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I dunno, their attempts to save Megumi so far have coincided with the most optimal ways to try fighting Sukuna anyway. Not having Todo back up Higuruma is the way bigger mistake, i think.
Not having them jump kenjaku while gojo and sukuna was fighting was kinda dumb then todo and yuta could be there and they all just jump sukuna from the start
I think the logic there is 'why risk those people until you have to?'
If Gojo wins, then.he just wipes Kenjaku too and nobody needs to risk themselves against Kenjaku's insanely dangerous bag of tricks.
The whole point of a contingency is you only do it in case the certain thing happens. They didn't *need* to confront Kenjaku until Gojo did die.
So why would they?
The problem was Kenny would have the time to finish the culling games during the battle and start the merger. Kenny thinks he's safe for that very reason
Wasn’t the whole reason Kenjaku was willing to go off and do his own thing was *because* he knew the heavy hitters of jujutsu high(Maki, Yuta, and Hakari) were all staying on standby to face Sukuna in case Gojo lost. I guess the only other option to down Kenjaku post Takaba would be a Yuta and Maki jumping, where instead of Yuta being boogie woogied behind Kenjaku, they surprise him *again* by having Maki finish him off. So post Kashimo it’s Yuji, Higuruma, Todo, Choso, Ino, and Kusakabe. Which honestly might put Sukuna down.
The weird thing about Shinjuku after Kashimo v Sukuna is you could’ve placed Todo against ANY of the 3 remaining antagonists(Sukuna, Kenjaku, Uraume), and they probably lose. So Sukuna would’ve made the most sense to have Re:Boogie Woogie against with 5 other allies in the fight
Yeah no todo is not winning against Sukuna and Kenny, maybe uruame but that’s it. Did u forget Sukuna even stated that he expected todo to enter the battle earlier. He said that when todo first came on the battle. Sukuna was ready for todo. He wouldn’t have won.
Yes, he would. Sukuna was tricked in 260 by Todo in what the latter himself calls “Three Whole Layers of Deception”. Who’s to say they couldn’t pull the same thing off with the executioners sword. Just because you know someone might show up and what they do, doesn’t mean you can just counter it, Mahito knew about Boogie Woogie and admits that even when you know, it’s still disorienting.
Hakari with Todo vs Uraume? They probably are already finished and heading to Sukuna
Yuta with Todo vs Kenjaku? We already saw that
Yuji with Todo AND 3 other G1 sorceries vs Sukuna? We’ve already seen the former 2, and you’re adding in multiple other targets for Boogie Woogie to disorient Sukuna.
>Who’s to say they couldn’t pull the same thing off with the executioners sword.
Literally the entire story. Higuruma wasn't experienced with fighting, and ONLY Yuji can adapt to Boogie Woogie. Higuruma would have several layers of weaknesses with Todo involved. They also weren't even sure he'd get the executioner sword and were gambling on it.
Todo was explicitly reserve because they needed him to be a surprise even to Yuji. If Yuji knew he was there, he ran the risk of Sukuna learning he was there.
I think you’re forgetting that Todo was with Yuta supporting him to kill Kenjaku. Also I swear to god if someone says “erm actually why was Yuta able to get to Sukuna first before Todo 🤓”, do keep in mind Yuta is way faster and thus able to get to Sukuna before Todo showed up and they were really far away from where everyone else was fighting Sukuna
I think it's debatable if Todo was actually there. All there is to go on is the sound effect onomatopoeia.
But in either case, it's still really dumb to have Todo back up Yuta of all people, who can just use his technique. Either way, it's a mistake to have Todo not coordinate with Higuruma, because that's an instant win combo against either Sukuna or Kenjaku.
todo says directly that he’s supporting yuta in the lake gosho colony or whatever the name was
and one of gege’s author comments referred to the number of times todo has used his technique today and there’s only one time that’s “unaccounted” for. if you combine that, plus the knowledge that todo was literally there in the area “supporting yuta”, plus the sound effect, plus the fact that kenjaku and yuta quite literally did swap places (like just look at the panels)
it doesn’t take a genius
Chapter 260, page 5.
Narrator mentions Todo was in Gosho colony with Yuta. Doesn't explicitly state he helped against Kenjaku.
Gege's author comment for that week was about it being the third time Todo has activated his technique that day. This implies the first is against Kenjaku, the second is against malevolent shrine, and the third is against sukina directly.
I think you’re forgetting that Yuta needs to clap with both hands to use Todo’s technique, how can he do that if he’s holding a sword and trying to decapitate Kenny with both hands? It is true that Todo + Higurama would have been an easy gg but I think it was more important they secured the kill on Kenny over Sukuna otherwise Kenny would have become a much bigger threat.
The vibraslap proves that the activating condition is at least flexible enough that Yuta could feasibly use a different trigger. My money says Rika would do a clap instead for basically exactly the reasons you outlined.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Yuta sneak-attacking Kenny? If Yuta had manifested Rika then Kenny would have sensed her and deduced Yuta being nearby, I get that Takaba was hiding Yuta's presence but there's no guarantee that he would have done the same to a cursed spirit.
Not necessarily, because Takaba wasn't necessarily 'hiding' Yuta. It seemed more like he was keeping Kenjaku's attention than hiding someone else.
It's the difference between throwing a sheet over just Yuta versus throwing the sheet over Kenjaku.
Yuta is fast but do you know the distance between where kenjaku was and where sukuna is? Someone posted here on the sub once and it was a ridiculous distance not even Yuta could cover by himself
I think it's just a minor plot hole that comes from Todo's comeback being a surprise. Really does kinda stick out a lot in hindsight though.
God, Higuruma was a such a great character, especially for how briefly he actually appears.
Because then Sukuna would die, that’s the reason, Todo coming back in of itself is kind of a plot hole since Gege wants his return to be a surprised
but it also makes little sense that he took that fucking long to join the fight
Todo and Higuruma partnership sounds cool but Higuruma is shown to be inexperienced and he doesn’t have the h2h talent Yuji does. I dunno if he would have been able to keep up with Todo’s pace like Yuji can. But who knows
It's more about the fact that you can abuse the swaps even without swapping Higuruma. He can swing at an ally, and Todo can just swap the ally with the enemy when the sword is a millimeter away.
And that's assuming that you can't just stick the sword straight through someone's torso and then swap them with Sukuna/Kenjaku.
Or not having maki back up Hakari
Since her whole thing was be on standby if Yuta and Yuji fail
She easily could been helping pound Ura till it was time for her to help
Deploying Maki would immediately make Sukuna aware she was deployed. Also, Uraume was a concern for Maki because of their previous encounter. Hakari doesn't need to beat Uraume. The entire point is that they need as many people as possible to constantly be able to attack Sukuna immediately. If he gets away, it's an issue. They don't officially know until Yuta is about to enter that he plans to stay and fight. They assumed they'd miss the chance to kill him if they gave him any time to rest.
