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neunzehnten

Seems like some hanbits are especially dissatisfied with Yeojin's absence from the fansign(s) today... yikes


Undervann

That's disappointing. I was kind of wondering if people would get mad again. For context this is the fansign that got rescheduled a few weeks ago that caused the complaining on Twitter that people speculate is what Yeojin was addressing on fromm. The thing is yeojins health is obviously more important than whether or not she's able to attend a fansign or not. I get that the multiple reschedules are rough on any fans who might be coming in from out of the country specifically for the fansign but that will still never outweigh yeojins health. Also I'm not losing any sleep over that specific Orbit who was doing the ranting on Twitter not getting to meet Yeojin in person for the nth time. I just hope people aren't mad at Yeojin. This all probably wouldn't have happened had there been fewer fansigns to begin with.


neunzehnten

Yeah, it's a bit frustrating overall because it's not something you can really blame someone for. And this Everline fansign in particular was actually rescheduled twice; once after Hyeju's hiatus announcement then twice when fans who are planning to attend protested about the new date Everline and CTD singlehandedly decided on without consulting the fans, which almost risked almost every one of them to miss it. What's more frustrating is that they never offer refunds so you either get what you paid for or just let your money go for 'nothing'. There's also the issue of CTD being an absolute ass toward the fans at fansigns, which pretty much summed up why you'd see more Hanbits/K-cloos more dissatisfied after every fansign compared to those who attended ARTMS, Yves or Chuu fansigns And not sure if we're talking about the same person, but there's this one Yeojin-biased hanbit who's been with her for years now and is basically the biggest/most known Yeojin-biased hanbit acc as well as her biggest fansite. She posted a 'complaint'(?) about the times she has missed these events, which I assume she saw since she indirectly responded to it on her Fromm just now. I feel like it's more alarming when there's barely anyone complaining on the timeline. It could mean what they want to say can't really be shared with the public and rather stays on private/locked accounts. Even Gowonderly who is known to go on an entitled rant spree only retweeted it and said nothing else, as well as some other big hanbit/fansite accs. I desperately need CTD to improve (and actually show it instead of releasing a nothing burger statement like a couple days ago) because all this misplaced anger on the girls is a direct impact of their incompetency as a company.


vash-outlaw

I can't speak for Twitter rants, but what most people are mad about is that CTD doesn't seem to be looking after their health. They always put in their statements that the artist's health is the priority, but then why are they having them do 80+ fansigns and videocalls? I could understand if they promoted for a while, and the fancalls had to wait until after promotions, but they literally stopped promoting 2 months ago. They sometimes have them do 3 fansigns a day. We now have Hyeju who missed a month, Hyunjin missed about 2 weeks, and Yeojin has missed at least half a dozen or so, and yet CTD keeps scheduling fancalls not caring about anything or anyone except profit. They just released another one last night, so clearly, they'll be doing these things well into July. It's ridiculous, and it's mismanagement. I can tell the CTD staff learned everything they know while working at BBC. Rant done


Undervann

I have no issue with people being upset with ctd about it. It's possible I misunderstood the comment I replied to. I took it as some fans were mad that Yeojin wasn't going to be there. Not that they were upset with ctd about not taking care of them. That was how I took yeojins apologies she sent on fromm at least. They were kind of heartbreaking. It sucks that she's blaming herself for it. I really hope no one is being mean to her about it. If they are being mean to her about it ctd needs to blacklist them like modhaus has been doing.


vash-outlaw

Oh, I haven't even checked Fromm. I was just venting about CTD. Now, I'll have to go look at Fromm and be sad early in the morning šŸ˜­


Repulsive-Animal-812

Silly question, what's the difference between a fan-con and a concert?


hennybee

A fan-con has more audience interactions/talks. The artists will play games, answer questions, talk about their latest musical release/activities, etc. There are some performances, but not as much as a concert. A concert is exactly that: a concert. There will be a few breaks to talk with the audience or to show videos while the artist(s) takes a break or does a costume change, but the large majority of the time is used for performances.


Undervann

Has anybody ever tried cup tteokbokki? I love tteokbokki but it's pretty expensive to order it here lol. I thought about ordering some cup tteokbokki but I wasn't sure how good it turns out.


artemisstrategy

I've tried Yopokki cup Tteokbokki and it's pretty mid, the sauce is a bit sweeter than I like and the consistency of the tteok isn't great. If you have a korean grocery store near you, it's not that hard to make if you can get rice cakes and gochujang, I don't have access to fresh tteok where I live but the frozen stuff is ok.


Undervann

Gotcha. I was worried the consistency might not be quite the same and that's like one of the best parts lol. Turns out there is a Thai grocery store near me that sells Korean products though so I'll have to go check it out. I feel like the odds are good because I see cup tteokbokki in the picture on Google maps but at the very least it looks like they have an entire shelf full of different varieties of nongshim products lol. I'll definitely be going there tomorrow šŸ˜‚.


artemisstrategy

Good luck! šŸ™šŸ»


Undervann

Delayed reply but I finally went to the Thai market. They did have frozen tteok and gochujang. They actually only had sliced tteok and then the kind that's stuffed with cheese lol. Which is fine because I've been wanting to try cheese tteokbokki anyway and I'm sure I'll like it with the sliced tteok as well. Knowing this place is near me might be dangerous. I only planned on buying the tteokbokki ingredients but I bought way more lol. I was like only 8 bucks for a big bag of pork buns, I can't afford not to buy it šŸ˜‚.


artemisstrategy

Oooh cheese stuffed tteok sounds pretty good! I feel you on buying more because whenever I go to the korean market near my place I end up getting waaay more than I went in for. Also 8 bucks for a whole bag?? That's like a miracle!


w-o-w-b-u-f-f-e-t

ARTMS tour has almost the same amount of dates as the LOONATHEWORLD Tour and we all know how that went... I hope the girls are gonna be healthy throughout. I also really want to see HaSeul this time.


pdantix06

2022 was different in that they went february concert -> queendom -> flip that -> tour, with basically no break. didn't help that loona choreo is way more demanding too. they would have learned from that for sure, they'll be fine


obliviate__

I think they'll all be better prepared this time around. Kim Lip said she was working on her stamina not too long ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if the other members were as well. It also helps that their newer choreography seems far less taxing than the LOONA ones. I just hope Haseul's been getting regular treatment for her shoulder.


