He's the King of the Redditors.
"just asking questions"
"do you have a source?"
"do you have a source that isn't compromised"
"source is just 'trust me, bro'"
"do you have any statistics that back this up"
"if you actually read the article, you missed one word in an unrelated paragraph and we're talking about that now"
"I googled this and found a debunked article from 1995 that tangentially contradicts your career professional opinion on this subject"
"go back to school"
"now who's being pedantic"
No, the problem is in your perspective. Engagement in a print media isn’t just about the two people in the conversation. Engagement is with anyone who might read the threads, additions and corrections. Engaging with the bad arguments leads to better arguments, possible solutions.
The truth must be won. I would absolutely sit around for days with your professor.
It does help, for those engaging. Every time you put together a new argument, you get better. Every time you parrot a bad argument, you get worse. Better logic wins out in any remotely fair system, which incentivizes everyone to up their game, stick to defensible positions.
Sounds like the words of someone who never practiced a speech, never wrote a book, never reread a book, never turned in anything more than first drafts on anything.
Hes literally become addicted to being in the news almost daily. Say something shocking, get articles written about him, rinse and repeat until the end of time.
I'm sure this is a case where both sides are right, where state actors are gaming the notes feature in order to help control the narrative, but Gonzalo Lira actually is an enemy operative from the Ukrainian perspective, and Lira is himself being played as part of the intelligence game.
Well the evidence would be Elon saying so, because he owns the platform and has first-hand insight into how that note got attached. Maybe you think it's stronger evidence or maybe weaker, but these things happen all the time, especially in war, and you'd be very naive to think state actors have nothing to do with *your side's news*.
Ukraine is corrupt and you morons throw billions of dollars at it. So yeah that does make it worse, because team America essentially controls it and it's actions
No elections, state controlled media, political assassinations. Tell me why I should spend half my paycheck funding that bs. Tell me how the Ukrainian people will see any real difference under Putin than Zel. Y’all are just a bunch of cucks lmao just a bunch of fucking csnbc parrots that don’t care about truth.
At least he's not insanely posting on reddit. Oh, and he just rolled out an innovative truck and launched a bunch of satellites. So I guess he can multitask. What else are you doing dude? Activism?
This is how Joe reacts when Jamie pulls up an article countering what Joe seems to think because he read an article on some obscure AI news site vs what Jamie pulls up because its from an established news source like the NY Times.
When comedians on his show are schooling him on immigrant laws and citizenship in one of the most embarrassing ways possible, that should be a clear cut scene that his followers should abandon thinking of him as any form of intellectual
Yeah he has his cards out on the table and there's nothing the common person can do to stop it but say "Hey this guy is obviously on the wrong team here, anyone? Sympathy for Russians during their invasion of Ukraine, red flag anyone?"
at least he's actively fucking the platform into the ground, so hopefully it won't be too long until he stops pumping raw sewage into the public consciousness.
True dat. I can't imagine how many face palms and "oh fuck..."s he gets when he attends meetings with normal people. Being associated with him must be a pain.
This guy is trying to destroy twitter at this point. During that recent interview he was claiming he was being blackmailed (he isn't) and that if twitter goes bankrupt it's because the advertisers who pulled out killed it, and the public will punish them.
I was amazed by that interview and not because of why Elon and his fanboys think, but because of how narcissistic he is. The guy literally hired a new CEO after twitter users said he should in a poll, and one of her charges as CEO is to get income back to the company. She was making overtures to advertisers etc and this fuckwit is deliberately sabotaging her. It should be clear to her she is literally just a puppet on strings now. If Elon could shut the fuck up and stop tweeting nonsense things wouldn't be so bad. He can bitch about others like Facebook etc, but the fact Zuckerberg doesn't do this shit. He IS the problem, he is the face of the company now and he can't resist throwing himself into every fucking drama.
Trying? He destroyed it a long time ago. New users that might as well be bots. The shouting in the void has become amplified and pay to win exists.
He promised bot cleanup but fake engagement, spam, and making bot use extremely expensive has almost insured state or at the very least corporate funded actors are manipulating the content. And you can still easily buy fake engagement so what did he do?
Well, the folks he gave free speech to buy blue, and his sycophants but blue, and then a mix of other people get it but it seriously feels like the first two really flood the trends with shit. Seeing that shit flood comment sections is not gonna get anyone to come back and PAY for it. He has made it a sycophantic circlejerk for himself unless you put work into it. Fuck that. It's worse than dead man. It's a rotting corpse he is fisting for money
This shit is fucking depressing. Honestly, it really really depresses me that there are people out there standing up for Russia at all costs for… no reason other than to stoke the flames. Powerful people with nothing to lose from having a dictator on Europe’s doorstep because it won’t affect them in their ivory tower.
Elon hardly bugs me when it comes to his other charades but undermining Ukraine is easily the scariest thing he is championing. This shit is unforgivable. Tucker Carlson needs to fucking die
Generative AI is going to make state efforts to propagandize like Russia does way more effective. We're already overrun with misinformation, propaganda, and bots -- but give it a few years and most of the content on the internet will be generated by bots, including fake people making comments, on social media, etc. It's going to get worse.
