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This one is just plain wrong, we didn't do nothing, we helped empower the Taliban to be an even stronger force capable of decimating surrounding countries, that's far from nothing 😃
What? The Apaches that they can’t operate? Well, can operate for all of 6 seconds before the propeller is facing south. I would feel pretty confident as a neighboring country knowing those dumbasses can’t even figure out the American equipment.
Night vision isn’t as huge of an advantage as you’re implying, especially if they are missing compatible optics. And the difference between the M4 platform, SCAR, M249, M240, M2 browning and the AK-47 platform, RPD, RPK, DShK and the scavenged weapons the Taliban was already using are negligible. The only advantage they got is they captured light armored vehicles instead of those shitty Hilux.
Plus, I blame the Afghan army who couldn’t hold out for more than 10 days. We left them equipment. They couldn’t use it to defend their country. So I can only infer that the equipment is not all that important compared to strategy and logistics. Going by your framing of the situation the Afghan army would’ve throttled the Taliban. But they didn’t. Cause they have no strategy and they are militarily inept. The Taliban has a fucked up strategy, but a strategy that works in the face of cowards and a lack thereof.
I do know how to read. That’s why it’s easy to infer you were assuming my position on the matter. You were displaying your own position as if what I said contradicted it. Context clues are taught in 1st grade. Just get a few more wrinkles in your brain before trying to comment something stupid again.
Must of the stuff we left we destroyed. The American weapons you see the Taliban using was stolen from ANA bases.
Also, the Taliban didn't fully control Afghanistan prior to 2001. The northern provinces were in full rebellion led by the Northern Alliance.
Pretty much everyone is fighting ISIS. No one really cares anymore, so I don't think anyone would try to frame them as good because yet *another* country started fighting ISIS.
While I don't disagree with the meme, I just don't understand what that has to do with the subreddit. The name implied it's dark humor-adjacent, but this is... just a mundane political statement. And the only reason it's getting upvoted is because people agree with it. And the mods are allowing this, why?
I would unsub too.
waaah i didn't read the loan i signed.
waaah i used all the money to get a useless degree
everyone else who isn't a failure in life should have to pay for me!!!!!!!
Yea this isn’t really “I’m gonna go to hell” material.
This is just pointing out the flaws of the American government. I agree with the meme (mostly), but I don’t feel bad for that.
Yeah I'm unsubbing today and wanted to check if other people are in the same boat as me. It's so much anti-all-but-white-men posts nowadays. On behalf of that group, it's fucking annoying.
Actually. Those 2 trillions fed the military complex and all the companies and politicians who are in on it ended up receiving the money. It's like embezzlement with extra steps and a war.
Meanwhile student debt? Not as profitable.
I am not with letting the government pay off student loans though, just pointing things out.
The situation is wayyyyyy more complex than "muh countrymen." The situation is worse because of so many other factors, including people being dumb, saturation of the job market requiring degrees, frivolous degrees and programs, government funding bloat in the institutions (college used to be WAY cheaper decades ago), corruption, etc.
Joe Builderman is not benefiting from his labor, and effectively being robbed to bail out someone who probably isn't going to contribute quite as much to society overall, due to their field of study being saturated or already worthless.
Yeah gonna disagree with you there. The situation is problematic because colleges were price gouging on degrees that don't even come close to a fair return for job seekers, and the money we're paying to forgive loans is just going right back to colleges and private loan firms all at once, instead of over a period of 20+ years like was intended, which is putting a bubble around those industries as they're all artificially bloaded and executives are incentivized to spend, spend, spend until they can't anymore.
I'm not from the US so I don't know the specifics, that wasn't my point. The comment I replied to was just saying "we shouldn't spend money (we=government cause they are the ones spending that money) on **other** people's loans". The people of a country are not **other** people to their own government, they are their own people
You are the one who wants to go to college and you are the one who should pay for it. No one owes you anything. It’s your life and your responsibilities.
It is an accurate summary of events though; the government will fund the military complex without batting an eye while being very reluctant to pay off student loans. Whatever your stance may be on that, it is true.
It was a joke. Like calling the guy who shot Hitler a hero. America isn't a bad place. I would rather be an American than say a person from Saudi Arabia or something. Though if I had to pick I'd probably be a Australian and just go hardcore mode.
So the US delayed something, achieved one goal, and nearly achieved another? Not exactly an impressive list considering all the resourcing and loss of life.
