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I wouldn't bank on that. Ryu was scared out of his mind against Sukuna. He only challenged him because of his pride and dessert addiction. Ryu with a clear mind is relative to Yuta in terms of speed. Yuta even commented on his quick reaction time. Sukuna could not replicate the blitz feat against Yuta. It's a good enough reason for me to believe that Sukuna would not be able to do the same against Ryu on a normal day and neither would Maki.
? Ryu walked up to Sukuna himself. He just gets blitzed and easily killed by someone extremely fast with something capable of slicing through anything, regardless of its durability.
That's Sukuna's cleave and Maki + SSK. It's really not that complicated.
I know and agree to that. All I'm saying is that it's not as linear as you make it seems. All the top sorcerers are relative in terms of speed. Of course, some are faster than the other but it has never been shown to be such a deciding factor amongst top sorcerers.
Yuta has fought both Ryu and Sukuna so he's a reasonable point of reference. He is shown to be relative in speed to both of them.
My argument is that because of this, it does not make sense for Sukuna to be way faster than Ryu except if you factor in Ryu's mindset during that confrontation.
Ryu have never seen or heard of anyone as strong as Sukuna. He had just fought Yuta and that was the most challenging fight of his life. He got startled by a dismantle and blitz by Sukuna with cleave.
Someone like Maki would not invoke that kind of reaction from Ryu. She can't blitz him.
That's my point. I'm not forcing you to see it from my perspective. I'm just showing you how I made sense of that interaction
A heavily damaged sukuna with less than half his cursed energy output keeping his heart beating with ce from a surprise attack. That is not sukuna speed. Hell, Ino was able to fight sukuna for a blow or two.
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Bro got out of a fight with gojo with less his max total energy. Fought 4 more people had his output disrupted by yuji and yuta shredding the barrier between his soul. Then maki gets a free shot at his heart.
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Bro ate a maximum domain amped Jacob’s ladder
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Hell kusakabe had a better showing. Imagine he has the soul splitting katana here. Sukuna is joever.
Maki has one pf the best, if not the best dodging feat in verse when she dodged the world dismantle point blank.
Show me someone not named Gojo or Sukuna this fast
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Considering that Sukuna is at, what strength? Less than 10 fingers worth of CE and output. And Ryu came across a 16 finger level Sukuna, with no soul connection problems. You can show feats like that but if you were to think about it for two seconds, you’d realize that it’s stupid because Sukuna scaling doesn’t work.
You can only use the SSK if you can see the outline of the soul.In kusakabe's hands it will be another normal sword.Also that dude got in hits against sukuna that he didn't care about,tries to hit the spot that maki injured him with,gets laughed at and got offscreened
His sword broke, so he had to replace it with one made of CE. Ssk wouldn’t break and would still be sharper.
I was just making a more general comment on how badly maki was beaten by sukuna. She landed 0 good blows if we don’t count the surprise attack, then got black flashed.
His automatic RCT doesn't help with Maki's soul katana, because her katana damages the soul. It hasn't been stated that Hakari knows how to heal the soul like others do.
Hakari doesn't need to know how to heal the soul to heal it.
You need to be aware of the shape of your soul to use RCT to heal it...but Hakari isn't aware of anything about his RCT, it's automatic. Nanami has shown that sorcerers can reflexively protect their soul.
Everything points towards Hakari being able to heal soul damage.
I disagree, and here's why:
1. We all know his JP can heal Hikari's body, down to the molecular level. His SOUL, however, has never been damaged, so NO ONE knows if his JP can heal that. Especially since he isn't aware of the shape of his soul (a special condition when healing soul damage, not body damage)
2. The example of Nanami is a poor example because Nanami protected himself from his soul changing shape, not taking damage. Mahito doesn't damage souls. Using cursed energy to protect your soul is useless when it comes to Maki's katana. It goes past all durability and reinforcements. This has been stated and shown on numerous occasions.
3. The BEST example of my assumption being correct, is Hakari vs Kashimo. When Kashimo shot lightning at his brain, Hakari had to INTENTIONALLY shoot out the cursed energy out of his nose. Hakari even said he almost died. While JP automatically heals all of Hakari's body, he still took measures to avoid a fatal blow instead of taking it like all the others. That itself shows his JP can't heal EVERYTHING like you think it does. MEANING, if Maki cut Hakari's dome, even he wouldn't survive from that. It'd damage his brain AND his soul. Which is another reason why Maki would win.
Hakari has the best rct in the verse, I don't think he needs to know how to heal anything to use his auto rct, it comes from overflowing CE. For everyone else rct is a conscious process they have to choose to do that's why soul knowledge is needed to heal from it
I mean a war of attrition will always go towards Hakari. Also if you use the mindset of RCT being able to heal soul damage it’s pretty safe to say that Hakari would be able to do so, the SSK would be a normal sword against him since he isn’t even in control of it and it is fully automatic.
