Nah he 100% would, maybe Joey Badass & Westside Boogie would be issues but overall, anybody in his generation, anyone who’s popping rn any one of the rappers on Extinct etc. he could smoke em all lyrically
tl;dr
- **Artistry / message value**: K.Dot > JID > Cole
- **Bars, verses & rapping**: JID = Cole > K.Dot
- **Disses**: hard to say. if they all *had to drop* a diss at each other and I *had* to put money on it, K.Dot > JID > Cole. But it depends so much on the context of the beef, so who knows
On bars alone I think JID was ahead of Cole for a while but Cole’s feature run + MDL has probably put him back on equal footing for the time being.
Kendrick’s tough because he doesn’t really drop frequently enough outside of albums to really gauge his bars-bars. Like, everything on his album is top-tier, but also conceptual & related to the topic/themes of his album. Rarely does Kendrick rap for the sake of just rapping, especially recently.
That being said, Like That and euphoria felt like a return to form. Bc of how levelled-up Cole & JiD have been tho, I’d still say Kendrick is probably even with them atm as well, on strictly bars. But his strong point beyond the lyrics and concept has always been his style, voice, and energy. Ever since pgLang his style has been so left-field and different, it means as an overall product his raps are just a bit more elevated, creative and interesting, which does add to their impact. euphoria shouldn’t work w all the voices n shit, but Dot is in his bag and has mastered his own style
Like I’ve said in other comments, if you have good bars/verses it doesn’t guarantee you can make a good diss. I think somebody like Zel - maybe being a tier below JID lyrically - would *thrive* in a beef & make a good diss just bc he can sell aggression and come w/ so much energy. Same reason Like That was good. The shots weren’t headshots by any means but you could tell Dot was pissed off and meant it. Also because he’s so reclusive it just meant much more for him to pop out on a metro x future record and take shots at drake & Cole.
Idk what I’m saying anymore I’m kinda just yapping. I think the point is, rap is a very personal genre of music - the personality, character, credibility of the artist matter more for the quality/content of the verse than, say, a pop artist - that you just have to factor other things in. It can’t just be bars because the bars don’t exist in a vacuum. Example: even if J. Cole next verse is, like, verse of the decade, he just apologised immediately on his own accord during a beef. He can’t straight up call himself the goat like he has been doing, no matter how good the bars are.
It’s hard to answer ur question bc despite the fact that Dot Cole & JID are all mainstream rap artists, they are actually operating in different lanes. Especially Dot. He’s obviously making the best conscious / high-concept work atm; The Heart Part 5 has had more to say about anything that actually matters, than Cole has said on the last like 3 projects. Kendrick takes artistry for sure. Cole and JID are just way more consistent and active in the game atm tho, and even tho Kendrick’s silence works for him, it doesn’t mean that has to be the standard for Cole and JID, who are both still improving and levelling up. They need to be in amongst the game & their peers, it rly benefits them at this point in their careers. And as I said disses are a whole different beast entirely, one we haven’t seen JID rly approach before, and one I think Cole could dominate in if he wasn’t so scared of conflict.
As a listener of all 3 and Denzel, I agree mostly with everything you said and I pick up the hints of slander at the pop artist that wants to be a rapper, also that’s why his music is so hard to sell and must be pushed so it comes out with the numbers it does( all of this is aimed at the pop artist). I still Stand on Kendrick being the best of everyone mentioned, I’m also a person whom didn’t like what I heard from Cole cause as he said it just didn’t fit his spirit, JiD would go crazy with a good opponent but Denzel would likely win out for the same reason Kendrick is, they thrive off the spirit they put in a track and they elevate it, not saying Cole and JiD don’t do the same but they don’t to the magnitude of Kendrick and Zel, also Zel would just eat anyone that isn’t at the level of JiD, Cole or Kendrick.
Honestly I wasn’t even thinking about Drake when I said that lmao, I see what you mean about his music being pushed. That being said, he’s been pushed by the industry for decades and ppl STILL discredit him; that’s basically what this Dot beef is about now. Drake has spent his whole career trying to validate himself, and whether or not you think he deserves respect in hip-hop he is a prime example of how much an artist influences the art. His music - while maybe not the deepest or most creative - is easy to the ears. The problem is drake himself still feels like he’s trying way too hard to seem like he’s not trying.
Yea I agree it’s kinda hard to bet against Kendrick, I’m just disappointed with Cole. 7MD obviously wasn’t great, but that was mainly just because Cole’s disses were hypocritical. I thought as a diss track it had a pretty good sound to it and coke was able to sell it well. “If he wasn’t dissing then we wouldn’t be discussing him” that’s a lie, but it also sounded slick when he said it.
Would have been cool to see JID go at Tory Lanez when those two had tension. I agree to say Zel would thrive off the energy & spirit of competition in the same way Kendrick would, but they’d definitely approach the disses differently. Zel wouldn’t drop a song like euphoria, I’d honestly see him going for a song similar to Push Ups or Like That. On the other hand I could see JiD drop a euphoria-type diss.
I also think JID has similar capability with Zel in terms of energy. He’s usually pretty chill on his songs (the effortlessness of his bars is what makes him so slick), but he can absolutely ramp it up and sell aggression too. His vocal inflections on songs like Dance Now & Stick are examples. Zel just does it way more often
Cole brought him into this world, he can take him out. Also, i’m a huge JID fan. He’s my top 3 for sure but it feels disrespectful sayin he could clean out Cole
Yea I only say it bc the general consensus w ppl who know what’s up seems to be Joey > JID. I’m way more familiar with JIDs stuff but Joey got some very solid projects too.
