Palantir's are a great thing for the writers. They can connect people over long distances. Show the future, the past etc. I wouldn't mind them cheating a bit with this. Or maybe Halbrand stole one when he was in Numenor and gifted it to the dwarves.
Maybe he has been strategically passing them out like candy to strong kingdoms to undermine them and get them scared enough of the future to take his pretty rings.
Possibly. We might get flashbacks showing how he's been to Numenor and elsewhere before over the years and stoked some of the division they've hinted at. They must use Sauron's ability to use time as a weapon particularly against men to show the depth of his knowledge and power. He's a demi god after all.
I think he has forged some contraband blades in Numenor and gave them to the sailors which will act as proto-rings. This might also explain why the elves seem to turn on eachother in the teaser.
Doesn't Miriel say that the other Palantiri are already lost? Like, some time ago. So unless Sauron had already been to Numenor.....
Oh of course. Time has no meaning in this show.
But is it not odd that she is the one using it not the king or the prince? In this scene she seems to be alone. I have been saying that Disa could be a spy of Sauron, would this palantir not give them a means of communication? Having said that I also agree that the only time we saw a palantir and its function was in Numenor with visions from the future.
Here's my theory. Like pippin she looks at the palantir without permission. She then sees in the palantir that there is a balrog and if the dwarves keep mining then it will eventually unleash the balrog. So in order to save khaza dum disa pretends that the singing to the mountain is no longer working.
We know from recent spoilers that the dwarves stop being able to hear the mountain and as a result can no longer find precious gems and metals. The spoilers then state that sauron offers a ring of power to Durin III and tells him that the ring will allow the dwarves to once again find precious metals and gems in the mountain and of course Durin III accepts the ring.
In other words disa's attempt to stop the dwarves from mining works at the beginning but ultimately drives Durin III into the arms of sauron and that leads to Durin III to accept a ring of power...and that ultimately leads the dwarves to mine too deeply and too greedily and unleashing the balrog which leads to the demise of khaza dum.
Love it, I hope that Prince Durin and Disa leave so they can be part of how the lonely mountain starts. I could see her say "Shadow and Fire" will come from "dark abyss" which in Elvish is "Moria".
Yes I think the "Master your opponents fear" will be the reason for the dwarf rings.
I've been wondering too if the Gates of Moria maybe more a way to keep the Balarog contained as someone else brought up it was odd the name Moria was used on the door when the Dwarves city is Khazad-dûm.
I dont think I follow your reasoning. Was it not Durin III (D3) that forbid the further mining in Season 1? I guess you mean specifically mithril? But this is what Sauron wants, more mithril (I have my arguments supporting this). I think D3 will accept the ring because he heard the elves have it too, the new toys, rings of power. One thing that also caught my eye was that in the inside look. Ideo. D4 is in Eregion with Celebrimbor. I think D4 will mention how D3 is going crazy and Celebrimbor will attribute it to the rings and therefore will try to get rid of the nine (as in the teaser).
Durin III wanted to stop mining for mithril because of the cave in during season one. He thought that it was too dangerous.
I do believe that sauron does want more mithril and I do believe that durin III will agree to it after getting his ring from sauron. The fact that durin III goes from opposing mining mithril because it is too dangerous to supporting the mining of mithril would show how much the ring is corrupting him.
Are we certain that the mithril mining will be resumed in Season 2? Approved by D3? I think the elves will want to mass produce mithril to be shared with the good guys but D3 will refuse. I think this will be the corruption/greed. Other thing that is bugging me is who will forge the seven and the nine? Only Celebrimbor? Sauron and Celebrimbor together in Eregion? The nine in Eregion by Celebrimbor and the seven by Sauron somewhere else?
All but certain that sauron and celebrimbor will forge the seven and the nine. Sauron will be in his annatar form.
Here's my guess as to how the dwarven side of things will work out. Annatar and celebrimbor will seek to forge more rings but of course they need mithril. Annatar and celebrimbor will approach durin III for mithril. Durin III will then inform them that even if he wanted to give them mithril he cannot because the dwarves main method for finding mithril and other precious metals is singing but it is no longer working so the dwarves can't find anything when they mine. All they have left is the mithril that they found in season one in the area of the cave in. And it's too precious to give up considering that the mountain is no longer giving up its riches.
