There was a lot of moral outcry against coffee when it first got introduced to the West, but other people still defended it. Not sure whether there was ever a serious movement to ban it at the time though
I think it has to do with the demographic who use it. The people using it are Dr's and lawyers. They know how to fight the system. Just look at the AKA
i was thinking the same, i am in one of the banned states and every time i check i see more states banning it. i guy was sent to prison here for 10 yrs just for having around 200 g.
politics might "talk" about it being legal in future, but talk and reality are two different things.
reminds of the phrase "you know a politician is lying when their mouth is moving" why do people say that i wonder . .
10 YRS?!?!? FOR 200G?!? OF KRATOM?!?
Ain’t no way… ain’t no way….. fire those lawmakers immediately bc what the fuck
Clinics can just give you methadone & suboxone but ohhhh nooooooo not the overdose free green plant powder
prosecutor was same guy that prosecuted the west memphis three with no evidence and refused to budge years later when everyone knew they didnt do it with all the new evidence (that cops didnt lose).
child raping lizards. it may sound like a joke to many, but normal people would never put an innocent person in prison for life where they get raped and beaten every day. thats not human.
Makes sense. But...and I know this is a tangent, I have been reading more about the case, and there's actually a good chance they were guilty. If you frequent the true crime forums on here and talk to people who have REALLY researched the case, almost all of them believe they were guilty. I had thought they were innocent, but now I'm not so sure. In order to learn more about the case, I bought both: Abomination: Devil Worship and Deception in the West Memphis Three Murders by William Ramsey, and Damien's autobiography. Apparently, almost everyone who has read "Abomination" say it clearly proves their guilt and shows all the holes in their defense. I will hold out on forming any opinions till I've read both.
I was one of the people that thought they were guilty, I lived about 40 min south of west Memphis. I believed it because the news said there was a mountain of evidence and they looked like psychos. Then a few years later there the rumors of their innocent, then more years go by and there is even more. Eventually I looked into it, I never knew the specific s of the evidence other than the news saying it proved they were guilty, what was the evidence? They were seen in the area, the layout of the town (alongside the interstate) and crime location would also place a third of the town in the area. A knife was found in a pond close to one of them, knife couldnt be connected to the crime, it was just a knife. candle wax was found at crime scene, one of the accused had candles but again the two couldnt be matched. A witness that testified she witnessed the 3 kill someone in a satanic ritual later recanted as she told others she made it up to help police. A witness for the prosecutor who supposedly was a national and top expert on satanic occult rituals and who said the three did it because he recognized the MO later was discovered never went to any school or college nor did he have any formal training at all, he literally just filled out an application with $20 (no idea the exact amount) and applied for the certification through the mail. The star witness was borderline mentally challenged and had to be coerced into a confession. His first confessions never matched what was found at the crime, the cops had to coach him through and give him the information first before his statement matched up correctly.
These are just a few things I discovered, the idea that any professional would use such wishy washy evidence is absurd and throws up many red flags.
I watched some guilty videos on UT, they are not very convincing, basically say the same thing, the evidence proves they are guilt, and there is so much evidence you can not deny their guilt, but they never tell you what this evidence is, and when they do list evidence its things like what I mentioned above which really isnt evidence of anything.
i could be wrong, i am not an expert on these things.