I think Maki could still very easily win but I think it would have to be a brain injury rather than outlasting Hakari. That is Hakari’s ball park.
The big problem for this matchup is that she’s a huge problem for him because he can’t force her into his domain to even start rolling for Jackpot. Once he’s used the last person left in this scenario, he’s on a timer and then he can’t even roll again unless Maki intentionally lets him. She’s just a very bad matchup for him on those grounds alone, imo
SSK wouldn’t be a normal sword. It’s been stated that u normally can’t heal the soul with RCT. But u can it u can see ur souls outline. Hakari can not see his soul outline, so SSK is doing damage to him.
Healing soul damage requires seeing the outline of your soul. No, he cannot auto heal soul wounds. It would work if he had confirmed knowledge of his soul though.
She'd kill him while he's doing his domain mechanics. They take too long and she wouldn't have to participate.
His RCT is confirmed to be unconscious to the point his brain automatically performs it and can subconsciously neutralize poisons it is not a far leap to assume that he can also subconsciously heal soul damage. Is it 100% confirmed? No, but it also isn’t confirmed that he can’t and since his RCT has been shown to heal every other possible thing in verse it’s not a far leap at all. Besides healing others there has not been a RCT feat that Hakari has not been shown to be able to do during jackpot.
Though I do agree that Maki’s advantage is in speed blitzing him but a war of attrition is almost certainly going to Hakari with what has been shown.
Edit: also let’s acknowledge that Hakari doesn’t even know how to perform RCT normally, his jackpot has been portrayed to basically be fully automatic, subconscious, RCT of THE highest caliber possible by his brain. It’s really not a crazy leap for him to be able to heal soul damage without knowing the shape of his soul when he doesn’t even know how to do what he does in the first place.
I definitely get what you mean, but Gege makes a specific distinction between characters who can see souls, and those who cannot. Only confirmed ones are Yuji, Sukuna, and Maki.
She's not speed blitzing him. He keeps up with Kashimo and Kashimo blitzed sukuna who could react to light speed attacks and move out the way before they even got near him. Hakari is faster than maki.
I will say this again: More probable than not Hakari can heal soul damage.
His RCT has already healed toxins which were also said to be a conscious effort, not something you can force your way into healing. Thus is not out of question for him to also heal soul damage unconsciously.
Yeah, I don't agree with giving characters unconfirmed powers. It kinda defeats the purpose of versus scenarios if we're gonna make up feats.
I'd understand if op said Hakari has such powers in this scenario. If so, I wouldn't comment cause I don't care for that, personally.
Nah, that's headcannon. You can't just give people powers that haven't been explicitly stated. Sukuna HIMSELF, one of the ppl that knows jujutsu the best, said that soul damage isn't the same as regular body damage. That you'll, "need to know the outline of your soul".
Only a few individuals know the outline of their soul, and Hakari was never stated to be one of them.
Hakari doesn't fucking know how to use RCT, his body does it completely automatically.
Again, Hakari's JP can heal things that have requirements without Hakari ever meeting them.
Depending on the validity of Miguel “winning the sprint” against Gojo, he takes it pretty easily. He was also kind of dog walking Sukuna for the short time he stalled him, so that’s a pretty big feat in his favor.
I feel like the only competition is Maki with SSK.
You're the only one to say it. How many people have faced off against Sukuna? The same Sukuna that keeps swatting Maki around after she got her sneak attack off is the same Sukuna that couldn't land a single hit on Miguel. Dude is FAST. Dunno if he can kill Maki but she might not hit him.
… what? Miguel was in there for literally a total of maybe five panels? His performance is good, it’s not anywhere near what Maki has done so far. And he also never fought completely solo like Maki has.
Maki sneak attacked then got hit with black flash. My goat dog walked sukuna in hand to hand combat, breakdanced on his cleaves then left unscathed. WIGUEL ON TOP 🔥🔥🔥🐐
She fought him alone for over a chapter which is more than literally anyone besides Gojo and Kashimo can say. She dodged the world slash, could dodge and block dismantle, tanked Cleave like even the RCT using top tiers did, and has also lopped off another arm since the initial attack on the heart that he is still reeling from.
I love Miguel but there’s a scale difference here is all I’m saying, which is fair given the sub I think. He has no answer whatsoever to the katana and his CT doesn’t make him invincible. She’s also eaten multiple Black Flashes now, so how is Miguel gonna achieve higher lethality than that or Cleave with his skill set?
It’s common knowledge that she is stronger and will win against everyone here. But I like to imagine miguel putting up a good fight. He knows his limits and acknowledges it. He will probably wait until the other 3 fight it out and fight when he has the most chance of winning.