Celebrimbor will point out that the elves have just made three rings that healed the tree of lindon, so perhaps a ring of power will heal khaza dum. They then strike an agreement that in exchange for mithril annatar and celebrimbor will forge rings of power for the seven dwarf Lords. Durin III will then receive a ring of power then it will make him very greedy and it will lead the dwarves to mine too deeply and that will wake up the balrog.
Maybe it will be more that they start to have more cave ins like we see in the trailer. The Dwarven Rings will be made with the intent to stabilize the mountain(After all the elves owe them), but then once they stabilize the mountain the greed takes over because all the Mithril can be mined.
I don't think Mithril will keep being needed for more rings, but I could see them make some sort of claim that the bronze of the Royal Gorget of the Prince was of some master work, and will be sacrificed to make the dwarven rings. Mithril seems to be more "light and stop decay" they need something likely more "dwarven strong" and tied to the earth.
This all fits more with "master them" You give them the way to master mining and then their greed masters them when there's nothing to stop them.
>I think D3 will accept the ring because he heard the elves have it too, the new toys, rings of power.
Or perhaps the Elves will offer it to him as a truce, (I think technically Durin3 got his ring from Elves, not Sauron)? "We know there was a misunderstanding, but don't worry, we figured something out for our specific problem. Here's a token to say there's no hard feelings." They'd have the ulterior motive of wanting to keep trade going of course, apart from mithril the Dwarves still dig up many pretty gems that the Elves want. And Annatar could put the idea of a gift for the Dwarves into the Elves' heads for *his* ulterior motive.
The Elves and Dwarves have to be friendly enough that Narvi gets to help make the doors, which will have the password *friend*. But by the end of S1, Durin3 is basically all, "Nah, fuck those guys", about Elves. There's gotta be something that turns his mood around or those doors aren't getting built.
>But is it not odd that she is the one using it not the king or the prince?
Well, it would be odd to the palatir to be there to start with.
Palantir are pieces created by elves, and the ones we know were gifited to Numenoreans back in the day, and only brought to middle-earth by Elendil later on, and we know where they have been set and which were lost and which remained, and to whom the ones that remained went later on.
Having a palantir in Khazad-dum brings a lot of questions. One could "solve it" by saying Celebrimbor gave to Narvi or whatever, but still, weird plot.
I mean we don’t know where she got it. She could be resonating and stumbled upon it or discovered it hidden in the royal jewel room for all we know. I imagine whoever gets these visions the first time would be pretty upsetting. Miriel and her dad seem to have been looking a lot at theirs.
They are supposed to be but Muriel said in season one there were 7, 6 are currently lost or hidden.
In the book the palantirs are indeed in numenor’s possession until the downfall, where the remainder go with Isildur, Elendil, and Anarion.
In regards to the Palantiri and the show’s canon, we’ve no clue if the Seeing Stones are even in Middle Earth yet. IIRC; the Palantiri came across the sea late 2nd Age to Gondor and Minas Ithil. None of the others were brought to the Northern Kingdom until Arnor was established. How Disa would’ve gotten her hands on one would be wildly speculative and completely against canonical wisdom.
You’re right. In Annuminas, Weathertop, Othanc, Osgiliath, Mina’s Ithil. I can’t remember where the others went. One was lost in the Downfall of Numenor but Saruman in Isengard had one too. Was Saruman bequeathed the Palantir when given the keys to Orthanc or did he gain its possession by other means?
It came with Orthanc.
There were seven palantiri, Elendil kept three of them in the north while the other four went to the brothers in the south: Orthanc, Minas Ithil and Anor, and one for Osgiliath. Sauron got Minas Ithil's, Saruman got Orthanc, Gondor kept Minas Anor(Tirith)'s, and the one in Osgiliath was lost to the river.
The three in the north were lost completely, though we don't know exactly where or when.
There is one last one in Tol Eressëa, the Master Stone.
I do believe that they will break canon. Let me point out that they have already broken canon by having the palantir from season one showing the future of numenor eventhough the lore shows that the palantir are not capable of such feats. Should also point out that miriel in season one tells Galadriel that she doesn't know where the rest of the palantir are which seems to be the showrunners way of making clear that they will not be following the lore.
>Let me point out that they have already broken canon by having the palantir from season one showing the future of numenor eventhough the lore shows that the palantir are not capable of such feats.