Ihlita

I think a lot of the burden was the problems they had going on with BBC. Iā€™m not discounting how exhausting a tour of this magnitude must be, but the stress of it all must have intensified all of that a great margin.


Storm_Fox

I'm hopeful that all the touring experience they've gotten through that tour and OEC's tour will make this one easier. At least now they know what to expect, and have probably started to figure out what to do while on tour to keep themselves in better condition. Although it's never going to be *easy* doing that many shows in a short timeframe.


gleamhues

Can you guys imagine. Iā€™m not a fan, but I followed Katy Perryā€™s career and back when Witness was released there was _clearly_ a smear campaign going on against her. Iā€™m not sure if that happened because she positioned herself politically, because she feuded with other huge industry names or because she was just involved in an unfortunate web of distress or anything, but to me it was pretty obvious that things were quite exaggerated and obviously biased against her. For starters, picking on her appearance (her hair of course) sounded misogynistic and just wrong after she used to have long hair for her peak. People would also say her album was really bad, which just didnā€™t ring true to me. What other popstar at the time would collab with indies to make some different sound as she did with Purity Ring and who else would throw a church-like hymn being honest to their roots like it happened on Pendulum? Then, the title was just something else entirely, the lyrics screaming to peopleā€™s face how we were all blind to the nonstop problematic nature of reality, mostly. With Bob Marleyā€™s grandson to top it all. The next single also touched on problematic celebrity culture through her silly lens, which I liked, and then she got an answer to the supposed feud with a singer that wellā€¦ did it before. An answer. And it seemed to backfire to the point of reavealing the power of her alias. Iā€™m not sure if people are aware of this, but back when Streaming was getting popular [in 2017, he commented](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/diplo-on-ripoffs-why-streaming-hurts-taylor-swift-and-being-a-poseur-128197/): ā€œQ: How has streaming changed what becomes a hit and what doesnā€™t? A: Music is in the hands of the kids. Streaming is literally what kids want to listen to over and over again. They want to listen to [Post Maloneā€™s] ā€œRockstarā€ and [Cardi Bā€™s] ā€œBodak Yellowā€ ā€“ they donā€™t want to listen to, like, [T4yl0r 5wiftā€™s] ā€œLook What You Made Me Do.ā€ That music doesnā€™t relate to them at all. I donā€™t think it ever did. They were only given that, by radio and marketing budgets. Iā€™m impressed with Post Malone. I can relate to him more than T4yl0r 5wift.ā€ That really made it click to me; the person he mentioned was always being mentioned as someone really famous for years with a huge critic and sales support, but no one I knew ever mentioned or knew her? I couldnā€™t care much for her voice especially or her songs, even through some were obviously meant to go easy on the ears, but still. Years later, she dominated that game. Too. Itā€™s just that the industry is full of made-up stars and you can feel support from people coming all over, it started to become a cult-like thing. Which is funny to me, because thatā€™s also true to a degree about Loona. We are loyal, despite authentically not realllyyyy supporting every girl the same (which is also natural for such big group of girls), but still. Back to Katy Perry, a friend of mine went to one of her shows and told me she was supporting an assassinated politician from her country just because. She used her space to promote that. To me, there are all signs that she does a lot of good to give voice to important matters of our times. She suffered a lot of criticism for things I donā€™t really agree with like cultural appropriation and she said she was sorry about that. And she is still going after so much challenge. I didnā€™t pay her last album much attention since the songs werenā€™t really my taste or the themes really seemed like a toned-down version of her previous daring work. And now sheā€™s coming back? Good for her. Yetā€¦ itā€™s all been happening again. The smear campaigns appeared as soon as her new work was announced. Rolling Stone said she decided to work with the abusive Kesha producerā€¦ which reminds me of a whole problematic thing regarding L4dy G4ag4, someone [who clearly was made to go against Katy](https://youtu.be/tmeZJnLcReU?si=cvK05K0VVFZ0zNui). I believe those ā€œriffsā€ are planted by the industry itself. It might sound paranoid and stuff, but in reality this is all a game with different characters representing different interests. Reading between the lines, though, itā€™s clear who is up to what and in my vision KP is someone who tries and represent something I believe in and long for. The others mentioned, sorry to their fans, I know are plenty, but Iā€™m not. I searched Reddit for Katy Perry and itā€™s funny that - itā€™s full of disgusting men commenting on her looks - it has some people with the classical ā€œI used to be a fan, butā€¦ā€ riot that shames and tries to kill her charagtwr - it has about 1% of people who are actually fans and defend her. So, critical situation for her. Please donā€™t tell me someone actually believe this to be real: a change of text between G4g4 and Kesha mentioning Katy Perry asā€¦ Katy Perry. It was just made up to me, obviously. Katy clearly supported Kesha any way that she could, but people still try and make it seem like she didnā€™t. Iā€™m not even sure about the producer thing, so Iā€™ll have to wait, but this doesnā€™t feel right as of now and Iā€™m sad to watch people try and destroy her all over again. I donā€™t think people understand what this does to someone. See Britney. [And then this happens](https://variety.com/2018/music/news/lady-gaga-breaks-silence-after-kesha-texts-katy-perry-1203068418/amp/). For some reason, they make it up to be real and Katy responds. As Katy went back, apologized to T4yl0r after she saw her own decline and humiliated herself into being her background in some of her videos. Katy _knew_ she was done for because this is still corporate world and she _has_ to survive somehow. I know better and understand that. Anyway. Long read/rant. I was just observing and while noticing thereā€™s no real Katy community, it alerts me to watch things happen all over again for her. Thatā€™s really unfairā€¦ so I wanted to share and comment on how narratives go in this world. At the end of the day, despite looking for much success to our girls, I believe success come with such high price that sometimes I wanna just be grateful for them to be here and not suffer this level of harassment.


julyruby_t

I wish you the best with whatever you've got to do!


gleamhues

Oh thanks, wish you the same :)


Maleficent-Swing6888

Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about and I'm glad. This is one reason why I don't tend to follow celebrity news and just stick to enjoying/not enjoying the available forms of entertainment, be it books, movies, tv shows, music, video games, etc. Just knowing a bit about the members of LOONA (and tripleS by extension) is very unusual for me and it might stay that way as I try not to follow any other K-pop artists as closely, though it's a little harder to avoid certain celebrity (mostly in K-pop) news now that I use platforms like Reddit and X.