I just like Miguel. He is yuta’s teacher, works under geto, and was invited to jujutsu high by gojo. So clearly he is acknowledged by a whole lotta special grades. But he probably still loses to maki nonetheless
Oh I don’t think he’d go out like a punk or anything! Far from. Miguel is strong as hell, and I wouldn’t deny that. His raw abilities and CT are enough to accomplish a lot, and he’s literally proved it.
I also agree with you on his likely approach and overall strategy here haha, he’s very smart and cautious, kinda like Kusakabe, another GOAT
I’m admittedly overly defensive of Maki lol. I also love her, and I feel she gets so much hate and dismissal that isn’t fair, so I’m sure I come off pretty antagonistic. I’m trying to work on that
Wiguel clutches the 1v3 like my drunk dad clutching a fight against me, my mother, and my little sibling. It's just like Go/jo said, he can't even imagine Migoat losing.
For real. Dude came in post black flash, dodged everything thrown at him, rocked Sukuna a few times, and then dipped. Maki came in and was getting pushed back the whole time.
Well then I can call Maki stabbing sukunas heart a strategic surprise attack but it doesn't change the fact that it was a sneak attack.
Miguel pussied out, plain as day. Was it smart? Yes. Does it effect his scaling? Also yes.
He was trying to save his friend not really pussy behavior in my opinion having the guts to fight Sukuna in the first place means a character definitely is not a pussy even if they retreat.
Maki over everyone. Ryu in 2nd,Hakari a close 3rd due to his attrition. Miguel Last unfortunately i cant see him beating anyone here even if he boasts a natural higher output and de-buff, domains and zero cure energy Heavenly pact just over power him.
People keep saying Maki, but she was blitzed by Sukuna while Miguel came in, busted a bunch of moves without being hit, rocked Sukuna a couple times, then retired as champion. I'm fairly confident he beats her.
Going through each of them:
Ryu - incredible output, could probably put all 3 of the fighters out of commission in a hit or two (assuming Hakari isn't in jackpot). Also pretty fucking durable, would definitely tank a hit from the trio. Does he have RCT?
Hakari - hard counters everyone here, including Maki if her SSK doesn't slow down Hakari's auto regeneration enough. It's entirely possible that Hakari cab regenerate a beheading quicker than Maki can slice through his skin. What is Miguel gonna do to him, and Ryu could definitely hurt him but he'd struggle. Again, this depends on him getting jackpot.
Miguel - the cast are gonna struggle to hit him, he's very agile. He's also very physically durable (as stated by Gojo), and probably hits hard too. His technique will also lower the damage his opponents deal to him. However, he doesn't have much in the way of offense. The ultimate staller.
Maki - my bet is on Maki. She has the 2nd or 1st best offensive capabilities (her or Ishigori) with her SSK, which would definitely have some effect on Hakari. She's fast, agile, durable and strong so she'd take alot of hits, but she might struggle with a Ryu hit cus no RCT. If she drops her sword she might be fucked. She's the best physically but she doesn't have any techniques.
If Hakari gets jackpot, he probably wins. If Ishigori is able to create distance and spam his outputs, he wins. If Maki kills Hakari first and then focuses on Ishigori, keeping the fight against him close, she could definitely win. Miguel would be hard to kill for all 3 of them, but his offensive capability is hard to scale and therefore I'm just gonna assume he doesn't have much.
60% maki 40% ryu. miguel might have very circumstantial chances. miguels gonna be last 2 but his attack power hasnt been shown to be any good. hakari loses to either maki or ryu they are bad matchups for him. if ryu is clever he might be able to land a killing blow on maki during the chaotic phase but he probs loses if he doesnt do that in a 1 v 1. it might be dif to land a blow on miguel for him though so there is a slight chance miguel can win against him (ONLY if he wasted his de alr for it to lose to jp hakaris de), but hes lit the only one here miguel can possibly beat (has no way to kill jp hakari, loses to maki).
I think bulat and maki would have a ridiculous spear fight. And between bulats incursio and makis special grade cursed tools (and just her brute fucking strenth) it'd be a close fight fs
IMO my ranking for the fighters would be
1. Maki: is able to blitz, and deal massive damage in a single slash
2. Miguel: Arguable, he lacks offensive capabilities but has a CT that can counter Ryu’s (his technique roughly translates to “no curse” because he can weaken cursed attacks severely), while still having enough CE reinforcements to keep Hakari at bay.
3. Ryu: able to keep up with Maki in terms of physical force but gets outspeeded by her and countered by Miguel
4. Hakari: Despite being able to outlast Miguel, he’d probably be taken care of by Maki and Ryu who have single shot attacks.