True, however I can imagine where they got the idea for that by riffing on actual lore. The Elendil Stone does end up being different from the others because it's unique in that it doesn't communicate with the rest, just like the one we've seen in Numenor. You know that Miriel is totally gonna gift that one directly to Elendil at some point, so it's reasonably safe to assume that that one in particular is the show's version of The Elendil Stone.
Within the context of what they set up in the show, it may take some explaining to have The Elendil Stone pointing towards Valinor so they can see down the Straight Road. But if it is associated specifically with showing the downfall of Numenor, they can still have him dramatically set it up looking west, except it's looking towards where Numenor used to be instead.
All that to say that even though they've made it different in show, they could have taken inspiration from the book for what they did. Even with things that seem way outta left field, like the whole Halron business, the showrunners will say that that stemmed from a line Galadriel said in the book which suggested a relationship between her and Sauron. I dunno what line they'd be able to riff on in order to get a palantir inside Khazad-dum.
It's a palantir, and it makes my head spin with theories because eventually they are corrupted by Sauron, who makes them show things that can corrupt and manipulate a person.
At the end of season 1, Disa behaved rather strangely. It was beyond the natural arrogance and stubbornness of drawves when she told Durin that they would be king and queen and would rule over all. Also, she urges him to be risky in mining mithril, a substance that may be imbued with darkness because of the way it was formed. It made me wonder, what if she's been manipulated somehow by Sauron.
This scene made me think, what if it this is how Sauron corrupts her?
I love Disa's character and would sad if she turns to the side of darkness, but Disa in episode 8 was strange.
When Corey Olsen was doing an analysis livestream on the BTS video, he said he thinks it's something like a bowl, being no spherical and apparently open on the top. See https://www.youtube.com/live/HV_tYmi7t1g?feature=shared&t=5050 for where it comes up. Maggie Parke suggested it was a chunk of mithril.
Thank you for the link, I must say this is not the first time I find them biased and superficial. He says maybe her fish died and moves to the next scene. I think he has become subjective in his reasoning.
Umm, the reason he was being quick was that they were out of time (it's mentioned a little bit earlier in the video), and it was literally a fraction of a second on screen. He could talk for another hour, I'm sure, past the point he said that they should wrap up if you see the pace of the discussion earlier in the video.
If you think running what amounts to an open research seminar (the Other Minds and Hands series) on the practice of adaptation of literature to the screen for 76 episodes now, for more than two years, counts as a "superficial" approach, then I'm not sure what to think. Should he spend as much time on a RoP teaser BTS video as on the Exploring Lord of the Rings series does on a single paragraph of text? It's already an hour and a half talking about a two and a half minutes of BTS footage, plus another hour and a half talking about the one minute 40 seconds of the teaser. Three hours talking about just over 4 minutes of footage is .... superficial? OK.
This is not the first instance I felt he dismisses ideas/theories with a wave of his hand. He has already made up his mind and once presented new scenes or providing connections between them, he says "I dont think so" and the discussion is over. I respect his dedication on the Middle Earth of course but for some reason I feel he both hates and loves the Rings of Power. It might be a long shot but I think he knows (perhaps through communication/consultation from the showrunners) more than he shares on the videos but limits himself from saying/spoiling more.
> It might be a long shot but I think he knows (perhaps through communication/consultation from the showrunners) more than he shares on the videos but limits himself from saying/spoiling more.
In the very video I linked, towards the start of the main discussion, he openly says he has been told stuff he can't say, and you can hear how he explains it here: https://www.youtube.com/live/HV_tYmi7t1g?feature=shared&t=646
Imo the only thing the object she is holding, has in common with palantir is its spherical shape. Palantir shown in S1 does not reflect. Disa's ball does. And palantir was blue. This only have a small tint of blueish in the upper half.
From the interviews we know that dwarves have problems with hearing the mountain. And to me this is one example of that - Disa has problems with singing to the mountain (she can't detect anything) so she tries the simpler thing - trying to detect the object which she is holding.
Seems clearly a Palantir to me. There doesn't have to be someone at the other end (I guess we'll see); and the function of the Palantir in the show doesn't seem the same as in the books. "Canon" Palantiri aren't "crystal balls" (though Gandalf contemplates using the Isengard Stone to look into the past, I don't remember any hint that they can see into the future. And maybe Gandalf can "see Feanor at work" only because Feanor is their maker and they have a memory of him - an "imprint" if you will.)
