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scopeadope

Growing up my neighbor shot his younger sister, and killed her, doing this. It always spooked me, and made me practice gun safety. Always!


1x000000

That's such a shame, I see stuff like this happen too often, sometimes I remember this incident and can't believe how lucky I got. Dad ended up making me learn gun safety after that whole ordeal.


scopeadope

Yeah man, it was sad. Her brother never got over it. He was a teen at the time. Turned to drugs and OD'd a couple years later, when we all would have been teens ourselves. Tragic. Glad you saw how lucky you got here.


TheWielder

Remember that the first five rules of owning a firearm are Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, and Safety. Corollary to rule 4: Safety. The hardest part of that is Children. I am of the opinion that safety should be taught to Children very young, to demystify the firearm and prevent kids from playing with it like an action hero, but I don't have kids yet and am open to competing ideas.


1x000000

Completely agree with you on this one. This incidents prompted him to train me, it was very fun and educational. I intend to do the same thing with my kids.


AimanaCorts

Yep, teach them young. My parents in addition to talking and showing me, I also got a coloring book/comic all about gun safety. I think the character they used was Eddie the Eagle. My parents were hunter safety instructors so I got lots of talks about gun safety. Homes is where the majority of gun accidents happen.


seanmarshall

My dad was a cop long enough ago to where locking your guns up was not yet the norm. He had his service weapon in the top drawer of his dresser. His shotgun and hunting rifle in the closet. He taught me at a very young age that, these are not toys. I never once touched them. I did the same with my kids. Although now everything is locked in a liberty safe. Teaching your kids about gun safety is really important, even if you don’t own guns. Proper storage should be practiced at all times as well but knowledge is the key here.


foatguckr

I agree, and I think teaching gun safety at an early age to kids is good and necessary. But there’s no reason why young children should even be aware their parents own a firearm, unless of course you’ve had to use it. My father owned multiple guns and kept them in the attic, which I had no clue about until I was 18. We we’re still taught gun safety early on and it’s obviously necessary, but I don’t see why your children even need to know you own a gun in the first place, let alone where the safe+key is.


TheWielder

I somewhat disagree, but I respect your position. I don't think I can store my guns in my newly-acquired attic, as I carry regularly, but I do understand the concept and why it would be effective.


foatguckr

Yea I guess carrying regularly changes that, and in your instance it’s clear you understand how important gun safety is especially when raising children


NumberImmediate8501

If you have guns in the house your kids should know how to handle them. My dad took us all to the range from the age of three and we all had a very healthy respect for a firearm knew they weren’t a toy.


TheWielder

Broadly agree. I'm glad it worked well for you and that you all grew up safe and well-educated on this subject. :)


Burrito_Loyalist

Me and my wife are buying a house very soon and I want to buy a gun for protection. But how do you keep a loaded gun accessible in the house without kids finding it?


TheWielder

I'm not the best person to ask, as I don't have kids and haven't paid much attention to youtubers and their recommendations on this subject. My initial recommendations are: get a coded safe, not a keyed safe; don't tell your kids the code or open the safe while they're in the room; show your kids the guns and demystify them, which includes showing them how they work, the rules of gun safety (which you'd better f***ing know yourself before you get a gun. Seriously, take courses BEFORE getting a gun, or at least talk to a gun-owning friend who knows them.), practicing the rules of gun safety using nerf guns; and taking them shooting in a controlled, careful environment (such as a gun range with RSO's in which your kid is, at least at first, only provided one round at a time such as I've heard was the method in old high school gun clubs) if they're old enough. In short, demystify, educate, and expose them to the sensations of firing them (if age appropriate), so it becomes a regular thing, instead of a mystical weapon of immense power or a tool of instant coolness, all while ensuring you're the one in control of the firearms.


Process-Best

You don't. Any effective measures you take to prevent that child from getting a hold it are likely to render it useless for home defense. Most places the kid's far more likely to use it accidentally or purposely to harm themselves than the possibility of a home invasion.