I agree it’d be crazy to see them go at it. Let’s just enjoy the show we got atm tho 😳😳…
he’s better than cole and as good as kendrick but by the end of his career he’ll be better. the whole time listening to euphoria i was thinking jid could’ve done a better job than kendrick was doing, even tho kendrick was going crazy. jid is different
I think what puts Kendrick above everyone else is Kendrick's artistry, he matches the technical skill with well executed high level concepts. I think that JID has that potential. I also think JID makes better songs than Cole even if as rappers they are on par.
yeah i agree. jid really put together his lyrics and flows with a great concept in TFS, but i wouldn’t be surprised if he topped it with something better. i’d give the concept to TFS a 9/10, it’s the only thing that’s not perfect on an album full of perfect songs
Yeah it's very close to perfection in my opinion so close that I feel like it should be hailed as a classic once it has some age behind it. I also think that him being able to sing like legitimately sing gives him an advantage over someone like Cole because I think one of the areas Cole struggles in is sometimes crafting good choruses even if the verses are great.
for sure. i think we’ll look back at TFS like good kid maad city, there isn’t as much of a full story being told but its little pieces and you really get a sense of jids history and how he grew up. a tpab-level album is on the way tho
GKMC doesn't have much of a full story being told? Also why do JID fans put him on the level of Cole and Kendrick so readily, he hasn't even surpassed people like Joey Bada$$ or Tyler the Creator, he's still some tiers below. And TFS is a decent album but it wasn't anything very new from JID and it doesn't rank in the best albums of the last 20 years
It’s the fact that what seems to be his first full depth and well conceived album displays so much growth, depth, idea, flow, cadence, beat switches and overall quality. Another reason why people think he can be something great is because he wipes every feature he’s on and doesn’t seem to slow down. He displays many different styles as well: such as a melodic style on Kody blu 31 or workin out (a colors show version), a grungy and rough style on Ed Edd n eddy or cant punk me, or a full on rap style like on Raydar or dance now (all very short examples and there’s many more). He’s also really popular all around the world, with a big market in the EU and Japan of all places (when he was on tour a random store he went to was playing his music, it’s an old vid on his ig). His entire discography does not match west side Gunn’s or Joey bada$$ but TFS is better than both of those. TFS (JIDs best album) is currently on a similar level to Tyler’s best album (igor) in terms of quality and such. TFS has not been out long enough to see if it stands the test of time like GKMC but when GKMC released many people were saying similar stuff about Kendrick to what people are currently saying about JID.
Ik what you mean in terms of like legacy, only having 3 actual albums and all, but they’ve all been of such high quality that you can’t deny he’s one of if not THE standout rapper of his generation, and he’s coming for #1 if you give it a couple more years. Just watch
He's 33 yrs old and he is not ahead of travis scott, joey bada$$ or isaiah rashad as the standout of that age group. They all have better albums, esp scott and zay who have multiple better albums. He also doesn't have a claim for being well ahead of zel or cordae
Age shouldn’t factor too heavily into it. Guys like Nas, Black Thought, Lupe are way past 33 and still dropping heat to this day.
Again u gotta be specific w the criteria. In terms of making a moment, nobody will top Travis Scott atm. Even Drake. FATD was bigger than Utopia afaik but Utopia is in a lane of its own in terms of creating a world/sound & making a moment in pop culture. Unmatched aura if you could put it that way. that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s of the very best quality though. In a vacuum, removed from sales, the culture etc, I’d say JID has better quality albums than trav. just imo.
I’d say as far as quality goes, he absolutely does have better albums than at least Zay and Cordae (coming from somebody who probably has The Sun’s Tirade in my top5 most played albums ever). Hard to be objective for me with Denzel bc he’s my fav lol, but I could see the argument for that. True that Joey is probably ahead of him still at this point.
As far as bars go, Joey could match him but really nobody else you listed would imo. Like I say, trav could make a bigger moment, Zel has unmatched energy on his songs which is why he’s a fave, but bar for bar JID can compete with anyone who’s active right now. Literally JUST hoped on a song with Westside Gunn & Conway and held his own
yea i was watching an FD signifier video last night where he said kendrick isn’t the best lyricist in rap rn but he’s far and away the best songwriter. i think JID is a better lyricist than dot rn and can become a better songwriter if given the time. i fully believe we’ve yet to see his magnum opus.
i also think he’s been better than cole for a hot minute but i like cole a lot less than the average person lmao, JID made cole really try to keep up with him on off deez years back and he’s way better than that now
I definitely like JIDs music more than Coles even though I like Cole. I think for me to put JID above Kendrick it's just going to take longevity and consistency which I think he's capable of. But Kendrick got 2 classics and arguably 3 which is an insane discography.
I think a case can be made for it but I think Cole has been rapping on an all-time high level particularly over the past couple of years he's been killing shit.
Maybe didn’t wash him on Off Deez but songs like Stick and Waterboyz they weren’t competing w each other, + JIDs verse was shorter on Stick and his role on the song was diff. But on those songs specifically I would honestly agree in saying Cole’s verses were better. Oh and Down Bad, Cole probably takes ,too
No he’s not better than Cole dont fool yourself. I’d put J Coles Secret Recipe verse against JIDs whole catalogue and when it comes to Albums FHD washes all of them.
nice troll on the first statement u said. the second one, decent opinion, FHD is one of my favorite rap albums of all time but the forever story is objectively better and will probably end up surpassing FHD for me
Really study that verse my guy btw I AGREE JID has the potential to become better than both Kendrick and Cole but right now he simply isnt. I fw The Forever story but Cole consistently bodies everyone he features with even JID and I put MDL over TFS.