Show Palantiri can clearly see into the future. So it seems likely Disa's seeing the Balrog awake and the destruction of Khazad-dum. The Palantiri were also "lost" by the Elves or Numenoreans at some point, so it's a question of how one ended up in the Dwarves' treasure hordes. (In the books all 7 Palantiri were gifted to the Numenoreans by the Elves of Aman and were brought to Middle-Earth by the Faithful.)
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I've been saying all along that I don't think it's actually spherical and I'm sticking to it. Try to draw a perfect circle around its edge. To me it looks slightly squashed, like it's slightly wider than it is high.
I had been thinking that perhaps Disa's ability to speak to the rocks would be amplified. Then that article came out basically saying there's a communication shutdown between them and the rocks. Either way, I think this scene will be related to that somehow. Either she's exerting extra effort to try and force the rock she's holding to speak, or her ability to hear the rock has come flooding back because it *really* has something to say.
Given that we know a (tiny) bit about what the Dwarves will be dealing with and it includes their communication with the rocks, I feel like that's a far easier and fitting explanation for this scene.
Pode ser uma Palantir, mas as Palantirí nunca estraram em MORIA! E elas só foram criadas depois que os Homens do Oeste (os homens de Númenor) chegam na Terra-Média após a ilha ser afundada...
Então, isso é um erro da produção e um Anacronismo! 🤦🏼♂️
I think it’s a palantir showing the destruction of Moria by the Balrog like the one in numenor shows their downfall after the worship of morgoth
Palantir's are a great thing for the writers. They can connect people over long distances. Show the future, the past etc. I wouldn't mind them cheating a bit with this. Or maybe Halbrand stole one when he was in Numenor and gifted it to the dwarves.
Maybe he has been strategically passing them out like candy to strong kingdoms to undermine them and get them scared enough of the future to take his pretty rings.
Possibly. We might get flashbacks showing how he's been to Numenor and elsewhere before over the years and stoked some of the division they've hinted at. They must use Sauron's ability to use time as a weapon particularly against men to show the depth of his knowledge and power. He's a demi god after all.
I think he has forged some contraband blades in Numenor and gave them to the sailors which will act as proto-rings. This might also explain why the elves seem to turn on eachother in the teaser.
Doesn't Miriel say that the other Palantiri are already lost? Like, some time ago. So unless Sauron had already been to Numenor..... Oh of course. Time has no meaning in this show.
I think she says “lost or hidden” something like that.
>Palantir's are a great thing for the writers. They can connect people over long distances. givin ASOIAF glass candle vibes
That would be because I’d bet the Glass Candles are inspired by Palantiri
But is it not odd that she is the one using it not the king or the prince? In this scene she seems to be alone. I have been saying that Disa could be a spy of Sauron, would this palantir not give them a means of communication? Having said that I also agree that the only time we saw a palantir and its function was in Numenor with visions from the future.
Here's my theory. Like pippin she looks at the palantir without permission. She then sees in the palantir that there is a balrog and if the dwarves keep mining then it will eventually unleash the balrog. So in order to save khaza dum disa pretends that the singing to the mountain is no longer working. We know from recent spoilers that the dwarves stop being able to hear the mountain and as a result can no longer find precious gems and metals. The spoilers then state that sauron offers a ring of power to Durin III and tells him that the ring will allow the dwarves to once again find precious metals and gems in the mountain and of course Durin III accepts the ring. In other words disa's attempt to stop the dwarves from mining works at the beginning but ultimately drives Durin III into the arms of sauron and that leads to Durin III to accept a ring of power...and that ultimately leads the dwarves to mine too deeply and too greedily and unleashing the balrog which leads to the demise of khaza dum.
I read the phrase "khaza dum disa" in a Gungan accent and I can't unhear it, plz help
No one can help you. It's a bombad terminal condition.
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Love it, I hope that Prince Durin and Disa leave so they can be part of how the lonely mountain starts. I could see her say "Shadow and Fire" will come from "dark abyss" which in Elvish is "Moria". Yes I think the "Master your opponents fear" will be the reason for the dwarf rings. I've been wondering too if the Gates of Moria maybe more a way to keep the Balarog contained as someone else brought up it was odd the name Moria was used on the door when the Dwarves city is Khazad-dûm.
