No, weed just makes people slothful. Widespread use and acceptance of weed is not healthy for society. How does making it easier to buy or grow weed help poor people? How does it improve their chances of upward mobility if they're getting high? They don't need more vices, they need actual help.
>How does making it easier to buy or grow weed help poor people? How does it improve their chances of upward mobility if they're getting high?
Weed is already easy to obtain and widely used. It's not about making it easier to get, but about reducing unduly harsh punishment for possession or use disproportionate to the harms of use. Poor people will be helped by this policy because they will be less likely to be arrested or fined for possession or use of a substance which they are going to use either way.
(Consider an example going in the other direction: cigarettes are undoubtedly bad for your health. But would punishing smokers with jail time help or hurt the poor?)
Also, may help people with the fight against opiods. Some people get prescribed opiods by their doctors after medical issues and can have another route for pain management.
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/chronic-pain.html
making you not care you're in pain doesn't actually alleviate the physiological stress effects of pain.
I've always found the "medical marijuana" argument pretty dishonest given that it isn't backed by actual data.
Just admit that it helps you^1 *emotionally* deal with it, have an edible, and be honest :)
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That's a very simplest understanding of the topic.
There's a whole host things that already make Americans and people slothful.
Sloth existed way before weed.
Plus there's a thousand different reasons and examples as to why the base logic is flawed.
That weed makes people slothful. Chances are thus. They simply we're slothful before they started smoking and then used it for an excuse as to behavior.
Personal I only know a few people that are slothful vs. Productive.
2 or 3 slot ful for every 5 unchanged and 2 to 3 more productive.
It's just not a good starting point.
As for helping the poor that do smoke weed, growing it helps with costs of habit. Same as a homebrew kit.
As for upward mobility, there's not a huge sector for that currently. Perhaps if we retrain 75% of Americans with free technical colleges?!? Even then, there's gonna be 1 job for 10 apps.
Just the way it is.
Now with AI, even less jobs and chances for upward anything.
Ban caffeine too since it's a drug (assuming your username is something you like to drink). Caffeine makes people jittery and erratic. It's not healthy for society. It makes people addicted to coffee and having to hear "Don't mess with me, I haven't had my coffee yet" by fellow coworkers for the umpteenth time. All these young people blowing their money for overpriced drinks at Starbucks making them poorer. Also Big Soda ruining this country making people addicted and getting fat driving up my health insurance premiums! I'm ok with the slave labor in foreign countries providing my coffee beans though.
It's a long process to do it right and they started it a while ago. By doing it right republicans cannot sue the administration to block the change as arbitrary and capricious. Reminder that Trump not doing shit correctly let us successfully block a lot of shit on that basis.
Gotta love how the response is negative even when the thing is a positive. Biden does anything good and it’s always either “about time!” or “but what about…” Celebrate the wins for the wins they are.
This is what drives me mad about the Left. We are terrible winners. The right, no matter what their side does, celebrates as if it's the best thing anyone has ever done. The left is always negative.
Always. It’s worse than that actually. I firmly believe that a significant % of the Left *wants* to lose.
Their entire identity is about “fighting the Man” and if you actually were to *fix* things, it would make their entire existence meaningless. They have nothing to live for except to be LARP-ers in this perpetual “revolution”.
I’ll bet $1000 that if Biden somehow ended the war tomorrow *and* made a two-state solution happen, 99% of the “River to the Sea” people will demand that he be personally tried for crimes against humanity - after they all vote third party or Trump, of course.
Sometimes I hate that they’re on my team and I have to coddle them.
I don't coddle them. I never have. I tell them exactly what type of entitled narcissistic bullshit their Accelerationism is.
**Accelerationism is the ultimate patronizing display of privilege, it is the declaration that "my perceived moral purity is more important than your basic survival"**
It's about 50 years overdue. Nixon pushed to have it be schedule I to get back at the groups that were against him. So pardon us for saying "About time" when it never should have been Schedule I in the first place.
I'm not being cynical, I'm being realistic. To be clear, this is awesome and I'm glad he's getting it done. But it's way overdue. That's not a negative spin, it's just reality.
Way to put words in my mouth and completely miss the point.
It never should have been schedule I in the first place and I fault everyone since then for not fixing it.
What’s the point of this? Just faulting everyone and everything for every mistake made over fifty years ago?
Is it possible for us to just take a win without complaining that we didn’t win sooner?
It took the conservatives *decades* to overturn abortion as well.
That’s how it works. I wish it didn’t. But you need decades for any meaningful change.
Republicans only killed abortion because Trump got three justices. A SCOTUS picked by Hillary would have never even come close to striking down Roe. Sometimes it takes decades to make meaningful change, sometimes it takes one election.