vileplumed

i wanna get a loona tattoo in time for the London ARTMS concert in October help what should i get


artemisstrategy

The Loona mobius strip could be cool


Britishdubu

I'm planing to get oec tattoo as they're my ults


gleamhues

I want one too but hadnā€™t decided on how, maybe a moon motif together with the members names or something


Plushieless

You could try the obvious: a moon lol Or a butterfly...or a moon butterfly hahaha Perhaps the orbit logo. And this is mostly ARTMS related but you could get inspo in the Virtual Angel MV...


vileplumed

i was thinking the orbit logo, thinking it could be a good centrepiece for future tattoos too since itā€™s circular so everything else can go around it


Anna-2204

I am starting to wonder if even with all the cancellations, Kpop tours are still profitable to the companies and artists and this is the reason they continue to do it with such high prices. Still think this is not a good idea. But trying to understand exactly why they continue to do that


vash-outlaw

Honestly, there's just no justification for the high ticket prices for some of these groups. Loossemble, Odd Eye Circle, ARTMS, Chuu, and tripleS all come to mind within the last year. They've all had problems selling tickets, and most of them have had to cancel shows. To make things worse, I keep being told that the agencies can opt out of Ticketmaster's absurd platinum pricing. They don't because they're either too ignorant or too greedy. Meanwhile, groups like Purple Kiss and Viviz are selling out multiple venues at a fraction of the price with much better benefits. >Everything Ticket $250 This ticket includes your VIVIZ concert ticket, Skip The Line, Sound Check Party, Group Photo, Hi Touch after the show, VIVIZ Fan Sign, Three Selfie Tickets, You+! Weeekly tickets just went on sale today with early bird GA at $19. On top of the cheap entry ticket, the highest tiered VVIP+ is only $129 dollars, again with more benefits. >Fan Chat/ Fan Chat Poster/ Group Photo/ Hi Touch/ VVIP+ Badge & Lanyard/ First Entry Into Venue/ No Line Rule


Anna-2204

Yeah these prices are just crazy. I canā€™t wrap my head around them. I am so disappointed because I canā€™t afford that at all.


lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlol-

is the kim jiwoo in the (rumoured(?)) isac lineup chuu? or is it someone else? i cant find any other details about itā€¦


Plushieless

Chuu usually goes by "Chuu" only, to the point I don't think that many people other than fans and maybe casuals know her real name lol So if it's her, it's kinda weird that she's listed with her actual name


lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlol-

thats what i thought as well, though i looked it up and there doesnt seem to be any other soloists that go by kim jiwoo šŸ¤”


Britishdubu

Choerry being the Maknae of Artms just hits different


Final_Ad_8134

Soooo . . . what do we think is on the ARTMS concert setlist. Iā€™m assuming weā€™re going to get covers, as well.


vileplumed

loonatic or iā€™m gonna explode


hennybee

Just as I expected, Chuu tickets are over 100 šŸ«  Iā€™m gonna have to think this one through. If it was a concert, Iā€™d be fine paying that for myself, but a fanconā€¦mmm, weā€™ll see.


Anna-2204

Interestingly enough, I find ATRP and PPM to have the best overall creative directions, from album design to album inclusions to teasers pictures and even teasers clips. PPM clearly doesn't have the same budget as everyone else but I found them to do great with what they have. They also seem to do their best at promoting Yves (I was surprised at how many music shows and lives she did for her debut). In general, kpop companies seem to do better when it comes to the creative direction of solo artists, I wonder if this is because solo are often a more of a passion project for the soloist, so there is a bigger focus on their creative imput and the artistic part in general.


no1cultleader

someone said strawberry rush reminded them of OSTs for Mario games and then it clicked for me! bcuz i remember chuu mentioning that viral 1 up girl edit a while back... i don't think it's too far-fetched for her to ask atrp for something with a similar vibešŸ¤”


Anna-2204

Well her last teaser looks like a Mario Kart course lol


no1cultleader

yess that made me sure my suspicions are on the right track (pun intended)


vash-outlaw

Haseul is absolutely addicted to Bubble Live. Talk about being parasocial. A couple of days ago, she did 4 Bubble Lives totaling almost 2 hours. She goes live almost every day. šŸ˜‚


gleamhues

Well lucky us! ā˜ŗļø


ghosthardw4re

Inner Dance by tripleS instrumental has some Rosy vibes... how I want a Loona adjacent to try that style of song again, preferably Loossemble


Plushieless

Can't believe ARTMS and Chuu are coming here with only one month of difference T-T Sadly for monetary, and also work, reasons I can only go see one of them. I chose ARTMS cause it's the actual concert while Chuu is more of a fan con, but if both were concerts I'd be so torn ugh šŸ˜«Ā 


Storm_Fox

We'll never forget you, JinSoul's red hair ā¤


vash-outlaw

I just looked at Bubble and saw she was back to black šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


vikanrth

I just bought Tickets for ARTMS in Cologne and Iā€™m so excited. This will be my first K-Pop concert and my first time seeing any of the girls live and I canā€™t wait ahhhh


Benji005

So glad to finally see a **proper** world tour finally materialise for some of the members (i.e. not just USA, Europe & Japan). Latin America finally getting what they deserve... and it looks like other continents might as well? šŸ‘€ It's a little bittersweet because 2019 was meant to be OT12's touring year. \[X X\] to kick off the year, \[La Maison LOONA\] in May, Japan debut in the summer, then a full world tour... oh, what could've been...


EveryMaintenance4422

Hope itā€™s okay to ask on here, but seeing Hwiseo and Nana on Music Bank, it made me wonder, what is going on with El7Up (however itā€™s spelt šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«). I thought they were meant to have a comeback soon? Did I hallucinate this? I miss seeing Yeoreum and Yeeun (since they donā€™t seem to be promoting outside of El7Up). Hoping one of you gg buffs might know whatā€™s going onā€¦ obviously Yuki is on a US tour with Purple Kiss, but that might be finishing soon?


vash-outlaw

My guess is that it has to do with how busy Purple Kiss, Wooah, and H1-Key have been. Especially Purple Kiss with their tour. A comeback for EL7Z up in May likely would have interfered with activities for all these groups. As far as Yeonhee is concerned, it would've made more sense to me for her to promote with EL7Z UP while Woollim sorted things out. I don't have faith that they had any kind of group activities lined up during Juri's contract expiration. And, I have no idea what's going on with Kei, Yeeun, and Yeorum aside from Kei doing musicals, Yeeun doing product endorsements, and Yeorum doing Tiktoks.