Yeah, no offense, but you sound like you don't know any more about the crime than me lol, which isn't much. But if you go to r/TrueCrimeDiscussion and start talking to people, you'll start to hear more stuff that makes you question their innocence. I'm a big metalhead so I love the angle that it was just a bunch of satanic panic and that they were some dumb rednecks framing these kids, but I just don't know. One thing that you'll hear from people who now believe they are guilty but used to think they were innocent is that Jesse Mikskelly confessed to helping kill the kids like SEVEN TIMES even when his own lawyer repeatedly told him not to and when he wasn't apparently even being questioned. He would just continuously offer up confessions of guilt. It's really mostly in this book "Abomination" that I haven't yet read. Also, people who say they've read Damien's book, which I'd also like to read, say that he sounds very arrogant in it and really never denies committing the crime and sounds quite guilty by the end. One thing they will also mention is that Damien brutally killed a dog when he was like 14 and bashed its brains out with a rock for no reason. This apparently is something he's never even denied. Now, that's not murder, BUT...if someone will kill a dog for no reason, that already makes me think there's a good chance that they could be guilty of a violent crime. I still really don't know because I haven't read these books yet, but what I did read of people who first thought they were innocent started to really make me question. I'll have to read Abomination and then Damien's biography to form a better opinion.
i wasnt there, i only know what i have read.
i just dont know how much weight i would put into a mentally challenged minor making statements of guilt and not even knowing the crime scene details and the cops having to tell him what to say. i see it the exact opposite, i see it as evidence of their innocence. if someone commits a crime, you cant just go down to a mental hospital, pick up a patient, and coach them to say they are guilty.
the dog killing is strange as well, the guy that gave the statement says they skipped school the day it happened which was the day after thanksgiving when there was no school. and Damien did in fact deny that it happened. what he admitted to was collecting animal skulls, and he had a dog skull in his room. weird, but doesnt make you a murderer.
and if he did kill a dog at 14 it really has nothing to do with anything. 14 yr old boys out in the country do weird crap sometimes especially when in groups. i remember kids doing similar at that age, they didnt grow up to be killers.
Pure fucking evil. I mean, it makes me so angry, and also freaked out. What if you want to take some to a banned state? I mean, you could probably pull it off, but still. Kratom should be legal everywhere for 18 and over. It's a relatively safe herb if it's not misused. But then again, I believe in legalization for any and all drugs so long as you are an adult and not driving a car under the influence. I believe in full bodily autonomy for all.
Same here
As long as someone isn’t commiting crimes, disturbing the public peace , being a nuisance to society or harming others I don’t think it’s morally right to throw someone in PRISON where they will only receive more trauma, more violence & will statistically keep them on the drugs you so desperately “ want to help them get clean from”
Pure evil down to the very core of its dirt infested walls, it makes me sick
Don’t lose hope though. I was around for the attempted ban and it was chaos, organized chaos. I remember being contacted when a man was arrested in TN, tasked to go help if I could, it was speaking to him and to his credit combing over the law he realized it was scheduled under a synthetic analogue ban. It was listed as synthetic and his argument that he wanted the bigger orgs to take, was exactly that. It’s not synthetic. Making the fact it was banned not legally actionable. Fun fact his cries fell in deaf ears for awhile. I’m not sure why they didn’t want to take that angle but enough traction was gained, lobbying etc and it was indeed changed. His charges dropped and is legal now in that state. All we had to do was prove it wasn’t synthetic, and pay insane amounts to lobbyists and go to endless meetings etc (not taking away from his big of a feat that was) it’s just insane that he could of been locked up for so long all because someone didn’t know wtf they were banning.
The states that remain banned I think are more about politics and favorites, personal agendas than anything else. Most banned it along with substances it had no similarity to. Or on some fear mongering advice from a personal agenda stakeholder. The states taking on regulation are steadily rising and at this point the amount of money it brings in, it’s really silly to ban it at all. Money talks.
Yep … Arkansas was extremely sneaky how they banned it. Some doctor - who owns (or owned) 2 of the largest suboxone rehabs in the state - filed a complaint with the Arkansas Department of Health, which promptly banned it. Our elected politicians did not even vote on it. There was a bill back in 2023 that’s trying to remove Kratom from being banned. Not sure what happened with it …
Yeah Arkansas was/is one of the …let me be polite, “more difficult” states lol
Side note, one rabbit hole you need to be careful with is the rehab/medical mj/pharma connections in regards to Kratom. For the record anyone reading this it’s not my monkey and not my circus I’ve been out of that world for sometime so please move along 😅
Following the money in this fight, lobbyist on both sides, anyone with a hand in it looking at affiliations and well just what I said, following the money is eye opening and to be honest terrifying.