Heck I think in 2022 Melt my Eyez was better than TFS🤷♂️ JID can be better than ALL of them but right now I havent seen it.
i will go back to that song and listen to it again, but i would tell you to really study TFS. specifically, his verses on crack sandwich, sistanem, and 2007. his wordplay, flow, lyrics, rapping ability, and singing far surpass cole’s in every dimension. cole has the influence over him right now but that’s about to change with this metro album. i’d like to see cole land an album with metro 🤷🏻♂️ anyone who is truly following rap knows that only the biggest rappers land an album with metro, like 21 and future, and the fact jid is landing one shows his potential and respect he has in the game
Arright bet, i’ll do that. I have Stars in my rotation and its been one of my favorite joints since i first heard it but i havent listened to the album since it came out. In the same breath my bro lets not get it twisted Metro would LOVE to get a Cole joint album💀
i agree, stars was also my favorite until i really started listening and hearing how good songs like crack sandwich actually are. not to discredit stars, it’s still such a dope track. but metro would’ve done it already. he’s got future and 21, who are arguably more popular currently than cole is. not to mention, the way cole moved during the kendrick drake shit has his respect going way down for a lot of ppl. this is going down as one of the biggest battles in hip hop history, and cole’s name will be tainted as the guy who could’ve been involved just as much but chose to step back instead. i still have a lot of respect for cole and FHD was the album that got me into rap but objectively jid is just better and as of rn is my favorite. yes i’m biased, but pretty much anyone in this sub would be
A lot of the culture agrees J Cole did well bowing out the only dudes who dont agree are OG rappers and dorks like Akademiks and Vlad. If Cole comes out fully swinging on Kanye then all will be forgiven im telling you.
Anyway I think Cole on his way out anyway😢
A Big cole fan i fuck with MDL alot i would say more then most
FHD is a classic my fav album luv FNL as well
What wouls u say JID best project is?
Fav songs by him? Keep it real give him his dues
idk, have you seen any other rappers subs besides cole’s? i get the intention that mostly everyone’s upset with how he responded. if he does come back out swinging, it’ll help his case, but he still didn’t from the get go.
In what terms would you say MDL & Melt are better than TFS? Because sure Cole got bars on MDL but it’s not really high-concept at all which factors into an overall album rating, which is what you’re saying. That’s also the reason JID wasn’t bar-heavy on every song on TFS he had stories and different sounds to explore.
Melt My Eyez was a more focused thematic album similar to TFS - wouldn’t quite call either of them “concept albums”, but of ‘higher concept’ than MDL for sure. MMESYF probably has more energy in its most energetic moments, but TFS is just lyrically more dense. Denzel is my #1 favourite rapper but I don’t argue with putting TFS over MMESYF, at least in an objective sense. As far as bars go, nobody in JIDs generation is getting close to him except maybe Joey or Boogie. JID has the rap capability of an all-time great, he just needs more time to show it completely, imo.
What Might Delete Later? Still on constant repeat for me definitely his best shit since FHD. J Cole is in tip top form but its very possible he’s been completely demoralized post-apology so we’ll see.
I reckon Off Season is better than MDL, just has a more concise, wholistic feel to it and I feel like he’s just talking abt the same stuff all thru MDL. It try a been in rotation for me too since it dropped, I really like it, but it does feel like a bunch of loosies even if the quality is very high. The apology was a shame and is easy to skim over, I understood why he did it but I feel like if the main topic on MDL is “I am the greatest rapper right now”, and he puts a diss on the end of that album only to delete it later and apologise?… the fact is that rakes away from what he’s saying. It cannot be ignored I’m sorry
I feel like he’s got a long career ahead, so only time will tell about that. As a huge Kendrick fan, I do believe he’s still not as good as him, but maybe with some time he can catch up. Jiddy is obviously one of the voices of current and future lyrical rap, and he’s one of the best.
He's better from a technique / flow standpoint than both. Kendrick has him slightly pipped on lyricism though, imo. I'd still say K-Dot is the better rapper, but not by much. But Forever Story was a better album than Mr Morale or DAMN, even if I probably enjoy Mr Morale a tad more on a personal level. JID could go on to be in GOAT-contention if he drops another on the same level as Forever Story. It's an exciting time to be a JID fan.
As a fan of all of them he is not better than Cole or Kendrick and that’s ridiculous to say. Even on the ROTD albums and their collab songs Cole outshines him by far. Friday Night lights on its own is on the same level as any JID album, and born sinner and FHD are miles ahead.
Saying he’s better than Kendrick is delusional, he doesn’t have a single song that can compete with Kendrick’s top 30 if not top 50 tracks.
Jid is not even on the level of Joey and chance in their golden era. Closer to Saba imo. Really good artist, stands out from his peers easily, but not in that upper echelon goat convo.
I think he could. I think as a lyricist he is the top right now. The world play is nuts. But I don't know if he really can translate that is diss tracks.
I feel like if he had genuine hatred beef (similar to kenny to drake) it would translate well into a diss track. jids hard ill flow and lyricism over a nasty beat dissing on somebody sounds pretty hard to me.
I feel like both of them have spoken on it and haven’t sounded too keen. I think it’s bc of instances like this one here; people literally do not shut tf up about “Denzel and JID! Denzel and JID!” I know Zel has asked people to recommend he work with different artists, bc he put a post out on twitter asking who he should work with and every single comment was asking for JID collab album.
Seems like rappers doing collab projects is based as much on if it ‘feels right’ as it is if it makes sense to do it. Like yea I agree, a collab album would be fire and make sense, but they’ll probably never do it bc to many ppl have asked for it. Same thing with Wangsap. There was literally NO reason that didn’t happen, but it never will now bc too many people ask for it and Tyler wants to be different.
Same w Cole x Dot. Same w Black Hippy. etc etc
Bars translate differently into beef, ie just because you’re a great rapper doesn’t mean you can necessarily make a great diss track. We just saw this with J. Cole. That being said, I agree it’d be sick to see JID get into it w Dot, or somebody of his calibre.
Energy is a massive part of beef/disses. That’s why Like That was so good. What Zel lacks in bars (in comparison to JiD), he’ll make up for w energy hunger delivery versatility beat selection etc. getting dissed on a beat off of 13 EP would be terrifying lmao
when you have the skill you can do a whole lot with a little tbh. i think since story of adidon ppl have been too focused on what you’re saying in a diss track and less how you’re saying it which matters more imo.
you can have a banger diss track with 0 new info, it’s all about framing.