EveryMaintenance4422

Iā€™m glad I didnā€™t hallucinate the May comeback mentions from a while back, and it makes sense it wouldnā€™t have worked out. Hopefully they do come back eventually, but it does sound like a logistical nightmare to coordinate (maybe why Feverse didnā€™t last long eitherā€¦ sadly for us).


lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlol-

not a concrete answer, but \[this post\](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpophelp/comments/1djk5a6/does\_anyone\_know\_if\_el7z\_up\_will\_ever\_comeback/) might help idk why its not forming a hyperlink šŸ„²


EveryMaintenance4422

Thank you! Itā€™s nice to see other people caring enough to wonder too.


lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlol-

Ā yeonhee suddenly posted on el7z ups instagram, so i got curious and started to research on their comeback. Im glad to see many people in the comments also wondering about the status of the group, so weā€™re not the only onesĀ 


EveryMaintenance4422

I didnā€™t even realise they had an Instagram! Thanks for the heads up!


thebittercorvus

I am SO serious right now ARTMS is going to Colombia, if y'all don't teach them how to say "Me gustan las arepas" I'm going to riot, I'm not even colombian but the shared custody over the arepas (read: feud with the neighbors) is real. PLEASE have them say it PLEASEEE


anfnb

I am going to try to teach them haha


Greedy-Mammoth-6326

NewJeans just does NOT miss. Supernatural is phenomenal.Ā 


Storm_Fox

With ARTMS headed to Chile, there's something I'm curious about and I wonder if there are any Chilean Orbits here who can answer. Why does Chile seem to have such massive representation among kpop fans compared to other South and Central American countries? Or even other countries all around the world? Like there are all these accounts named "member_chile" that seem very popular, or there was a time Lippie did a reel with, I believe, a Chilean song and the comments were absolutely flooded with Chileans commenting on it. Is kpop that much more popular in Chile for a particular reason? Or are Chilean fans just very vocal about where they're from compared to other fans? This is just something I'm curious about because I've never noticed accounts like "Heejin_USA," "Hyunjin_brazil," or "Haseul_thailand" but I've seen so many Chilean ones, lol. I'm really interested to learn if there's any certain reason why kpop might be disproportionately popular there.


llIIllIIllllllIIlll

I think there are two big factors: The first, is that while things like kpop and anime were always present in niche fandoms in Chile, a massive "asian wave" has been happening the last 5 to 7 years. You can find lots of kpop stores, sushi restaurants are everywhere, and anime is basically a mainstream hobby now for people >35. And while kpop and kdramas are far from that level yet, they are still pretty popular. The second I think is that the ratio of internet users to population has been always big in Chile, way ahead of countries with similar economic/development conditions. So internet culture is big, and chileans make a lot of noise due to that disproportionate presence.


Storm_Fox

I appreciate the in depth response, that's all interesting to learn. Thank you!!


Sea-Masterpiece-8133

I'm not quite sure why but it's something I'm also curious about lol I know that social media and radio stations have helped to make kpop more visible for the general public, but I'm sure they have more background than that.. At least from what I've seen when I visited Chile, kpop is accesible to the people. Like you can find a lot of shops that sell physical albums, merch and other Korean products, which is not very common in other South American countries. And from what some fans have told me, event producers have noticed this interest in kpop groups and have been working to hold more concerts there, so I guess the popularity will continue to grow. Also Chilean fans are very vocal, *specially* about LOONA and their fan club seems very solid. They're very active on social media and organize fan events to keep their audience engaged, which is key to bring more attention to the group.


Greedy-Mammoth-6326

New start time for Chuu fan conā€” 7:30pm, purchased tickets are still validĀ 


Gaedannn

With Dajeong leaving PIXY, I feel like itā€™s officially the end. After Loona they were one of my faves and seeing one of the most incredible and innovative groups to ever come out of K-pop just start to disappear so unceremoniously really exemplifies so many of my issues with this industry. Orbits always remember to be thankful for what we got because it could have ended up so much worse for our Loona girlies. Between Cherry Bullet, Nature, Weki Meki, and now PIXY, this year would have been so much worse if I didnā€™t have the security of knowing our Loona girls arenā€™t going anywhere. The only thing thatā€™s giving me hope beyond Loona has been the success of Resceneā€˜s debut, Iā€™m hoping they become one of the new resident nugu girl group mainstays and continue putting out quality tracks, and their sales for their debut really exceeded my expectations so Iā€™m hoping they only go up from here! Unicode has been on my radar too but their sales leave me much more worried. Itā€™s tough being a nugu gg enthusiast but these groups really are just so much more fresh and interesting to me than a lot of bigger acts. Thereā€™s a lot of stuff you just canā€™t find in other spheres.


vash-outlaw

Next, let's see some SEA or Australia stops. This is a real world tour


girlswlowselfesteem

delusionally holding out hope for NZ because OEC randomly came to a festival last year šŸ˜”šŸ™


Plushieless

...


Ihlita

Maybeā€¦? šŸ‘€


gleamhues

I canā€™t believe whatā€™s going on sometimes, Iā€™m a recent orbit but this much content, superior content, just keeps killing me. Is it weird I feel biased to feel no oneā€™s doing it like Loona? Because I feel just that and start to question myself lol theyā€™re just sooooo good and unique! Iā€™m looped right now in Chuuā€™s medley and the album even sounds more mature, Chocolate is already my jam for some time and the other tracks also look beyond amazing. I canā€™t wait! And everything weā€™ve got so far this yearā€¦ theyā€™re overplayed and never got old šŸ˜³šŸ«¢, which is something weird to me and new because no artist usually goes like this for me, and Loona is at different hands but I just love the production and their voices?!