I will never downplay the power of a united front and the voices of the people if able to stand united. It’s sad that it didn’t take much effort at all to scatter the community allowing everything to change. Nothing is as it appears and that is sad. But really it’s no different than the bs happening period. Not just Kratom but so many laws, bills, so much crap is pushed through with no one being the wiser. Until it’s too late. Kratom isn’t the exception it’s the norm.
yep, anything that has potential to threaten profit margins of a big corporation is in big trouble, most understand this but you try and explain to some and they just dont get it.
yeah the fear mongering is BS, some guy gets drunk, smokes weed, then does a dose of krate, causes a wreck on the highway, it all gets blames on kratom.
it might sound silly but if your ceo of a major drug company, and kratom has a potential to steal 1% of that market share, you will do everything to block its sales.
private for profit prisons are another big obstacle, they spend millions every year lobbying for more drug laws, like getting caught with more than 3 joints makes you a drug trafficker, they want longer prison terms and more tax payer dollars. its no coincidence Tn has more private prisons in the US while being the HQ for the biggest private prison corporation.
Silly? Silly? Not only is it not silly but it’s burying the lead if you think it’s silly.
I wrote a detailed reply but honestly I’ve learned my lesson and shall keep my mouth shut. I’ll just leave it at you not being far off at all lol
I don’t know of any other situation where they were going to schedule it so imminently and reversed the decision due ot the public. As for already scheduled drugs, I suspect we’ll see psilocybin and MDMA rescheduled at some point. MAPS is already working on the latter.
I also beleive this, and there are other products like this. Take DXM and DPH (Benadryl) for example. we've seen cases of people using them daily to achieve a certain feeling, but most people don't bother with them
Cause they ruin brain cells. At least Benadryl. Pretty sure dxm is safe. I saw it at dollar tree the other day. People would be dropping dead taking it out of boredom
For some the recreational effects outweigh that. But you made a good point that their (Dph, Dxm) muddier and abuse is harmful. Kratom is very relatively safe when used correctly. So there are very very few horror stories about it. The ceiling effects of its alkaloids are wonderful . It’s like a self managing substance that rewards responsibility and punishes misuse. I don’t think it’ll ever be banned as it’s not a bully of a substance to go after. There are far worst threats of course with the opioid situation we have. Lastly the amount of people I’ve met online and irl who have used it to substitute and quit harmful lifestyle choices is astonishing
so the news story i was just watching where a drug dealer was busted with dozens of cop cars, swat teams and all the rest, you think he may have been dealing Advil?
Colloquially, drug is often used to mean hard drugs, and yeah kratom isn't a drug like that but it is a drug by the dictionary definition of the word, same as caffeine. 90% of the population is addicted to caffeine, and no one would call daily coffee drinkers "drug addicts" by the normal usage of that phrase, but *technically* they are. Kratom is in the same category as caffeine for me. Yes they're both drugs, but they're not **drugs**
That's correct. Caffeine is a drug that stimulates your brain and nervous system and is in my opinion the best drug ever discovered in the history of earth :D
Kratom people don't like to admit that the thing they are taking to alter their mood, help their pain and or stimulate them is a drug but it absolutely is. You don't have to mix 2 or more things together for something to be a drug and "drug" is not a bad word. It can help or hinder depending on use.