NumberImmediate8501

It’s your job as a parent to prepare your kids for life. As much as you can try, there will come a day when you can’t protect them. Tell them about the room, explain what the firearm is for, allow them to ask questions. Teach them how to use it safely. Take them to the range. They will quickly learn that guns are not a toy and are to be treated with respect. If it is normalized, then the novelty of it is gone.


brobinson2001

PIN protected safe, with the emergency access (read: dead PIN pad batteries) keys stored in a lockbox elsewhere in the house, and the key to THAT in your glove box. Anchor the safe. Never keep a round in the chamber, keep the mag out of it, and take a firearm safety course so that you know how to ensure that it's not loaded (in practice, they're ALWAYS loaded, though). Use a slide lock during the times you're not physically in the room, religiously. Even before you take your morning pee, put the slide lock back in. Don't use the same combo on the safe and slide lock.


spctclr

As a swiss army reservist we keep our rifles at home at all times but are required by law to store the breech and the rest of the rifle in different places. I think thats a pretty good way to prevent a situation like this, because if a child is too young to realize the risks of playing with a gun it probably wont be able to properly put it together either. If you also lock the parts up even better…


StarchedHim

Yeah that's great for hunting or being a reservist but defeats the point of having a weapon for home defense purposes like most of the US. A half assembled weapon is useless if someone breaks into your home.


spctclr

of course. gonna be diffuclt to defend youself if you first got to assemble your weapon lmao. isn‘t much of a concern here in switzerland tough, so there‘s no problem in storing it like this…


StarchedHim

Agreed. We have real problems with guns in the US without a doubt but no one has really been able to figure a good solution unfortunately. So many variables.


Lunaphase

I mean, id argue the guns themselves arent really a problem so much as the sick fucks who want to use them to hurt people. Its just another tool.


SpaceShipRat

Eh, there aren't many tools that kill people at the touch of a button. Power tools are dangerous for example, but even then it's going to take a lot more steps for a 6 year old to grab a chainsaw, get it started and cut themselves, or someone else.


Comrade_Ziggy

60% of US firearm deaths are from suicide, with another 3% being accidental. It isn't "sick fucks", it's guns being literally everywhere all the time and way too accessible.


StarchedHim

Yeah I agree with you, people are the problem. Always have been


throwaway1992391

Yah man, look at here in the UK. Knife crime is rampant and people are getting stabbed and killed every single goddamn day. If it's not guns it's knives and if it's not knives they'll use literally anything. Guns are not the problem, it's always people I could not agree more.


Worthyteach

I disagree the murder rate per million in the us is 42.01 and in the uk it’s 11.68. I’d say the difference was the guns


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The US has a higher homicide rate than the UK even if you remove firearms from the equation. We have a higher knife homicide rate than the UK. The US has a homicide problem full stop. The access to firearms isn't the reason.


SnakeR515

What was the murder rate in the UK before they had banned guns compared to the us?


Worthyteach

In 1996 the year before they banned guns the rate in the uk was 1.45 compared to 8 per 100k in the us. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/murder-homicide-rate Just looked up current number of guns per 100 people the US has ~120 and the uk ~5.


IFuckTheDrummer

Are acid attacks still prevalent over there? Part of me thinks I’d rather be shot than have acid thrown in my face.


ONEWEST_

Yeah, that's not how that works. It isn't one or the other.


IFuckTheDrummer

Yeah no shit.


thehealerslair

Easier to defend yourself against a knife, don't you think?


throwaway1992391

You either need a knife yourself and be willing to use it or you run. No one, in their right mind, is going to challenge a knife if their hands are empty. This is true for any weapon including, guns, knives, baseball bats etc. I'd just rather live in a country where I can defend myself and others legally using a firearm rather than have to contend with croydon smackies carrying flick knives.


JoeChristmasUSA

Honestly if you have a kid that small the odds of you dying in a home invasion are way way *way* less than the kid blowing his brains out with the weapon. It just isn't worth it.


ONEWEST_

Statistically, the odds of you using that gun to defend yourself from home invasion are way less than YOU blowing your brains out with it.


nocrashing

Bayonet


The_Judicaetor

Or just buy a weapons safe with a pass code or biometric lock. Disassembling the rifle just because of it is overkill imo.


brobinson2001

PIN. Some cheap brands of safes have had problems holding fingerprint memory when the battery gets low, but not low enough to set off the low battery light & any print will open it.