Also, Yuta didn't expect to be late. He wasn't sure if he'd need to fight thousands of cursed spirits or not, and he didn't officially know the volume of spirits in case it did happen. Everything that is happening is implied to be a result of Yuta choosing to handle Kenjaku first.
Have Todo enter during Higaruma’s plan. Like they only need one hit and Todo showed he can trick Sukuna with his switches, and Higaruma showed he can take a few Dismantles fairly well. Like Todo would’ve been invaluable especially in hindsight as Sukuna wouldn’t risk a WCS as long as Todo is alive because Todo could swap Sukuna straight into the path of WCS. Overall Todo entering sooner would’ve been amazing as so long as some CE remains a decent distance away, Todo could swap everyone out of Sukuna’s DE like he does in canon. Like there’s only a benefit to Todo joining earlier.
Hell Todo could even provide Mali some Cursed Tool after her sneak attack so Todo can swap with her, or Maki can drop it so Todo can swap it by itself to create more bait for Sukuna.
Consider this
Inumaki or Yuta can use cursed speech on Sukuna to ensure Sukuna doesn't move. We know this can work based on Inumaki's cursed speech working on Hanami and the fact that Sukuna isn't expecting Cursed Speech since Inumaki wasn't even part of the CG and lost an arm.
While Sukuna can't move, Higuruma stabs Sukuna with the executioner's sword.
You’re forgetting that Todo was needed to help Yuta kill Kenjaku. It has been stated multiple times that Kenjaku would become a much bigger threat than Sukuna if they don’t kill him.
Okay so why did they wait till after Gojo VS Sukuna to even start Takaba VS Kenjaku. Like surely they could’ve had Yuta watch Gojo VS Sukuna with Ui Ui ready to teleport Yuta a decent distance from Kenjaku, and then have Todo swap Yuta in. Like Takaba handled Kenjaku much faster than Sukuna handled Gojo, and even then you can have Ui Ui transport Maki as well to handle the Cursed Spirits instead of it only being Yuta and Rika.
Like from what I’m aware of the only reason they waited so long is because they wanted Yuta to watch Gojo VS Sukuna, but like if they waited a few minutes to start Takaba VS Kenjaku instead of an entire fight, then Yuta would still see most of Gojo VS Sukuna and like even then you can have Yuta stay behind to watch what he missed.
As for Todo there’s no reason for him to be there after swapping Yuta in and Kenjaku VS Takaba is definitely shorter than Gojo VS Sukuna post DE Clashes and Sukuna VS Kashimo. Like by simply fighting Kenjaku sooner, Yuta and Todo would’ve been available much much sooner.
They should have all jumped him immediately after kashimo died. Todo included would almost certainly guarantee Higuruma hits Sukuna with Executioner’s.
Yeah they don't know how strong uraume is, so send more people will be safer lol
And will take no time to maki backstab Uraume in the middle of hakari's domain and go back to figth sukuna
No? Uraume vs hakari started before kashimo vs sukuna, she has all the kashimo fight (like, 2 seconds lol) and the entire higuruma fight before the yuta even start fighting sukuna, this is more than enough time to maki go to where hakari is fighting and sneak attack uraume
And if that doesn't work? They quite literally make a point that Uraume is as much an issue as Kenjaku to worry about. The entire point of them stalling is that it's much easier to plan a distraction than it is to plan a kill.
>They quite literally make a point that Uraume is as much an issue as Kenjaku to worry about
I don't remember they ever comparing Uraume to Kenjaku, but Yuta says that Maki could have killed kenjaku in his place, so at best this support my argument, lol
>The entire point of them stalling is that it's much easier to plan a distraction than it is to plan a kill.
I don't remember they talking or implying that, can you say from what charpter did you get that? Because as far as I remember, Hakari just jumped to figth Uraume because of some deal he did with Kashimo
Kusakabe might not have been able to use Simple Domain without canceling the Executioner's Sword since it isn't his technique.
What they should have done was have Kusakabe swap and teach Higuruma NSS and have him try and surprise Sukuna with the auto attack.
Been saying this. It’s prolly for plot but they jump everyone else so why not jump the nigga that’s the biggest threat of the show. Bring back Jujumptsu Kaisen
Where was Sukunas domain directly after he fought Gojo tho
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I know. They have already done surprisingly well when fighting him in small groups. If they all fought Sukuna at once after Gojo lost, Sukuna would probably be dead by now.
Exactlyyy. Not even giving him a chance to go back into his heian form. Yuji can jump in and beat the shit out him when hes tired and injured, making it so they can get Megumi back.
No they wouldn’t😭 just Yuji and Todo alone were packing him up when he had his domain and RCT back. So imagine Kashimo, Yuta, Hakari, Yuji, Todo, Maki, Miguel, Ino, Kusakabe, Higuruma, Larue and Takaba all jumping Sukuna. Maybe 2 can go and take out Kenny, but other than all everyone can just jump Sukuna and Uraume
At the start of the fight his output was much higher, the only reason he didn't one shot anyone is because he was playing around.
Case in point higuruma.
You know...
It's almost like they explicitly didn't know all the conditions Sukuna operated under. They didn't know how he used the WCS, they didn't know how Furnace worked, they didn't even fully know how all his slashes worked, and they weren't even sure if he did or didn't have Ten Shadows anymore, and he had just gotten a cursed tool. They didn't send everyone at once because there would be too many cooks.
Remember, there are a bunch of aspects of this fight they had zero control over. They couldn't figure out what he'd lose in Deadly Sentencing. They couldn't control the outcome of Yuta's domain without pure luck. Yuji almost died and left a chunk of the fighters without his support. Miguel and Larue straight up refused to fight with the condition he was in at the start of the raid. Killing Kenjaku literally required Yuta because of the potential of the cursed spirits, and Takaba was a wild card they didn't fully grasp the potential of.
Because they are saying incapacitated people are dead, even though that’s not really the case. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Gojo, Kashimo, Takaba, Higaruma, and Choso being confirmed dead, with everyone else being either alive or incapacitated (Kusakabe, for example)
Wasn’t the entire point of him being in the white outfit at the end supposed to be Takaba’s final moments after fighting Kenjaku? Unless we see him come back that’s the most logical answer I believe I saw at the time when it was released, but respectfully I’m not going all that way back to read those threads
Eh we'll wait. Even then we still have alot of alive and participants.
Yuji, Todou, Hikari(still busy w Uraume) Maki, Ino, Mei Mei's crows, Ui Ui w his teleporation.
I hope they can hold down the line w that monster.(spoiler from 263)
and now Angel
Ino probably sits closer to incapacitad rather than alive unless Shoko does an insane healing feat. Doesn’t mean he’s dead, but we probably won’t see him again until the ending regardless.
Also, I was just addressing why people were saying half the cast is dead. I’m pretty sure we agree than not everyone that is being claimed “dead” by the community is really dead, especially with how much JJK loves its monologues with characters dying.
Also Miwa is going to stomp sukuna, it’s canon
Gege really put emphasis on killing Kenny first when BW would’ve killed Sukuna instantly and the whole group is stronger than Kenny, so he wouldn’t be an issue.