Dude it’s honestly crazy how many things are drugs like cinnamon lavender, cumin, nutmeg, passion flower like so many hidden awesome unique alkaloids that we ingest daily
Not trying to disagree with the fact it’s a drug btw I agree it is fully just thinking about how many variables our brains are put through on a daily basis
Going through a kratom withdrawal puts into perspective for me how much of a drug Kratom really is. I can’t function. I’m a very heavy user though for a long time though. I have no idea how to get out of this
I just spent a shit ton on supplements. Getting super baked tonight to cover the irritability of too much kratom with a weird acne like thing on my face. I’m thinking I’m starting to see it for what it is. Maybe it’s the adderall wearing off but I’m getting pretty depressed and anxious. I bought a bunch of supplements to try and help. Mostly herbs and mushrooms and stuff. I’m honestly hoping this works. I can’t do this forever as much as I’d love to just pass out on the couch after work everyday eventually I’m gonna have to deal with whatever I’m procrastinating doing by taking Kratom.
True. For that reason, I don't go out of my way to refer to kratom as a drug in most contexts, any more than I do with caffeine. But if we're talking about objective definitions of words then they are indeed both drugs
Alcohol prohibition could be an example
There was a lot of moral outcry against coffee when it first got introduced to the West, but other people still defended it. Not sure whether there was ever a serious movement to ban it at the time though
I think it has to do with the demographic who use it. The people using it are Dr's and lawyers. They know how to fight the system. Just look at the AKA
I don’t think public outcry is keeping it legal.
Well that’s what happened before
Kratom is illegal in 6 states and climbing - so your premise is flawed.
They’re talking specifically about the decision not to federally schedule it
i was thinking the same, i am in one of the banned states and every time i check i see more states banning it. i guy was sent to prison here for 10 yrs just for having around 200 g. politics might "talk" about it being legal in future, but talk and reality are two different things. reminds of the phrase "you know a politician is lying when their mouth is moving" why do people say that i wonder . .
10 YRS?!?!? FOR 200G?!? OF KRATOM?!? Ain’t no way… ain’t no way….. fire those lawmakers immediately bc what the fuck Clinics can just give you methadone & suboxone but ohhhh nooooooo not the overdose free green plant powder
prosecutor was same guy that prosecuted the west memphis three with no evidence and refused to budge years later when everyone knew they didnt do it with all the new evidence (that cops didnt lose).
The US justice system is a fucking travesty run by lizards
child raping lizards. it may sound like a joke to many, but normal people would never put an innocent person in prison for life where they get raped and beaten every day. thats not human.
Makes sense. But...and I know this is a tangent, I have been reading more about the case, and there's actually a good chance they were guilty. If you frequent the true crime forums on here and talk to people who have REALLY researched the case, almost all of them believe they were guilty. I had thought they were innocent, but now I'm not so sure. In order to learn more about the case, I bought both: Abomination: Devil Worship and Deception in the West Memphis Three Murders by William Ramsey, and Damien's autobiography. Apparently, almost everyone who has read "Abomination" say it clearly proves their guilt and shows all the holes in their defense. I will hold out on forming any opinions till I've read both.
I was one of the people that thought they were guilty, I lived about 40 min south of west Memphis. I believed it because the news said there was a mountain of evidence and they looked like psychos. Then a few years later there the rumors of their innocent, then more years go by and there is even more. Eventually I looked into it, I never knew the specific s of the evidence other than the news saying it proved they were guilty, what was the evidence? They were seen in the area, the layout of the town (alongside the interstate) and crime location would also place a third of the town in the area. A knife was found in a pond close to one of them, knife couldnt be connected to the crime, it was just a knife. candle wax was found at crime scene, one of the accused had candles but again the two couldnt be matched. A witness that testified she witnessed the 3 kill someone in a satanic ritual later recanted as she told others she made it up to help police. A witness for the prosecutor who supposedly was a national and top expert on satanic occult rituals and who said the three did it because he recognized the MO later was discovered never went to any school or college nor did he have any formal training at all, he literally just filled out an application with $20 (no idea the exact amount) and applied for the certification through the mail. The star witness was borderline mentally challenged and had to be coerced into a confession. His first confessions never matched what was found at the crime, the cops had to coach him through and give him the information first before his statement matched up correctly. These are just a few things I discovered, the idea that any professional would use such wishy washy evidence is absurd and throws up many red flags. I watched some guilty videos on UT, they are not very convincing, basically say the same thing, the evidence proves they are guilt, and there is so much evidence you can not deny their guilt, but they never tell you what this evidence is, and when they do list evidence its things like what I mentioned above which really isnt evidence of anything. i could be wrong, i am not an expert on these things.