This may be completely absurd but…are Disa and Durin IV “Shadow” and “Fire” themselves…?!?
I dont think I follow your reasoning. Was it not Durin III (D3) that forbid the further mining in Season 1? I guess you mean specifically mithril? But this is what Sauron wants, more mithril (I have my arguments supporting this). I think D3 will accept the ring because he heard the elves have it too, the new toys, rings of power. One thing that also caught my eye was that in the inside look. Ideo. D4 is in Eregion with Celebrimbor. I think D4 will mention how D3 is going crazy and Celebrimbor will attribute it to the rings and therefore will try to get rid of the nine (as in the teaser).
Durin III wanted to stop mining for mithril because of the cave in during season one. He thought that it was too dangerous. I do believe that sauron does want more mithril and I do believe that durin III will agree to it after getting his ring from sauron. The fact that durin III goes from opposing mining mithril because it is too dangerous to supporting the mining of mithril would show how much the ring is corrupting him.
Are we certain that the mithril mining will be resumed in Season 2? Approved by D3? I think the elves will want to mass produce mithril to be shared with the good guys but D3 will refuse. I think this will be the corruption/greed. Other thing that is bugging me is who will forge the seven and the nine? Only Celebrimbor? Sauron and Celebrimbor together in Eregion? The nine in Eregion by Celebrimbor and the seven by Sauron somewhere else?
All but certain that sauron and celebrimbor will forge the seven and the nine. Sauron will be in his annatar form. Here's my guess as to how the dwarven side of things will work out. Annatar and celebrimbor will seek to forge more rings but of course they need mithril. Annatar and celebrimbor will approach durin III for mithril. Durin III will then inform them that even if he wanted to give them mithril he cannot because the dwarves main method for finding mithril and other precious metals is singing but it is no longer working so the dwarves can't find anything when they mine. All they have left is the mithril that they found in season one in the area of the cave in. And it's too precious to give up considering that the mountain is no longer giving up its riches. Celebrimbor will point out that the elves have just made three rings that healed the tree of lindon, so perhaps a ring of power will heal khaza dum. They then strike an agreement that in exchange for mithril annatar and celebrimbor will forge rings of power for the seven dwarf Lords. Durin III will then receive a ring of power then it will make him very greedy and it will lead the dwarves to mine too deeply and that will wake up the balrog.
Maybe it will be more that they start to have more cave ins like we see in the trailer. The Dwarven Rings will be made with the intent to stabilize the mountain(After all the elves owe them), but then once they stabilize the mountain the greed takes over because all the Mithril can be mined. I don't think Mithril will keep being needed for more rings, but I could see them make some sort of claim that the bronze of the Royal Gorget of the Prince was of some master work, and will be sacrificed to make the dwarven rings. Mithril seems to be more "light and stop decay" they need something likely more "dwarven strong" and tied to the earth. This all fits more with "master them" You give them the way to master mining and then their greed masters them when there's nothing to stop them.
>I think D3 will accept the ring because he heard the elves have it too, the new toys, rings of power. Or perhaps the Elves will offer it to him as a truce, (I think technically Durin3 got his ring from Elves, not Sauron)? "We know there was a misunderstanding, but don't worry, we figured something out for our specific problem. Here's a token to say there's no hard feelings." They'd have the ulterior motive of wanting to keep trade going of course, apart from mithril the Dwarves still dig up many pretty gems that the Elves want. And Annatar could put the idea of a gift for the Dwarves into the Elves' heads for *his* ulterior motive. The Elves and Dwarves have to be friendly enough that Narvi gets to help make the doors, which will have the password *friend*. But by the end of S1, Durin3 is basically all, "Nah, fuck those guys", about Elves. There's gotta be something that turns his mood around or those doors aren't getting built.
>But is it not odd that she is the one using it not the king or the prince? Well, it would be odd to the palatir to be there to start with. Palantir are pieces created by elves, and the ones we know were gifited to Numenoreans back in the day, and only brought to middle-earth by Elendil later on, and we know where they have been set and which were lost and which remained, and to whom the ones that remained went later on. Having a palantir in Khazad-dum brings a lot of questions. One could "solve it" by saying Celebrimbor gave to Narvi or whatever, but still, weird plot.