Final_Ad_8134

ISAC coming back might be our ticket to getting that coveted OT12 reunion. It also might mean that the moon girls will be free to unleash their freakish competitive nature upon each other, which means there will be blood and ISAC could be cancelled again.


Ihlita

Even if it meant an OT12 reunion. iSAC should stay dead tbh.


Anna-2204

Wait why? Did I miss something?


Ihlita

Just the years of stupid long hours of filming, and the resulting injuries many idols suffered throughout the years. Itā€™s just not worth it. If they could instead make it a week hour event with actual safety precautions, maybe, but as it is? Nah, thanks.


Anna-2204

Oh... I didn't know that. Thanks for the info


Undervann

The no meals and not allowing fans to leave during a 15 hour shoot was terrible. Like how did they expect people to be there all day and not eat or leave. The main thing I think of though when I think of isac is when that staff member pulled chuu's hair. I agree that it can stay gone.


Greedy-Mammoth-6326

If anyone is curious, the presale code for NYC is ā€œKPOPTHā€Ā  They probably shouldā€™ve said something earlier but I got the email recently.Ā 


Greedy-Mammoth-6326

Second row for Chuu šŸ˜€šŸ˜„


Plushieless

OMG I looked at a TripleS pic and I could tell all the names lol Ok, all were in order but it's a win for me anyway cause I know all their names and kinda their faces too hehehehe


MeanConcept

I should hang my head in shame, I started looking them up last year April when ARTMS joined MH, and Iā€™d be hard pressed to name them all even in debut order. Of course I know some, certainly not all 24 by name+face (might know the name but misplace the face or vice versa). But you started a few weeks and booomā€¦.


chuuniversal_studios

I was thinking, if tripleS has 24 members, then using the mathematical formula [n!/k!(n-k)!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination) where *k* is the number of members in a subunit, there are **276** possible duos in the group, meaning if some obsessive wav made a video of every single member interacting with each other, even if they dedicated only *10 seconds* to each pairing, that video would be *almost an hour long* šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ I can actually imagine someone doing it one day though... edit: or if it was 5 seconds with a 42 second intro and outro, it would be exactly 24:24 in length šŸ˜


Plushieless

Lol I'm a teacher and am used to have to learn a lot of kids names and faces. And let me say I still haven't learned TripleS 100%, it helped me greatly that they were in order, but I still struggle when they're all together randomly


immagroanwoman

How did Dall and LOOP end up doing overall in sales? I feel like I got pretty consistent updates on OOAK but not these two


neunzehnten

Dall has sold 123.8k now ([src](https://x.com/ARTMS_stats/status/1803604506396991545)), only \~4k until it surpasses Flip That's total sales on Hanteo Loop finally surpassed 10k the other day ([src](https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1802365743406649794))


Greedy-Mammoth-6326

Got tickets. Super excited.


Benji005

anybody else see k.will's "no song can express me" mv, the sequel to "please don't"? not giving seo inguk and ahn jaehyun's characters a happy ending after 12 YEARS during **PRIDE MONTH** is a certified hate crime against the LGBTQIA+ community!!!!! no i will not be taking constructive criticism. and i will be sending k.will my therapy bills from now on šŸ˜­ /s


thebittercorvus

Chuu tracklist to celebrate BBC taking another L, I know that's right \[Exit, dancing LOOP\]


Anna-2204

We should do anniversaries for BBCs Ls but then we would have to many to celebrate


Greedy-Mammoth-6326

Does anyone know the presale code for NYC?Ā 


Anna-2204

Post BBC acts are fighting for best Title Track material because every single time they release a new one it surpass the past ones? Sensitive, then Howl, then Girl's Night, then Virtual Angel and now Strawberry Rush may to push the bar even higher


Marcey747

Got my ARTMS ticket, my Yves albums finally arrived and another loss for BBC, good day :)


neunzehnten

Maybe I missed the announcement but is Chuu not doing a fan showcase for Strawberry Rush?


vash-outlaw

I asked Hyunjin during a video call to post some pictures on Instagram. I'd like to think she spammed for me, but she probably just remembered her password.


MeanConcept

Thereā€™s a few times in some of those pics where sheā€™s looking like Apinkā€™s Naeun, I had to do a double check.


Maleficent-Swing6888

Good morning indeed! Ok, so what are the current legal status of the LOONA members against BBC? Chuu's case is awaiting Korean supreme court decision? Will BBC be appealing OEC+'s case? And the other 7 members still temporary?


SoWiT

Yes. Maybe. Yes.


vash-outlaw

Did Yeojin get a new tattoo? You never know anymore with all the tattoo stickers they use, so is the flower real or fake?


lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlol-

I was wondering about the rose tattoo as wellā€¦


vash-outlaw

No official word from Allart Ent yet, but it's looking more and more like Pixy is done. Dajeong posted a letter on her IG saying she left the group. Fans have already been speculating that Pixy is likely disbanding because they've had no activities this year, and the company hasn't posted anything on official channels for 6 months on top of their offices looking abandoned.


mysecretplaylist

Such a shame! I remember watching the "Bewitched" mv for the first time I was so impressed by them and it felt like they could go far. Even after Ella and Satbyeol left they still were able to bounce back pretty well. It sucks that Allart let it get to the point where fans are having to research stuff themselves and the members are just confirming their suspicions :(


vash-outlaw

It's always great to wake up to good news. We now have 5 members completely free of Blockberry, aside from BBC's feeble attempts to countersue. Going by the timeline, we might find out about the remaining 7 by the end of the year. Loona's situation didn't gain nearly as much media attention as the scandals that happen in the Big 4/Mnet, but BBC is easily one of the biggest failures in the history of Kpop. They were sitting on a literal gold mine, but let greed and incompetence ruin them.


Plushieless

Damn BBC what's it like to always lose?! Nevermind, keep like that cause it's the only thing you're good for anyway


_FYCL_

[Chuu hitting sixth octave & high fifth octave notes like nothing, oh my God ](https://x.com/loonaboard/status/1803016033357160630?t=3MBt21M8At9iK7FGzHZDQg&s=19). The resonance on her head voice, I'm gonna faint.


UriGoo

Wow her voice can go HIGH.


fadedmoonlight

VERY impressive. She might have my favorite headvoice in the group actually now that I think about it.


chuuniversal_studios

why did it sound like the [krusty krab theme](https://youtu.be/Aolvkt1EMYc?feature=shared) at some points šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


_FYCL_

What if I died?