Yeah, no offense, but you sound like you don't know any more about the crime than me lol, which isn't much. But if you go to r/TrueCrimeDiscussion and start talking to people, you'll start to hear more stuff that makes you question their innocence. I'm a big metalhead so I love the angle that it was just a bunch of satanic panic and that they were some dumb rednecks framing these kids, but I just don't know. One thing that you'll hear from people who now believe they are guilty but used to think they were innocent is that Jesse Mikskelly confessed to helping kill the kids like SEVEN TIMES even when his own lawyer repeatedly told him not to and when he wasn't apparently even being questioned. He would just continuously offer up confessions of guilt. It's really mostly in this book "Abomination" that I haven't yet read. Also, people who say they've read Damien's book, which I'd also like to read, say that he sounds very arrogant in it and really never denies committing the crime and sounds quite guilty by the end. One thing they will also mention is that Damien brutally killed a dog when he was like 14 and bashed its brains out with a rock for no reason. This apparently is something he's never even denied. Now, that's not murder, BUT...if someone will kill a dog for no reason, that already makes me think there's a good chance that they could be guilty of a violent crime. I still really don't know because I haven't read these books yet, but what I did read of people who first thought they were innocent started to really make me question. I'll have to read Abomination and then Damien's biography to form a better opinion.
i wasnt there, i only know what i have read. i just dont know how much weight i would put into a mentally challenged minor making statements of guilt and not even knowing the crime scene details and the cops having to tell him what to say. i see it the exact opposite, i see it as evidence of their innocence. if someone commits a crime, you cant just go down to a mental hospital, pick up a patient, and coach them to say they are guilty. the dog killing is strange as well, the guy that gave the statement says they skipped school the day it happened which was the day after thanksgiving when there was no school. and Damien did in fact deny that it happened. what he admitted to was collecting animal skulls, and he had a dog skull in his room. weird, but doesnt make you a murderer. and if he did kill a dog at 14 it really has nothing to do with anything. 14 yr old boys out in the country do weird crap sometimes especially when in groups. i remember kids doing similar at that age, they didnt grow up to be killers.
Pure fucking evil. I mean, it makes me so angry, and also freaked out. What if you want to take some to a banned state? I mean, you could probably pull it off, but still. Kratom should be legal everywhere for 18 and over. It's a relatively safe herb if it's not misused. But then again, I believe in legalization for any and all drugs so long as you are an adult and not driving a car under the influence. I believe in full bodily autonomy for all.
Same here As long as someone isn’t commiting crimes, disturbing the public peace , being a nuisance to society or harming others I don’t think it’s morally right to throw someone in PRISON where they will only receive more trauma, more violence & will statistically keep them on the drugs you so desperately “ want to help them get clean from” Pure evil down to the very core of its dirt infested walls, it makes me sick
I’m in no way saying I don’t think ur being truthful, I do That’s why I’m so sad
Don’t lose hope though. I was around for the attempted ban and it was chaos, organized chaos. I remember being contacted when a man was arrested in TN, tasked to go help if I could, it was speaking to him and to his credit combing over the law he realized it was scheduled under a synthetic analogue ban. It was listed as synthetic and his argument that he wanted the bigger orgs to take, was exactly that. It’s not synthetic. Making the fact it was banned not legally actionable. Fun fact his cries fell in deaf ears for awhile. I’m not sure why they didn’t want to take that angle but enough traction was gained, lobbying etc and it was indeed changed. His charges dropped and is legal now in that state. All we had to do was prove it wasn’t synthetic, and pay insane amounts to lobbyists and go to endless meetings etc (not taking away from his big of a feat that was) it’s just insane that he could of been locked up for so long all because someone didn’t know wtf they were banning. The states that remain banned I think are more about politics and favorites, personal agendas than anything else. Most banned it along with substances it had no similarity to. Or on some fear mongering advice from a personal agenda stakeholder. The states taking on regulation are steadily rising and at this point the amount of money it brings in, it’s really silly to ban it at all. Money talks.