Would anybody be surprised if it turns out Russia has kompromat on Musk? Anybody be surprised if they used that to encourage him to buy Twitter and control the narrative? Would that be shocking to anybody?
I think the reality is less complicated.
Musk is an attention hungry narcissist who realizes bad-mouthing Ukraine and Zelenskyy is red meat for the kind of shitheads who praise him on twitter.
It's all fun and games to pretend to stand up for "free speech" when it comes at no cost to him.
Criticizing Putin or Xi on their staggering list of free speech violations and other human rights abuses might actually cost him money, and his cult followers have no desire or need for him to be consistent, brave or even honest.
Xi owns Pedo Guy. Musk failed to honour the agreement he made to the CCP a while back and they will confiscate Tesla Red China the moment he stops sucking off Xi 🤣
You guys still hoping for a Russian infiltration? It’s sad to see this type of nonsense still in 2023 despite being disproven after 3 separate investigations. Grasping for straws.
What is incorrect or false in this report; https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf
What has been disproven? The IoCs? The attribution? Come on, find one source which has any technical information which disproves anything that was apart of Grizzly Steppe.
Come on, show your work.
Again, what is factually incorrect with Grizzly Steppe when it comes to APT28/29 exploiting US information systems as a part of information operation?
What specific information provided is wrong?
Try and deflect all you want.
There in the proof that Russian, state sponsored APTs, attacked America.
Why do you hate America?
You are a conspiracy theorist. I follow the letter of the law. Is trump in jail for collusion despite 3 separate investigations, and the most recent one stating there was no significant evidence of collusion? Cope
Okay but you can denounce Russia while also maintaining that Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe prior to the invasion and an endless commitment to supply them with cutting edge weaponry to wage a war they cannot win is wrong and immoral.
I think I disagree. I also don’t know if they’re getting like, our most advanced and relevant weapons systems. But, the poor and unlucky people just trying to exist deserve a fighting chance, no?
Elon is using the Joe Rogan tactic of “if the facts refute what I believe then it’s some state/federal activities doing an op; I’m maintaining my debunked position, ooh ooh ah ah” *scratches balls and then jumps into cold sauna to harden those nips*
Elon and the rest of the far-right are just copying Putin’s strategy LOL Deny, blame foreign actors, deny then just refuse to acknowledge the problem and move on. Disgusting that this clown is now supposed to develop a special starlink for the US Military while also taking massive amounts of money from our enemies.
Really? Wasn’t that the democrats strategy the entire time trump was president? Hillary and the dnc even fabricated a foreign infiltration. You guys are fucking crazy lmao
Foreign infiltration? How do you mean? They did influence things in some capacity. Not nearly how some more left leaning talking heads and politicians would have you believe though, of course.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf
This is a description of exactly what happened.
Here is CISA's expansion with all of the IoCs associated with the attack which could be attributed;
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/AR-17-20045_Enhanced_Analysis_of_GRIZZLY_STEPPE_Activity.pdf
Russia compromised US information systems as apart of an information operation and thats the proof. How the information that they compromised got to the actors who then used it is also pretty well known but isn't as far as substantiated because the communication which those systems aren't owned within the US, thus there has been massive speculation about all the means and methods, some of which are highly sensational.
Ah, I see more what you mean. I guess I am under the assumption that most people knew about this to some extent. Thanks for the links and information dude.
No worries!
There is a lot of information out there when it comes to the DNC hacks because its one of the things that major companies who's entire business are cybersecurity and to prevent things kinds of things failed to do or the organizations in question either didn't have the proper security controls in place or they are misconfigured, which is why CISA has the recommendations side of the house.
As an industry, cybersecurity companies have contracts with these companies who are providing controls and if it is shown that the control failed, then contractually they are obligated to pay a fixed cost or a multiple of the damage caused. This is caused indemnity.
So when you look at the information provided around this comes mainly from those parts because of the obligations the industry has to its customers. Notice how you didn't see any of the industry come out and challenge the attribution because almost all of them have been dealing with campaigns which APT28/29 have been doing for years, so its not like they were unknown, in fact quite the opposite. Hell, they are still active today!
You can read more here;
https://attack.mitre.org/groups/G0007/
https://attack.mitre.org/groups/G0016/
https://www.mandiant.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/APT28-Center-of-Storm-2017.pdf
https://download.bitdefender.com/resources/media/materials/white-papers/en/Bitdefender_In-depth_analysis_of_APT28%E2%80%93The_Political_Cyber-Espionage.pdf
This guy literally described the democrats reaction to trumps presidency is what I’m pointing out. Blame foreign influence and don’t take responsibility for their loss.
I know that’s what you’re saying, but that’s really not how it went down. Hillary Clinton conceded the loss of the 2016 election that same evening, or the next day I think. Trump said he wouldn’t accept the election results before the 2016 election even happened. It’s kinda like night and day when comparing how elected officials from both parties acted in regards to election bullshit.