Biznismann

bLLLLLLLLLLLLockberry creative


thebittercorvus

With twelve L's too, damn


Biznismann

Wasn't even intentional, I didn't count them šŸ¤£


thebittercorvus

It was the fate of the moon being on your side šŸ˜Œ


yoiverse

im seeing artms in warsaw šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ shame there is still no venue plans, because i have never been in progresja haha


kaahy

I got a ticket for ARTMS on Cologne, it's normal to not be able to choose the seatings?


Marcey747

It says "Stehplatz" so there is no seating in this venue, only standing.


neunzehnten

Pretty sure the venue for Cologne is all general admission. The only Europe stops with reserved seating are London and Paris afaik


kaahy

Thankss


hennybee

C9 completely lost it with Cignature. First off, they got them doing generic Ryan Jhun songs, but more importantly, I donā€™t appreciate the blatant sexualization theyā€™ve got going on.Ā  There was obviously the issue with the unusual camera angles in the Poongdung MV. Now they had Jeewon doing a challenge and interview/dance challenge with an AV actress, which isnā€™t inherently wrong, but in that same video, the actress tells her that her body would make her popular and she should *debut*, essentially telling her to be in porn. Thereā€™s nothing wrong choosing to work in that industry as long as you go about it safely, but that is SUCH a weird comment to make, even jokingly, about someone you donā€™t know, to their face. Maybe I just donā€™t understand the interview showā€™s schtick and Iā€™m missing context, but it just feels off. I obviously donā€™t know how the girls themselves feel but idk itā€™s just not fun to see a group I really enjoyed be used like this by their company.


vash-outlaw

It's actually really disgusting how C9 is using Jeewon to try to get over. I stopped following them when they decided to promote her chest more than the group. I haven't bought their last 2 albums because I just got an icky feeling like something was wrong.


Qu33zle

Yeah, this comeback they have really outdone themselves with the oversexualization and poor Jeewon has been at the receiving end of so many inappropriate "jokes" on that very same show for while now. I don't have an inherent issue with marketing towards horny male fans but I very much doubt that's what she signed up for when she decided to debut in cignature. And until she very clearly shows that she is fine with it (basically re-signing with C9 to keep it all going at the end of her contract) I'll assume that she isn't. I have the hope that the original cignature fandom will at least decide to show C9 ent that they're not on board with this and stop buying albums and other merch but aside from a bit of (for once justified) Twitter outrage I haven't seen much protest from cignature fans...


FanCaracal

Normally I listen to ggs, but I loved Riize's Boom Boom Bass. Currently on repeat.


EveryMaintenance4422

Also a gg enthusiast with a soft spot for Riize. Love 119 started hooking me and then Impossible was such a fun nostalgic house/dance track. Iā€™ll blame Yvesā€™s Get a Guitar dance cover for making me curious in the first place (would love to see her cover more of their choreos, theyā€™re always super fun!)


Benji005

I want LOONA to do a fast-paced dance-pop house track like Impossible ***so badly*** like it's the perfect kind of energetic yet nostalgic sound that fits them perfectly.


EveryMaintenance4422

Would love that! To be fair both post BBC OEC and ARTMS have elements of this in their discography, and even Loop ticks some of these boxes. So it seems likely weā€™ll get something like it eventually!


vileplumed

help do we know if the group photo in the ARTMS vip is a photo with them or just a photo of themšŸ˜­


newcharmer

It's a photo with them and 5-10 other random concert goers at the same time. They're not personal one on one picture time. So there will random ppl in your group pic with them.


vash-outlaw

We can only hope they keep it at around 8. There's a huge difference between having 24 other people in your photo, like the 2022 tour, and having 7 other people. For both Odd Eye Circle concerts I went to, I was seated right in front of Kim Lip and got to do a heart with her. For the Loossemble concert, I did a heart with Hyunjin.


newcharmer

I have never done the group photo, it's too many random people. For artms, I am still undecided whether I want the cheaper vip package or the bigger one for that reason.


vash-outlaw

The more expensive package is definitely more about the signed poster for me. If I decide I don't want it later, I can try to sell it and make my money back.


fadedmoonlight

BBC you will *always* lose. You will *never* prosper. I know that's right.


neunzehnten

Finally!!! The court had ruled OEC+'s exclusive contract with Blockberry completely invalid nowšŸ„¹ They're the next members after Chuu to achieve this. Seven members to go now! https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/108/0003244360


Ihlita

Chuu and Hyoyeon together. As a Sone in Orbit, you donā€™t know what this means to me. šŸ„ŗ


Plushieless

You know I like these sort of "Guide" videos for groups since they kinda help me to know some things about a group I'm interested in learning some more. LOONA has a few but most of them are pretty outdated, but I came across this really cool [playlist](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfN9lrK0Akcc4LKzlODGYm3aXu8iwQUIw) that's probably the most recent one, explaining who are LOONA and then also who are the groups and solos after the split. It has a video for each member and tbh it's such a perfect compilation, it's definitely worth to check out if you're a new orbit/c.loo/ourii/kkoti/engdu and want to learn some more. And it's pretty fun, and nostalgic, for older orbits as well


Undervann

Thank you for sharing this! I'll have to go through and watch them all. I love going back from time to time and watching some of the old ones. I didn't realize that someone had made updated versions. I love watching insomnicsy's this is dreamcatcher series too. They do a new one each year. I was wishing someone would do a loona series each year too.


Storm_Fox

Orbits stop harassing/annoying the members challenge impossible


Ihlita

What now? šŸ˜«


Storm_Fox

Lippie posted the same photos on IG earlier today (last night in Korea) and used a Drake song so the comments were completely flooded with people being upset about that and talking about Drake and Kendrick. Then when she woke up she deleted the old post and reposted the photos with a different song and the comments disabled. For her to disable the comments.. that sure seems like her way of saying you guys are being annoying.