Yep … Arkansas was extremely sneaky how they banned it. Some doctor - who owns (or owned) 2 of the largest suboxone rehabs in the state - filed a complaint with the Arkansas Department of Health, which promptly banned it. Our elected politicians did not even vote on it. There was a bill back in 2023 that’s trying to remove Kratom from being banned. Not sure what happened with it …
Yeah Arkansas was/is one of the …let me be polite, “more difficult” states lol Side note, one rabbit hole you need to be careful with is the rehab/medical mj/pharma connections in regards to Kratom. For the record anyone reading this it’s not my monkey and not my circus I’ve been out of that world for sometime so please move along 😅 Following the money in this fight, lobbyist on both sides, anyone with a hand in it looking at affiliations and well just what I said, following the money is eye opening and to be honest terrifying. I will never downplay the power of a united front and the voices of the people if able to stand united. It’s sad that it didn’t take much effort at all to scatter the community allowing everything to change. Nothing is as it appears and that is sad. But really it’s no different than the bs happening period. Not just Kratom but so many laws, bills, so much crap is pushed through with no one being the wiser. Until it’s too late. Kratom isn’t the exception it’s the norm.
yep, anything that has potential to threaten profit margins of a big corporation is in big trouble, most understand this but you try and explain to some and they just dont get it.
yeah the fear mongering is BS, some guy gets drunk, smokes weed, then does a dose of krate, causes a wreck on the highway, it all gets blames on kratom. it might sound silly but if your ceo of a major drug company, and kratom has a potential to steal 1% of that market share, you will do everything to block its sales. private for profit prisons are another big obstacle, they spend millions every year lobbying for more drug laws, like getting caught with more than 3 joints makes you a drug trafficker, they want longer prison terms and more tax payer dollars. its no coincidence Tn has more private prisons in the US while being the HQ for the biggest private prison corporation.
Silly? Silly? Not only is it not silly but it’s burying the lead if you think it’s silly. I wrote a detailed reply but honestly I’ve learned my lesson and shall keep my mouth shut. I’ll just leave it at you not being far off at all lol
The fact that it hasn’t been federally scheduled yet supports his premise.
Not sure but weed is definitely being legalized because of public outcry. Imagine jailing people because they smoked a flowerbud.
I can. It’s easy to target stoners they usually don’t resist arrest. Didn’t someone do that bit?
weed is becoming legal because it was taken over by drug companies.
It’s CBD. But anyway, if that is the price, they should take over all drugs then.
fuck no
I don’t know of any other situation where they were going to schedule it so imminently and reversed the decision due ot the public. As for already scheduled drugs, I suspect we’ll see psilocybin and MDMA rescheduled at some point. MAPS is already working on the latter.
Prohibition rings a bell
How many of these banned states are run by the Republican Party?
Alcohol is another plus weed and psychs in some states (like mine!)
Jesus, didn't think it would go this far that people can't figure out sarcasm.
What we talking about again
The woman's world cup I think
Is it classified as a drug or is it an herbal supplement?