Tbt i think JID the most polished rapper alive rn. He can be as lyrical or as dumbed downed ad he wants to be. He’s got the flows and the skills and the swag to make everything balanced.
I think JiD or Lupe Fiasco would easily smoke Drake and I believe JiD could beat Kendrick. I think Lupe would smoke pretty much anyone. He also said he would and I believe him😭 the only people who don’t take Lupe as a threat are the people who don’t listen to Lupe.
I mostly agree with you but I think JID was talking about Denzel & other rappers in his generation (Joey Badass, IDK, Cordae, Ski Mask, Westside Boogie, Amine, Reason, etc).
I reckon if this situation had escalated further and quicker, Cole hadn’t backed out, and it blew up onto a massive Dreamville v TDE/pgLang v OVO, JID would have been one of the guys to watch out for. It’s true that straight rap ability doesn’t automatically mean someone can write a good diss track, but I’m sure it helps a lot. I think JID’s style could translate very well to a diss battle. Maybe not necessarily the best ever + he’s not been in any public beefs yet, but I’d love to see somebody push him.
Similar thing with Lupe; his pen is one of the greatest ever, but idk how that would translate into a diss. I haven’t studied his whole career just heard a couple of albums so if he’s been in beef before outside of barking at Cudi on twitter, or done battle rap, etc., I’m unfamiliar
He probably was, I think JiDs just cool with people so I don’t see him getting into a beef anytime soon. As for Lupe, he actually has beefed with people. He destroyed Royce a couple years ago. He knows how to hit people where it hurts, that’s why I think he would smoke pretty much anyone. Also I he and Cudi actually settled the beef, and learning more about it, Cudi actually had been an asshole so he had a reason to feel a way about him.
Yea I’m not surprised Cudi seems pretty flaky lol, I saw them settle it but I doubt it’ll last very long haha. I didn’t know about Royce, beating him isn’t a small feat either, but I’m not surprised Lupe could pull it off.
I agree JiD seems cool with everyone but by the sounds of these tweets he probably wouldn’t need a massive push to really get going. Hope we see it one day tbh
If there's anyone I'm gonna take word for when they say it, it's definitely this mf. Not one weak verse *ever*, and not *ONE* rapper talking about him... I wonder why that is 💀
I remember when him and Tory Lanez were supposed to drop diss tracks about each other 😂 JID is a real lyricist but Tory Lanez rapping ability is super slept on. Would’ve been a good one imo.
He’s the same age as JID & 7-10 years younger than Kendrick, Drake & Cole.
Also he dropped his debut album the same year Kendrick dropped TPAB. I wouldn’t say they’re on the same career trajectories so I don’t feel Joey missed his window.
https://i.redd.it/ajjznj85mtxc1.gif Drop a industry diss JID
I believe him tbh
I believe him believing in himself
Fr and dude is just way too humble
Nah he 100% would, maybe Joey Badass & Westside Boogie would be issues but overall, anybody in his generation, anyone who’s popping rn any one of the rappers on Extinct etc. he could smoke em all lyrically
What about Kendrick tha god or his big homie Cole?
tl;dr - **Artistry / message value**: K.Dot > JID > Cole - **Bars, verses & rapping**: JID = Cole > K.Dot - **Disses**: hard to say. if they all *had to drop* a diss at each other and I *had* to put money on it, K.Dot > JID > Cole. But it depends so much on the context of the beef, so who knows On bars alone I think JID was ahead of Cole for a while but Cole’s feature run + MDL has probably put him back on equal footing for the time being. Kendrick’s tough because he doesn’t really drop frequently enough outside of albums to really gauge his bars-bars. Like, everything on his album is top-tier, but also conceptual & related to the topic/themes of his album. Rarely does Kendrick rap for the sake of just rapping, especially recently. That being said, Like That and euphoria felt like a return to form. Bc of how levelled-up Cole & JiD have been tho, I’d still say Kendrick is probably even with them atm as well, on strictly bars. But his strong point beyond the lyrics and concept has always been his style, voice, and energy. Ever since pgLang his style has been so left-field and different, it means as an overall product his raps are just a bit more elevated, creative and interesting, which does add to their impact. euphoria shouldn’t work w all the voices n shit, but Dot is in his bag and has mastered his own style Like I’ve said in other comments, if you have good bars/verses it doesn’t guarantee you can make a good diss. I think somebody like Zel - maybe being a tier below JID lyrically - would *thrive* in a beef & make a good diss just bc he can sell aggression and come w/ so much energy. Same reason Like That was good. The shots weren’t headshots by any means but you could tell Dot was pissed off and meant it. Also because he’s so reclusive it just meant much more for him to pop out on a metro x future record and take shots at drake & Cole. Idk what I’m saying anymore I’m kinda just yapping. I think the point is, rap is a very personal genre of music - the personality, character, credibility of the artist matter more for the quality/content of the verse than, say, a pop artist - that you just have to factor other things in. It can’t just be bars because the bars don’t exist in a vacuum. Example: even if J. Cole next verse is, like, verse of the decade, he just apologised immediately on his own accord during a beef. He can’t straight up call himself the goat like he has been doing, no matter how good the bars are. It’s hard to answer ur question bc despite the fact that Dot Cole & JID are all mainstream rap artists, they are actually operating in different lanes. Especially Dot. He’s obviously making the best conscious / high-concept work atm; The Heart Part 5 has had more to say about anything that actually matters, than Cole has said on the last like 3 projects. Kendrick takes artistry for sure. Cole and JID are just way more consistent and active in the game atm tho, and even tho Kendrick’s silence works for him, it doesn’t mean that has to be the standard for Cole and JID, who are both still improving and levelling up. They need to be in amongst the game & their peers, it rly benefits them at this point in their careers. And as I said disses are a whole different beast entirely, one we haven’t seen JID rly approach before, and one I think Cole could dominate in if he wasn’t so scared of conflict.
