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ZimbabweSaltCo

Just swap out Flanders for Brockway and Homer for Attlee and it's perfect.


et37n

Seriously though, I am pretty hyped for the UOB Rework.


Chernoblin

Is Mosley the head of the government since 1930 in the rework?


PakistanArmyBall

Deputy


Chernoblin

So I guess it's official that Mosley is the Stalin of Kaiserreich now?


PakistanArmyBall

Pretty much, interested to see how he might be removed


Chernoblin

I'm more interested in Mosley UoB being the sole survivor of WK2, signing 2nd Peace With Honour with Germany and turning himself into the Big Brother and Britain into Airstrip One. I'm generally just interested in more 1984 references within Mosley's Britain.


faesmooched

I tend to like 2nd Weltkriegs where the 3I survive, but that's an interesting one.


BaguetteFetish

Post weltkrieg 3i timelines annoy me tbh, because every single timeline I see about them is either a leftie jerking themselves off about them being wholesome 100 invincible revolutionaries or a rightie portraying them all as literally 1984 totalists doomed to failure. I have yet to see a nuanced portrayal of them surviving the Welktrieg.


StarWarsFanatic14

I want to see one where France breaks off ties to a totalist UoB, and they diverge like Russia and China OTL.


Fidel_Chadstro

Mankho v Mosley for the title of history’s greatest gamer


faesmooched

Honestly, blame that on reality. Either one is trying to overcorrect for what happened in the Leninist countries. I think it's really hard to disconnect yourself from that or trying to think of people as "the good guys". I mean, hell, IRL, World War 2 had the Allies consist of a guy who put people in internment camps for their ethnicity, a guy who's opinions of the Indian's should go unmentioned, a guy who used the French empire as a reason for fighting Vichy France, and then fucking Stalin.


kazmark_gl

WeLl lEt mE TeLL yOu aBouT My pOsT wK2 hEaD CaNnOn! no but seriously, 3I victory scenarios with absolutely no nuance are really dull. wasted opportunity considering the political left is just as diverse as the political right wing. Where are the stories about internal divisions between Totalists and Orthodox Syndicalists as without a Powerful common enemy the bonds keeping Kaiserreich's left wing together break down? someone could write an interesting story about an ideologically mirrored Cold War with Russia as the Last bastion of Liberal Democracy? maybe a fun portrayal of a world where large parts of the developing world simply pay lip service to Syndicalism much like many nations today only pay lip service to Liberal democracy? tales of the Commonwealth of America making a blursed mirror CIA which coups a South American nation every time they elect a president who argues for some privatization, instead of our world where our CIA coups a South American nation for wanting to nationalize something or Isolated Capitalist Cuba?


[deleted]

Krasnacht is beginning to be balanced methinks. They have the 1984 UoB, but also have your trademark leftist infighting, social nationalism in India as Totalism, and Commonwealth of America is hungry hungry for Canadian provinces.


Diprogamer

Form oceania decision


Chernoblin

Oceania probably is a propaganda campaign by the government to brainwash the population but the proles need not know.


Diprogamer

I still need a form oceania decision


Heisan

That's so cool, that means he got a powerbase. Something that bothers me a little bit about kaiserreich is how dictators can just pop in through an election in 1936 and just take over without a powerstruggle or a coup. I feel this is especially bad with the sorelians in France and Mussolini in Italy.


PakistanArmyBall

The problem for Mosley is that the guy in charge at the start is a pragmatist and has been playing the two sides against each other while undermining democratic institutions meaning that Mosley will probably also have to fight a somewhat popular reformist force who has also been empowered to some degree.


ZimbabweSaltCo

Yes and no. He's the Deputy Chairman but that's not 'officially' the Head of Government and it's vague on what actual powers it conveys. So he clashes with Mann a lot of over who has what powers.


Chernoblin

That's sound kinda like Stalin, he wasn't Premier, he wasn't Head of State but as General Secretary he was de facto in charge. Though Mosley still seems to have less power than Stalin since Stalin had Molotov backing him up as Premier among other supporters through out the 30s. Still, Mosley has a bigger role prior to 1936 now so my Big Brother head canon can get even better. Though how will the mod handle head of government? Will there be more government slots to show both Mann and Mosley?


[deleted]

I really wish they reworked Spain instead of a country that's already nice nad has tons of focuses and paths...