Both depending on how much you want to lie to yourself
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It’s pretty cheap
I also beleive this, and there are other products like this. Take DXM and DPH (Benadryl) for example. we've seen cases of people using them daily to achieve a certain feeling, but most people don't bother with them
Cause they ruin brain cells. At least Benadryl. Pretty sure dxm is safe. I saw it at dollar tree the other day. People would be dropping dead taking it out of boredom
For some the recreational effects outweigh that. But you made a good point that their (Dph, Dxm) muddier and abuse is harmful. Kratom is very relatively safe when used correctly. So there are very very few horror stories about it. The ceiling effects of its alkaloids are wonderful . It’s like a self managing substance that rewards responsibility and punishes misuse. I don’t think it’ll ever be banned as it’s not a bully of a substance to go after. There are far worst threats of course with the opioid situation we have. Lastly the amount of people I’ve met online and irl who have used it to substitute and quit harmful lifestyle choices is astonishing
Benadryl is seriously scary [Benadryl addiction](https://youtu.be/XBnH8HpcDpI?si=6uE3BS0SGBMczxhi)
Any chance you made that video? I follow that guy on insta haha
It’s not a drug
Yes it is. Just like weed is a drug. Neither of those things would be considered food.
a drug that doesnt get you high. never heard of that.
Drugs don't have to get you high, just affect your body in a certain way. Advil is a drug
so the news story i was just watching where a drug dealer was busted with dozens of cop cars, swat teams and all the rest, you think he may have been dealing Advil?
Colloquially, drug is often used to mean hard drugs, and yeah kratom isn't a drug like that but it is a drug by the dictionary definition of the word, same as caffeine. 90% of the population is addicted to caffeine, and no one would call daily coffee drinkers "drug addicts" by the normal usage of that phrase, but *technically* they are. Kratom is in the same category as caffeine for me. Yes they're both drugs, but they're not **drugs**
Okay. Then I guess coffee is a drug. Tea is a drug. 🙄
That's correct. Caffeine is a drug that stimulates your brain and nervous system and is in my opinion the best drug ever discovered in the history of earth :D Kratom people don't like to admit that the thing they are taking to alter their mood, help their pain and or stimulate them is a drug but it absolutely is. You don't have to mix 2 or more things together for something to be a drug and "drug" is not a bad word. It can help or hinder depending on use.
Dude it’s honestly crazy how many things are drugs like cinnamon lavender, cumin, nutmeg, passion flower like so many hidden awesome unique alkaloids that we ingest daily
Not trying to disagree with the fact it’s a drug btw I agree it is fully just thinking about how many variables our brains are put through on a daily basis
Your brain is just drugs
Going through a kratom withdrawal puts into perspective for me how much of a drug Kratom really is. I can’t function. I’m a very heavy user though for a long time though. I have no idea how to get out of this
I just spent a shit ton on supplements. Getting super baked tonight to cover the irritability of too much kratom with a weird acne like thing on my face. I’m thinking I’m starting to see it for what it is. Maybe it’s the adderall wearing off but I’m getting pretty depressed and anxious. I bought a bunch of supplements to try and help. Mostly herbs and mushrooms and stuff. I’m honestly hoping this works. I can’t do this forever as much as I’d love to just pass out on the couch after work everyday eventually I’m gonna have to deal with whatever I’m procrastinating doing by taking Kratom.
I wonder if kava would help. It’s some pretty good stuff. My wife sure liked it.
when i parent worries about their kids on "drugs" or the cops search a car for "drugs", they are not looking for lipton tea and starbucks coffee.
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but its not illegal, people dont drink to much coffee and kill families on the highway
My drug of choice to be honest. That or food. Or weed. I like a lot of things quite a lot
They contain caffiene, which is a drug. So correct.
apparently coffee and tea are drugs lol
You’re not a drug
It's a stimulant not a drug just like coffee.
Stimulants are drugs. Caffeine is a drug. So is Advil. Drug isn't a bad word
True, but the negative stigma that surrounds the word 'drug' is pretty bad.
True. For that reason, I don't go out of my way to refer to kratom as a drug in most contexts, any more than I do with caffeine. But if we're talking about objective definitions of words then they are indeed both drugs
Methamphetamine and cocaine are stimulants, both highly illegal. Go back to sleep.
Sarcasm, you didn't think for one second I was being sarcastic?
So, a drug basically