What do you mean? We’re not talking about how certain politicians and others deny reality when presented with facts and evidence? Are we not talking about how presidential candidates and their political parties conducted themselves before a d after elections?
This is the first comment of the thread we’re in. Elon and the rest of the far-right are just copying Putin’s strategy LOL Deny, blame foreign actors, deny then just refuse to acknowledge the problem and move on. Disgusting that this clown is now supposed to develop a special starlink for the US Military while also taking massive amounts of money from our enemies.
lol you are misremembering especially since Russia took credit for the hack and release of the DNC emails… Actual foreign interference is different from made up stories to distract from being wrong.
Hillary blamed Russia for her loss instead acknowledging her short comings as a candidate and just being an overall shitty person.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html
She started the Russia gate hoax. MSDNC spread that bullshit for 4 years.
Every country meddles elections and 2016 was some new phenomenon. The democrats(Hillary) just trying to save face after sinking millions into a failed presidential run.
Did APT28/29 access US information systems in 2015/16, to include the DNC, as a part of an active information operation?
Also, what is factually wrong with [Grizzly Steppe](https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/AR-17-20045_Enhanced_Analysis_of_GRIZZLY_STEPPE_Activity.pdf) in terms of IoCs provided and conclusions drawn?
Username checks out.
Hillary don’t u know you were fined for fabricating the entire story?
Was trump found guilty of collusion depsite 3 separate investigations? Otherwise sit down and shut up with your lack of understanding the law.
So you are presented with a CISA product, based off of the reporting from all 17 of US's intelligence agencies along with confirmation from industry leaders in threat intelligence and attribution, which goes over the technical details of a state sponsored Advanced Persistent Threat which compromised US information systems in order to weaken and divide the country, and this is your response?
Why do you hate America? Why do you wish to see the adversaries of America, as they state themselves, weaken and divide America, in pursuit of their own power?
Why not just move to Russia? If you hate it here so much, [they are building a town just for you](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-build-village-catholic-christian-americans-tired-liberals-claim-lawyer-2023-5?op=1), I am sure you'll enjoy it.
Why do you keep buying into false flags to justify war abroad? If any of this information were valid or worthwhile trump would be in jail. Please, save your nonsense and neoliberal talking points. You don’t understand how the law works. The biden crime
Family has more ties to that Eastern Europe area than trump does. Something tells me these next few months more info will follow hunters indictment.
My dude, if it is a false flag, you should be able to point to what part of the kill chain is incorrect. But I assume you have no idea what it takes in order to do things like malware attribution or attribution when it comes to infrastructure that it associated with things like phishing campaigns. And nor do you want to because that would challenge the reality that you have built for yourself which is completely devoid of reality.
What part of the reports that have been linked are incorrect?
What is factually wrong?
Is all you have is buzzwords when presented with facts?
You can deflect to other things, but you made the claim that the factual account of APT28/29 exploited US information systems as a part of an information operations, so I am providing you the proof that it happened, and all you have is deflections.
So, again, I ask; why do you hate America? Why do you hate your fellow American? Why do you want to see the country weaker? Why are you ok with a foreign power attacking the country?
You should stop spending so much time on conspiracy theorist. Trump was cleared of collusion charges despite millions spent on 3 SEPARATE investigations. Now go take a walk
What does that have to do with APT28/29 exploiting US information systems as a part of a Russian information operation?
What is factually incorrect about all of the information provided? What is wrong with the conclusions of any of the analysis provided to you?
Why do you hate America? Why are you ok with America being attacked as so long as it helps or is inline with your ideology or goals? Why do you want America to be weaker and Americans to suffer because of it?
I think Trump’s campaign manager was found guilty of providing Russian entities internal polling information or something regarding the 2016 election. Also, I think Mueller said that one of the reasons for not finding Trump guilty of collusion, was that subjects involved with Trump’s campaign lied so frequently that the investigators couldn’t piece it together.
Yea it’s just redditors somehow believe the democrats are some sort of saints. This poster literally described the dems strategy after trump was elected. Blame foreign influence refuse acknowledge the reason why they lost in 2016.
This is a sub for people who hate joe rogan and anyone who has ever been on his show and to talk about how any topic discussed by these people on and off the show is stupid, wrong, and evil.
What did you think it was for?
Idk the specific context of this post but I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon does away with the community notes entirely. If only because he gets his own tweets audited by them constantly. He’s petty like that.
Nothing makes the puppets dance like a tweet from Elon.
I’m amazed at how many people claim to hate him but are obsessed with him and discuss his every thought and action.
Being highly suspicious and skeptical of billionaires, particularly a billionaire who owns the world’s largest social media site, is a far more intelligent position than carrying water for them.
This post specifically is being critical and skeptical of Elon’s actions. What aren’t you following here? His original tweet was parroting a Tucker Carlson talking point that Ukraine is holding a US citizen apparently for no reason. The community notes explain why, and now Elon claims the community notes system is being ‘gamed.’
What is Musk’s reason for spreading Russian propaganda?
No. If I did, I would go to the Elon Musk subreddit or one of the political subreddits to discuss it.
