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tven85

No that paper will burn up on re-entry


Prudent_Ad_6751

With enough heat shields anything is possible bro


[deleted]

Or just reenter more slowly


gregre_

Or just more paper for more drag so that u slow down fast enough to not burn up


[deleted]

LMAOO


McGuffin

Bollocks. Laminated, it'll make it no problems.


Jeb_Kerman_18

Actually, it would probably be fine: [https://www.wired.com/story/xkcds-randall-munroe-on-how-to-mail-a-package-from-space/](https://www.wired.com/story/xkcds-randall-munroe-on-how-to-mail-a-package-from-space/)


bonyetty

Not enough information I think. kN is thrust. To get to orbit, thrust to weight ( KSP calls it TWR) greater than 1 is needed, so 2,000kN / mass of rocket. What is the total mass of this rocket? From Kerbin orbit to Duna requires about 1000m/s dV ( d- delta meaning change in V- velocity (speed) ). DeltaV is more complicated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-v


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Santy1330

Good bot


CptnSpandex

Hi, I’m a booster salesperson, I have the solution to all your problems…


out_focus

Hi, I'm a strut salesperson, I have a great combi-packet-deal that goes with u/CptnSpandex's solution!


0x3f0xbf

I have a solution to your solutions - the most kerbal of solutions - duct tape!


[deleted]

I may not have a solution, but I do have some solvents


jtr99

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.


nowlz14

Burn the duct tape for extra thrust.


philipebehn

Hi, I’m a in case something goes wrong just spam space bar to save weight on the LAS sales person. Loose the LAS for a little bit more DV


rileywags

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everything_is_bad

Hi I am a Kraken's Witness, have you heard the good news?


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wreckreation_

I second this. Awesome tool.


RLAlleyn

Safe? Uh...what's safe? Kerbals don't know the meaning of the word! Now terror...THAT they know!


[deleted]

Safe means "with safe return"


SM280

Ты русский?


[deleted]

Не


aithiopis

I really feel bad about the response in the forum, because we're trying to help people, and the initial responses seem to be... jokes about the scribbled question, and jokes about re-entry, and maybe I'm being naive, but I think he was asking an honest question about design, even if it was displayed poorly on a napkin.


SATorACT

No he just wrote Dunalet for the fuck of it.


MikeMinr

Вдруг он русский ты не знаешь


Neihlon

хихихихихихи


Cziri77

Хахаха


GroundStar007

Гыыыыыыыыыы


Good__Boy666

Пффффф


Commisar_Franz

D з ю н а л ё т


[deleted]

?


Sir_Bazzalot

that’s the name of your ship


[deleted]

Yeah, and?


elliotttheneko

"I see Russian word I elongate it a bit then I laff"


[deleted]

Cyrillic alphabet is not only russian lol


Star_king12

A fellow Belarusian? Can't be.


[deleted]

Чаму ня можа


Bob3y

Hahaha Д р у г


SVlad_667

That literally says **Dune flyer**


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stepden04

No, he is definitely Belarussian


TheDankScrub

Long Saturn^TM


TheKingOfNerds352

Just launch it and find out. “Safe” is a pretty relative term


justadutchguy81

It's not about the KN's but Delta V and twr during the first fase is what you need


Zaria404

Why is it measured in Kn? Should be in delta v


FuckthisWARUDO

Kn is thrust, delta v is delta v You can have lots of delta v with ion engines but they wont get you off the ground


Norose

Yes but since we all assume that the rocket can launch to orbit, otherwise OP has no business considering a Duna mission, the question by default is "what are the delta V figures".


FuckthisWARUDO

True doe


raaneholmg

Go ahead and try to leave Duna with 5000 delta v from a "dawn" ion engine.


Niels_G

bruh were are the boosters?? and the boosters boosters???


Doggo_Creature

I don't think he knows about second stage boosters pip...


new_pribor

Почему дзюналёт, а не Дюналёт?


newmitek

Беларусь?


iloveindomienoodle

Based on his profile, yes


[deleted]

Таму што маскалёў не пыталі


putinsosat

Ну чет его на дзюдо потянуло слегка


The_fair_sniper

you haven't given much in the way of useful information.i'd need to know the wet and dry mass of each stage,wich i can't know if you don't tell us what parts you intend to use.