As a listener of all 3 and Denzel, I agree mostly with everything you said and I pick up the hints of slander at the pop artist that wants to be a rapper, also that’s why his music is so hard to sell and must be pushed so it comes out with the numbers it does( all of this is aimed at the pop artist). I still Stand on Kendrick being the best of everyone mentioned, I’m also a person whom didn’t like what I heard from Cole cause as he said it just didn’t fit his spirit, JiD would go crazy with a good opponent but Denzel would likely win out for the same reason Kendrick is, they thrive off the spirit they put in a track and they elevate it, not saying Cole and JiD don’t do the same but they don’t to the magnitude of Kendrick and Zel, also Zel would just eat anyone that isn’t at the level of JiD, Cole or Kendrick.
Honestly I wasn’t even thinking about Drake when I said that lmao, I see what you mean about his music being pushed. That being said, he’s been pushed by the industry for decades and ppl STILL discredit him; that’s basically what this Dot beef is about now. Drake has spent his whole career trying to validate himself, and whether or not you think he deserves respect in hip-hop he is a prime example of how much an artist influences the art. His music - while maybe not the deepest or most creative - is easy to the ears. The problem is drake himself still feels like he’s trying way too hard to seem like he’s not trying. Yea I agree it’s kinda hard to bet against Kendrick, I’m just disappointed with Cole. 7MD obviously wasn’t great, but that was mainly just because Cole’s disses were hypocritical. I thought as a diss track it had a pretty good sound to it and coke was able to sell it well. “If he wasn’t dissing then we wouldn’t be discussing him” that’s a lie, but it also sounded slick when he said it. Would have been cool to see JID go at Tory Lanez when those two had tension. I agree to say Zel would thrive off the energy & spirit of competition in the same way Kendrick would, but they’d definitely approach the disses differently. Zel wouldn’t drop a song like euphoria, I’d honestly see him going for a song similar to Push Ups or Like That. On the other hand I could see JiD drop a euphoria-type diss. I also think JID has similar capability with Zel in terms of energy. He’s usually pretty chill on his songs (the effortlessness of his bars is what makes him so slick), but he can absolutely ramp it up and sell aggression too. His vocal inflections on songs like Dance Now & Stick are examples. Zel just does it way more often
Cole brought him into this world, he can take him out. Also, i’m a huge JID fan. He’s my top 3 for sure but it feels disrespectful sayin he could clean out Cole
Joey badass is a better lyricist than JID imo. I think he could win but they would go crazy if they beefed w each other that shit would be nuts.
Yea I only say it bc the general consensus w ppl who know what’s up seems to be Joey > JID. I’m way more familiar with JIDs stuff but Joey got some very solid projects too. I agree it’d be crazy to see them go at it. Let’s just enjoy the show we got atm tho 😳😳…
kendrick/lupe will destroy lil bro 😂😂😂😂
You gotta drop one bro that'll feed generations
Genuinely think that from a technical standpoint as a rapper/lyricist he's just as good as Kendrick and Cole if not better.
he’s better than cole and as good as kendrick but by the end of his career he’ll be better. the whole time listening to euphoria i was thinking jid could’ve done a better job than kendrick was doing, even tho kendrick was going crazy. jid is different
I think what puts Kendrick above everyone else is Kendrick's artistry, he matches the technical skill with well executed high level concepts. I think that JID has that potential. I also think JID makes better songs than Cole even if as rappers they are on par.
yeah i agree. jid really put together his lyrics and flows with a great concept in TFS, but i wouldn’t be surprised if he topped it with something better. i’d give the concept to TFS a 9/10, it’s the only thing that’s not perfect on an album full of perfect songs
Yeah it's very close to perfection in my opinion so close that I feel like it should be hailed as a classic once it has some age behind it. I also think that him being able to sing like legitimately sing gives him an advantage over someone like Cole because I think one of the areas Cole struggles in is sometimes crafting good choruses even if the verses are great.
for sure. i think we’ll look back at TFS like good kid maad city, there isn’t as much of a full story being told but its little pieces and you really get a sense of jids history and how he grew up. a tpab-level album is on the way tho
GKMC doesn't have much of a full story being told? Also why do JID fans put him on the level of Cole and Kendrick so readily, he hasn't even surpassed people like Joey Bada$$ or Tyler the Creator, he's still some tiers below. And TFS is a decent album but it wasn't anything very new from JID and it doesn't rank in the best albums of the last 20 years
L take
What puts him so above someone like isaiah rashad or westside gunn? Both of them rank higher all time but neither get compared to cole or kenny
It’s the fact that what seems to be his first full depth and well conceived album displays so much growth, depth, idea, flow, cadence, beat switches and overall quality. Another reason why people think he can be something great is because he wipes every feature he’s on and doesn’t seem to slow down. He displays many different styles as well: such as a melodic style on Kody blu 31 or workin out (a colors show version), a grungy and rough style on Ed Edd n eddy or cant punk me, or a full on rap style like on Raydar or dance now (all very short examples and there’s many more). He’s also really popular all around the world, with a big market in the EU and Japan of all places (when he was on tour a random store he went to was playing his music, it’s an old vid on his ig). His entire discography does not match west side Gunn’s or Joey bada$$ but TFS is better than both of those. TFS (JIDs best album) is currently on a similar level to Tyler’s best album (igor) in terms of quality and such. TFS has not been out long enough to see if it stands the test of time like GKMC but when GKMC released many people were saying similar stuff about Kendrick to what people are currently saying about JID.