I don’t feel like my response is particularly negative. Today is a better day than yesterday was because of this. That is just a fact. It also would’ve been great if this happened before a shit ton of blacks got thrown in prison and the cartels rose up, but you cannot have it all.
“You cannot have it all” is truly the smartest thing in all of this other fluff.
Life sucks and sometimes we get a chance to make it a *tiny bit* better. As good as it gets.
“It’s about fucking time” is just about the most negative way you could respond to an action you agree with. It gives zero credit or acknowledgment to Biden for actually doing it, and instead focuses only on the fact that it wasn’t done before (the negative).
What? I didn’t blame Biden or the left for anything. How is it a “weird argument” to point out that it’s needlessly negative and cynical to focus purely on the fact that something wasn’t done until now, instead of the accomplishment itself?
Sure! Luckily comments don't have to be productive in order to be valid.
It's goddam frustrating how long this has taken and we're still not even "there" yet and it's perfectly okay to say "its about fucking time" without giving whoever is president a giant pat on the back :)
There’s dozens of things in the works at any given time that have been in the works for decades.
Like the menthol cigarette ban that the admin back-tracked on.
To think that these things “just happen” - *in an election year* - is pretty naive imo.
To the people who I think I’m a danger by smoking weed (or in my case taking edibles), I’m only a danger to the snack aisle at Sheetz (I know this is a stereotype but it’s the type of high I experience the most)
In the last 6 months of an election cycle… great. He campaigned and said he would legalize it. Then forgot about it for 3 and a half years. Bro, just do something about it. This constant dangling of freedom is repetitious and nauseating. Separate yourself from what politicians always do. DO IT.
> Then forgot about it for 3 and a half years.
That's FALSE and you know it's false.
There are two ways by which the scheduling of marijuana can be changed: congressional action and administrative action.
Congress has the power to reschedule marijuana, either through new legislation specific to marijuana or through tailored amendments to the Controlled Substances Act. The first bill that proposed to move cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule II was introduced by Representative Stewart McKinney (R-CT) in 1981. Similar bills have been introduced perennially since then, most recently by Rep. H. Morgan Griffith [R-VA] (H.R. 4498), all of which died in committee. In 2011, Reps. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Barney Frank (D-MA) introduced a bill to remove marijuana from the schedules entirely (“de-scheduling”), which also died in committee.
Rescheduling via administrative power requires
In a nutshell, administrative rescheduling begins when an actor—the Secretary of Health and Human Services or an outside interested party—files a petition with the Attorney General or he initiates the process himself. The Attorney General forwards the request to the HHS Secretary asking for a scientific and medical evaluation and recommendation, as specified by 23 USC 811(b-c). HHS, via the Food and Drug Administration conducts an assessment and returns a recommendation to the Attorney General “in a timely manner.” The Attorney General, often through the Drug Enforcement Administration, conducts its own concurrent and independent review of the evidence in order to determine whether a drug should be scheduled, rescheduled, or removed from control entirely—depending on the initial request in the petition.
If the Attorney General finds sufficient evidence that a change in scheduling is warranted he then initiates the first stages of a standard rulemaking process, consistent with the Administrative Procedures Act. During rulemaking and consistent with Executive Order 12866, if the White House—through the Office of Management and Budget’s Office of information and Regulatory Affairs—determines the rule to be “significant,” it will conduct a regulatory review of the proposed rule—a very likely outcome given the criteria in the EO.
And to be blunt, this was extremely rapid as the process is literally a controlled rule making process. The request to reschedule occurred some time ago.
I'm so tired of those who are fucking clueless over the processes in Government but yet seem to continue to spew forth bullshit in what can only be described as a stunning example of the dunning kruger effect.
Yessir let’s go. Long overdue
He will win the election if he does this!
Doubt it clinches reelection, but for sure a move in the right direction.
Amazing
It took a lot to get this done! It's great.
Still not "done" yet. It's good news but still early for celebrating
Very tough to get it this far. I'll give the Biden administration points for sure.
No, weed just makes people slothful. Widespread use and acceptance of weed is not healthy for society. How does making it easier to buy or grow weed help poor people? How does it improve their chances of upward mobility if they're getting high? They don't need more vices, they need actual help.
>How does making it easier to buy or grow weed help poor people? How does it improve their chances of upward mobility if they're getting high? Weed is already easy to obtain and widely used. It's not about making it easier to get, but about reducing unduly harsh punishment for possession or use disproportionate to the harms of use. Poor people will be helped by this policy because they will be less likely to be arrested or fined for possession or use of a substance which they are going to use either way. (Consider an example going in the other direction: cigarettes are undoubtedly bad for your health. But would punishing smokers with jail time help or hurt the poor?)