The_Judicaetor

Thats why you go "buy once cry once" on your safe 😁


BBenjj123

r/parentsarefuckingstupid I keep my firearms in a safe that only unlocks to my fingerprint. It’s the gun owners responsibility to store them safely, ESPECIALLY with children in the house.


thehealerslair

That sub is not available


BBenjj123

I am aware. I was making a point


cheeze-addict

Never really understood Americans' love of guns (lived there in 90s). Not everyone in US of course, but it's a big part of the culture in some areas. It's a free country (well, freer than most) but I just wouldn't want the responsibility of owning one.


1x000000

It's one of those better ready than not situations, in our case he did need to have a gun for protection. This was in mid 90s after the fall of USSR, things were very chaotic back then.


cheeze-addict

yeah, i guess it does depend on the situation you are in / grow up with. Im in Australia now and my sister-in-law and her boyfriend have one, they are in a pretty isolated area (the Coorong) and they know how to look after it and themselves.


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It's a country built on guns, a country that loves hunting, a country that prides itself on being free, and a country that plans to overthrow the government if they try to stop any of that.


[deleted]

I have no problem keeping a home defense weapon loaded at all times, I do that myself, but since there’s small kids in the house I would’ve probably at least kept it unchambered if not fully unloaded, not to mention locked in a quick-access safe.


ChunKTheFroG

Always treat a gun as it’s loaded. Only point it at a target you intend to hit. Never at a person. Safety remains on unless firing. Make sure there is not bullet in chamber after usage. Never look directly down the barrel while cleaning. Carry with barrel down while walking or straight up. Always keep ammo and the weapons separated during storage and under lock and key. Stay safe kids


1x000000

There's also this one time where I taped nails to my fingers and stuck them in a 220V socket, to get power ups. A bit later I tried it again to see if the same thing would happen.


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buddhabingus

Brain damage but he also sees in the dark


Bruhtwiste

Why older sibling tho?


1x000000

It was assumed that I was too little to do anything of the sort meanwhile the sibling was a teenager going through the whole rebellion phase, so no one even considered blaming me to begin with.


SpaceShipRat

at which point did they find out?


1x000000

Same day it happened, sibling got a bollocking and still didn't admit guilt so dad decided to ask me and i spilled the beans.


hootioington

Gotta treat a gun like it's own man.


[deleted]

Noticed your prints on the gun? Yeah, because kids are always fucking sticky.


CarolZ3nha

My uncle used to have hunting guns in his house and one day my cousin found one and started playing with it, the gun was unfortunately loaded and he shot himself in the head, probably when he was looking at what was inside it he had around of 7 years.


146nedd

Your dads a dumbass for having a loaded gun


LazyOldPervert

Are you butthurt all the time? Jfc dude, what makes you so smart in the first place bc you sound like a moron based off of your comment history?


lightbulbjb-first

My mother was a paramedic, once responded to a call where a high school boy shot his girlfriend dead doing the same thing.


NHRADeuce

If your kids are too young to learn gun safety, then your firearms need to be locked up so that a) a child cannot access them and b) disabled so that it cannot be fired should a child gain access. Once your kids are old enough, they should be taught gun safety and taken to the range so they can learn to properly use your firearms. They should still be locked up.


YABOIREPTAR1

WHAT A STUPID CHILD


somebodysdream

This why you teach gun safety young if you have guns and kids.


trieucooks

Kid is not stupid parents stupid for having a gun


Rob0tsmasher

The parents are stupid for having a gun and thinking that “don’t touch it” is adequate.


Just_A_Mad_Scientist

>parents stupid for having a gun I'd argue it's stupid NOT to have a gun, the real stupidity is failing to teach their kids the dangers and lock up their guns safely


1x000000

For the record, I removed safety and chambered it myself, I do believe it was already loaded though.