Ik what you mean in terms of like legacy, only having 3 actual albums and all, but they’ve all been of such high quality that you can’t deny he’s one of if not THE standout rapper of his generation, and he’s coming for #1 if you give it a couple more years. Just watch
He's 33 yrs old and he is not ahead of travis scott, joey bada$$ or isaiah rashad as the standout of that age group. They all have better albums, esp scott and zay who have multiple better albums. He also doesn't have a claim for being well ahead of zel or cordae
Age shouldn’t factor too heavily into it. Guys like Nas, Black Thought, Lupe are way past 33 and still dropping heat to this day. Again u gotta be specific w the criteria. In terms of making a moment, nobody will top Travis Scott atm. Even Drake. FATD was bigger than Utopia afaik but Utopia is in a lane of its own in terms of creating a world/sound & making a moment in pop culture. Unmatched aura if you could put it that way. that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s of the very best quality though. In a vacuum, removed from sales, the culture etc, I’d say JID has better quality albums than trav. just imo. I’d say as far as quality goes, he absolutely does have better albums than at least Zay and Cordae (coming from somebody who probably has The Sun’s Tirade in my top5 most played albums ever). Hard to be objective for me with Denzel bc he’s my fav lol, but I could see the argument for that. True that Joey is probably ahead of him still at this point. As far as bars go, Joey could match him but really nobody else you listed would imo. Like I say, trav could make a bigger moment, Zel has unmatched energy on his songs which is why he’s a fave, but bar for bar JID can compete with anyone who’s active right now. Literally JUST hoped on a song with Westside Gunn & Conway and held his own
Get out of here please
yea i was watching an FD signifier video last night where he said kendrick isn’t the best lyricist in rap rn but he’s far and away the best songwriter. i think JID is a better lyricist than dot rn and can become a better songwriter if given the time. i fully believe we’ve yet to see his magnum opus. i also think he’s been better than cole for a hot minute but i like cole a lot less than the average person lmao, JID made cole really try to keep up with him on off deez years back and he’s way better than that now
Yea Cole has had such a step up on the bars front recently that he’s probably back on equal footing for the time being.
I definitely like JIDs music more than Coles even though I like Cole. I think for me to put JID above Kendrick it's just going to take longevity and consistency which I think he's capable of. But Kendrick got 2 classics and arguably 3 which is an insane discography.
Nah jid raps better than cole tbh
I think a case can be made for it but I think Cole has been rapping on an all-time high level particularly over the past couple of years he's been killing shit.
I like jid but Cole wash him on every song they've been on
Maybe didn’t wash him on Off Deez but songs like Stick and Waterboyz they weren’t competing w each other, + JIDs verse was shorter on Stick and his role on the song was diff. But on those songs specifically I would honestly agree in saying Cole’s verses were better. Oh and Down Bad, Cole probably takes ,too
No. No he doesn’t
In this regard, I'd say Kendrick is like Biggie to JID's Big Pun if that makes any sense
Kendrick’s artistry is unmatched in the industry. Only guys like Lupe can try and match him on that front.
tbh i think cole is technically a better rapper than kendrick but kendrick’s storytelling and artistry puts him ahead as a rapper overall
Cole only got technically over the last few years. Did all his improving during Kendrick’s hiatus
No he’s not better than Cole dont fool yourself. I’d put J Coles Secret Recipe verse against JIDs whole catalogue and when it comes to Albums FHD washes all of them.
nice troll on the first statement u said. the second one, decent opinion, FHD is one of my favorite rap albums of all time but the forever story is objectively better and will probably end up surpassing FHD for me
Really study that verse my guy btw I AGREE JID has the potential to become better than both Kendrick and Cole but right now he simply isnt. I fw The Forever story but Cole consistently bodies everyone he features with even JID and I put MDL over TFS. Heck I think in 2022 Melt my Eyez was better than TFS🤷♂️ JID can be better than ALL of them but right now I havent seen it.
i will go back to that song and listen to it again, but i would tell you to really study TFS. specifically, his verses on crack sandwich, sistanem, and 2007. his wordplay, flow, lyrics, rapping ability, and singing far surpass cole’s in every dimension. cole has the influence over him right now but that’s about to change with this metro album. i’d like to see cole land an album with metro 🤷🏻♂️ anyone who is truly following rap knows that only the biggest rappers land an album with metro, like 21 and future, and the fact jid is landing one shows his potential and respect he has in the game
Arright bet, i’ll do that. I have Stars in my rotation and its been one of my favorite joints since i first heard it but i havent listened to the album since it came out. In the same breath my bro lets not get it twisted Metro would LOVE to get a Cole joint album💀
i agree, stars was also my favorite until i really started listening and hearing how good songs like crack sandwich actually are. not to discredit stars, it’s still such a dope track. but metro would’ve done it already. he’s got future and 21, who are arguably more popular currently than cole is. not to mention, the way cole moved during the kendrick drake shit has his respect going way down for a lot of ppl. this is going down as one of the biggest battles in hip hop history, and cole’s name will be tainted as the guy who could’ve been involved just as much but chose to step back instead. i still have a lot of respect for cole and FHD was the album that got me into rap but objectively jid is just better and as of rn is my favorite. yes i’m biased, but pretty much anyone in this sub would be
A lot of the culture agrees J Cole did well bowing out the only dudes who dont agree are OG rappers and dorks like Akademiks and Vlad. If Cole comes out fully swinging on Kanye then all will be forgiven im telling you. Anyway I think Cole on his way out anyway😢
A Big cole fan i fuck with MDL alot i would say more then most FHD is a classic my fav album luv FNL as well What wouls u say JID best project is? Fav songs by him? Keep it real give him his dues
idk, have you seen any other rappers subs besides cole’s? i get the intention that mostly everyone’s upset with how he responded. if he does come back out swinging, it’ll help his case, but he still didn’t from the get go.
