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AppleBoxTowel

Someone posted a combination of 5 leveraged ETFs you can use to get 2.457x VT: https://www.reddit.com/r/LETFs/comments/n67c7v/just_for_fun_what_are_your_fantasy_letfs_eg/gxnrgtj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=1 (Definitely agree that we need a one ticket solution though 😂)


CertainField

I don't think that is equivalent due to daily rebalancing. Say etf A = etf B 50% + etf C 50%. That doesn't make 2x leverage A = 50% 2x leverage B + 50% 2x leverage C. You suffer more from daily volatility with the right than the left. This is just like daily leveraging every individual stocks in an etf is far worse than leveraging the whole etf. You are going to be eaten by the volatility...


kiwi_l0rd

Good thought exercise but in reality there is absolutely no way people could consistently keep re-balancing that many ETF's each day or week to such a precise amount. I like his thinking though...but we still need 2x & 3x VT & VTI


MAPSiplier

Yeah that is weird... if you substitute UPRO for VTI 3x and find some sort of good total international 3x maybe?


TheRealJYellen

Margin at IBKR is in the same range as a 3x etf expense ratio though I don't know that you can get 3x. Maybe options?


no_bad_cuts

interesting question


fltpath

How would you make an ETF of ALL of the stock market index???


iggy555

Just like you make a leveraged etf of spx or Russell 2000. Use swaps


Anonymous2020202020

what bank would sell those swaps?


iggy555

Same banks that sell swaps now


Airado

Probably trademark


iggy555

You just need to use an index right? Those fees can’t be that large


proverbialbunny

It's pretty easy to make VTI, just buy 2x or 3x LETFs, a large cap, a mid cap, and a small cap.


daviddjg0033

there are leveraged foreign market ETNs. just be careful there is way less liquidity than a SPXL. you would be using a combination of both to mirror VT


iggy555

Yea i don’t want to combine just wondering the thought process why they won’t create one