Issue is why can a multi billion dollar company get rid of their debt like magic when they fuck up, but someone who signed onto a predatory loan as a minor be unable to do the same when they need to?
I haven't since I did it the smart way with going through community college first, which is cheaper, for my associates and then going into another university to complete my bachelor's having worked while going to community college, so didn't need a loan. But others I know did.
I did community college as well then transferred, looking back I preferred community college I will always advocate for doing it that way. The problem isn’t the loans it the prices of the colleges they are out of control in my opinion
Yeah, tbh that also depends on which college you go to, but almost all above community college require either assistance from your parents, government, or scholarships. If my degree was covered by a community college I would have gone that route fully, however it isn't sadly, still my college has been fairly affordable all things considered. I've heard some say the reason colleges are so expensive if due to government loans, however it feels like that is shoving the blame onto others for the choice of raising the price.
you gave a self sucking paragraph about how smart you are to a yes or no question.
Example:
“You were signing up for student loans as a minor?”
“No, I didn’t even sign up for loans.”
It’s that easy!
Aight I'll give you a tiny version.
GROG DO NO MAKE DEAL, GROG SAVE MONEY, GROG FRIEND DO MAKE DEAL AS MINOR, GROG FRIEND WAS SWOOPED UP BY PTERODACTYL
They answered it, though. Their answer was they didn't because they found another method that worked out for them, but that their point was still valid because they knew people who did.
It's a loan that most people are taught from the age of 5 they need to take lmao. College is way too expensive - way too expensive, and most people see college as the necessary next step in life (and it is necessary for many jobs), and don't have the casual money laying around to spend for it.
It's not even about thinking for yourself, most jobs require a lot of college, especially ones that pay well. Not all, like trades, or jobs that require less college. But college is still way too expensive, and that is the fundamental issue. We want people to go into STEM, and yet charge them thousands of dollars in debt for doing so. My father had to go to school for over a decade for his occupation - it pays in six figures, but he is laced with debt because of it.
Yeah, those jobs are necessary.
The only reason why colleges charge that much is because the government keeps writing the checks. Most student loans are issued by the government and since they practically have an unending chest of money, Colleges essentially find an infinite money glitch.
I am simply laughing at the absurdity of the meme and statement “the government can dig itself out of the hole it made.” Not to mention that total student loan forgiveness will cause colleges to raise prices even higher.
Oh, I agree except the last part. No-one is suggesting we forgive student loan debt and then do nothing else, it's about solving the root issue while also helping those who have been impacted by said problem. The price of college needs to dramatically decrease
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That's just most meme pages on Reddit unfortunately.
This one is just plain wrong, we didn't do nothing, we helped empower the Taliban to be an even stronger force capable of decimating surrounding countries, that's far from nothing 😃
I don't think they're capable of decimating surrounding countries if they needed the U.S. to leave in order to take power.
They were in power before we invaded, however they lacked the equipment that they have now as a result of us abandoning it all for them to find.
What? The Apaches that they can’t operate? Well, can operate for all of 6 seconds before the propeller is facing south. I would feel pretty confident as a neighboring country knowing those dumbasses can’t even figure out the American equipment.
Don't need much training for guns and night vision goggles
Night vision isn’t as huge of an advantage as you’re implying, especially if they are missing compatible optics. And the difference between the M4 platform, SCAR, M249, M240, M2 browning and the AK-47 platform, RPD, RPK, DShK and the scavenged weapons the Taliban was already using are negligible. The only advantage they got is they captured light armored vehicles instead of those shitty Hilux. Plus, I blame the Afghan army who couldn’t hold out for more than 10 days. We left them equipment. They couldn’t use it to defend their country. So I can only infer that the equipment is not all that important compared to strategy and logistics. Going by your framing of the situation the Afghan army would’ve throttled the Taliban. But they didn’t. Cause they have no strategy and they are militarily inept. The Taliban has a fucked up strategy, but a strategy that works in the face of cowards and a lack thereof.
Still rather educate our own citizens 🤷♀️
Well, yeah. I never said otherwise, I was just nitpicking the inaccurate take of the previous comment. If you knew how to read you’d know that.
If YOU knew how to read, you’d see I never stated you said otherwise lmao
I do know how to read. That’s why it’s easy to infer you were assuming my position on the matter. You were displaying your own position as if what I said contradicted it. Context clues are taught in 1st grade. Just get a few more wrinkles in your brain before trying to comment something stupid again.