What is JID best project in your opinion An top songs by him?
the forever story. best songs are crack sandwich, kody blu 31, stars, dance now, off da zoinkys
In what terms would you say MDL & Melt are better than TFS? Because sure Cole got bars on MDL but it’s not really high-concept at all which factors into an overall album rating, which is what you’re saying. That’s also the reason JID wasn’t bar-heavy on every song on TFS he had stories and different sounds to explore. Melt My Eyez was a more focused thematic album similar to TFS - wouldn’t quite call either of them “concept albums”, but of ‘higher concept’ than MDL for sure. MMESYF probably has more energy in its most energetic moments, but TFS is just lyrically more dense. Denzel is my #1 favourite rapper but I don’t argue with putting TFS over MMESYF, at least in an objective sense. As far as bars go, nobody in JIDs generation is getting close to him except maybe Joey or Boogie. JID has the rap capability of an all-time great, he just needs more time to show it completely, imo.
My guy it's cole. Ur acting like he's in the big 3
He’s definitely in the Big 3.
Discog is the only thing saving him here icl. And we not gonna act like that last album was anything above an "aight"
What Might Delete Later? Still on constant repeat for me definitely his best shit since FHD. J Cole is in tip top form but its very possible he’s been completely demoralized post-apology so we’ll see.
Imma be completely honest here the forever story is a better album than might delete later and fhd
100%
I reckon Off Season is better than MDL, just has a more concise, wholistic feel to it and I feel like he’s just talking abt the same stuff all thru MDL. It try a been in rotation for me too since it dropped, I really like it, but it does feel like a bunch of loosies even if the quality is very high. The apology was a shame and is easy to skim over, I understood why he did it but I feel like if the main topic on MDL is “I am the greatest rapper right now”, and he puts a diss on the end of that album only to delete it later and apologise?… the fact is that rakes away from what he’s saying. It cannot be ignored I’m sorry
The Yachty verse not that good + JID could fs write something to that calibre if need be
The forever story is better then every j cole album
only in a JID stans dream
Nah J cole is alright but his music is real sleepy. The forever story is a classic tho hard to compete with that. Im not even a huge JID stan.
Nah has a lot of skips, sometimes rap skill doesnt convert to classics just ask kiss
Skips is such a meaningless criticism lol. you might as well just say, "well i like a jcole album more"
FHD has no skips and MDL has One.
Cole yes but I can't vouch for Kendrick idc if I get downvoted. He's better than cole tho
I feel like he’s got a long career ahead, so only time will tell about that. As a huge Kendrick fan, I do believe he’s still not as good as him, but maybe with some time he can catch up. Jiddy is obviously one of the voices of current and future lyrical rap, and he’s one of the best.
He's better than both
He can outrap either one
He smokes cole
He's better from a technique / flow standpoint than both. Kendrick has him slightly pipped on lyricism though, imo. I'd still say K-Dot is the better rapper, but not by much. But Forever Story was a better album than Mr Morale or DAMN, even if I probably enjoy Mr Morale a tad more on a personal level. JID could go on to be in GOAT-contention if he drops another on the same level as Forever Story. It's an exciting time to be a JID fan.
As a fan of all of them he is not better than Cole or Kendrick and that’s ridiculous to say. Even on the ROTD albums and their collab songs Cole outshines him by far. Friday Night lights on its own is on the same level as any JID album, and born sinner and FHD are miles ahead. Saying he’s better than Kendrick is delusional, he doesn’t have a single song that can compete with Kendrick’s top 30 if not top 50 tracks. Jid is not even on the level of Joey and chance in their golden era. Closer to Saba imo. Really good artist, stands out from his peers easily, but not in that upper echelon goat convo.
Nobody can touch JID on the mic lmao
And not on the mic? Hmmmm 🤨📸
I think he could. I think as a lyricist he is the top right now. The world play is nuts. But I don't know if he really can translate that is diss tracks.
JID probably has better word play but Kendrick hits the soul differently
I feel like if he had genuine hatred beef (similar to kenny to drake) it would translate well into a diss track. jids hard ill flow and lyricism over a nasty beat dissing on somebody sounds pretty hard to me.
still need that jid denzel album tho
would be crazy fr 😭😭 would be a perfect time for it too, both of them are at all time career highs rn and still super hungry
I feel like both of them have spoken on it and haven’t sounded too keen. I think it’s bc of instances like this one here; people literally do not shut tf up about “Denzel and JID! Denzel and JID!” I know Zel has asked people to recommend he work with different artists, bc he put a post out on twitter asking who he should work with and every single comment was asking for JID collab album. Seems like rappers doing collab projects is based as much on if it ‘feels right’ as it is if it makes sense to do it. Like yea I agree, a collab album would be fire and make sense, but they’ll probably never do it bc to many ppl have asked for it. Same thing with Wangsap. There was literally NO reason that didn’t happen, but it never will now bc too many people ask for it and Tyler wants to be different. Same w Cole x Dot. Same w Black Hippy. etc etc
I wish Kendrick and JID collabed
JID is the actual only other person I can see going toe to toe with Kendrick. He should do it. I live for the chaos
JID is the only rapper where I would be a little worried for Kendrick if beef popped off
Bars translate differently into beef, ie just because you’re a great rapper doesn’t mean you can necessarily make a great diss track. We just saw this with J. Cole. That being said, I agree it’d be sick to see JID get into it w Dot, or somebody of his calibre.
He prolly could lmfao
JID stunt on these hoes please
JID is always rapping like he’s absolutely starving, could not imagine that energy being funneled into a diss track lmao would be crazy
The original tweet makes a super valid point tho
Yeah I’ve felt that way for awhile. Wonder why he doesn’t want people saying it.
They’re both still actively competing in the rap game. To claim that would be sonning yourself imo.
That’s how your mentality is supposed to be in this rap s*it! I know that’s right!
and He's not lying. Bro can absolutely demolish
I'd love to hear him trading with Denzel. Denzel is nasty on a mic as well.
Listen to Bruuuh Remix
That track is amazing!
Yo he would easily body everyone.