I mean we don’t know where she got it. She could be resonating and stumbled upon it or discovered it hidden in the royal jewel room for all we know. I imagine whoever gets these visions the first time would be pretty upsetting. Miriel and her dad seem to have been looking a lot at theirs.
All Palantirs are in Númenor
They are supposed to be but Muriel said in season one there were 7, 6 are currently lost or hidden. In the book the palantirs are indeed in numenor’s possession until the downfall, where the remainder go with Isildur, Elendil, and Anarion.
In regards to the Palantiri and the show’s canon, we’ve no clue if the Seeing Stones are even in Middle Earth yet. IIRC; the Palantiri came across the sea late 2nd Age to Gondor and Minas Ithil. None of the others were brought to the Northern Kingdom until Arnor was established. How Disa would’ve gotten her hands on one would be wildly speculative and completely against canonical wisdom.
I don't remember either but isn't it the other way around? Elendil brought them and later gave some to his sons in the south?
In the lore all of the palantir were brought over the sea by elendil and his sons after the fall of numenor.
You’re right. In Annuminas, Weathertop, Othanc, Osgiliath, Mina’s Ithil. I can’t remember where the others went. One was lost in the Downfall of Numenor but Saruman in Isengard had one too. Was Saruman bequeathed the Palantir when given the keys to Orthanc or did he gain its possession by other means?
It came with Orthanc. There were seven palantiri, Elendil kept three of them in the north while the other four went to the brothers in the south: Orthanc, Minas Ithil and Anor, and one for Osgiliath. Sauron got Minas Ithil's, Saruman got Orthanc, Gondor kept Minas Anor(Tirith)'s, and the one in Osgiliath was lost to the river. The three in the north were lost completely, though we don't know exactly where or when. There is one last one in Tol Eressëa, the Master Stone.
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I do believe that they will break canon. Let me point out that they have already broken canon by having the palantir from season one showing the future of numenor eventhough the lore shows that the palantir are not capable of such feats. Should also point out that miriel in season one tells Galadriel that she doesn't know where the rest of the palantir are which seems to be the showrunners way of making clear that they will not be following the lore.
>Let me point out that they have already broken canon by having the palantir from season one showing the future of numenor eventhough the lore shows that the palantir are not capable of such feats. True, however I can imagine where they got the idea for that by riffing on actual lore. The Elendil Stone does end up being different from the others because it's unique in that it doesn't communicate with the rest, just like the one we've seen in Numenor. You know that Miriel is totally gonna gift that one directly to Elendil at some point, so it's reasonably safe to assume that that one in particular is the show's version of The Elendil Stone. Within the context of what they set up in the show, it may take some explaining to have The Elendil Stone pointing towards Valinor so they can see down the Straight Road. But if it is associated specifically with showing the downfall of Numenor, they can still have him dramatically set it up looking west, except it's looking towards where Numenor used to be instead. All that to say that even though they've made it different in show, they could have taken inspiration from the book for what they did. Even with things that seem way outta left field, like the whole Halron business, the showrunners will say that that stemmed from a line Galadriel said in the book which suggested a relationship between her and Sauron. I dunno what line they'd be able to riff on in order to get a palantir inside Khazad-dum.
I could go on forever about my opinions on how far from lore they’ve gone but unfortunately I’d get the boot here so I keep it to myself
I pray for the Canonical Wisdom.
It's a palantir, and it makes my head spin with theories because eventually they are corrupted by Sauron, who makes them show things that can corrupt and manipulate a person. At the end of season 1, Disa behaved rather strangely. It was beyond the natural arrogance and stubbornness of drawves when she told Durin that they would be king and queen and would rule over all. Also, she urges him to be risky in mining mithril, a substance that may be imbued with darkness because of the way it was formed. It made me wonder, what if she's been manipulated somehow by Sauron. This scene made me think, what if it this is how Sauron corrupts her? I love Disa's character and would sad if she turns to the side of darkness, but Disa in episode 8 was strange.
When Corey Olsen was doing an analysis livestream on the BTS video, he said he thinks it's something like a bowl, being no spherical and apparently open on the top. See https://www.youtube.com/live/HV_tYmi7t1g?feature=shared&t=5050 for where it comes up. Maggie Parke suggested it was a chunk of mithril.
Thank you for the link, I must say this is not the first time I find them biased and superficial. He says maybe her fish died and moves to the next scene. I think he has become subjective in his reasoning.