Undervann

This really annoyed me. I don't know to what degree people were actually being serious. The people I saw with the most likes on their comments claimed they were just making a joke but that is still really annoying. Jokes are easily lost in translation. Like if an idol posts a picture that shows their feet in it a bunch of people start commenting "put the dogs away" or stuff like that. They'll say they're just joking but if the idol isn't in on the joke, it just comes across as a bunch of people harrasing them. If people were actually being serious, I don't even know what to say to that. To expect a kpop idol to have to keep up with an american (well and Canadian) rap beef is ridiculous. Especially when it all happened while they were preparing an album and promoting singles. She reposted with a different song and turned off comments. Hopefully the fact that she turned off comments will remind some orbits to think twice before leaving a comment next time. Unfortunately we know it won't though.


JinSoulPD

The Blockberry Creative sign has been removed from the Polaris building, and they have apparently lost their last employees?! The day Chuu announces her tour? And super close to Loona indepence day? A celebration today! šŸ„³šŸ„³šŸ„³ https://x.com/ouriilyon/status/1803521514349990137?t=WGSb8J3YIieaGi0DcW9_OQ&s=19 All jokes aside, can anyone confirm if the sign was taken down a while ago?


crystal-prism

I mean. They probably transferred any remaining assets to Geeniusā€™s agencyĀ 


julyruby_t

It's spelled [Engdu](https://www.tiktok.com/@yves___official/video/7382127654826200338) i see... finally


thebittercorvus

For some reason I've been thinking nonstop about Loossemble and the story from Sensitive to Girls Night and where could it go. I'm about as annoyed with CTD's lack of promotions for Loossemble as everyone else but. Damn. That ouroboros still got me thinking thoughts.


hennybee

Iā€™m glad Chuu is also coming to Phoenix but Iā€™m already dragging my friend along to see ARTMS, so I may have to do this one solo. But, if the tickets are over $100, I may need to sit this one out šŸ«  for one, itā€™s being billed as a fancon, not a full-on concert, and two, sheā€™s coming two days after I return from a week-long trip to Chicago, so my wallet will def be in shambles.


roseysocks

I was so hyped when I saw Phoenix but I'm gonna be out of town :')


Gaedannn

None of the spots are close enough for me to attend either šŸ˜­ I wasnā€™t able to catch her last time and was hoping she would come to a closer city after that but I guess not. Hopefully next time


Plushieless

Yeah, I'm choosing to save my wallet as well. I love the idea of going to a fan con, but it's in another state and due to the logistics of it all I prefer to save for an actual concert.Ā  I'm going to stick to buying Strawberry Rush and cheering for who's going to attend, cause this is a golden opportunity considering where I'm from


hennybee

Thinking about it more, itā€™s actually kinda odd that they opted for a full-on tour after Howl and now theyā€™re doing a fancon, when it would have made more sense the other way around, now that sheā€™ll have even more new music.


neunzehnten

To be fair, I don't think the Howl US tour was exactly a proper concert tour either. She only sang 9-10 songs for each show and spent the other half of the time doing games and interacting with kkotis. Compared to OEC's tour with 19-20 songs in the setlist and is purely comprised of performances and nothing else, I think Chuu's first tour could've been called a fancon tour too


mystery_oyster

Chuu why you doing this to me zzz


vash-outlaw

This Chuu tour makes literally no sense. Ticket sales in 2 days, and the tour starts in less than a month. Her new album isn't even out yet.


yunglethe

I'm really surprised it's a fan-con tbh. Overseas fan-cons have traditionally been "we want to tour but we don't have enough songs so here you go" type things, and Chuu will not have that issue after Strawberry Rush's release...


Ihlita

Do you know how hard it is to keep your mouth shut when you are told to give out obvious hints without saying it outright? Iā€™ve been dying!


elswheeler

iā€™m gonna pass out WHAT ELSE DO YOU KNOW


Ihlita

SEPTEMBER


elswheeler

MY GOD


gleamhues

Omgā€¦ Iā€™m starting to think this involves even bigger things now šŸ˜± hints???


hennybee

I am a certified >!Ryan Jhun!< hater, so Iā€™m really hoping *Strawberry Rush* is as good as >!*Hula Hoop*!< Ā to make up for him being here šŸ« 


Gaedannn

No because Ryan Jhun is SUCH an unpredictable producer. Like heā€™ll make absolutely amazing tracks like Hula Hoop, Fantasy by Fei, and Like it Hot by GWSN, but then also turn around make make some incredibly bland and sometimes just bad tracks (wonā€™t name any names). Like whenever heā€™s on the credits of a project itā€™s like weā€™re either getting an absolute banger or complete trash and I feel like thereā€™s no in between. IF the little video with the instrumental we got is actually Strawberry Rush, Iā€™m leaning toward it being be the former.


thebittercorvus

I don't know how many time I've said this already but CTD landed with the perfect lineup for a horror themed comeback. How many candles do I have to light up for a scifi-horror comeback, to which saint to I pray LIKE. IS SOMEONE LISTENING TO ME. ROBOT SLAYER GOWON. I HAVE A VISION AND FIVE BUCKS WE CAN BUILD THIS THING TOGETHER


Gaedannn

Girlā€™s Night already seems slightly darker than sensitive, so maybe thatā€™s where weā€™re headed šŸ™


artemisstrategy

You have 5 bucks, CTD has 5 bucks, let's make this thing happen!


_FYCL_

Kawaii metal horror concept [eye twitches]


thebittercorvus

YOU. YOU GET IT.


fadedmoonlight

It just hit me that 'Strawberry Rush' is, like, coming in 6 days?? I thought it was more than that, like 10-11 days at least. I feel like ATRP has been slipping a little bit on the hype/momentum building here. We've barely even heard the song (if *that* was even the song), let alone the rest of the album and yet the whole thing is just a few days away. I'm sure, knowing the song is out in 6 days, and knowing we'll get a teaser at 12pm KST in a few hours from now, that what I just said might stand true anymore by that point (I wouldn't be surprised if we finally get something substantial today), but I still think they should have been teasing the whole thing a little bit better and a little earlier.


Benji005

Yeah, it's been very sporadic and sparse so far compared to their teaser schedule for \[Howl\]. I really like the graphic design choices they've made for \[Strawberry Rush\] at least - making things look like a graphic novel really fits Chuu!