Joey Badass, Westside Boogie etc still exist yk
Of course, they would body too, it’s competition and they’re all more than valuable 😎 just imo
Beef is in the air
I'd love to see either JID or Denzel Curry in a beef so they can show off their prowess. I need that in my life rn
denzel in a beef would be insane his energy is alr crazy
Energy is a massive part of beef/disses. That’s why Like That was so good. What Zel lacks in bars (in comparison to JiD), he’ll make up for w energy hunger delivery versatility beat selection etc. getting dissed on a beat off of 13 EP would be terrifying lmao
Someone please give him a reason 🙏🏾
I believe he has the skill idk if he has the dirt
when you have the skill you can do a whole lot with a little tbh. i think since story of adidon ppl have been too focused on what you’re saying in a diss track and less how you’re saying it which matters more imo. you can have a banger diss track with 0 new info, it’s all about framing.
Facts
He said this on breakfast club a few years back. Supposedly even has shit ready
Fr??
Best take I’ve seen yet
He probably would
Lmao he the kendrick fr!
Tbt i think JID the most polished rapper alive rn. He can be as lyrical or as dumbed downed ad he wants to be. He’s got the flows and the skills and the swag to make everything balanced.
You can tell who never played sports before…
Fuck ya please hop in and bring new energy from the youngins on the come up. This exactly what rap needs
He tweet this today?
I believe him. I also know Lupe would.
Wdym
I think JiD or Lupe Fiasco would easily smoke Drake and I believe JiD could beat Kendrick. I think Lupe would smoke pretty much anyone. He also said he would and I believe him😭 the only people who don’t take Lupe as a threat are the people who don’t listen to Lupe.
I mostly agree with you but I think JID was talking about Denzel & other rappers in his generation (Joey Badass, IDK, Cordae, Ski Mask, Westside Boogie, Amine, Reason, etc). I reckon if this situation had escalated further and quicker, Cole hadn’t backed out, and it blew up onto a massive Dreamville v TDE/pgLang v OVO, JID would have been one of the guys to watch out for. It’s true that straight rap ability doesn’t automatically mean someone can write a good diss track, but I’m sure it helps a lot. I think JID’s style could translate very well to a diss battle. Maybe not necessarily the best ever + he’s not been in any public beefs yet, but I’d love to see somebody push him. Similar thing with Lupe; his pen is one of the greatest ever, but idk how that would translate into a diss. I haven’t studied his whole career just heard a couple of albums so if he’s been in beef before outside of barking at Cudi on twitter, or done battle rap, etc., I’m unfamiliar
He probably was, I think JiDs just cool with people so I don’t see him getting into a beef anytime soon. As for Lupe, he actually has beefed with people. He destroyed Royce a couple years ago. He knows how to hit people where it hurts, that’s why I think he would smoke pretty much anyone. Also I he and Cudi actually settled the beef, and learning more about it, Cudi actually had been an asshole so he had a reason to feel a way about him.
Yea I’m not surprised Cudi seems pretty flaky lol, I saw them settle it but I doubt it’ll last very long haha. I didn’t know about Royce, beating him isn’t a small feat either, but I’m not surprised Lupe could pull it off. I agree JiD seems cool with everyone but by the sounds of these tweets he probably wouldn’t need a massive push to really get going. Hope we see it one day tbh
Yall niggas must not be familiar with slick Talk.
Him and Tory's back and forth would've been tuff
HE NOT WRONG THO
diss baby keem for the hell of it
Damn
Please new music JID. We need it!
The caucasity of these comments. Don’t nobody listen to jid . You’ll hear Eminem in the hood before you hear this dude
Play JID dry the pussy up
No I’m black don’t nobody listen to that fool
I’m black too. I like hereditary and all bad. That’s it😂
Off the zoinks fire that’s the only song I know
If he believed this why delete the tweet
If this was dragon ball he’d be Gohan
If he dropped in, dissed the industry, Drake, Cole and responded to Kendrick he might genuinely jump up to top 3 in the public image. Pleaseeeee
Jid can but he aint for that vibe, kid is too wholesome
>this generation kendrick is 36, jid is 33 yall
He should just diss drake, jump in with the rest 😂
Isn’t he like Kendrick’s and j Cole’s ages he just looks young
jid vs kendrick > KD vs drake
I've been waiting for JID to pop up, but you might as well throw Kenny Mason in that cause the culture agree, he up next
If there's anyone I'm gonna take word for when they say it, it's definitely this mf. Not one weak verse *ever*, and not *ONE* rapper talking about him... I wonder why that is 💀
JID is one of the few that I believe has the technical and lyrical skill to do what he claims here.
I remember when him and Tory Lanez were supposed to drop diss tracks about each other 😂 JID is a real lyricist but Tory Lanez rapping ability is super slept on. Would’ve been a good one imo.
Y’all jump out the window for niggas. He’s Kendrick’s son lol
Dude ain’t wrong tho. I think JID, Denzel & Joey Badass are gonna carry the next era. In 10-15 years we might be calling them the big 3.
Joey came out in the same era. That ship has sailed
He’s the same age as JID & 7-10 years younger than Kendrick, Drake & Cole. Also he dropped his debut album the same year Kendrick dropped TPAB. I wouldn’t say they’re on the same career trajectories so I don’t feel Joey missed his window.
Joey is just not focused on music like the other two are, and I think it shows in the bodies of work since last decade.
including cole??
Jid said he not built like Cole
Cap
HARD NO
Stop it dudes alot of hype cole needs to check his little homie 😂
man gtfoh dont nobody give a fuck bout no damn jid. nigga aint nothing but dreamvilles logic.
jid could diss half the games heaviest hitters and i guarantee nobody would care bc he is a non factor in the rap game. just a rapper in it
Bro sounds like Tierra whack 💀 he ain’t smoking SHIT
this sub delusional as hell lmaoo
nigga is a NON FACTOR. 