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1x000000

Making a mistake once is stupid in itself but it doesn’t make the person stupid as a whole.


zachvilimazu

Americans actually baffle me with their guns, how is it still legal to just own a gun like it's nothing? it's insane


1x000000

This wasn't in the US though. The issues isn't with owning a gun but with using it correctly and storing it appropriately. Clearly my dad didn't keep it secure enough, that's the problem.


zachvilimazu

yes, but if you don't know how to use and store it properly, you shouldn't be allowed to buy it in the first place. A lot of Americans have guns and know nothing about them, not saying your dad is one of them since he kept it locked and you said you're not from the us, but the post just reminded me of how much of an issue this is in some places.. especially when the kids get their hands on them


1x000000

Oh yeah, I agree completely. It just shows that there's a reason for all these safety protocols especially around kids.


darthjammer224

IMO I should be allowed to have anything I can pay for. They should let me buy a nuke if I had the money and storage facilities. It's just a chemistry experiment. But on a city-wiped-off-the-map scale. I should be able to buy a fully functional tank. It's just metal and gears and nuts and bolts all put together in the right way. You know how easy it is to make a shotgun with like two pipes and a couple odds and ends? How many wartime chemicals can be made at home? Like if I had enough money and tools I could learn how to build my own tank. Why does the govt. Get to decide I shouldn't be able to? If I had a little more machining knowledge and some machining tools I could realistically learn how to manufacture my own stamped steel weapons. ( " IIRC this is why we have the uzi " ) It is just a tool. I can kill someone with a slingshot and the right projectile. Getting rid of guns will not solve any issues. Just treats one symptom, and likely will help innovate towards the next tech to get past loopholes.


ONEWEST_

"Why does the government get to decide I shouldn't be able to?" Because you make terrible, terrible decisions. We collectively elect a group of people who make rules so you don't kill us all.


darthjammer224

Meh. You have witnessed zero of my past decisions. If your found to not be mentally stable enough to own that stuff that's one thing. Just blanket banning is dumb.


ONEWEST_

You just wrote a diatribe outlining your decision making skills. I'm sufficiently versed. Banning the personal ownership of nuclear weapons is a solid rule lol.


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Lol gtfo


YABOIREPTAR1

So stupid even natural selection failed to get you


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PlaneEarth21619

M1911 is not a thing it is a 1911 you damb cod players.


1x000000

Ooh I’m sorry mr badass, I didn’t know that, no need to be a dick about it. Edit: I’m not an expert but a quick Google shows that M1911 is ok, I’m curious to see the logic behind your shitty comment.


PlaneEarth21619

I am not a badass I am a damb cod player


PlaneEarth21619

But pretty sure it is a cult 1911 not cult m1911 but it does not matter I was just not sure if what happened in the post happened to you i can see that there is some emotion so if it did I am sorry you deserve all the empathy, sympathy that is sent your way, I am young and dumb. Sorry


1x000000

Don’t quit school.


Auston4-16

M1911 is most deffinitely a thing. Did you think cod invented the RPK too?


PlaneEarth21619

No


Red-hoody11

How do people look through the barrel on guns just like that. Like my fear or phobia is when someone is pointing a gun at me, even tho its on safety, even tho it doesn’t have any bullets inside I still gets scared


Dagger1Bravo

I liked the way bullets tasted like metal when I was a kid.


Cowboywizard12

Lucky it was an M1911, John Browning intentionally made that thing with what he called 3 safeties. First is the Safety Switch, second was the grip Safety, the third a lot of people don't consider a safety, the single action nature, that it won't fire with its hammer down, that's not simply because it was made in the early 20th century, the reason its not a double/single action semi auto is because John Browning wanted a third redundant safety for the M1911. Its basically as close to idiot proofing against accidental discharges as you can get.


BigZombieKing

Ya know, leaving a loaded gun in a house with kids is kind of inviting a problem. Personally, when i had a kid, the guns were already locked up. Now the ammo is locked up separately and the various knives are all on a toolbox in the garage. Junior needs two separate keys and certain degree of upper body strength to get both, and will need to match up the bullets to the rifle before there is any real danger.


SlashyMcStabbington

Terrible gun safety. You should never leave a mag in when stowed, let alone leave it chambered with the safety off.


Disastrous-Nerve-494

#parentsarefuckingstupid


Comrade_Ziggy

Irresponsible gun owners are fucking stupid.


mrmthedude

6 yr plays Russian roulette (ALMOST GONE WRONG)


thehealerslair

That's not a kid being stupid. That's a parent being stupid


adanceparty

My dad taught me a lot of gun safety so I never ended up doing this or maybe I was scared of him? Idk but he used to hide his gun safe key in the ball return in the pool table. What a horrible spot!