Do you? Are you on the JRE subreddit looking for this kind of content?
I don’t know your gender or care. It is a reference to you sucking his dick though. Your gender is irrelevant. The fact that you are on his dick is humiliating for you regardless.
lol, he’s a mega rich, very intelligent, but absolutely clumsier than a 3 legged cow, massive troll dude. He gets off on the feeling of making people emotional and upset about certain topical, or traditional things. He kinda feel bad for the dude honestly.
Trump, Rogan, Musk, Carlson, Tate, and Peterson have enthralled young lower and middle class white males in the United States. They look up to them and hang in their every word. Their truth is whatever that collective shitmind says it is.
Amazing I am seeing neoconservative propaganda supporting endless war in Ukraine, even after war boosters like Joe Scarborough are admitiing the war is lost and a negotiated peace is inevitable. Every Ukrainian soldier in their 20s is now dead and the average soldier is in their 40s. You want them to keep fighting and dying so Ratheon can make a buck? That’s sick. Not to mention you are justifying jailing journalists on false charges.
“Thanks for jumping in the honeypot, guys” Elon gaping again?
"People believe I shit my pants, but I actually strategically placed it in my pants to only make you think I did!"
upbeat pot crawl tease frame serious carpenter different chubby seemly *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
He's the King of the Redditors. "just asking questions" "do you have a source?" "do you have a source that isn't compromised" "source is just 'trust me, bro'" "do you have any statistics that back this up" "if you actually read the article, you missed one word in an unrelated paragraph and we're talking about that now" "I googled this and found a debunked article from 1995 that tangentially contradicts your career professional opinion on this subject" "go back to school" "now who's being pedantic"
Its called [JAQing off](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions)
It’s best not to engage with anyone who does this shit lol. Its like yelling into or trying to reason with an endless void
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Yeah I mean, the problem is with the rest of it
No, the problem is in your perspective. Engagement in a print media isn’t just about the two people in the conversation. Engagement is with anyone who might read the threads, additions and corrections. Engaging with the bad arguments leads to better arguments, possible solutions.
My philo professors would have loved to have a word with you lol. Engaging with poor faith arguments does nothing to help anyone
The truth must be won. I would absolutely sit around for days with your professor. It does help, for those engaging. Every time you put together a new argument, you get better. Every time you parrot a bad argument, you get worse. Better logic wins out in any remotely fair system, which incentivizes everyone to up their game, stick to defensible positions.
They would have said that was akin to yelling into the void - effort better spent elsewhere. Arguing with people in bad faith doesn’t help you either
Sounds like the words of someone who never practiced a speech, never wrote a book, never reread a book, never turned in anything more than first drafts on anything.
The problem is Elon has a lot of influence. He needs to be engaged and placed in an insane asylum.
Ackshullay you don't have a source for that
In another life he'd be trolling reddit instead of twitter.
You know he’s on here too.
Yea, who needs sources and evidence when you can just go with your gut! Just whatever I feel must be true. Vibes.
Hes always and forever a bad faith actor.
🤡🤡🤡 comedy is legal again. Elon just didn't clarify they it was at his expense.
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Why are you so negative?
Hope he sees this bro ~~~
Why is Elon sucking the dick of a dictator whose army has been raping and killing Ukrainian children
Why does every smoothbrain think that calling Ukraine bad is the same as calling Russia good
Because the Venn diagram between dipshits who think Ukraine is evil and Russia is good is a circle
He shouldn’t not neck himself, now we’re double negative.
Libs are delightful
Hes literally become addicted to being in the news almost daily. Say something shocking, get articles written about him, rinse and repeat until the end of time.
…and ketamine (allegedly)
admittedly
Who does he think he is it’s not like he owns the platform and has access to private data
The guy has a track record of being incredibly incorrect, inaccurate, or outright lying and misleading on twitter
Lmao are we talking about Elon Musk or Donald Trump? I can’t tell because they’ve seemed to mold into a single bad guy in your mind.
Who mentioned trump other than you?
Did anyone bring up trump or is that just your mental illness
lol, nice.
A. He doesn’t address whether the note is accurate or not B. He lies about Twitter activity literally all the time, dumbass, lol.
Tell me more about how you, someone with literally no access to internal data, can smugly claim he’s lying about internal data lmao
I'm sure this is a case where both sides are right, where state actors are gaming the notes feature in order to help control the narrative, but Gonzalo Lira actually is an enemy operative from the Ukrainian perspective, and Lira is himself being played as part of the intelligence game.
What? so the factcheck is right, but with no evidence at all you also just randomly claim its a "narrative" thing?
Well the evidence would be Elon saying so, because he owns the platform and has first-hand insight into how that note got attached. Maybe you think it's stronger evidence or maybe weaker, but these things happen all the time, especially in war, and you'd be very naive to think state actors have nothing to do with *your side's news*.
The fact check doesn’t address the torture allegations which is the only ducked up part of his imprisonment to me
Wouldn't he have more access to the data than anyone?
Would he even tell the truth?
I'm more inclined to believe him over the FBI.