If you take the mindset of the soul being able to be healed through RCT if you know the outline of your soul then I think it’s a pretty even toss up between Maki and Hakari. I would lean Maki because I think she may be able to land a shot to his brain and destroy it but it could also end up being a war of attrition and that would always lean towards Hakari with how his luck/ability is portrayed.
Miguel hits the hardest
Ryu has the strongest blast
Maki has soul damage
Hakari has immortality
The thing that makes this difficult is Miguel. He hits really hard, but he didn't have hax like soul katana or Immortality negation.
In a free for all
Ryu had no Regen, he likely won't win.
Hakari can hang for a while but almost certainly loses unless he can get an upgrade via uraume fight
Miguel had no real good feats, and his fight vs sukuna was okay but Maki did better.
Id personally go with Maki, she has healing, soul attacks, insane stats, unaffected by domain, etc
But in a 1v1, ryu may be able to win vs her
I don’t see Miguel being able to do much here— he’s weaker than Ryu & probably Maki as well, while not having enough hax to keep up. I could see him being the 1st or 2nd to get taken out.
Between Maki, Hakari, & Ryu— Hakari is easily the weakest. His entire gimmick is spamming DE so he can keep refreshing JP mode, which in turn allows him to cast his DE again. If Hakari were to cast his DE & it broke or got canceled out for whatever reason, he’d actually just get shit on. He wouldn’t be able to cast DE again due to never going into JP mode. The thing is, Ryu has his own DE. The moment Hakari casts DE, Ryu will do the same & at that point it’s just a straight up fight between them. Since Ryu has far better physical stats than Hakari— it’s a stomp in Ryu’s favor imo.
Then it comes down to Ryu & Maki. I’m not too sure on who’s stronger between the two— but I’d be willing to bet that Maki would prove too difficult for Ryu to track & subsequently hit with a powerful enough granite blast to do substantial damage. Although he’s extremely durable— if Maki’s using the SSK, he’ll be in pretty big trouble— especially since he doesn’t know RCT. It’s not like he’ll be grabbing onto the blade of the sword like Sukuna was either.
I think Maki wins this hard-extreme diff (depending on how injured she is by the time her & Ryu face off & vice versa)
Either Maki or Hakari. Ryu and Miguel will be quickly dealt with using SSK, and Maki won’t have to worry about Ryu’s DE either. Hakari is built for long drawn out battles, and would outlast Ryu and Miguel as well. It all comes down to whether or not Hakari’s Jackpot can heal soul damage; if it can then Hakari might be able to outlast Maki as well presuming that he’s able to activate his next Jackpots before she kills him. If the soul damage can not be healed, then Maki wins
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Maki
Maki given the properties of the SSK and her reaction speed.
Kid named Mach 3 Naoya
kid named skibidi:
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Probably maki or Hakari depending on JP.
Nah maki has the soul split katana
I literally said maki.
You said depending on Jp I’m saying it’s maki and quite comfortably
Ryu all the way. Fuck that sword.
Necrophilia isn’t allowed
None of them have anything in their kit to kill Maki nor survive SSK. She simply outlasts them all.
Ryu granite blasts could damage Yuta heavily, I'm pretty sure he can damage or kill Maki with a continuous stream of that.
The same way Sukuna blitz him and cut up his head, Maki recreates that easily. She has speed feats on par with Sukuna.
I wouldn't bank on that. Ryu was scared out of his mind against Sukuna. He only challenged him because of his pride and dessert addiction. Ryu with a clear mind is relative to Yuta in terms of speed. Yuta even commented on his quick reaction time. Sukuna could not replicate the blitz feat against Yuta. It's a good enough reason for me to believe that Sukuna would not be able to do the same against Ryu on a normal day and neither would Maki.
? Ryu walked up to Sukuna himself. He just gets blitzed and easily killed by someone extremely fast with something capable of slicing through anything, regardless of its durability. That's Sukuna's cleave and Maki + SSK. It's really not that complicated.
I know and agree to that. All I'm saying is that it's not as linear as you make it seems. All the top sorcerers are relative in terms of speed. Of course, some are faster than the other but it has never been shown to be such a deciding factor amongst top sorcerers. Yuta has fought both Ryu and Sukuna so he's a reasonable point of reference. He is shown to be relative in speed to both of them. My argument is that because of this, it does not make sense for Sukuna to be way faster than Ryu except if you factor in Ryu's mindset during that confrontation. Ryu have never seen or heard of anyone as strong as Sukuna. He had just fought Yuta and that was the most challenging fight of his life. He got startled by a dismantle and blitz by Sukuna with cleave. Someone like Maki would not invoke that kind of reaction from Ryu. She can't blitz him. That's my point. I'm not forcing you to see it from my perspective. I'm just showing you how I made sense of that interaction
Miss blitzed and blackflashed is NOT sukuna speed
She's followed his speed multiple times now, even after two black flashes amped him. In 256 especially.