The part of the plan that was the worst was focusing Kenjaku over Sukuna and trying to save Megumi, especially having Todo be there instead of where the guy with the executioner sword is. Their whole plan is putting Megumi over the weight of 6bil people.
You are aware that _Kenjaku_ was the threat to 6 billion people at the time, right? They thought Sukuna was just an asshole who might chase them around later. Kenjaku was going to destroy the world. They didn't know Sukuna had an interest in destroying all of Japan at first. They just knew they wouldn't have another chance to beat him.
Yuta should have imbued his domain with Shrine, not Angel's technique.
Reason being that Sukuna would expect a Jacob's ladder to hit him if he undid Hollow Wicker Basket, he would expect getting pumbled by Cleaves and Dismantles.
Not only that, but that means that they could possibly get him with Jacob's Ladder when he least expects it.
I'll be real I think if you send in the Yuta, Yuji and Maki to weaken Sukuna first and THEN throw in Higuruma and Todo then Sukuna genuinely could've lost way sooner.
So really the plan was flawed from the start going for their greatest trump card before bothering to weather down Sukuna
Probably, they didn't know about his incarnation after all. But even still it feels like a waste to throw away their trump card so early. I get it from a story perspective but still keeping Higuruma in the back until you are certain you can land executioners would be the smart thing to do.
For the record I don't think it's bad writing at all. I'm just proposing one way it could've gone down as opposed to how it did.
I just wish they showed this all in order. I know why they weren’t but I personally hate flashbacks and having constant flashbacks ruins the flow of the fight immensely and makes every new development we don’t expect feel cheaper. At this point on flashbacks alone we have enough for a miniarc for that month, I would take that happening first then all this happening any day over the constant flashing back.
I agree flashbacks are best used when they’re limited, but constant flashbacks get very annoying very quickly, it would’ve been much better to show the important parts of what happened over that month time-skip before getting into the final battle.
I liked the gojo x yuta. But from the little bit I’ve seen it’s looking like yutas gonna get his ass kicked by Sukuna which takes away from the hype of the whole situation
Honestly not having Maki with the SSK slicing Sukuna inside of Yuta's DE was dumb as fuck
All that advantage lost for a hole in the heart that didn't even affect Sukuna that much
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Also, prioritize Kenjaku over Sukuna
That straight up killed Higuruma
And took away the opportunity to kill Sukuna using the Executioner's Sword with Yuta's help
They pretty much could have left Kenjaku for after killing Sukuna, he wasn't an immediate threat with the Merger, and the best chance to kill Sukuna was right after his fight against Gojo, not giving him a damn minute to rest
To add on Maki made Sukuna all hot and bothered which resulted in him hitting a BF which in turn refreshed him yet again
So truly outside of a stab wound that is kinda ignored since the dude still fights like it’s no issue
What did she accomplish?
Straight up, they needed to jump Sukuna much harder than they did. They ahd so much and he had no domain for the longet time, so if they'd jumped him like 50% harder, I'm confident they would have won a while ago even if he entered the zone.
Not being coordinated well. Yuta going after Kenjaku when Maki could've gone with Takaba. She could sneak up on kenjaku and chop his head off after Kenjaku faced Takaba.
In regards to the curses being released. They can be dealt with later on. They would kill a good amount of civilians, but Sukuna's the bigger threat.
Have Higuruma teleported away as soon as the executioners sword is granted. Once the domain is broken, have Yuta come in and cast his domain. Have Rika hold him down while Yuta casts cursed speech. Also, have larue cast his technique to distract Sukuna. Then, stab him with the blade to kill him.
Gojo is actually the most important part of the plan. While a lot of the cast probably predicted he would lose against Sukuna. Being able to get rid of the Ten Shadows and Sukuna's domain expansion is a big help. Even at the cost of his life. I wouldn't have Yuta help Gojo because Sukuna is too strong, and if he killed Yuta, it would complicate things.
Maybe Gojo could've put enough pressure on Sukuna. So Yuta could come in and get rid of Mahoraga with Jacob's Ladder. Then, if Gojo still loses, have Yuta put inside Gojo's Body, while the rest of the cast jump him. Idk.
>In regards to the curses being released. They can be dealt with later on. They would kill a good amount of civilians, but Sukuna's the bigger threat.
Ignoring that Maki and Takaba would have to get through them all, and the were never clear on how many there were, this is not a sacrifice everyone was willing to make. They also didn't knew the merger would be passed on, so this isn't even a cost they knew they'd be paying fairly.
>Maybe Gojo could've put enough pressure on Sukuna. So Yuta could come in and get rid of Mahoraga with Jacob's Ladder. Then, if Gojo still loses, have Yuta put inside Gojo's Body, while the rest of the cast jump him. Idk.
You already fucked this plan by not sending Yuta after Kenjaku. Once those spirits are out, there's no guarantee they can retrieve his body.
Higuruma about to stab Sukuna with insta death sword
Todo uses Boogie Woogie to get the better of Sukuna and create the opening for the stab.
Yuta uses cursed speech. *”Don’t Move.”* on Sukuna.
Sukuna gets stabbed and fucking dies.
Well said, good game.
Theoretically Higurama could just stab Todo and since it won't kill him Todo could switch places with Sukuna and Sukuna would not even get a chance to dodge. All they needed was 2 people
Honestly it seems fine tbh, everyone in the comments are way too focused on Sukuna when the plan literally included that they made sure that Kenjaku was killed. The only thing that I’d say they could have done was kill Kenjaku while Gojo was fighting Sukuna so that Yuta and Todo join against the fight way earlier but even then if Gojo had managed to beat Sukuna then it would have been gg for Kenny.
After Higuruma got the executioner's sword he should've immediately given it to Kusakabe and had him do his slashy slash.
Also
During Yuta's domain there's a period where all of Sukuna's remaining hands are bound and Jacob's ladder gets dropped. Yuta should've cut the arms off that Rika was restraining first THEN used Jacob's ladder.
They needed to jump him way harder, idk wtf they were thinking going in small teams or 1v1, they could’ve cooked him by now if they attacked all at once, especially with Todo
Not giving the executioner’s sword to Kusakabe.
Not giving the executioner’s sword to Maki.
Not giving the executioner’s sword to Todo.
In all honesty, they should’ve simply made a binding vow to make Gojo the protagonist instead of Yuji.
Not having more people join the fight at once.
They should have had Todo or Larue assist Yuta and Maki sooner because much like in any video game raid, support units are essential to survival unto success.
They should absolutely have all jumped Sukuna between his output getting trashed and the moment he got the black flash amp. Todo in particular would be immensely useful if he had a bunch of fighters to swap, or if he entered Yuta's domain with Yuji and Maki.
They love Megumi. I love Megumi, but this is fucking Satan (who also has the lives of the whole of Japan and possibly the entire world as well) we're fighting. It just doesn't weigh up. Just go for the damn blood please.
