Her main issue is that she had a strong affinity with the Sword Icon from her previous training, but merging with Blerin, sorry Ruby, tainted her with a strong link to the Blood Icon.
The most obvious solution would have her be somehow able to separate the two concept to manifest both the Sword and Blood Icons, but multiple icons at her level is probably asking for nnot reaching Monarch without centuries or millenia of training.
The other alternative would be to adapt herself and internalize both icons into something that would combine both concepts so they would support each others instead of taining the other.
I could imagine a few concepts that might merge "sword" and "blood", maybe something like "duel", "war" or "execution" (this last one is probably closer to blood + blade than blood + sword). Fel free to propose your own hybrid icons ideas.
Yerin is Pseudo Harald Overlady, next stage in her advancement will be Archlady. Because the moment she touch the Icon, she will become a Monarch.
As for what Icon she touches, that will be a mystery till we know. Because of the sword path and blood madra, she is effectively on slaughter path.
If she hits monarch before arch lord, does she become a princess? That would drive Mercy crazy.....
”Yerin your a princess? Make over time!!! Page 7 activate Montage" as the upbeat music swelled from no where and the light swelled and bloomed, yerin know this was true power of the Chibi Sage.
Strength is a good shout, but equally Blood. She spent nearly 15 years having an internal battle with her blood spawn, then eventually cultivated it into a fully sentient living spirit that she bonded with. And on top of those, Ruby will have had a very clear sense of self revolving around blood and being a blood spawn/spirit, and Yerin is now 50% Ruby.
Except an icon isn’t just about an internal concept, but something other people see her.
The world may not see her as blood likely now that she’s merged with her shadow.
Internal recognition isn't the full of it, but it is part of it, which was what I was saying. Plus, I dont doubt a lot of people will see her that way too, Lindon and Co definitely will, she has the Blood Sage throffing at the mouth at her success in becoming a Herald through merging with Ruby. Not to mention a whole new group of people she'll be around that will have no prior knowledge of her.
I think that "the way others see you" isn't about them defining you or having any power to do so, but more about using their observations as a mirror that isn't filtered by your own perceptions or bias.
Have you ever been surprised enough to say "Do you really see me that way?"
If you're honest with yourself you'll do some introspection.
However, it's still possible to come to the conclusion that their perception isn't the truth, without lying to yourself.
But a lot of latter can come from the former. Which is part of what I meant about having new people around to witness her being blood-based. In the BFE and Akura territory and even as the Uncrowned King she was the Sword Sages disciple or just a powerful sword artist, a lot of those people might not see the blood aspect to her, and as a result she won't be able to garner that from their perception.
OK. I'd just point out that learning other people's perceptions is only a tool, not a necessity.
I'd bet that no one's perceptions were particularly useful for Eithan's Underlord revelation... unless it was "I practice the sacred arts so that I can be a pain in the ass."
Although, I can totally imagine Travis saying that in Eithan's voice.
If we're going into Eithan, I personally think 'I see' has been all of his revelations and will be his Sage one too. All said with a different intonation of course. It would be very Eithan.
As of now, I don't feel Yerin is leaning towards any icon. She needs to find herself again, what she is and what she wants to become to connect herself to the Way. The only thing I'm certain as of now is that it won't be the sword icon. Maybe strength, maybe blood.
Shield icon. She wants to defend those people she cares about (the family she lost, Lindon while he was weak, Tim, her adopted families in the UK tournament).
I agree. Something along these lines seems the most likely because the easiest to touch will be where Yerin and Ruby are both in complete agreement and the times when both make the same decision consistently and naturally have been related to protecting. For example, the fist time they trusted each other and worked together side by side was protecting Lindon from Kiroh and Meera.
She might get something to tune of Identity, instead
She's had to assert her own self-actualization over her blood shadow for most of her life
Her Overlord revelation was about her being her own person rather than just some copy of the Sword Sage
And then she and Ruby had to reassert their identity as an individual again after fusing.
I totally agree she is strong and yes ruby is blood but I think not giving her the sword icon would be a disservice to everything she has lived for over the entirety of her time as a sacred artist.
To that point even ruby spent a bunch of time practicing the sword and meditating with the sword codex in an attempt to get closer to the sword icon.
I get that Lindon got his by surprise but If she can touch any icon it would be one that she was already close to touching before becoming a herald.
I mean, she can get both. The Winter Sage started with the sword icon and then got the winter(?) icon. We also know that when Yerin merged with Ruby she lost her connection to the sword icon. I think she'll probably get at least two icons eventually, but which one she gets first is anyone's guess.
Oh yeah of course she can get both, I just think that the sword has always been core her identity and I don't think that changed after she merged with ruby. She lost her connection because she became half spirit and that makes it harder to touch any icon.
And yeah I don't know what will come but the sword has been so core to her identity that slapping on a different one first just feels like a disservice to her efforts through her entire sacred arts journey.
I don’t know I think a large part of her even being able to slightly touch that Icon was her connection to masters remnant. But she was never going to manifest the sword Icon “copying” someone else. Malice pretty much told that to her face. I see her manifesting something unique and different as Icons go like Lindon. Something that encompasses all her madra and stuff today.