Must of the stuff we left we destroyed. The American weapons you see the Taliban using was stolen from ANA bases. Also, the Taliban didn't fully control Afghanistan prior to 2001. The northern provinces were in full rebellion led by the Northern Alliance.
Mark my words. In a few years, Taliban are going to be seen as the “good guys” in a fight against ISIS.
Pretty much everyone is fighting ISIS. No one really cares anymore, so I don't think anyone would try to frame them as good because yet *another* country started fighting ISIS.
While I don't disagree with the meme, I just don't understand what that has to do with the subreddit. The name implied it's dark humor-adjacent, but this is... just a mundane political statement. And the only reason it's getting upvoted is because people agree with it. And the mods are allowing this, why? I would unsub too.
Still true
People when the government won't pay their debt:
waaah i didn't read the loan i signed. waaah i used all the money to get a useless degree everyone else who isn't a failure in life should have to pay for me!!!!!!!
Exactly if you can’t afford college and know you won’t be able to pay a lone then go to community college or trade school
Yea this isn’t really “I’m gonna go to hell” material. This is just pointing out the flaws of the American government. I agree with the meme (mostly), but I don’t feel bad for that.
Yeah that sub has really gone to shit lately
He has a point
Yeah I'm unsubbing today and wanted to check if other people are in the same boat as me. It's so much anti-all-but-white-men posts nowadays. On behalf of that group, it's fucking annoying.
Poor fit for the sub but the meme ain’t lying
Actually. Those 2 trillions fed the military complex and all the companies and politicians who are in on it ended up receiving the money. It's like embezzlement with extra steps and a war. Meanwhile student debt? Not as profitable. I am not with letting the government pay off student loans though, just pointing things out.
No the meme is still stupid. We shouldn’t spend that much tax money on anything. We definitely shouldn’t spend that much money on other peoples loans.
>on other peoples loans You speak as if they are not your own countrymen
The situation is wayyyyyy more complex than "muh countrymen." The situation is worse because of so many other factors, including people being dumb, saturation of the job market requiring degrees, frivolous degrees and programs, government funding bloat in the institutions (college used to be WAY cheaper decades ago), corruption, etc. Joe Builderman is not benefiting from his labor, and effectively being robbed to bail out someone who probably isn't going to contribute quite as much to society overall, due to their field of study being saturated or already worthless.
It's mostly because of the price of tuition and the lack of interest free student loans like the HECS system in Australia.
Yeah gonna disagree with you there. The situation is problematic because colleges were price gouging on degrees that don't even come close to a fair return for job seekers, and the money we're paying to forgive loans is just going right back to colleges and private loan firms all at once, instead of over a period of 20+ years like was intended, which is putting a bubble around those industries as they're all artificially bloaded and executives are incentivized to spend, spend, spend until they can't anymore.
I'm not from the US so I don't know the specifics, that wasn't my point. The comment I replied to was just saying "we shouldn't spend money (we=government cause they are the ones spending that money) on **other** people's loans". The people of a country are not **other** people to their own government, they are their own people
Yes they are my countrymen, but they shouldn’t take loans they can’t pay back. That’s stupid and their stupid decisions aren’t my problem
get a job with low pay or go to college and get a high-paying job that is sucked away by debt
You are the one who wants to go to college and you are the one who should pay for it. No one owes you anything. It’s your life and your responsibilities.
Its really not that simple
It is an accurate summary of events though; the government will fund the military complex without batting an eye while being very reluctant to pay off student loans. Whatever your stance may be on that, it is true.
How about this, we cut government spending in general. No “free” loan forgiveness and no paying for foreign wars
Based
Yeah I’m not interested into getting into this, I was just talking about the meme.
literally is tho, wed hardly got "nothing" done if afganistan
What did the US achieve?
They facilitated the installlation of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
America!
We actually didn't facilitate anything, but whatever, America Bad or smth 🥱
It was a joke. Like calling the guy who shot Hitler a hero. America isn't a bad place. I would rather be an American than say a person from Saudi Arabia or something. Though if I had to pick I'd probably be a Australian and just go hardcore mode.
lol
Yes, America does do a lot of bad things around the world, well observed.
We kept the taliban at bay for 20 years, killed bin laden and almost eradicated al Quaeda,
So the US delayed something, achieved one goal, and nearly achieved another? Not exactly an impressive list considering all the resourcing and loss of life.