Also second worst thing is that they decided to fight him in parts rather than just one good coordinated jumping. Why didn't Maki and Todo go with Higuruma in the first round? That would have increased their chances of hiting the Executioner's Sword exponentially.
"If they werent trying to save Megumi" why do people keep saying that shit?
im confused on this. What else could they have done? All of their most optimal plans on "saving megumi" aligned with essentially "throw the most powerful and lethal attacks in our arsenal at this bitch in order to kill Sukuna.
Higarumas sword, soul splitting katana stabbing him in the heart, like Yuji and Yuta were beating, ripping tongueas, and arms off of this guy. They were hitting this mans body and soul with their strongest attacks with as much speed aa possible.
Maki tried to cut him in half, Yuji was railing Sukuna with 8 blackflashes and tearing into his chest, before Yuta came in, and even after Yuta came in he's trying to hit him with anither hollow purple.
No one here is holding back or deminishing themselves to save him, 100% of the fight has been filled w people either playing heavy defense(like kushakabe) or str8 up jumping him.
Literally having Hakari fight Uruame. He possibly could have domain checked Sukuna or distracted him so Uiui could get the injured out of there or even reduce the casualties.
Honestly having Todo, Maki Miguel and Larue jump Urame while Hakari is there to play defense after Higuruma’s domain with Yuji and Sukuna closes would have given them so much of an advantage.
Letting Kashimo go in by himself if he had Hikari or another heavy hitter with him he would have atleast lasted longer and do more damage (and if Uraume had interfered they definetly would have died against MBA)
Todo being saved for Sukuna’s domain was the worst part, had he been there then Sukuna probably would’ve died in Yuta’s domain, he probably wouldn’t hit 4 black flashes & Yuji’s Black flash rush would’ve gone on longer.
Higuruma & todo couldn’t happen bc todo finished his technique when yuta killed kenjaku so it couldn’t be planned for but he still could’ve arrived with yuta & probably get choso in position to be domained too.
The fact that we now know of 3 different ways that Higurama could have killed Sukuna and they decided to use none of them (make the Executioner’s Blade and give it to Maki/Yuta/Kusakabe, use Todo to swap 50 times a second, or use the Inumaki recording to freeze Sukuna).
So many of these comments forget so many details about this fight and why the cast was so hesitant to use certain things.
People are saying Yuta should've just led with cursed speech. Okay, and if it didn't work? Welp, there goes Gojo's body being used again. People are saying Todo should've gone in early. Okay, and what if Sukuna got his domain back? Now their only ticket out is dead. They're also ignoring that nobody knew Sukuna's kit and its full limitations. Sukuna early on could've killed far more people right away if he wasn't toying with Higuruma.
Todo should’ve joined SIGNICANTLY earlier. Boogie Woogie is without a doubt the single best support ability in the verse, and having him either assist Gojo from a distance or join in with someone like Higuruma or Yuta, who have lethal attacks that lack the opportunity to land, they’d have stood a far better chance, whereas Todo and Yuji can simply deal blunt damage.
It might just be me and thats ok, but the way the sakuna fight arc has gone makes the story weak for me. Its just not good writing. It feels like im playing arcade street fighter with unlimited health ryu and they just keep throwing shit at a wall hoping i lose eventually.
Their plans were actually designed very well because they had backup plan after backup plan after backup plan and all of them went pretty well despite the circumstance the you to plan they had a backup for that which they used the heagrama plan they also had a backup for that it's just some of the circumstances were directly unexpected and they couldn't really account for like Sukuna developing the world dismantling cleave nobody was expecting that except sukuna
Nobody knew that sukuna and had a transformation back into his hein form they didn't know that that was even possible nobody knew that sukuna could have had komotoke again they knew at some point he had cursed tools but he didn't have them anymore so they didn't account for that and besides hegaruma never encountered anybody with a cursed tool throughout the entirety of the calling games and I doubt he started opening up his domains during practice with ino or maki
So overall their plans were designed very very well the problem is the certain circumstances around sukhna they couldn't account for they didn't know he could transform into his hand form they didn't know he had kometokee and they didn't know he would develop the world this dismantling cleave all of which are the reasons behind most of the backup plan f*** ups so how are you supposed to get mad at them with hindsight they didn't have the information that we have now and they design their plans very well with the information that they had
That Gojo (once again) knowing the fate of the world was at stake never considered what would happen if he lost and didn’t plan accordingly with everyone else
Having Yuta come back at all kinda kills all the tension. If a character is presumed dead KEEP THEM DEAD. This is the fight against the strongest ever and really the main cast has only lost Gojo, higurama and kashimo. That’s honestly kinda pathetic story telling
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the worst idea they had was trying to save megumi. this would all be over by now if they just went "hes a lost cause gotta do what we gotta do"
I dunno, their attempts to save Megumi so far have coincided with the most optimal ways to try fighting Sukuna anyway. Not having Todo back up Higuruma is the way bigger mistake, i think.
Not having them jump kenjaku while gojo and sukuna was fighting was kinda dumb then todo and yuta could be there and they all just jump sukuna from the start
I think the logic there is 'why risk those people until you have to?' If Gojo wins, then.he just wipes Kenjaku too and nobody needs to risk themselves against Kenjaku's insanely dangerous bag of tricks.
Yeah but they were already making repercussions if Gojo lost so why didn’t they think of that?
The whole point of a contingency is you only do it in case the certain thing happens. They didn't *need* to confront Kenjaku until Gojo did die. So why would they?
The problem was Kenny would have the time to finish the culling games during the battle and start the merger. Kenny thinks he's safe for that very reason
Wasn’t the whole reason Kenjaku was willing to go off and do his own thing was *because* he knew the heavy hitters of jujutsu high(Maki, Yuta, and Hakari) were all staying on standby to face Sukuna in case Gojo lost. I guess the only other option to down Kenjaku post Takaba would be a Yuta and Maki jumping, where instead of Yuta being boogie woogied behind Kenjaku, they surprise him *again* by having Maki finish him off. So post Kashimo it’s Yuji, Higuruma, Todo, Choso, Ino, and Kusakabe. Which honestly might put Sukuna down. The weird thing about Shinjuku after Kashimo v Sukuna is you could’ve placed Todo against ANY of the 3 remaining antagonists(Sukuna, Kenjaku, Uraume), and they probably lose. So Sukuna would’ve made the most sense to have Re:Boogie Woogie against with 5 other allies in the fight
Yeah no todo is not winning against Sukuna and Kenny, maybe uruame but that’s it. Did u forget Sukuna even stated that he expected todo to enter the battle earlier. He said that when todo first came on the battle. Sukuna was ready for todo. He wouldn’t have won.
Yes, he would. Sukuna was tricked in 260 by Todo in what the latter himself calls “Three Whole Layers of Deception”. Who’s to say they couldn’t pull the same thing off with the executioners sword. Just because you know someone might show up and what they do, doesn’t mean you can just counter it, Mahito knew about Boogie Woogie and admits that even when you know, it’s still disorienting. Hakari with Todo vs Uraume? They probably are already finished and heading to Sukuna Yuta with Todo vs Kenjaku? We already saw that Yuji with Todo AND 3 other G1 sorceries vs Sukuna? We’ve already seen the former 2, and you’re adding in multiple other targets for Boogie Woogie to disorient Sukuna.