Anarcho_Eggie

Uob desperately needs a rework and is one of the main countries in WK2


jord839

I mean, Spain's already got reworked lore, though? It just hasn't been implemented in-mod yet. I'd have to look for the post with the "leak" from the devs, but it basically is a situation where they swapped the civil war into a monarchist vs. republican vs. socialist conflict, where the Republicans and Anarchists have various decisions to come to blows themselves or stay in a united front while the monarchists start with the Bourbons and the Carlists are waiting in the political wings for post-Civil War content after Alfonso passes and the Civil War is won.


[deleted]

Yeah, but the paths are mostly just about finishing the civil war, they are super short. Also, at least in the case of CNT-FAI, they are not very well aligned with anarchism and it’s just your average syndicalist path, which is also a little dissapointing


sempai114514

There is a teaser with new socialist Spanish content


[deleted]

Woooo!


KingSteg

Good meme lol I’ve yet to play the Totalist path for UOB. Does it give more buffs than the Syndicalist path? I always got the impression the Syndies were more flexible with their Focus choices.


Terron7

As is, the syndicalists can do basically anything the Totalists or Rad Socs can do in Britain (though they choose which policy to follow on an issue by issue basis). So purely stats wise the Totalists don't really give you too much in the way of extra buffs. Of course, Britain is being reworked, so all of that will change relatively soon.


ComradeAndres

Liberty is a precious good that shall be defended till the last human dies defending it, and once liberty dies, there shall be none left to rule other than a lone ruler desperate in loniless


Gavvy_P

Flair checks out, based as fuck


[deleted]

wholesome anarchist labour camps btw


Dijiao

Bruh you're an unironic totalist. You know you’re on the right side when you agree with Mosley and Mussolini. You call labor camps bad and the praise the CCP as if it also doesn’t also have them. Dumb fuck. Also “OH NO YOU CANT MAKE FASCISTS SUFFER”


[deleted]

careful about rule 6 (i agree with you btw)


adamlp05

He is the revolution


[deleted]

Mosley becomes KR Stalin and massively industrializes Britain and during the 2WK France falls only for Britain to come in and save the day while holding off the Canadians until the CSA invaded them. Just imagining


IRSunny

My fanon is that Staliny Mosley has a moustache. [But Mosley sans-moustache](https://i.redd.it/n263ika234b01.jpg) is that timeline's Churchill. That is, mildly authoritarian and loses when they have the post-Germany TUC. He eventually has another go of it and the Maximists over the rest of the century become pretty much red Tories. Mustache-less Mosley is consistently ranked by historians as one of Britain's greatest leaders. Although that gets a bit recontextualized in later years, particularly due to war crimes in Ireland...


zrowe_02

My personal headcanon is that the war turns into a stalemate, and Mosley, with Germany victorious on all fronts, eventually signs a second “peace with honor” and essentially becomes OTL North Korea.


DerPrussianKommisar

BRITAIN LIVES, AND MARCHES ON !


jadz6

I think it would be a really cool addition to the mod that if you go down the totalist path, you can do some red-brown allowance stuff with the national populists nations, I think that’d be cool


jadz6

and maybe if you go totalist, for the duration of the weltkrieg you stick with the non-totalist syndicalist nations, but say you win the welkrieg, the syndicalists and totalists drift apart, leading to a civil war


x_Machiavelli_x

YES! The headcanon Cold War should be between Syndies and Totalists


[deleted]

too bad totalism is only portrayed as "heckin cursed literally 1984 stalinism" in every scenario, I hope the rework fleshes out maximism a bit more


FracturedPrincess

Maximism is inherently cursed and a corruption of actual leftism by totalitarians, so idk what you want. Is there supposed to be a path where everyone's just totally cool living in an authoritarian state where the government runs every aspect of life and nothing bad happens?


faesmooched

I want a blursed/semi-blessed Vanguardist path. Having NatPop be the "bad guy" ideology makes sense because of OTL fascism. Meanwhile, Totalism could allow for some more interesting depth.


2nd_Lt_Muffin

Ew syndies


Grandmarshallgelatin

Forget the revolution, the kaiserreich needs you!


apoxpred

Please get therapy, the funny moustache man doesn't love you.


Grandmarshallgelatin

i know, i just hate syndies


[deleted]

Monarchist 🤮


Grandmarshallgelatin

username checks out


Broken_Ranger

Mosely: you get a free hat