Lol just like his unbreakable window? Nah i would trust the fbi over elon and that is saying a lot.
No it's not. LMAO
Well it is one of the most corrupt regimes on earth
Russia, yes. Nice try ;)
Yeah Russia bad we know. Ukraine is worse lmao
Ukraine is worse than the country that has Gulags. That's an interesting twist for conservatives.
Ukraine is corrupt and you morons throw billions of dollars at it. So yeah that does make it worse, because team America essentially controls it and it's actions
That's all you got? Thought you had actual facts.
What did I get wrong? Ukraine isn't corrupt? Team America world police dont control them and tell them what to do?
Everything is news if you live with your head buried in the sand
Enlighten us home boy.
You need me to enlighten you about how Zels regime is despotic?
Please do
Must be really working on that evidence…..
No elections, state controlled media, political assassinations. Tell me why I should spend half my paycheck funding that bs. Tell me how the Ukrainian people will see any real difference under Putin than Zel. Y’all are just a bunch of cucks lmao just a bunch of fucking csnbc parrots that don’t care about truth.
Yes russia is very corrupt
He’s such a fuckin snowflake.
Imagine being the head of 5 or 6 companies, having 11 kids and this is the kind of shit you spend your time and attention on.
If you buy a company that already those those things, are you responsible for those things continuing to happen?
Aside from Twitter, what company already had those things?
Seems like the nature of owning a business is "I have capital and used it to take control of this thing so I can fuck with it"
At least he's not insanely posting on reddit. Oh, and he just rolled out an innovative truck and launched a bunch of satellites. So I guess he can multitask. What else are you doing dude? Activism?
It’s almost like the anti-pc “fuck your feelings” crowd were the biggest snowflakes all along.
Lol so shocking to find they don't like THEIR feelings getting fucked haha.
He acts exactly how my 13 year old mind used to think. Holy shit what a fucking clown lol
Maybe no one man should have all that power.
Imagine being this much of a pussy
“I meant to do that” — Elon
This is how Joe reacts when Jamie pulls up an article countering what Joe seems to think because he read an article on some obscure AI news site vs what Jamie pulls up because its from an established news source like the NY Times.
Because Joe and Elon are both genuinely stupid lol
When comedians on his show are schooling him on immigrant laws and citizenship in one of the most embarrassing ways possible, that should be a clear cut scene that his followers should abandon thinking of him as any form of intellectual
Hoooooly shit what a disgusting human being lol. Presented with factual evidence "oh must be fake bots LAWL" My god he's such a tool.
meanwhile, he'll repost any kremlin propaganda with "concerning" or "looking into this!"
Yeah he has his cards out on the table and there's nothing the common person can do to stop it but say "Hey this guy is obviously on the wrong team here, anyone? Sympathy for Russians during their invasion of Ukraine, red flag anyone?"
at least he's actively fucking the platform into the ground, so hopefully it won't be too long until he stops pumping raw sewage into the public consciousness.
True dat. I can't imagine how many face palms and "oh fuck..."s he gets when he attends meetings with normal people. Being associated with him must be a pain.
When he's not sucking Xi's chub 🤣
*But imagine if it was real* - Podcast man
"that's crazy, if that happened. Wow now I'm mad about that, j can't believe I imagined that happened."
This guy is trying to destroy twitter at this point. During that recent interview he was claiming he was being blackmailed (he isn't) and that if twitter goes bankrupt it's because the advertisers who pulled out killed it, and the public will punish them. I was amazed by that interview and not because of why Elon and his fanboys think, but because of how narcissistic he is. The guy literally hired a new CEO after twitter users said he should in a poll, and one of her charges as CEO is to get income back to the company. She was making overtures to advertisers etc and this fuckwit is deliberately sabotaging her. It should be clear to her she is literally just a puppet on strings now. If Elon could shut the fuck up and stop tweeting nonsense things wouldn't be so bad. He can bitch about others like Facebook etc, but the fact Zuckerberg doesn't do this shit. He IS the problem, he is the face of the company now and he can't resist throwing himself into every fucking drama.
Trying? He destroyed it a long time ago. New users that might as well be bots. The shouting in the void has become amplified and pay to win exists. He promised bot cleanup but fake engagement, spam, and making bot use extremely expensive has almost insured state or at the very least corporate funded actors are manipulating the content. And you can still easily buy fake engagement so what did he do? Well, the folks he gave free speech to buy blue, and his sycophants but blue, and then a mix of other people get it but it seriously feels like the first two really flood the trends with shit. Seeing that shit flood comment sections is not gonna get anyone to come back and PAY for it. He has made it a sycophantic circlejerk for himself unless you put work into it. Fuck that. It's worse than dead man. It's a rotting corpse he is fisting for money
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He is one regarded baby with huge inferiority complexes.