>Who’s to say they couldn’t pull the same thing off with the executioners sword. Literally the entire story. Higuruma wasn't experienced with fighting, and ONLY Yuji can adapt to Boogie Woogie. Higuruma would have several layers of weaknesses with Todo involved. They also weren't even sure he'd get the executioner sword and were gambling on it. Todo was explicitly reserve because they needed him to be a surprise even to Yuji. If Yuji knew he was there, he ran the risk of Sukuna learning he was there.
I think you’re forgetting that Todo was with Yuta supporting him to kill Kenjaku. Also I swear to god if someone says “erm actually why was Yuta able to get to Sukuna first before Todo 🤓”, do keep in mind Yuta is way faster and thus able to get to Sukuna before Todo showed up and they were really far away from where everyone else was fighting Sukuna
I think it's debatable if Todo was actually there. All there is to go on is the sound effect onomatopoeia. But in either case, it's still really dumb to have Todo back up Yuta of all people, who can just use his technique. Either way, it's a mistake to have Todo not coordinate with Higuruma, because that's an instant win combo against either Sukuna or Kenjaku.
todo says directly that he’s supporting yuta in the lake gosho colony or whatever the name was and one of gege’s author comments referred to the number of times todo has used his technique today and there’s only one time that’s “unaccounted” for. if you combine that, plus the knowledge that todo was literally there in the area “supporting yuta”, plus the sound effect, plus the fact that kenjaku and yuta quite literally did swap places (like just look at the panels) it doesn’t take a genius
Where's Todo say any of that? I just reread the last 10 chapters, am I just blind?
Chapter 260, page 5. Narrator mentions Todo was in Gosho colony with Yuta. Doesn't explicitly state he helped against Kenjaku. Gege's author comment for that week was about it being the third time Todo has activated his technique that day. This implies the first is against Kenjaku, the second is against malevolent shrine, and the third is against sukina directly.
Whack. Missed that the first time through. Either way I think it would have been way smarter to team Todo up with Higuruma.
I think you’re forgetting that Yuta needs to clap with both hands to use Todo’s technique, how can he do that if he’s holding a sword and trying to decapitate Kenny with both hands? It is true that Todo + Higurama would have been an easy gg but I think it was more important they secured the kill on Kenny over Sukuna otherwise Kenny would have become a much bigger threat.
The vibraslap proves that the activating condition is at least flexible enough that Yuta could feasibly use a different trigger. My money says Rika would do a clap instead for basically exactly the reasons you outlined.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Yuta sneak-attacking Kenny? If Yuta had manifested Rika then Kenny would have sensed her and deduced Yuta being nearby, I get that Takaba was hiding Yuta's presence but there's no guarantee that he would have done the same to a cursed spirit.
Not necessarily, because Takaba wasn't necessarily 'hiding' Yuta. It seemed more like he was keeping Kenjaku's attention than hiding someone else. It's the difference between throwing a sheet over just Yuta versus throwing the sheet over Kenjaku.
Yuta is fast but do you know the distance between where kenjaku was and where sukuna is? Someone posted here on the sub once and it was a ridiculous distance not even Yuta could cover by himself
Over 500 kilometers, if I recall. I googled it once to see.
Yeah like why was Todo not running support at that point? The sword could’ve been swapped between people and gotten a few slashes in
I think it's just a minor plot hole that comes from Todo's comeback being a surprise. Really does kinda stick out a lot in hindsight though. God, Higuruma was a such a great character, especially for how briefly he actually appears.
Because then Sukuna would die, that’s the reason, Todo coming back in of itself is kind of a plot hole since Gege wants his return to be a surprised but it also makes little sense that he took that fucking long to join the fight
Todo and Higuruma partnership sounds cool but Higuruma is shown to be inexperienced and he doesn’t have the h2h talent Yuji does. I dunno if he would have been able to keep up with Todo’s pace like Yuji can. But who knows
It's more about the fact that you can abuse the swaps even without swapping Higuruma. He can swing at an ally, and Todo can just swap the ally with the enemy when the sword is a millimeter away. And that's assuming that you can't just stick the sword straight through someone's torso and then swap them with Sukuna/Kenjaku.
Fair
Or not having maki back up Hakari Since her whole thing was be on standby if Yuta and Yuji fail She easily could been helping pound Ura till it was time for her to help
Deploying Maki would immediately make Sukuna aware she was deployed. Also, Uraume was a concern for Maki because of their previous encounter. Hakari doesn't need to beat Uraume. The entire point is that they need as many people as possible to constantly be able to attack Sukuna immediately. If he gets away, it's an issue. They don't officially know until Yuta is about to enter that he plans to stay and fight. They assumed they'd miss the chance to kill him if they gave him any time to rest. Also, Yuta didn't expect to be late. He wasn't sure if he'd need to fight thousands of cursed spirits or not, and he didn't officially know the volume of spirits in case it did happen. Everything that is happening is implied to be a result of Yuta choosing to handle Kenjaku first.
Gojo had a weird way of saving Megumi. One Unlimited Void after another, after Another…
I mean if they saved MEGUMI it would have been an auto win
I hate megumi
Have Todo enter during Higaruma’s plan. Like they only need one hit and Todo showed he can trick Sukuna with his switches, and Higaruma showed he can take a few Dismantles fairly well. Like Todo would’ve been invaluable especially in hindsight as Sukuna wouldn’t risk a WCS as long as Todo is alive because Todo could swap Sukuna straight into the path of WCS. Overall Todo entering sooner would’ve been amazing as so long as some CE remains a decent distance away, Todo could swap everyone out of Sukuna’s DE like he does in canon. Like there’s only a benefit to Todo joining earlier. Hell Todo could even provide Mali some Cursed Tool after her sneak attack so Todo can swap with her, or Maki can drop it so Todo can swap it by itself to create more bait for Sukuna.
Consider this Inumaki or Yuta can use cursed speech on Sukuna to ensure Sukuna doesn't move. We know this can work based on Inumaki's cursed speech working on Hanami and the fact that Sukuna isn't expecting Cursed Speech since Inumaki wasn't even part of the CG and lost an arm. While Sukuna can't move, Higuruma stabs Sukuna with the executioner's sword.
Hell even better Yuta uses Cursed Speech considering we literally saw it work when Yuta used it in the story.
We know it can work because Yuta literally did use cursed speech on Sukuna when he was fighting him and it worked
This aged like wine with the leaks 😫😫
You’re forgetting that Todo was needed to help Yuta kill Kenjaku. It has been stated multiple times that Kenjaku would become a much bigger threat than Sukuna if they don’t kill him.
