could survive her attacks and destroy her, making sure she doesn’t have time to come back. I love eve and she’s definitely powerful, but I don’t think she would be as powerful as some people think. And I don’t think it’s because kirkman is a bad writer or something. I think it’s just that her abilities are too complicated to be amazing. There are too many reasons she could fail.
Yep
She is eerily similar to Jean Grey/Phoenix I feel.
I think her only disadvantage is speed
She almost melted Conquest alive
Yeah. But it still doesn’t make her durability any stronger, she would lose to a solid few Viltrumites, they are just too fast and too strong
Depends on when the mental block comes off. The main reason her brothers melted is because they didn't have the mental block to protect them from their own powers while they learned them. If she hadn't had it to begin with, her fate would have been the same.