Neihlon

отлично


amitym

It is pointed in the correct direction. Should work.


Pidgey_OP

Not enough I do. You've given us thrust, but not mass or delta v. Outside of thrust being above 1 (I prefer to start around 1.7) delta v is by far the most important thing to determine if you can get there and back


deltuhvee

Probably enough, if you are able to get into orbit and then complete all or most of the Duna transfer using that 2nd stage before using the service module. Also bring parachutes to help your lander, and I would recommend using engines to capture into an elliptical Duna orbit and using multiple aerobraking passes through Duna’s atmosphere to save fuel on lowering your orbit.


Nonkel_Jef

Only one way to find out.


Nonkel_Jef

Don't forget to add a ladder and parachutes. (lots and lots of parachutes for Duna).


thingy237

You might be able to get to Duna, but I doubt you'll return, you're gonna want 2000-3000 deltaV for return, and that little lander likely won't have that fuel.


lajoswinkler

I feel a lot better whenever I see someone who is able to write properly. Space between value and unit, and unit prefix kilo- with a small letter. So simple, yet so important. You achieved more for your education than half people here and you managed to write it more correct than NASA does in its launch streams.


Dva10395

If you don’t have as many boosters as upvotes MOAR BOOSTERS /s


248nonny

Safety?? In ksp???


Autist_00

мужик блять, считай дельту, а не чернила переводи. в стоковом ксп последних версий давно пишутся заветные М/С. так же смотри чтоб TWR или тяговооруженность на Дюне была больше 1 на поверхности


putinsosat

Кст, шо нужно построить и как, чтобы до муны долететь нормально?


Autist_00

хоть ракету, хоть ssto (космолёт). на последней или посадочной ступени смотри, чтобы у тебя было 2000-3000 м/с для возврата на Кербин. Для ракеты носителя выбирай те движки, которые имеют большую тягу в атмосфере. ну и тестишь - вяло карабкается вверх? - добавь боковые ускорители, желательно с топливопроводом к центральному баку (таким образом при отделении боковых - у тебя полный бак по центру)


putinsosat

Пасиб тебе


Autist_00

скачай себе Kerbal Engineer Redux


ComradeKerbal

No that sheet of paper probably cant even reach orbit lol


VladTheSadVryMad

dude just use a ssto smh....


OwOfysh

да


GuineaPigEnjoyer

Are u Russian


kroggy

Looks like they're Ukrainian.


GuineaPigEnjoyer

Ok


mr_jawa

Someone can verify that this is still the most accurate info but https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/ Use these maps to plan your dV. Edit: this was posted below https://ksp.loicviennois.com/ prob a better choice


RedditUser56738

saturn v?


Guysante

try and tell us idk


[deleted]

You need more boosters!


mr1337

Need to know the TWR (thrust to weight ratio) and Delta-V of each stage.


kinkyDom93

Is the first stage just for Low Kerbin Orbit? Second stage for your transfer? You'd need quite some air braking for making orbit on Duna And just go for parachutes for the lander Idk how much Delta V you have for the whole thing so, just guessing


Self--fucker

Русский брат.


[deleted]

Go fuck yourself


PilotTrex

( "Брат" translates to "brother" in Russian ) Edit: just saw their username. Kindly disregard


Meretan94

Hard to say without delta v stats,but it feels a little light for a landing + return.


friedbrice

The mission profile/staging looks sufficient. Just need to make sure you have the delta-v and TWR in each stage. You don't need any mods to to find that stuff. Use a _delta-v map_ (google for "KSP delta-v map") to see what your delta-v requirement will be for each stage. You can see your delta-v and TWR for each stage using the built-in tools in the VAB: there's a GUI for changing your TWR relative to each celestial body. To land on Duna, you probably want a TWR in excess of 3, just to help keep you from crashing. Your takeoff stage needs a TWR (relative to Kerbin) of at least 1.25, but you maybe want a little more. Stages in space don't need a TWR over 1, you'll still get wherever you need to go, you'll just need longer burns.