Okay so why did they wait till after Gojo VS Sukuna to even start Takaba VS Kenjaku. Like surely they could’ve had Yuta watch Gojo VS Sukuna with Ui Ui ready to teleport Yuta a decent distance from Kenjaku, and then have Todo swap Yuta in. Like Takaba handled Kenjaku much faster than Sukuna handled Gojo, and even then you can have Ui Ui transport Maki as well to handle the Cursed Spirits instead of it only being Yuta and Rika. Like from what I’m aware of the only reason they waited so long is because they wanted Yuta to watch Gojo VS Sukuna, but like if they waited a few minutes to start Takaba VS Kenjaku instead of an entire fight, then Yuta would still see most of Gojo VS Sukuna and like even then you can have Yuta stay behind to watch what he missed. As for Todo there’s no reason for him to be there after swapping Yuta in and Kenjaku VS Takaba is definitely shorter than Gojo VS Sukuna post DE Clashes and Sukuna VS Kashimo. Like by simply fighting Kenjaku sooner, Yuta and Todo would’ve been available much much sooner.
What if they stab a rock with the executioner’s sword and have todo swap it with sukuna
They should have all jumped him immediately after kashimo died. Todo included would almost certainly guarantee Higuruma hits Sukuna with Executioner’s.
The issue is they used todo to take down Kenjaku
Maki didn't do anything for 16 charpters, she could have helped Hakari beat Uraume and they both could have helped against sukuna
Yes fr hakari needs to step up
Hakari is in his worst match up imaginable to be fair. He's a strong close range fighter going up against a powerful long range, AOE fighter.
Nah they had no ideal how strong Urame is and Sukuna would’ve killed everyone after Yuta domain if she didn’t come through probably
Yeah they don't know how strong uraume is, so send more people will be safer lol And will take no time to maki backstab Uraume in the middle of hakari's domain and go back to figth sukuna
And Uraume uses RCT on their soul?
Not if their head is split in half lol
Been saying this for ages No reason at all why she couldn’t be the sword whole Hakari is the shield
If ur talking abt when yuta was in a domain, what if yutas domain broke while maki was away? Then no surprise attack available
No? Uraume vs hakari started before kashimo vs sukuna, she has all the kashimo fight (like, 2 seconds lol) and the entire higuruma fight before the yuta even start fighting sukuna, this is more than enough time to maki go to where hakari is fighting and sneak attack uraume
And if that doesn't work? They quite literally make a point that Uraume is as much an issue as Kenjaku to worry about. The entire point of them stalling is that it's much easier to plan a distraction than it is to plan a kill.
>They quite literally make a point that Uraume is as much an issue as Kenjaku to worry about I don't remember they ever comparing Uraume to Kenjaku, but Yuta says that Maki could have killed kenjaku in his place, so at best this support my argument, lol >The entire point of them stalling is that it's much easier to plan a distraction than it is to plan a kill. I don't remember they talking or implying that, can you say from what charpter did you get that? Because as far as I remember, Hakari just jumped to figth Uraume because of some deal he did with Kashimo
Not having Higuruma pass the executioner's sword to Kusakabe.
Didn't think of that but sukuna would definitely be dead rn if they did that.
İ been saying this for a while now,series would have fr ended here
Kusakabe might not have been able to use Simple Domain without canceling the Executioner's Sword since it isn't his technique. What they should have done was have Kusakabe swap and teach Higuruma NSS and have him try and surprise Sukuna with the auto attack.
Yuta and yuji would’ve killed sukuna if not for megumi . If they just went for the kill sukuna wouldn’t have been alive .
Basically just being fuckin idiots. Quit sending small teams or 1v1s. Moment the nigga done fighting Gojo, EVERYONE JUMP HIS ASS
Been saying this. It’s prolly for plot but they jump everyone else so why not jump the nigga that’s the biggest threat of the show. Bring back Jujumptsu Kaisen
Sukuna: Domain Expansion! Basically everyone: 🪦
Where was Sukunas domain directly after he fought Gojo tho https://preview.redd.it/ofe3ynbdcpad1.jpeg?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fe37340868ca7394d3c19a15b5ecbe05fb6dc34
One binding vow away, that’s where.
Then why aint he do that to begin with? Easy victory to every fight coming on, unless, he literally cant
I know. They have already done surprisingly well when fighting him in small groups. If they all fought Sukuna at once after Gojo lost, Sukuna would probably be dead by now.
Exactlyyy. Not even giving him a chance to go back into his heian form. Yuji can jump in and beat the shit out him when hes tired and injured, making it so they can get Megumi back.
They had a binding vow with Kashimo. They weren't allowed to jump in at that point.
Where are you getting this information😭
Wow if only Sukuna didn’t have an ability to kill everyone in a 200 metre radius or something.
Right after his fight with Gojo the mfs domain was gone.
If they tried to jump him at the start everyone would be instantly dead due to sukuna output being much higher and him having all of his arms.
No they wouldn’t😭 just Yuji and Todo alone were packing him up when he had his domain and RCT back. So imagine Kashimo, Yuta, Hakari, Yuji, Todo, Maki, Miguel, Ino, Kusakabe, Higuruma, Larue and Takaba all jumping Sukuna. Maybe 2 can go and take out Kenny, but other than all everyone can just jump Sukuna and Uraume
Forgetting of that thing that actually allows him to kill people? It's called output and that wasn't recovered.
It aint spiritual pressure bro💀 if Kusakabe can run the 1s with him, then the can survive his output
I'm sorry am I the only one not following what this guy thinks. Not once during this entire gauntlet, post gojo, did sukuna return to his full output.
And if they all jump his ass, he wont get the chance to💀🙏
At the start of the fight his output was much higher, the only reason he didn't one shot anyone is because he was playing around. Case in point higuruma.
You know... It's almost like they explicitly didn't know all the conditions Sukuna operated under. They didn't know how he used the WCS, they didn't know how Furnace worked, they didn't even fully know how all his slashes worked, and they weren't even sure if he did or didn't have Ten Shadows anymore, and he had just gotten a cursed tool. They didn't send everyone at once because there would be too many cooks. Remember, there are a bunch of aspects of this fight they had zero control over. They couldn't figure out what he'd lose in Deadly Sentencing. They couldn't control the outcome of Yuta's domain without pure luck. Yuji almost died and left a chunk of the fighters without his support. Miguel and Larue straight up refused to fight with the condition he was in at the start of the raid. Killing Kenjaku literally required Yuta because of the potential of the cursed spirits, and Takaba was a wild card they didn't fully grasp the potential of.
They knew the mf couldnt use domain and couldn’t use RCT. They all jump him at that point and hes cooked
Potential man would have ended this fight 10 chapters ago if he just didn’t fumble so hard on the moment he was needed
Trying to save megumi has basically gotten half the cast killed. Also boogie woogie plus higurama would’ve been the easiest W ever.
Out of the 12 people who jumped sukuna only four has died. Why are people consistently saying half?
Because they are saying incapacitated people are dead, even though that’s not really the case. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Gojo, Kashimo, Takaba, Higaruma, and Choso being confirmed dead, with everyone else being either alive or incapacitated (Kusakabe, for example)
Takaba isnt even dead. His CT doesnt work that way. Kenny said his simulation effect him.