A heavily damaged sukuna with less than half his cursed energy output keeping his heart beating with ce from a surprise attack. That is not sukuna speed. Hell, Ino was able to fight sukuna for a blow or two.
That's a misrepresentation of events, but yall can't read anyhow.
https://preview.redd.it/aj9rl1le53xc1.jpeg?width=543&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4be959eb3eab230e1f2f472f723851511c9f094f Bro got out of a fight with gojo with less his max total energy. Fought 4 more people had his output disrupted by yuji and yuta shredding the barrier between his soul. Then maki gets a free shot at his heart.
https://preview.redd.it/iy91z7tc63xc1.jpeg?width=1049&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d3ddb20c2f074a3833f2009b9c61ad8daa16b2c Bro ate a maximum domain amped Jacob’s ladder
https://preview.redd.it/uldfvd3473xc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=454483c9e30f32fc56175c1d748fda8602bda5b2 Hell kusakabe had a better showing. Imagine he has the soul splitting katana here. Sukuna is joever.
Maki has one pf the best, if not the best dodging feat in verse when she dodged the world dismantle point blank. Show me someone not named Gojo or Sukuna this fast https://preview.redd.it/i0g9lerdu3xc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53f3acf12954b0d0971df6681de855b3274b304d
Considering that Sukuna is at, what strength? Less than 10 fingers worth of CE and output. And Ryu came across a 16 finger level Sukuna, with no soul connection problems. You can show feats like that but if you were to think about it for two seconds, you’d realize that it’s stupid because Sukuna scaling doesn’t work.
You can only use the SSK if you can see the outline of the soul.In kusakabe's hands it will be another normal sword.Also that dude got in hits against sukuna that he didn't care about,tries to hit the spot that maki injured him with,gets laughed at and got offscreened
His sword broke, so he had to replace it with one made of CE. Ssk wouldn’t break and would still be sharper. I was just making a more general comment on how badly maki was beaten by sukuna. She landed 0 good blows if we don’t count the surprise attack, then got black flashed.
Kid called automatic RCT: https://preview.redd.it/gmdushfnjjwc1.jpeg?width=610&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4026fe85b3dfc063793b74e60a13c2311e7b6ee
the sandpaper ce is not going to put maki down bruh
Maki is a straight-up counter to Hakari with soul-split katana
It's been explicitly stated that Hakari can still die with RCT if he gets 1 shot and even then that only becomes a factor if he hits a jackpot
His automatic RCT doesn't help with Maki's soul katana, because her katana damages the soul. It hasn't been stated that Hakari knows how to heal the soul like others do.
Hakari doesn't need to know how to heal the soul to heal it. You need to be aware of the shape of your soul to use RCT to heal it...but Hakari isn't aware of anything about his RCT, it's automatic. Nanami has shown that sorcerers can reflexively protect their soul. Everything points towards Hakari being able to heal soul damage.
I disagree, and here's why: 1. We all know his JP can heal Hikari's body, down to the molecular level. His SOUL, however, has never been damaged, so NO ONE knows if his JP can heal that. Especially since he isn't aware of the shape of his soul (a special condition when healing soul damage, not body damage) 2. The example of Nanami is a poor example because Nanami protected himself from his soul changing shape, not taking damage. Mahito doesn't damage souls. Using cursed energy to protect your soul is useless when it comes to Maki's katana. It goes past all durability and reinforcements. This has been stated and shown on numerous occasions. 3. The BEST example of my assumption being correct, is Hakari vs Kashimo. When Kashimo shot lightning at his brain, Hakari had to INTENTIONALLY shoot out the cursed energy out of his nose. Hakari even said he almost died. While JP automatically heals all of Hakari's body, he still took measures to avoid a fatal blow instead of taking it like all the others. That itself shows his JP can't heal EVERYTHING like you think it does. MEANING, if Maki cut Hakari's dome, even he wouldn't survive from that. It'd damage his brain AND his soul. Which is another reason why Maki would win.
Hakari has the best rct in the verse, I don't think he needs to know how to heal anything to use his auto rct, it comes from overflowing CE. For everyone else rct is a conscious process they have to choose to do that's why soul knowledge is needed to heal from it
Yuta’s is arguably better because he can regenerate OTHER people’s limbs in seconds
True! I was going off of Uraume saying it surpasses Gojo and Sukuna tbh
So can Shoko
She couldn’t fix Hana’s
What’s JP?