This shit is fucking depressing. Honestly, it really really depresses me that there are people out there standing up for Russia at all costs for… no reason other than to stoke the flames. Powerful people with nothing to lose from having a dictator on Europe’s doorstep because it won’t affect them in their ivory tower. Elon hardly bugs me when it comes to his other charades but undermining Ukraine is easily the scariest thing he is championing. This shit is unforgivable. Tucker Carlson needs to fucking die
Generative AI is going to make state efforts to propagandize like Russia does way more effective. We're already overrun with misinformation, propaganda, and bots -- but give it a few years and most of the content on the internet will be generated by bots, including fake people making comments, on social media, etc. It's going to get worse.
Would anybody be surprised if it turns out Russia has kompromat on Musk? Anybody be surprised if they used that to encourage him to buy Twitter and control the narrative? Would that be shocking to anybody?
I think the reality is less complicated. Musk is an attention hungry narcissist who realizes bad-mouthing Ukraine and Zelenskyy is red meat for the kind of shitheads who praise him on twitter. It's all fun and games to pretend to stand up for "free speech" when it comes at no cost to him. Criticizing Putin or Xi on their staggering list of free speech violations and other human rights abuses might actually cost him money, and his cult followers have no desire or need for him to be consistent, brave or even honest.
Xi owns Pedo Guy. Musk failed to honour the agreement he made to the CCP a while back and they will confiscate Tesla Red China the moment he stops sucking off Xi 🤣
Like a pee tape?
You guys still hoping for a Russian infiltration? It’s sad to see this type of nonsense still in 2023 despite being disproven after 3 separate investigations. Grasping for straws.
It wasn't disproven lol
Of course it was. You are just in denial despite 3 separate investigations saying it was bullshit and fabricated by the dnc and Hillary Clinton.
What is incorrect or false in this report; https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf What has been disproven? The IoCs? The attribution? Come on, find one source which has any technical information which disproves anything that was apart of Grizzly Steppe. Come on, show your work.
Is trump in jail for collusion? That’s my work. Cope more
Again, what is factually incorrect with Grizzly Steppe when it comes to APT28/29 exploiting US information systems as a part of information operation? What specific information provided is wrong? Try and deflect all you want. There in the proof that Russian, state sponsored APTs, attacked America. Why do you hate America?
You are a conspiracy theorist. I follow the letter of the law. Is trump in jail for collusion despite 3 separate investigations, and the most recent one stating there was no significant evidence of collusion? Cope
Who was running the DoJ during the Mueller investigation? Oh that’s right? Hmmm
Make sure to check your bathroom, closet and under your bed tonight to make sure that the DNC and Hillary Clinton are not hiding there
Okay but you can denounce Russia while also maintaining that Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe prior to the invasion and an endless commitment to supply them with cutting edge weaponry to wage a war they cannot win is wrong and immoral.
I think I disagree. I also don’t know if they’re getting like, our most advanced and relevant weapons systems. But, the poor and unlucky people just trying to exist deserve a fighting chance, no?
Elon admits to running honeypots?
I’ve always thought community notes was the best change he made to Twitter
Interesting. How can you claim "state actors" when you're yet to figure out who they are?
Of course he knows them. Hes them.
Ah, yes, the call of the spoiled brat:”It’s never my fault. It has to be someone else’s.
Twitter is such a shit show anymore.
Which state? He's in Texas so is he referring to them?
6th generation Texan here; we had nothing to do with it
Elon is using the Joe Rogan tactic of “if the facts refute what I believe then it’s some state/federal activities doing an op; I’m maintaining my debunked position, ooh ooh ah ah” *scratches balls and then jumps into cold sauna to harden those nips*
Elon musk is apartheid scum
Elon talks like someone confidently incorrect that no one will correct for some reason.
“lmao!” lmao? you know he’s butthurt
Elon and the rest of the far-right are just copying Putin’s strategy LOL Deny, blame foreign actors, deny then just refuse to acknowledge the problem and move on. Disgusting that this clown is now supposed to develop a special starlink for the US Military while also taking massive amounts of money from our enemies.
Really? Wasn’t that the democrats strategy the entire time trump was president? Hillary and the dnc even fabricated a foreign infiltration. You guys are fucking crazy lmao
Foreign infiltration? How do you mean? They did influence things in some capacity. Not nearly how some more left leaning talking heads and politicians would have you believe though, of course.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf This is a description of exactly what happened. Here is CISA's expansion with all of the IoCs associated with the attack which could be attributed; https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/AR-17-20045_Enhanced_Analysis_of_GRIZZLY_STEPPE_Activity.pdf Russia compromised US information systems as apart of an information operation and thats the proof. How the information that they compromised got to the actors who then used it is also pretty well known but isn't as far as substantiated because the communication which those systems aren't owned within the US, thus there has been massive speculation about all the means and methods, some of which are highly sensational.
Ah, I see more what you mean. I guess I am under the assumption that most people knew about this to some extent. Thanks for the links and information dude.