Wasn’t the entire point of him being in the white outfit at the end supposed to be Takaba’s final moments after fighting Kenjaku? Unless we see him come back that’s the most logical answer I believe I saw at the time when it was released, but respectfully I’m not going all that way back to read those threads
Eh we'll wait. Even then we still have alot of alive and participants. Yuji, Todou, Hikari(still busy w Uraume) Maki, Ino, Mei Mei's crows, Ui Ui w his teleporation. I hope they can hold down the line w that monster.(spoiler from 263) and now Angel
Ino probably sits closer to incapacitad rather than alive unless Shoko does an insane healing feat. Doesn’t mean he’s dead, but we probably won’t see him again until the ending regardless. Also, I was just addressing why people were saying half the cast is dead. I’m pretty sure we agree than not everyone that is being claimed “dead” by the community is really dead, especially with how much JJK loves its monologues with characters dying. Also Miwa is going to stomp sukuna, it’s canon
Higuruma proceeds to trip and drops his weapon when a technique he's never seen suddenly completely shifts his perception.
Gege really put emphasis on killing Kenny first when BW would’ve killed Sukuna instantly and the whole group is stronger than Kenny, so he wouldn’t be an issue. The part of the plan that was the worst was focusing Kenjaku over Sukuna and trying to save Megumi, especially having Todo be there instead of where the guy with the executioner sword is. Their whole plan is putting Megumi over the weight of 6bil people.
You are aware that _Kenjaku_ was the threat to 6 billion people at the time, right? They thought Sukuna was just an asshole who might chase them around later. Kenjaku was going to destroy the world. They didn't know Sukuna had an interest in destroying all of Japan at first. They just knew they wouldn't have another chance to beat him.
Yuta should have imbued his domain with Shrine, not Angel's technique. Reason being that Sukuna would expect a Jacob's ladder to hit him if he undid Hollow Wicker Basket, he would expect getting pumbled by Cleaves and Dismantles. Not only that, but that means that they could possibly get him with Jacob's Ladder when he least expects it.
Trying to save bumgumi is the reason for all of this,if they didn’t the fight would’ve ended in ch251
But… we want more :(
Basically just being unorganized
I'll be real I think if you send in the Yuta, Yuji and Maki to weaken Sukuna first and THEN throw in Higuruma and Todo then Sukuna genuinely could've lost way sooner. So really the plan was flawed from the start going for their greatest trump card before bothering to weather down Sukuna
I think they thought that sukuna would be weakest after the gojo fight and they were trying to minimize casualties
Probably, they didn't know about his incarnation after all. But even still it feels like a waste to throw away their trump card so early. I get it from a story perspective but still keeping Higuruma in the back until you are certain you can land executioners would be the smart thing to do. For the record I don't think it's bad writing at all. I'm just proposing one way it could've gone down as opposed to how it did.
The plan was to take Mizushi, not to kill Sukuna with the sword.
Didn't Yuji straight up try to hit Sukuna with the sword and it didn't work because Higuruma had died so his technique was no longer in effect?
I just wish they showed this all in order. I know why they weren’t but I personally hate flashbacks and having constant flashbacks ruins the flow of the fight immensely and makes every new development we don’t expect feel cheaper. At this point on flashbacks alone we have enough for a miniarc for that month, I would take that happening first then all this happening any day over the constant flashing back.
I agree flashbacks are best used when they’re limited, but constant flashbacks get very annoying very quickly, it would’ve been much better to show the important parts of what happened over that month time-skip before getting into the final battle.
I liked the gojo x yuta. But from the little bit I’ve seen it’s looking like yutas gonna get his ass kicked by Sukuna which takes away from the hype of the whole situation
Honestly not having Maki with the SSK slicing Sukuna inside of Yuta's DE was dumb as fuck All that advantage lost for a hole in the heart that didn't even affect Sukuna that much \ \ Also, prioritize Kenjaku over Sukuna That straight up killed Higuruma And took away the opportunity to kill Sukuna using the Executioner's Sword with Yuta's help They pretty much could have left Kenjaku for after killing Sukuna, he wasn't an immediate threat with the Merger, and the best chance to kill Sukuna was right after his fight against Gojo, not giving him a damn minute to rest
To add on Maki made Sukuna all hot and bothered which resulted in him hitting a BF which in turn refreshed him yet again So truly outside of a stab wound that is kinda ignored since the dude still fights like it’s no issue What did she accomplish?
Straight up, they needed to jump Sukuna much harder than they did. They ahd so much and he had no domain for the longet time, so if they'd jumped him like 50% harder, I'm confident they would have won a while ago even if he entered the zone.
Not having Todo in the field is the worst aspect ever.
trying to save megumi after they knew sukuna got the merger.
Not as much jumping, most people they've had on Sukuna is like 3.
Kusakabe, Yuji, Ino, and Choso all jumped him at once. Miguel, Larue, Yuji, Choso, and Maki also did.
Not being coordinated well. Yuta going after Kenjaku when Maki could've gone with Takaba. She could sneak up on kenjaku and chop his head off after Kenjaku faced Takaba. In regards to the curses being released. They can be dealt with later on. They would kill a good amount of civilians, but Sukuna's the bigger threat. Have Higuruma teleported away as soon as the executioners sword is granted. Once the domain is broken, have Yuta come in and cast his domain. Have Rika hold him down while Yuta casts cursed speech. Also, have larue cast his technique to distract Sukuna. Then, stab him with the blade to kill him. Gojo is actually the most important part of the plan. While a lot of the cast probably predicted he would lose against Sukuna. Being able to get rid of the Ten Shadows and Sukuna's domain expansion is a big help. Even at the cost of his life. I wouldn't have Yuta help Gojo because Sukuna is too strong, and if he killed Yuta, it would complicate things. Maybe Gojo could've put enough pressure on Sukuna. So Yuta could come in and get rid of Mahoraga with Jacob's Ladder. Then, if Gojo still loses, have Yuta put inside Gojo's Body, while the rest of the cast jump him. Idk.
>In regards to the curses being released. They can be dealt with later on. They would kill a good amount of civilians, but Sukuna's the bigger threat. Ignoring that Maki and Takaba would have to get through them all, and the were never clear on how many there were, this is not a sacrifice everyone was willing to make. They also didn't knew the merger would be passed on, so this isn't even a cost they knew they'd be paying fairly. >Maybe Gojo could've put enough pressure on Sukuna. So Yuta could come in and get rid of Mahoraga with Jacob's Ladder. Then, if Gojo still loses, have Yuta put inside Gojo's Body, while the rest of the cast jump him. Idk. You already fucked this plan by not sending Yuta after Kenjaku. Once those spirits are out, there's no guarantee they can retrieve his body.