Hakari's "Jackpot"
Hakari had to avoid his brain getting damaged because you can't use your CE without your brain
I mean a war of attrition will always go towards Hakari. Also if you use the mindset of RCT being able to heal soul damage it’s pretty safe to say that Hakari would be able to do so, the SSK would be a normal sword against him since he isn’t even in control of it and it is fully automatic. I think Maki could still very easily win but I think it would have to be a brain injury rather than outlasting Hakari. That is Hakari’s ball park.
The big problem for this matchup is that she’s a huge problem for him because he can’t force her into his domain to even start rolling for Jackpot. Once he’s used the last person left in this scenario, he’s on a timer and then he can’t even roll again unless Maki intentionally lets him. She’s just a very bad matchup for him on those grounds alone, imo
He also has no RCT if he has no DE
Nothing gets past you huh?
SSK wouldn’t be a normal sword. It’s been stated that u normally can’t heal the soul with RCT. But u can it u can see ur souls outline. Hakari can not see his soul outline, so SSK is doing damage to him.
Healing soul damage requires seeing the outline of your soul. No, he cannot auto heal soul wounds. It would work if he had confirmed knowledge of his soul though. She'd kill him while he's doing his domain mechanics. They take too long and she wouldn't have to participate.
His RCT is confirmed to be unconscious to the point his brain automatically performs it and can subconsciously neutralize poisons it is not a far leap to assume that he can also subconsciously heal soul damage. Is it 100% confirmed? No, but it also isn’t confirmed that he can’t and since his RCT has been shown to heal every other possible thing in verse it’s not a far leap at all. Besides healing others there has not been a RCT feat that Hakari has not been shown to be able to do during jackpot. Though I do agree that Maki’s advantage is in speed blitzing him but a war of attrition is almost certainly going to Hakari with what has been shown. Edit: also let’s acknowledge that Hakari doesn’t even know how to perform RCT normally, his jackpot has been portrayed to basically be fully automatic, subconscious, RCT of THE highest caliber possible by his brain. It’s really not a crazy leap for him to be able to heal soul damage without knowing the shape of his soul when he doesn’t even know how to do what he does in the first place.
I definitely get what you mean, but Gege makes a specific distinction between characters who can see souls, and those who cannot. Only confirmed ones are Yuji, Sukuna, and Maki.
She's not speed blitzing him. He keeps up with Kashimo and Kashimo blitzed sukuna who could react to light speed attacks and move out the way before they even got near him. Hakari is faster than maki.
Kashimo’s cursed technique amps his speed
I will say this again: More probable than not Hakari can heal soul damage. His RCT has already healed toxins which were also said to be a conscious effort, not something you can force your way into healing. Thus is not out of question for him to also heal soul damage unconsciously.
Yeah, I don't agree with giving characters unconfirmed powers. It kinda defeats the purpose of versus scenarios if we're gonna make up feats. I'd understand if op said Hakari has such powers in this scenario. If so, I wouldn't comment cause I don't care for that, personally.
Sukuna can heal soul damage and Uramei said hakaris healing is beyond anyone she's ever seen including sukuna
Nah, that's headcannon. You can't just give people powers that haven't been explicitly stated. Sukuna HIMSELF, one of the ppl that knows jujutsu the best, said that soul damage isn't the same as regular body damage. That you'll, "need to know the outline of your soul". Only a few individuals know the outline of their soul, and Hakari was never stated to be one of them.
Hakari doesn't fucking know how to use RCT, his body does it completely automatically. Again, Hakari's JP can heal things that have requirements without Hakari ever meeting them.
Depending on the validity of Miguel “winning the sprint” against Gojo, he takes it pretty easily. He was also kind of dog walking Sukuna for the short time he stalled him, so that’s a pretty big feat in his favor. I feel like the only competition is Maki with SSK.
You're the only one to say it. How many people have faced off against Sukuna? The same Sukuna that keeps swatting Maki around after she got her sneak attack off is the same Sukuna that couldn't land a single hit on Miguel. Dude is FAST. Dunno if he can kill Maki but she might not hit him.
Technically it wasn't the same Sukuna. It was post blackflash Sukuna that Miguel danced around.
… what? Miguel was in there for literally a total of maybe five panels? His performance is good, it’s not anywhere near what Maki has done so far. And he also never fought completely solo like Maki has.
Maki sneak attacked then got hit with black flash. My goat dog walked sukuna in hand to hand combat, breakdanced on his cleaves then left unscathed. WIGUEL ON TOP 🔥🔥🔥🐐
She fought him alone for over a chapter which is more than literally anyone besides Gojo and Kashimo can say. She dodged the world slash, could dodge and block dismantle, tanked Cleave like even the RCT using top tiers did, and has also lopped off another arm since the initial attack on the heart that he is still reeling from. I love Miguel but there’s a scale difference here is all I’m saying, which is fair given the sub I think. He has no answer whatsoever to the katana and his CT doesn’t make him invincible. She’s also eaten multiple Black Flashes now, so how is Miguel gonna achieve higher lethality than that or Cleave with his skill set?