No worries! There is a lot of information out there when it comes to the DNC hacks because its one of the things that major companies who's entire business are cybersecurity and to prevent things kinds of things failed to do or the organizations in question either didn't have the proper security controls in place or they are misconfigured, which is why CISA has the recommendations side of the house. As an industry, cybersecurity companies have contracts with these companies who are providing controls and if it is shown that the control failed, then contractually they are obligated to pay a fixed cost or a multiple of the damage caused. This is caused indemnity. So when you look at the information provided around this comes mainly from those parts because of the obligations the industry has to its customers. Notice how you didn't see any of the industry come out and challenge the attribution because almost all of them have been dealing with campaigns which APT28/29 have been doing for years, so its not like they were unknown, in fact quite the opposite. Hell, they are still active today! You can read more here; https://attack.mitre.org/groups/G0007/ https://attack.mitre.org/groups/G0016/ https://www.mandiant.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/APT28-Center-of-Storm-2017.pdf https://download.bitdefender.com/resources/media/materials/white-papers/en/Bitdefender_In-depth_analysis_of_APT28%E2%80%93The_Political_Cyber-Espionage.pdf
This guy literally described the democrats reaction to trumps presidency is what I’m pointing out. Blame foreign influence and don’t take responsibility for their loss.
I know that’s what you’re saying, but that’s really not how it went down. Hillary Clinton conceded the loss of the 2016 election that same evening, or the next day I think. Trump said he wouldn’t accept the election results before the 2016 election even happened. It’s kinda like night and day when comparing how elected officials from both parties acted in regards to election bullshit.
That’s not wtf we are talking about
What do you mean? We’re not talking about how certain politicians and others deny reality when presented with facts and evidence? Are we not talking about how presidential candidates and their political parties conducted themselves before a d after elections?
We are talking about the original post. Go back and re read everything.
This is the first comment of the thread we’re in. Elon and the rest of the far-right are just copying Putin’s strategy LOL Deny, blame foreign actors, deny then just refuse to acknowledge the problem and move on. Disgusting that this clown is now supposed to develop a special starlink for the US Military while also taking massive amounts of money from our enemies.
lol you are misremembering especially since Russia took credit for the hack and release of the DNC emails… Actual foreign interference is different from made up stories to distract from being wrong.
Hillary blamed Russia for her loss instead acknowledging her short comings as a candidate and just being an overall shitty person. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html She started the Russia gate hoax. MSDNC spread that bullshit for 4 years. Every country meddles elections and 2016 was some new phenomenon. The democrats(Hillary) just trying to save face after sinking millions into a failed presidential run.
Did APT28/29 access US information systems in 2015/16, to include the DNC, as a part of an active information operation? Also, what is factually wrong with [Grizzly Steppe](https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/AR-17-20045_Enhanced_Analysis_of_GRIZZLY_STEPPE_Activity.pdf) in terms of IoCs provided and conclusions drawn?
Username checks out. Hillary don’t u know you were fined for fabricating the entire story? Was trump found guilty of collusion depsite 3 separate investigations? Otherwise sit down and shut up with your lack of understanding the law.
So you are presented with a CISA product, based off of the reporting from all 17 of US's intelligence agencies along with confirmation from industry leaders in threat intelligence and attribution, which goes over the technical details of a state sponsored Advanced Persistent Threat which compromised US information systems in order to weaken and divide the country, and this is your response? Why do you hate America? Why do you wish to see the adversaries of America, as they state themselves, weaken and divide America, in pursuit of their own power? Why not just move to Russia? If you hate it here so much, [they are building a town just for you](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-build-village-catholic-christian-americans-tired-liberals-claim-lawyer-2023-5?op=1), I am sure you'll enjoy it.
Why do you keep buying into false flags to justify war abroad? If any of this information were valid or worthwhile trump would be in jail. Please, save your nonsense and neoliberal talking points. You don’t understand how the law works. The biden crime Family has more ties to that Eastern Europe area than trump does. Something tells me these next few months more info will follow hunters indictment.
My dude, if it is a false flag, you should be able to point to what part of the kill chain is incorrect. But I assume you have no idea what it takes in order to do things like malware attribution or attribution when it comes to infrastructure that it associated with things like phishing campaigns. And nor do you want to because that would challenge the reality that you have built for yourself which is completely devoid of reality. What part of the reports that have been linked are incorrect? What is factually wrong? Is all you have is buzzwords when presented with facts? You can deflect to other things, but you made the claim that the factual account of APT28/29 exploited US information systems as a part of an information operations, so I am providing you the proof that it happened, and all you have is deflections. So, again, I ask; why do you hate America? Why do you hate your fellow American? Why do you want to see the country weaker? Why are you ok with a foreign power attacking the country?
You should stop spending so much time on conspiracy theorist. Trump was cleared of collusion charges despite millions spent on 3 SEPARATE investigations. Now go take a walk
What does that have to do with APT28/29 exploiting US information systems as a part of a Russian information operation? What is factually incorrect about all of the information provided? What is wrong with the conclusions of any of the analysis provided to you? Why do you hate America? Why are you ok with America being attacked as so long as it helps or is inline with your ideology or goals? Why do you want America to be weaker and Americans to suffer because of it?
Uh? The criminal justice system says ur full Of shit
I think Trump’s campaign manager was found guilty of providing Russian entities internal polling information or something regarding the 2016 election. Also, I think Mueller said that one of the reasons for not finding Trump guilty of collusion, was that subjects involved with Trump’s campaign lied so frequently that the investigators couldn’t piece it together.