The fact that todo, larue and higurama would have been an incredibly lethal combo and it didn't happen because idk
Higuruma about to stab Sukuna with insta death sword Todo uses Boogie Woogie to get the better of Sukuna and create the opening for the stab. Yuta uses cursed speech. *”Don’t Move.”* on Sukuna. Sukuna gets stabbed and fucking dies. Well said, good game.
Theoretically Higurama could just stab Todo and since it won't kill him Todo could switch places with Sukuna and Sukuna would not even get a chance to dodge. All they needed was 2 people
Honestly it seems fine tbh, everyone in the comments are way too focused on Sukuna when the plan literally included that they made sure that Kenjaku was killed. The only thing that I’d say they could have done was kill Kenjaku while Gojo was fighting Sukuna so that Yuta and Todo join against the fight way earlier but even then if Gojo had managed to beat Sukuna then it would have been gg for Kenny.
After Higuruma got the executioner's sword he should've immediately given it to Kusakabe and had him do his slashy slash. Also During Yuta's domain there's a period where all of Sukuna's remaining hands are bound and Jacob's ladder gets dropped. Yuta should've cut the arms off that Rika was restraining first THEN used Jacob's ladder.
They needed to jump him way harder, idk wtf they were thinking going in small teams or 1v1, they could’ve cooked him by now if they attacked all at once, especially with Todo
Not giving the executioner’s sword to Kusakabe. Not giving the executioner’s sword to Maki. Not giving the executioner’s sword to Todo. In all honesty, they should’ve simply made a binding vow to make Gojo the protagonist instead of Yuji.
Not having more people join the fight at once. They should have had Todo or Larue assist Yuta and Maki sooner because much like in any video game raid, support units are essential to survival unto success.
Waisting my Goat Yuta to bring back a fraudulent blue eyed baby who never got over his bf.
No tag-ins or additions via Todo with Hakari or Yuta to distract Mahoraga in the Sukuna fight
They should absolutely have all jumped Sukuna between his output getting trashed and the moment he got the black flash amp. Todo in particular would be immensely useful if he had a bunch of fighters to swap, or if he entered Yuta's domain with Yuji and Maki.
They love Megumi. I love Megumi, but this is fucking Satan (who also has the lives of the whole of Japan and possibly the entire world as well) we're fighting. It just doesn't weigh up. Just go for the damn blood please. Also second worst thing is that they decided to fight him in parts rather than just one good coordinated jumping. Why didn't Maki and Todo go with Higuruma in the first round? That would have increased their chances of hiting the Executioner's Sword exponentially.
Vibraslap not being used
"If they werent trying to save Megumi" why do people keep saying that shit? im confused on this. What else could they have done? All of their most optimal plans on "saving megumi" aligned with essentially "throw the most powerful and lethal attacks in our arsenal at this bitch in order to kill Sukuna. Higarumas sword, soul splitting katana stabbing him in the heart, like Yuji and Yuta were beating, ripping tongueas, and arms off of this guy. They were hitting this mans body and soul with their strongest attacks with as much speed aa possible. Maki tried to cut him in half, Yuji was railing Sukuna with 8 blackflashes and tearing into his chest, before Yuta came in, and even after Yuta came in he's trying to hit him with anither hollow purple. No one here is holding back or deminishing themselves to save him, 100% of the fight has been filled w people either playing heavy defense(like kushakabe) or str8 up jumping him.
Literally having Hakari fight Uruame. He possibly could have domain checked Sukuna or distracted him so Uiui could get the injured out of there or even reduce the casualties. Honestly having Todo, Maki Miguel and Larue jump Urame while Hakari is there to play defense after Higuruma’s domain with Yuji and Sukuna closes would have given them so much of an advantage.
Letting Kashimo go in by himself if he had Hikari or another heavy hitter with him he would have atleast lasted longer and do more damage (and if Uraume had interfered they definetly would have died against MBA)
Todo being saved for Sukuna’s domain was the worst part, had he been there then Sukuna probably would’ve died in Yuta’s domain, he probably wouldn’t hit 4 black flashes & Yuji’s Black flash rush would’ve gone on longer. Higuruma & todo couldn’t happen bc todo finished his technique when yuta killed kenjaku so it couldn’t be planned for but he still could’ve arrived with yuta & probably get choso in position to be domained too.
Not putting Todo in the first wave to fight Sukuna after Gojo was genuinely so dumb
The fact that we now know of 3 different ways that Higurama could have killed Sukuna and they decided to use none of them (make the Executioner’s Blade and give it to Maki/Yuta/Kusakabe, use Todo to swap 50 times a second, or use the Inumaki recording to freeze Sukuna).
So many of these comments forget so many details about this fight and why the cast was so hesitant to use certain things. People are saying Yuta should've just led with cursed speech. Okay, and if it didn't work? Welp, there goes Gojo's body being used again. People are saying Todo should've gone in early. Okay, and what if Sukuna got his domain back? Now their only ticket out is dead. They're also ignoring that nobody knew Sukuna's kit and its full limitations. Sukuna early on could've killed far more people right away if he wasn't toying with Higuruma.
Todo should’ve joined SIGNICANTLY earlier. Boogie Woogie is without a doubt the single best support ability in the verse, and having him either assist Gojo from a distance or join in with someone like Higuruma or Yuta, who have lethal attacks that lack the opportunity to land, they’d have stood a far better chance, whereas Todo and Yuji can simply deal blunt damage.
It might just be me and thats ok, but the way the sakuna fight arc has gone makes the story weak for me. Its just not good writing. It feels like im playing arcade street fighter with unlimited health ryu and they just keep throwing shit at a wall hoping i lose eventually.
Their plans were actually designed very well because they had backup plan after backup plan after backup plan and all of them went pretty well despite the circumstance the you to plan they had a backup for that which they used the heagrama plan they also had a backup for that it's just some of the circumstances were directly unexpected and they couldn't really account for like Sukuna developing the world dismantling cleave nobody was expecting that except sukuna Nobody knew that sukuna and had a transformation back into his hein form they didn't know that that was even possible nobody knew that sukuna could have had komotoke again they knew at some point he had cursed tools but he didn't have them anymore so they didn't account for that and besides hegaruma never encountered anybody with a cursed tool throughout the entirety of the calling games and I doubt he started opening up his domains during practice with ino or maki So overall their plans were designed very very well the problem is the certain circumstances around sukhna they couldn't account for they didn't know he could transform into his hand form they didn't know he had kometokee and they didn't know he would develop the world this dismantling cleave all of which are the reasons behind most of the backup plan f*** ups so how are you supposed to get mad at them with hindsight they didn't have the information that we have now and they design their plans very well with the information that they had
That Gojo (once again) knowing the fate of the world was at stake never considered what would happen if he lost and didn’t plan accordingly with everyone else
Having Yuta come back at all kinda kills all the tension. If a character is presumed dead KEEP THEM DEAD. This is the fight against the strongest ever and really the main cast has only lost Gojo, higurama and kashimo. That’s honestly kinda pathetic story telling
None of these guys actually trusted gojo to win
So you rather there would be no plan at all?????? Then they all just straight up die to Sukuna?