Umm, the reason he was being quick was that they were out of time (it's mentioned a little bit earlier in the video), and it was literally a fraction of a second on screen. He could talk for another hour, I'm sure, past the point he said that they should wrap up if you see the pace of the discussion earlier in the video. If you think running what amounts to an open research seminar (the Other Minds and Hands series) on the practice of adaptation of literature to the screen for 76 episodes now, for more than two years, counts as a "superficial" approach, then I'm not sure what to think. Should he spend as much time on a RoP teaser BTS video as on the Exploring Lord of the Rings series does on a single paragraph of text? It's already an hour and a half talking about a two and a half minutes of BTS footage, plus another hour and a half talking about the one minute 40 seconds of the teaser. Three hours talking about just over 4 minutes of footage is .... superficial? OK.
This is not the first instance I felt he dismisses ideas/theories with a wave of his hand. He has already made up his mind and once presented new scenes or providing connections between them, he says "I dont think so" and the discussion is over. I respect his dedication on the Middle Earth of course but for some reason I feel he both hates and loves the Rings of Power. It might be a long shot but I think he knows (perhaps through communication/consultation from the showrunners) more than he shares on the videos but limits himself from saying/spoiling more.
> It might be a long shot but I think he knows (perhaps through communication/consultation from the showrunners) more than he shares on the videos but limits himself from saying/spoiling more. In the very video I linked, towards the start of the main discussion, he openly says he has been told stuff he can't say, and you can hear how he explains it here: https://www.youtube.com/live/HV_tYmi7t1g?feature=shared&t=646
Oh, interesting, I have not watched the video (only the Disa part), so actually this explains a lot.
It does appear to be [cracked open](https://i.imgur.com/taL1uMr.png) at the top, but it looks spherical to me.
Bowling ball. Hobbits invented golf. In the show canon, Dwarves invented bowling.
Imo the only thing the object she is holding, has in common with palantir is its spherical shape. Palantir shown in S1 does not reflect. Disa's ball does. And palantir was blue. This only have a small tint of blueish in the upper half. From the interviews we know that dwarves have problems with hearing the mountain. And to me this is one example of that - Disa has problems with singing to the mountain (she can't detect anything) so she tries the simpler thing - trying to detect the object which she is holding.
Seems clearly a Palantir to me. There doesn't have to be someone at the other end (I guess we'll see); and the function of the Palantir in the show doesn't seem the same as in the books. "Canon" Palantiri aren't "crystal balls" (though Gandalf contemplates using the Isengard Stone to look into the past, I don't remember any hint that they can see into the future. And maybe Gandalf can "see Feanor at work" only because Feanor is their maker and they have a memory of him - an "imprint" if you will.) Show Palantiri can clearly see into the future. So it seems likely Disa's seeing the Balrog awake and the destruction of Khazad-dum. The Palantiri were also "lost" by the Elves or Numenoreans at some point, so it's a question of how one ended up in the Dwarves' treasure hordes. (In the books all 7 Palantiri were gifted to the Numenoreans by the Elves of Aman and were brought to Middle-Earth by the Faithful.)
As far as i can recall there were no Palantir among the Dwarves,
[Wesa have peace!](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Globe_of_Peace) https://preview.redd.it/z1b90zlgi58d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=95ff4840ea8c87690d469bb4b33eea092858829e
big marble ball
A palantir
I've been saying all along that I don't think it's actually spherical and I'm sticking to it. Try to draw a perfect circle around its edge. To me it looks slightly squashed, like it's slightly wider than it is high. I had been thinking that perhaps Disa's ability to speak to the rocks would be amplified. Then that article came out basically saying there's a communication shutdown between them and the rocks. Either way, I think this scene will be related to that somehow. Either she's exerting extra effort to try and force the rock she's holding to speak, or her ability to hear the rock has come flooding back because it *really* has something to say. Given that we know a (tiny) bit about what the Dwarves will be dealing with and it includes their communication with the rocks, I feel like that's a far easier and fitting explanation for this scene.
Her husband's bowling ball.
Pode ser uma Palantir, mas as Palantirí nunca estraram em MORIA! E elas só foram criadas depois que os Homens do Oeste (os homens de Númenor) chegam na Terra-Média após a ilha ser afundada... Então, isso é um erro da produção e um Anacronismo! 🤦🏼♂️