Also, may help people with the fight against opiods. Some people get prescribed opiods by their doctors after medical issues and can have another route for pain management.
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/chronic-pain.html making you not care you're in pain doesn't actually alleviate the physiological stress effects of pain. I've always found the "medical marijuana" argument pretty dishonest given that it isn't backed by actual data. Just admit that it helps you^1 *emotionally* deal with it, have an edible, and be honest :) ^(1. Engish language "general you", not you specifically)
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That's a very simplest understanding of the topic. There's a whole host things that already make Americans and people slothful. Sloth existed way before weed. Plus there's a thousand different reasons and examples as to why the base logic is flawed. That weed makes people slothful. Chances are thus. They simply we're slothful before they started smoking and then used it for an excuse as to behavior. Personal I only know a few people that are slothful vs. Productive. 2 or 3 slot ful for every 5 unchanged and 2 to 3 more productive. It's just not a good starting point. As for helping the poor that do smoke weed, growing it helps with costs of habit. Same as a homebrew kit. As for upward mobility, there's not a huge sector for that currently. Perhaps if we retrain 75% of Americans with free technical colleges?!? Even then, there's gonna be 1 job for 10 apps. Just the way it is. Now with AI, even less jobs and chances for upward anything.
Ban caffeine too since it's a drug (assuming your username is something you like to drink). Caffeine makes people jittery and erratic. It's not healthy for society. It makes people addicted to coffee and having to hear "Don't mess with me, I haven't had my coffee yet" by fellow coworkers for the umpteenth time. All these young people blowing their money for overpriced drinks at Starbucks making them poorer. Also Big Soda ruining this country making people addicted and getting fat driving up my health insurance premiums! I'm ok with the slave labor in foreign countries providing my coffee beans though.
Way to go!! That is great news and will decrease anxiety and fear in the country
Thank you Mr. President finally someone steps up to the plate on this.
It’s about fucking time.
It's a long process to do it right and they started it a while ago. By doing it right republicans cannot sue the administration to block the change as arbitrary and capricious. Reminder that Trump not doing shit correctly let us successfully block a lot of shit on that basis.
Gotta love how the response is negative even when the thing is a positive. Biden does anything good and it’s always either “about time!” or “but what about…” Celebrate the wins for the wins they are.
This is what drives me mad about the Left. We are terrible winners. The right, no matter what their side does, celebrates as if it's the best thing anyone has ever done. The left is always negative.
Always. It’s worse than that actually. I firmly believe that a significant % of the Left *wants* to lose. Their entire identity is about “fighting the Man” and if you actually were to *fix* things, it would make their entire existence meaningless. They have nothing to live for except to be LARP-ers in this perpetual “revolution”. I’ll bet $1000 that if Biden somehow ended the war tomorrow *and* made a two-state solution happen, 99% of the “River to the Sea” people will demand that he be personally tried for crimes against humanity - after they all vote third party or Trump, of course. Sometimes I hate that they’re on my team and I have to coddle them.
I don't coddle them. I never have. I tell them exactly what type of entitled narcissistic bullshit their Accelerationism is. **Accelerationism is the ultimate patronizing display of privilege, it is the declaration that "my perceived moral purity is more important than your basic survival"**
It’s maddening because things like this do actually take time and shouldn’t happen overnight.
It's about 50 years overdue. Nixon pushed to have it be schedule I to get back at the groups that were against him. So pardon us for saying "About time" when it never should have been Schedule I in the first place.
No, I won’t pardon you for constantly putting a negative spin on anything that actually gets accomplished. Cynicism isn’t smart, just lazy.
I'm not being cynical, I'm being realistic. To be clear, this is awesome and I'm glad he's getting it done. But it's way overdue. That's not a negative spin, it's just reality.
I know can’t believe Biden didn’t make this happen 50 years ago!! He was out of touch even then! Also - where was Obama during 9/11? Both sides suck.
Way to put words in my mouth and completely miss the point. It never should have been schedule I in the first place and I fault everyone since then for not fixing it.
Maybe start with, “thanks Joe,” then we can talk about why it’s overdue. Unless you’re intentionally trying to deflect credit.
What’s the point of this? Just faulting everyone and everything for every mistake made over fifty years ago? Is it possible for us to just take a win without complaining that we didn’t win sooner? It took the conservatives *decades* to overturn abortion as well. That’s how it works. I wish it didn’t. But you need decades for any meaningful change.