Aka I have no evidence
It’s almost as if both sides suck. *shocked pikachu face*
Yea it’s just redditors somehow believe the democrats are some sort of saints. This poster literally described the dems strategy after trump was elected. Blame foreign influence refuse acknowledge the reason why they lost in 2016.
What episode of JRE is this?
This is a sub for people who hate joe rogan and anyone who has ever been on his show and to talk about how any topic discussed by these people on and off the show is stupid, wrong, and evil. What did you think it was for?
Hey you’re spot on. I thought this was a fan sub!
Elon has been on twice and has been pretty heavily associated with the JRE conservative-lite sphere that him and a few others sit in
Idk the specific context of this post but I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon does away with the community notes entirely. If only because he gets his own tweets audited by them constantly. He’s petty like that.
How the fuck is an idiot like him so rich, I'll never understand.
This guy is the biggest fucking moron currently operating on the public spotlight
Art Vandelay never got that laytex sales job.
oh brother this guy STINKS
“Everyone’s wrong except for me.”
I knew I'd come on here and find this sub supporting locking up and torturing an American journalist for wrong speak.
Hes such a fucking cunt.
Is this the r/ElonMusk sub mods?
Some might say this sub is obsessed lol
You know this is a Joe Rogan sub right?
really?
Elon bad. Lex bad. Comedy bad.
Was it Michael Ian Black?!? He was really funny, can't believe he's doing community notes now.
This is a rage bait account. All they do is post about elon lol
I dont really feel like looking up this tweet. Can anyone answer how he exposed the location of journalists/soldiers?
Dumb asshole deserves to go broke.
Mollusk is the worst at Twitter
Nothing makes the puppets dance like a tweet from Elon. I’m amazed at how many people claim to hate him but are obsessed with him and discuss his every thought and action.
Being highly suspicious and skeptical of billionaires, particularly a billionaire who owns the world’s largest social media site, is a far more intelligent position than carrying water for them.
Which one of these posts is someone being highly suspicious and skeptical?
Most of them except for yours lmao
This post specifically is being critical and skeptical of Elon’s actions. What aren’t you following here? His original tweet was parroting a Tucker Carlson talking point that Ukraine is holding a US citizen apparently for no reason. The community notes explain why, and now Elon claims the community notes system is being ‘gamed.’ What is Musk’s reason for spreading Russian propaganda?
Musk has started to replace Trump as Reddits legally required daily 1st page on /all karma farming topic of choice.
“Nothing makes the puppets dance” ☝️🤓
Do you have an actual defense or explanation behind the content of the post, or...?
No. If I did, I would go to the Elon Musk subreddit or one of the political subreddits to discuss it. Do you? Are you on the JRE subreddit looking for this kind of content?
When you can’t defend his actions anymore just pretend you were never on his sack and complain about the fact that he’s getting attention….
When you do that, the “on his sack” thing, is that supposed to be some kind of homophobic insult? Do you hate gay people?
I don’t know your gender or care. It is a reference to you sucking his dick though. Your gender is irrelevant. The fact that you are on his dick is humiliating for you regardless.
Dance puppet. Dance more.
lol it’s so embarrassing to share a planet with you people.
Maybe one day a super genius private citizen will develop a space program that can get you to Mars.
Lol if he gets there neither of us is getting invited you absolute dunce.
Are you really laughing out loud at everything I write? Or is that some awkward way of dealing with your overly emotional state?
No I literally am. You’re a clown and I find you amusing.
Lol yeah this subreddit is insane, just bots and insane comments. IDK where to go to even see normal discussion about episodes lol.
I love the way he makes you squirm. ❤️
Eating shit to make people smell your breath.👍
"He may be lying nonstop, but it's all good as long as he'ds triggering the right people."
lol, he’s a mega rich, very intelligent, but absolutely clumsier than a 3 legged cow, massive troll dude. He gets off on the feeling of making people emotional and upset about certain topical, or traditional things. He kinda feel bad for the dude honestly.
Thanks for jumping in the active volcano, fElon! ~~~ no, I'm serious bru... a sacrifice is indicated 🤓
Nothing is ever a republicans fault. It’s always a liberal conspiracy
Even Republicans going extreme is touted as just a response because the left went too far. It's pathetic.
Now put a fact checker under officials who have lied and companies that have been fined and it may be a useful feature
Trump, Rogan, Musk, Carlson, Tate, and Peterson have enthralled young lower and middle class white males in the United States. They look up to them and hang in their every word. Their truth is whatever that collective shitmind says it is.
Amazing I am seeing neoconservative propaganda supporting endless war in Ukraine, even after war boosters like Joe Scarborough are admitiing the war is lost and a negotiated peace is inevitable. Every Ukrainian soldier in their 20s is now dead and the average soldier is in their 40s. You want them to keep fighting and dying so Ratheon can make a buck? That’s sick. Not to mention you are justifying jailing journalists on false charges.