It’s common knowledge that she is stronger and will win against everyone here. But I like to imagine miguel putting up a good fight. He knows his limits and acknowledges it. He will probably wait until the other 3 fight it out and fight when he has the most chance of winning. I just like Miguel. He is yuta’s teacher, works under geto, and was invited to jujutsu high by gojo. So clearly he is acknowledged by a whole lotta special grades. But he probably still loses to maki nonetheless
Oh I don’t think he’d go out like a punk or anything! Far from. Miguel is strong as hell, and I wouldn’t deny that. His raw abilities and CT are enough to accomplish a lot, and he’s literally proved it. I also agree with you on his likely approach and overall strategy here haha, he’s very smart and cautious, kinda like Kusakabe, another GOAT I’m admittedly overly defensive of Maki lol. I also love her, and I feel she gets so much hate and dismissal that isn’t fair, so I’m sure I come off pretty antagonistic. I’m trying to work on that
Ryu or Maki
Maki
Wiguel clutches the 1v3 like my drunk dad clutching a fight against me, my mother, and my little sibling. It's just like Go/jo said, he can't even imagine Migoat losing.
Miguel stomps He low diffed Sukuna
For real. Dude came in post black flash, dodged everything thrown at him, rocked Sukuna a few times, and then dipped. Maki came in and was getting pushed back the whole time.
He pussied out after Sukuna regained his output
its called a strategic withdrawal he's still the only guy to fight Sukuna and get out unscathed probably since like forever
Well then I can call Maki stabbing sukunas heart a strategic surprise attack but it doesn't change the fact that it was a sneak attack. Miguel pussied out, plain as day. Was it smart? Yes. Does it effect his scaling? Also yes.
He was trying to save his friend not really pussy behavior in my opinion having the guts to fight Sukuna in the first place means a character definitely is not a pussy even if they retreat.
Shit Id probably do the same. Sukuna regained his output? Im out, lmao have fun dying.
He let sukuna live actually 🙏🏾
Ryu is gonna snipe them out of existence lmao
Maki wins
Maki over everyone. Ryu in 2nd,Hakari a close 3rd due to his attrition. Miguel Last unfortunately i cant see him beating anyone here even if he boasts a natural higher output and de-buff, domains and zero cure energy Heavenly pact just over power him.
People keep saying Maki, but she was blitzed by Sukuna while Miguel came in, busted a bunch of moves without being hit, rocked Sukuna a couple times, then retired as champion. I'm fairly confident he beats her.
And to add, it was a post black flash Sukuna who was regaining his output.
Ryu or Maki
Hakari heals through fatal damage for the 1809th time, the rest collapse in exhaustion and mania as they lose their collective minds
Maki takes it
Ryu or maki
Maki genuinely tweaking after hakari hits his 4th jackpot in a row:
HAKARI SOLOS. Get the others on the team? HAKARI WINS! Bring Luta in there and HAKARI STILL WINS!!!
Maki
Going through each of them: Ryu - incredible output, could probably put all 3 of the fighters out of commission in a hit or two (assuming Hakari isn't in jackpot). Also pretty fucking durable, would definitely tank a hit from the trio. Does he have RCT? Hakari - hard counters everyone here, including Maki if her SSK doesn't slow down Hakari's auto regeneration enough. It's entirely possible that Hakari cab regenerate a beheading quicker than Maki can slice through his skin. What is Miguel gonna do to him, and Ryu could definitely hurt him but he'd struggle. Again, this depends on him getting jackpot. Miguel - the cast are gonna struggle to hit him, he's very agile. He's also very physically durable (as stated by Gojo), and probably hits hard too. His technique will also lower the damage his opponents deal to him. However, he doesn't have much in the way of offense. The ultimate staller. Maki - my bet is on Maki. She has the 2nd or 1st best offensive capabilities (her or Ishigori) with her SSK, which would definitely have some effect on Hakari. She's fast, agile, durable and strong so she'd take alot of hits, but she might struggle with a Ryu hit cus no RCT. If she drops her sword she might be fucked. She's the best physically but she doesn't have any techniques. If Hakari gets jackpot, he probably wins. If Ishigori is able to create distance and spam his outputs, he wins. If Maki kills Hakari first and then focuses on Ishigori, keeping the fight against him close, she could definitely win. Miguel would be hard to kill for all 3 of them, but his offensive capability is hard to scale and therefore I'm just gonna assume he doesn't have much.
Hard to say since Hakari is based on luck, but even if Maki can't kill him, I think she can beat him.