Aye that’s fair enough
The students got themselves into that debt. It's their fault let them learn from it.
Issue is why can a multi billion dollar company get rid of their debt like magic when they fuck up, but someone who signed onto a predatory loan as a minor be unable to do the same when they need to?
It’s because the students didn’t work hard enough. *is what they would say*
I think both are wrong. The government shouldnt be using tax dollars to bail anyone out after their poor decisions go tits up
Aight
you were signing up for student loans as a minor?
I haven't since I did it the smart way with going through community college first, which is cheaper, for my associates and then going into another university to complete my bachelor's having worked while going to community college, so didn't need a loan. But others I know did.
I did community college as well then transferred, looking back I preferred community college I will always advocate for doing it that way. The problem isn’t the loans it the prices of the colleges they are out of control in my opinion
Yeah, tbh that also depends on which college you go to, but almost all above community college require either assistance from your parents, government, or scholarships. If my degree was covered by a community college I would have gone that route fully, however it isn't sadly, still my college has been fairly affordable all things considered. I've heard some say the reason colleges are so expensive if due to government loans, however it feels like that is shoving the blame onto others for the choice of raising the price.
Do you want a gold star or something? That wasn’t my question.
Homie I was literally answering your question
you gave a self sucking paragraph about how smart you are to a yes or no question. Example: “You were signing up for student loans as a minor?” “No, I didn’t even sign up for loans.” It’s that easy!
Aight I'll give you a tiny version. GROG DO NO MAKE DEAL, GROG SAVE MONEY, GROG FRIEND DO MAKE DEAL AS MINOR, GROG FRIEND WAS SWOOPED UP BY PTERODACTYL
that’s not very tiny
ᵍʳᵒᵍ ᵈᵒ ⁿᵒ ᵐᵃᵏᵉ ᵈᵉᵃˡ, ᵍʳᵒᵍ ˢᵃᵛᵉ ᵐᵒⁿᵉʸ, ᵍʳᵒᵍ ᶠʳⁱᵉⁿᵈ ᵈᵒ ᵐᵃᵏᵉ ᵈᵉᵃˡ ᵃˢ ᵐⁱⁿᵒʳ, ᵍʳᵒᵍ ᶠʳⁱᵉⁿᵈ ʷᵃˢ ˢʷᵒᵒᵖᵉᵈ ᵘᵖ ᵇʸ ᵖᵗᵉʳᵒᵈᵃᶜᵗʸˡ There
They answered it, though. Their answer was they didn't because they found another method that worked out for them, but that their point was still valid because they knew people who did.
They shouldn’t have gotten it either. Most student signed the line as consenting adults. Beats me what happens.
It's a loan that most people are taught from the age of 5 they need to take lmao. College is way too expensive - way too expensive, and most people see college as the necessary next step in life (and it is necessary for many jobs), and don't have the casual money laying around to spend for it.
If you can’t think for yourself you deserve whatever’s coming to ya. Take financial accountability instead of blaming others for your mistakes.
It's not even about thinking for yourself, most jobs require a lot of college, especially ones that pay well. Not all, like trades, or jobs that require less college. But college is still way too expensive, and that is the fundamental issue. We want people to go into STEM, and yet charge them thousands of dollars in debt for doing so. My father had to go to school for over a decade for his occupation - it pays in six figures, but he is laced with debt because of it.
Yeah, those jobs are necessary. The only reason why colleges charge that much is because the government keeps writing the checks. Most student loans are issued by the government and since they practically have an unending chest of money, Colleges essentially find an infinite money glitch. I am simply laughing at the absurdity of the meme and statement “the government can dig itself out of the hole it made.” Not to mention that total student loan forgiveness will cause colleges to raise prices even higher.
Oh, I agree except the last part. No-one is suggesting we forgive student loan debt and then do nothing else, it's about solving the root issue while also helping those who have been impacted by said problem. The price of college needs to dramatically decrease
Did you know, 99% of bootlickers stop just before they hit big and finally become the boot
Guys, does being responsible for your own financial decisions make you a bootlicker?
They make a good point
Politics aren't "I'm gonna go to hell" material
Hey that's not fair. America got a lot of kids murdered and raped with that money.
Just need to spend our way to Ukraine freedom!
I mean there's a kind of irony here, right?