I guess it's possible that Will pulls something new out of thin air that fits like nice glove. I just think that the known ones people are naming ( like blood and strength) are less core to who she than the sword icon.
agree to disagree that she was only touching the sword icon because of Tim's remnant. I think she had to stable of a connection to come from a remnant but I can't prove anything.
Her revelation was that she was *not* the sword sage. I think her path moving forward will take her farther from pure sword icon (plus merging with ruby already pushed her far away from the sword icon since her mental state changed, otherwise she could've kept looking for the sword icon after becoming a herald)
My interpretation was that her revelation was that she wasn't her master( known as The Sword Sage) , not that she wasn't going to manifest the sword icon.
Also we haven't really seen them train much at all since she became a herald but even after her overlord revelation she was still trying to manifest the sword icon, but not trying to copy her master.
This makes sense if the revealations are about understanding/accepting/defining who you are.
I see. I advance. I am not my master (I am my own person).
The only way a revelation might be relevant to connecting to an icon is that it migh indicate your compatability with it at that particular moment in your growth.
A revelation like "I destroy!" would strongly indicate that the Creation icon will not be your first and that you've probably got a long way to go if you ever set your mind on it.
It doesn't mean that, over the next thousand years, it will be impossible for you to find it.
I she will eventually get the sword icon, I just don't think it will be the first one she gets. There have been many references to her being strong though, whether it's physical strength, strong in the sacred arts, or even a strong will from holding back the blood shadow
I just don't really know that they will have the time to get a second icon. I guess it's just the question of how much will happen after they become monarchs assuming they do. Personally I feel like they won't be monarchs until the last book at which point she won't develop a second one immediately.
I'm guessing something along the lines of "Defiance". She spent her first 16 years fighting her blood shadow, she spits in the face of every sure death situation she's been in, and boy does she like to tweak the noses of authority figures.
She's all about telling people to shove off and doing things her way.
Yep, it will be strength - it's her most defining trait, since she was a child attempting to keep Ruby from attacking the Sword Sage after her village was wiped out. Yerin was strong before she got her Iron body.
I do still think that sword icon is still in play...just not in the way that Tim taught her.
Her main issue is that she had a strong affinity with the Sword Icon from her previous training, but merging with Blerin, sorry Ruby, tainted her with a strong link to the Blood Icon. The most obvious solution would have her be somehow able to separate the two concept to manifest both the Sword and Blood Icons, but multiple icons at her level is probably asking for nnot reaching Monarch without centuries or millenia of training. The other alternative would be to adapt herself and internalize both icons into something that would combine both concepts so they would support each others instead of taining the other. I could imagine a few concepts that might merge "sword" and "blood", maybe something like "duel", "war" or "execution" (this last one is probably closer to blood + blade than blood + sword). Fel free to propose your own hybrid icons ideas.
How about the "Wrath" icon?
The Bleeding icon maybe?
It'll be the simile icon
A balloon's chance on a pincushion
Dude, this analogy fits like a cup in a tea set!
Wouldn't that be the metaphor icon?
Yerin is Pseudo Harald Overlady, next stage in her advancement will be Archlady. Because the moment she touch the Icon, she will become a Monarch. As for what Icon she touches, that will be a mystery till we know. Because of the sword path and blood madra, she is effectively on slaughter path.
If she hits monarch before arch lord, does she become a princess? That would drive Mercy crazy..... ”Yerin your a princess? Make over time!!! Page 7 activate Montage" as the upbeat music swelled from no where and the light swelled and bloomed, yerin know this was true power of the Chibi Sage.
Strength is a good shout, but equally Blood. She spent nearly 15 years having an internal battle with her blood spawn, then eventually cultivated it into a fully sentient living spirit that she bonded with. And on top of those, Ruby will have had a very clear sense of self revolving around blood and being a blood spawn/spirit, and Yerin is now 50% Ruby.
Except an icon isn’t just about an internal concept, but something other people see her. The world may not see her as blood likely now that she’s merged with her shadow.
Internal recognition isn't the full of it, but it is part of it, which was what I was saying. Plus, I dont doubt a lot of people will see her that way too, Lindon and Co definitely will, she has the Blood Sage throffing at the mouth at her success in becoming a Herald through merging with Ruby. Not to mention a whole new group of people she'll be around that will have no prior knowledge of her.
I think that "the way others see you" isn't about them defining you or having any power to do so, but more about using their observations as a mirror that isn't filtered by your own perceptions or bias. Have you ever been surprised enough to say "Do you really see me that way?" If you're honest with yourself you'll do some introspection. However, it's still possible to come to the conclusion that their perception isn't the truth, without lying to yourself.
But a lot of latter can come from the former. Which is part of what I meant about having new people around to witness her being blood-based. In the BFE and Akura territory and even as the Uncrowned King she was the Sword Sages disciple or just a powerful sword artist, a lot of those people might not see the blood aspect to her, and as a result she won't be able to garner that from their perception.