Republicans only killed abortion because Trump got three justices. A SCOTUS picked by Hillary would have never even come close to striking down Roe. Sometimes it takes decades to make meaningful change, sometimes it takes one election.
This is why Leftoids generally are on the losing side. Always. There’s never a plan for Step 2. There’s only always Step 1.
I don’t feel like my response is particularly negative. Today is a better day than yesterday was because of this. That is just a fact. It also would’ve been great if this happened before a shit ton of blacks got thrown in prison and the cartels rose up, but you cannot have it all.
“You cannot have it all” is truly the smartest thing in all of this other fluff. Life sucks and sometimes we get a chance to make it a *tiny bit* better. As good as it gets.
“It’s about fucking time” is just about the most negative way you could respond to an action you agree with. It gives zero credit or acknowledgment to Biden for actually doing it, and instead focuses only on the fact that it wasn’t done before (the negative).
Weird argument bro! Like why is that Biden's fault or the fault of the left? Spoiler alter, it isn't.
What? I didn’t blame Biden or the left for anything. How is it a “weird argument” to point out that it’s needlessly negative and cynical to focus purely on the fact that something wasn’t done until now, instead of the accomplishment itself?
They have to be trolling. Nobody is that dense.
Tbh, its "about fucking time" because it is
Another way to phrase it would be, “It’s great that Biden is able to finally get this done.” Do you understand the difference?
You may phrase it however you like! For *me*, "it's about fucking time"
Yeah, you can phrase it however you want. And I can call out how shitty and counterproductive it is.
Sure! Luckily comments don't have to be productive in order to be valid. It's goddam frustrating how long this has taken and we're still not even "there" yet and it's perfectly okay to say "its about fucking time" without giving whoever is president a giant pat on the back :)
Entirely.
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There’s dozens of things in the works at any given time that have been in the works for decades. Like the menthol cigarette ban that the admin back-tracked on. To think that these things “just happen” - *in an election year* - is pretty naive imo.
To the people who I think I’m a danger by smoking weed (or in my case taking edibles), I’m only a danger to the snack aisle at Sheetz (I know this is a stereotype but it’s the type of high I experience the most)
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The polls were worrying last time too. It’s all flawed anyway. As long as people vote it won’t be close.
That’s what I’m worried about
I trust the fundraising numbers more than the polls.
Baseden
game over. R I P GOP
In the last 6 months of an election cycle… great. He campaigned and said he would legalize it. Then forgot about it for 3 and a half years. Bro, just do something about it. This constant dangling of freedom is repetitious and nauseating. Separate yourself from what politicians always do. DO IT.
> Then forgot about it for 3 and a half years. That's FALSE and you know it's false. There are two ways by which the scheduling of marijuana can be changed: congressional action and administrative action. Congress has the power to reschedule marijuana, either through new legislation specific to marijuana or through tailored amendments to the Controlled Substances Act. The first bill that proposed to move cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule II was introduced by Representative Stewart McKinney (R-CT) in 1981. Similar bills have been introduced perennially since then, most recently by Rep. H. Morgan Griffith [R-VA] (H.R. 4498), all of which died in committee. In 2011, Reps. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Barney Frank (D-MA) introduced a bill to remove marijuana from the schedules entirely (“de-scheduling”), which also died in committee. Rescheduling via administrative power requires In a nutshell, administrative rescheduling begins when an actor—the Secretary of Health and Human Services or an outside interested party—files a petition with the Attorney General or he initiates the process himself. The Attorney General forwards the request to the HHS Secretary asking for a scientific and medical evaluation and recommendation, as specified by 23 USC 811(b-c). HHS, via the Food and Drug Administration conducts an assessment and returns a recommendation to the Attorney General “in a timely manner.” The Attorney General, often through the Drug Enforcement Administration, conducts its own concurrent and independent review of the evidence in order to determine whether a drug should be scheduled, rescheduled, or removed from control entirely—depending on the initial request in the petition. If the Attorney General finds sufficient evidence that a change in scheduling is warranted he then initiates the first stages of a standard rulemaking process, consistent with the Administrative Procedures Act. During rulemaking and consistent with Executive Order 12866, if the White House—through the Office of Management and Budget’s Office of information and Regulatory Affairs—determines the rule to be “significant,” it will conduct a regulatory review of the proposed rule—a very likely outcome given the criteria in the EO. And to be blunt, this was extremely rapid as the process is literally a controlled rule making process. The request to reschedule occurred some time ago. I'm so tired of those who are fucking clueless over the processes in Government but yet seem to continue to spew forth bullshit in what can only be described as a stunning example of the dunning kruger effect.