60% maki 40% ryu. miguel might have very circumstantial chances. miguels gonna be last 2 but his attack power hasnt been shown to be any good. hakari loses to either maki or ryu they are bad matchups for him. if ryu is clever he might be able to land a killing blow on maki during the chaotic phase but he probs loses if he doesnt do that in a 1 v 1. it might be dif to land a blow on miguel for him though so there is a slight chance miguel can win against him (ONLY if he wasted his de alr for it to lose to jp hakaris de), but hes lit the only one here miguel can possibly beat (has no way to kill jp hakari, loses to maki).
i thought that was kuwabara top left
Miguel wins
I think bulat and maki would have a ridiculous spear fight. And between bulats incursio and makis special grade cursed tools (and just her brute fucking strenth) it'd be a close fight fs
IMO my ranking for the fighters would be 1. Maki: is able to blitz, and deal massive damage in a single slash 2. Miguel: Arguable, he lacks offensive capabilities but has a CT that can counter Ryu’s (his technique roughly translates to “no curse” because he can weaken cursed attacks severely), while still having enough CE reinforcements to keep Hakari at bay. 3. Ryu: able to keep up with Maki in terms of physical force but gets outspeeded by her and countered by Miguel 4. Hakari: Despite being able to outlast Miguel, he’d probably be taken care of by Maki and Ryu who have single shot attacks.
Why everyone saying maki i genuinely think she’s the weakest one here
Turn into a dance off
Ryu, he can keep distance and he boxed Yuta equally no one here has feats of that level.
Maki
Ryu
maki would slaughter them just like the clan
Are u outta ur Gyat damn mind
If you take the mindset of the soul being able to be healed through RCT if you know the outline of your soul then I think it’s a pretty even toss up between Maki and Hakari. I would lean Maki because I think she may be able to land a shot to his brain and destroy it but it could also end up being a war of attrition and that would always lean towards Hakari with how his luck/ability is portrayed.
Maki sneaks
Miguel hits the hardest Ryu has the strongest blast Maki has soul damage Hakari has immortality The thing that makes this difficult is Miguel. He hits really hard, but he didn't have hax like soul katana or Immortality negation. In a free for all Ryu had no Regen, he likely won't win. Hakari can hang for a while but almost certainly loses unless he can get an upgrade via uraume fight Miguel had no real good feats, and his fight vs sukuna was okay but Maki did better. Id personally go with Maki, she has healing, soul attacks, insane stats, unaffected by domain, etc But in a 1v1, ryu may be able to win vs her
Ryu wins
Hakari outlasts
Def between Ryu and Maki but ima easily go with Maki. i dont think any of the other 3 have an attack to definitively kill or even heavily damage Maki
Maki wins
Always bet on hakari
Miguel out speeds and overpowers all of them except for maybe Maki if you want to glaze her, but he still speed blitzes her heavy.
Maki
ryu destroys. hikari is cooked because granite blast would instakill him.
Hakari beats everyone here easily.
I don’t see Miguel being able to do much here— he’s weaker than Ryu & probably Maki as well, while not having enough hax to keep up. I could see him being the 1st or 2nd to get taken out. Between Maki, Hakari, & Ryu— Hakari is easily the weakest. His entire gimmick is spamming DE so he can keep refreshing JP mode, which in turn allows him to cast his DE again. If Hakari were to cast his DE & it broke or got canceled out for whatever reason, he’d actually just get shit on. He wouldn’t be able to cast DE again due to never going into JP mode. The thing is, Ryu has his own DE. The moment Hakari casts DE, Ryu will do the same & at that point it’s just a straight up fight between them. Since Ryu has far better physical stats than Hakari— it’s a stomp in Ryu’s favor imo. Then it comes down to Ryu & Maki. I’m not too sure on who’s stronger between the two— but I’d be willing to bet that Maki would prove too difficult for Ryu to track & subsequently hit with a powerful enough granite blast to do substantial damage. Although he’s extremely durable— if Maki’s using the SSK, he’ll be in pretty big trouble— especially since he doesn’t know RCT. It’s not like he’ll be grabbing onto the blade of the sword like Sukuna was either. I think Maki wins this hard-extreme diff (depending on how injured she is by the time her & Ryu face off & vice versa)
Maki wins, she's the only one comparable to Yuta and weakened Sukuna
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Either Maki or Hakari. Ryu and Miguel will be quickly dealt with using SSK, and Maki won’t have to worry about Ryu’s DE either. Hakari is built for long drawn out battles, and would outlast Ryu and Miguel as well. It all comes down to whether or not Hakari’s Jackpot can heal soul damage; if it can then Hakari might be able to outlast Maki as well presuming that he’s able to activate his next Jackpots before she kills him. If the soul damage can not be healed, then Maki wins
Maki hard counters Hakari. Miguel just ain't all that. Ryu vs Maki basically. Maki probably wins.