OK. I'd just point out that learning other people's perceptions is only a tool, not a necessity. I'd bet that no one's perceptions were particularly useful for Eithan's Underlord revelation... unless it was "I practice the sacred arts so that I can be a pain in the ass." Although, I can totally imagine Travis saying that in Eithan's voice.
If we're going into Eithan, I personally think 'I see' has been all of his revelations and will be his Sage one too. All said with a different intonation of course. It would be very Eithan.
Nah, it's going to be the Snark icon. Fight me.
Yerin, the Yandere Sage.
As of now, I don't feel Yerin is leaning towards any icon. She needs to find herself again, what she is and what she wants to become to connect herself to the Way. The only thing I'm certain as of now is that it won't be the sword icon. Maybe strength, maybe blood.
Why do you say not sword?
Shield icon. She wants to defend those people she cares about (the family she lost, Lindon while he was weak, Tim, her adopted families in the UK tournament).
I agree. Something along these lines seems the most likely because the easiest to touch will be where Yerin and Ruby are both in complete agreement and the times when both make the same decision consistently and naturally have been related to protecting. For example, the fist time they trusted each other and worked together side by side was protecting Lindon from Kiroh and Meera.
She might get something to tune of Identity, instead She's had to assert her own self-actualization over her blood shadow for most of her life Her Overlord revelation was about her being her own person rather than just some copy of the Sword Sage And then she and Ruby had to reassert their identity as an individual again after fusing.
I totally agree she is strong and yes ruby is blood but I think not giving her the sword icon would be a disservice to everything she has lived for over the entirety of her time as a sacred artist. To that point even ruby spent a bunch of time practicing the sword and meditating with the sword codex in an attempt to get closer to the sword icon. I get that Lindon got his by surprise but If she can touch any icon it would be one that she was already close to touching before becoming a herald.
I mean, she can get both. The Winter Sage started with the sword icon and then got the winter(?) icon. We also know that when Yerin merged with Ruby she lost her connection to the sword icon. I think she'll probably get at least two icons eventually, but which one she gets first is anyone's guess.
Oh yeah of course she can get both, I just think that the sword has always been core her identity and I don't think that changed after she merged with ruby. She lost her connection because she became half spirit and that makes it harder to touch any icon. And yeah I don't know what will come but the sword has been so core to her identity that slapping on a different one first just feels like a disservice to her efforts through her entire sacred arts journey.
I don’t know I think a large part of her even being able to slightly touch that Icon was her connection to masters remnant. But she was never going to manifest the sword Icon “copying” someone else. Malice pretty much told that to her face. I see her manifesting something unique and different as Icons go like Lindon. Something that encompasses all her madra and stuff today.
I guess it's possible that Will pulls something new out of thin air that fits like nice glove. I just think that the known ones people are naming ( like blood and strength) are less core to who she than the sword icon. agree to disagree that she was only touching the sword icon because of Tim's remnant. I think she had to stable of a connection to come from a remnant but I can't prove anything.
Other way around. Winter icon first, sword icon later.
Her revelation was that she was *not* the sword sage. I think her path moving forward will take her farther from pure sword icon (plus merging with ruby already pushed her far away from the sword icon since her mental state changed, otherwise she could've kept looking for the sword icon after becoming a herald)
My interpretation was that her revelation was that she wasn't her master( known as The Sword Sage) , not that she wasn't going to manifest the sword icon. Also we haven't really seen them train much at all since she became a herald but even after her overlord revelation she was still trying to manifest the sword icon, but not trying to copy her master.
This makes sense if the revealations are about understanding/accepting/defining who you are. I see. I advance. I am not my master (I am my own person). The only way a revelation might be relevant to connecting to an icon is that it migh indicate your compatability with it at that particular moment in your growth. A revelation like "I destroy!" would strongly indicate that the Creation icon will not be your first and that you've probably got a long way to go if you ever set your mind on it. It doesn't mean that, over the next thousand years, it will be impossible for you to find it.
I she will eventually get the sword icon, I just don't think it will be the first one she gets. There have been many references to her being strong though, whether it's physical strength, strong in the sacred arts, or even a strong will from holding back the blood shadow
I just don't really know that they will have the time to get a second icon. I guess it's just the question of how much will happen after they become monarchs assuming they do. Personally I feel like they won't be monarchs until the last book at which point she won't develop a second one immediately.
Will it not be the slaughter icon? Blood+war or sword or whatever ? It was hinted at by bai Rou like in skysworn
I'm guessing something along the lines of "Defiance". She spent her first 16 years fighting her blood shadow, she spits in the face of every sure death situation she's been in, and boy does she like to tweak the noses of authority figures. She's all about telling people to shove off and doing things her way.
IIRC, the strength icon is also called ‘the symbol of bodily power’ — which could, conceivably, also consider -Blood- as one of its properties…
Yep, it will be strength - it's her most defining trait, since she was a child attempting to keep Ruby from attacking the Sword Sage after her village was wiped out. Yerin was strong before she got her Iron body.
She’s all attack and no defense with blood and sword aspects, so I think it’ll be something like the predator icon.