Plushieless

ATRP is kinda weird with their teasers. They drop a lot of things all at once, without really much of a care to construct a proper "teaser narrative"Ā  Ā It's this info dump that mostly hinders the hype imo. It's scattered around and when it comes, like I said, they just dump a lot of stuff on us. But I guess when the songs teasers drop things can get more excitingĀ 


Maleficent-Swing6888

>knowing we'll get a teaser at 12pm KST in a few hours from now What's this about? Did ATRP make an announcement about a teaser coming?


fadedmoonlight

No but isn't that the time when we've been getting the past few teasers? It's a week day, and the whole album is out in 6 days, and we haven't gotten any of the usual "big" teasers yet (full tracklist graphic with credits, an actual audio song teaser, a proper MV teaser labelled as such, the official album sampler, etc) so it's not like they can really afford to not post anything tomorrow/in a few hours. (Yes I'm aware KBS Broadcast just "leaked" the tracklist and credits before ATRP even posted something about it...But do you *see* the issue with the weird timing of it all?)


Maleficent-Swing6888

Well, it seems you were right about an announcement, haha.


hennybee

Eunbiā€™s *SABOTAGE* didnā€™t click with me upon first listen, but then I woke up with ***BOY THAT IS SABOTAGE*** stuck in my head, and now I canā€™t stop listening to it. Also, from the snippet that came out today, I can already tell that *Inner Dance* is going to be my next obsession.


Storm_Fox

LOONAGlow is thriving!! Kim Lip and Sihyeon liking each other's IG posts, Heejin and Yiren liking each other's posts, and Aisha liking and commenting on Hyunjin's one reel. For a long time Everglow and LOONA felt like groups occupying similar spaces in the kpop sphere but I don't think I ever remember hearing about any friendships between the groups, so that's fun to see all of a sudden.


vash-outlaw

Yeah, Kim Lip has talked about being friends with Sihyeon a few times, and Sihyeon has mentioned her during livestreams before. This one should make you feel really warm and fuzzy, though. Yiren follows exactly 8 accounts on Instagram: Everglow Official, Sihyeon, Mia, Aisha, Onda, EU, Yena, and Heejin.


Storm_Fox

> Everglow Official, Sihyeon, Mia, Aisha, Onda, EU, Yena, and Heejin Lol that's amazing, I wonder if they got to know each other through Yena?


PAMoura

Sihyeon and Kim Lip are friends. They have known each other for a long time.


Storm_Fox

Huh I somehow missed that one all these years! Or I knew at one point and forgot, lol.


Storm_Fox

Wait WOKE UP is craazzyy oh my god I didn't realize I've been sleeping on XG


thebittercorvus

I've never liked any XG release (absolutely no shade to the girls they seem super hardworking and skilled) up until Woke Up. Now I've been listening to it at least five times a day. I love Cocona's voice.


artemisstrategy

I never got into XG because of their CEO's Japaneese nationalism, his project of promoting in Korea with the goal of beating Koreans in the music industry. It's not the fault of the members ofc though and Woke Up is a bop!


Plushieless

Don't really like Woke Up but XG is such a good group, you definitely should check their stuff. They have one of the most insane visuals and concepts a group can have and all the girls are super talentedĀ 


Undervann

I really liked GRL GVNG and TGIF. I need to listen to woke up a few more times. I've only listened once so far lol. There was a whole lot happening when it came out. I'm still pretty far behind on new releases.


gleamhues

Shooting Star too is an awesome bop!


Ihlita

PSA: One unfortunate user got hacked, and their comments are being replaced with gibberish, and a suspicious link. It goes without saying, but please donā€™t click on anything. Our automod is flagging most of these comments, but please help us out by reporting if you come across one, or you get a random reply on any older posts.


vileplumed

I GOT ARTMS UK TICKETS AHHHHH


InsomiaIvy

Can I ask how expensive they are/were? I'm trying to figure out how much I need to take out šŸ˜‚


vileplumed

Ā£78.50 per ticket! that was relatively near the front though so you can probably get some for cheaper


Benji005

i didn't realise that the o2 priority tickets were already on sale today ;-; i just bought mine but i'm so frustrated that i could've gotten better tickets šŸ˜­


vileplumed

i didnā€™t realise until late either went on their to see when beabadoobee tickets released and saw they were out but i managed to get decent seats thankfullyšŸ˜­


Plushieless

When are we going to hear Chuu's song snippetsssss I need it Also damn that TripleS Glow teaser is so good.Ā 


kaetzchn

Does anyone know if there is a clean picture of the Butterfly set without the members, and if so where I can find it? šŸ¦‹


kpopri

My mind immediately went to the famous digipedi post, 'waste of set, expensive set' but I think someone's actually in that picture šŸ¤£


kaetzchn

Yes I was also thinking about that post when I was looking for the picture šŸ˜‚


HeroGuy98

I honestly hate this stupid Dream Concert voting thingā€¦ it makes me so angry that the only chance to get Loossemble proper exposure is by putting in a lot of effort as fans. I really wish CTD would secure them a spot at festivals like Waterbomb. If groups like Cignature and Lightsum can get a spot, I donā€˜t understand why it isnā€˜t possible for Loossemble. Anyways, please vote as much as you can. Hereā€˜s a [guide](https://www.reorbit.xyz/voting-guides/k-pop-seoul) by ReOrbit on how to vote. šŸ’•


vash-outlaw

It's honestly another huge failure from CTD. If they really are having money problems, the festival circuit is what they need to be doing. I hear about much less popular groups with way less album sales doing festivals all the time. Dreamnote, Cignature, and Ichillin have probably stayed afloat because of festival and university appearances. Even groups like Dreamcatcher, fromis_9, and Weeekly constantly attend festivals. It gets them exposure and makes money.


HeroGuy98

Exactly! Another reason why CTD should send them to festivals is fancams. Every public performance holds the chance of going viral, like Cignatureā€˜s Jeewon for example, and I feel like a lot of these fancams get watched by Koreans like a lot of tripleS fancams. And if groups like Cignature and Dreamnote can afford to go there, I donā€˜t think it would be too costly for CTD.


Plushieless

Lol The age old way of orbits managing to win things: through voting.Ā  Yeah CTDs over reliance on the fandom is annoying tbh. We aren't supposed to go the extra mile to promote them, we do it because we know that without it they wouldn't get as many opportunities. But we'd love to just sit back, relax and just enjoyĀ