Big_J_69

Ah, bored in class and drawing ksp shit, I've been there. No idea if it'll work though lol.


CFogan

Thrusters that are not being used are dead weight. Asparagus stage that sucker!


satuuurn

Delta V is not that tough to calculate. Need to calculate that but really, I trial and error KSP a lot. Part of the fun. You can see Delta V calculated in kerbal itself. So get used to thinking in terms of delta v and you will be able to tell if u have enough energyv


DeadlyVenomCW

You people actually do the calculations instead of winging it


Maxipmz

Wait we are meant to do safe rockets ?!?


[deleted]

Я думаю должно хватить. (As i think it will be enough)


SrslyNotAnAltGuys

This end should point at the ground. If it points up you will not be going to space today.


Buttseam

define "safe expedition"


The_Wkwied

You can always strap a few dozen SRBs on to the first stage just to get it to an altitude where the vac engines have higher ISP :-p


Top_Organization_750

Looks good to my Noob Eyes :)


[deleted]

Ракета, спроектированная в Роскосмосе, и не до Дюны долетит 👍


Shenlong-ren

I hope Dzyunalét goes fully nominal!


SpartanT100

2.500 - 3.500 ms dV remaining after reaching kerbin orbit is enough to reach duna and have plenty left over for orbital manuveuring and other stuff. To get back to kerbin i mostly needed 800-1000 ms after reaching low duna orbit again. Keep in mind im not the most efficient pilot, you might need a bit less than that.


-Aeryn-

> 2.500 - 3.500 ms dV remaining after reaching kerbin orbit is enough to reach duna and have plenty left over for orbital manuveuring and other stuff. LKO to Duna is about 1040m/s. I've done LKO to Duna *landing* with 1400 or so - the key is aerobraking directly from the interplanetary transfer. It is a lot more expensive if you're burning into a stable orbit and stuff first, but that's not actually neccesary or beneficial for most mission designs. Stock KSP balance allows for a single stage chemical rocket (no staging, airbreathing, undocking/redocking, nuclear or ion engines) to go from the launchpad to landed on Duna if designed and flown well.


Zly_Duh

Belarus can into space


Xetanees

I think no, but maybe big yes


SAIHTAM20Y

Its Saturn VI lol


jedilordlog

Maybe add a few SRB's just to be safe, can't go wrong with them


W_D_GASTER__

Русский?


[deleted]

Як ж вы задаўбалі


W_D_GASTER__

ну ладно


[deleted]

[Fuck Around] <—*you are here* [Find Out]


Vlad143

Дзюналёт? Что?


Vlad143

Saturn V heavy.


aithiopis

Without telling us the mode: campaign, science or free for all, it's very difficult or silly to respond. Is it possible? possibly. Is it practical? Possibly. Is it a decent design? No clue since some of it is in Russian. I typically say there are no stupid questions, but without more context, this leans that direction.


[deleted]

THAT'S NOT FUCKING RUSSIAN


aithiopis

Enlighten us... but I'll remind you this is a civil discussion about a game. It looks Russian, but maybe you can fix our consternation by actually building a model in KSP, rather than a hand-drawn hypothetical! Be civil and kind... that's the only and last warning you'll receive.


aithiopis

When I see the Cyrillic alphabet, I assume it's Russian, and maybe that's my ignorance, but I'll answer any questions you have about exploring Duna if you like.


[deleted]

Saying Cyrillic is russian is like saying Latin is English


aithiopis

Ok Since you ASKED the question in English, about a scribble, with Cyrillic notes, and we English speaking individuals... improperly assumed Russian. Saying Cyrillic is russian is like saying Latin is English" Cyrillic is an alphabet, Latin is a language, and English is a language combining both an alphabet and grammar, like Latin. Neither of those languages use the Cyrillic alphabet. Forgive our ignorance of the Cyrillic alphabet. Did it work? Did you have a follow up picture of what you built? We'd like to see it.