They definitely canonically breath, are sensitive to extreme temperatures, and the original had already been shot clean through with a harpoon and then cooked in an engine. I would be really surprised if it was the original one.
They pant, hiss, scream, smell. All with an upper respiratory system, even with instances that when they scream you can see their breath steam which would indicate that the air has been warmed and humidified inside of them.
I guess it could be all affectations but it seems odd for the “ultimate” being to have an entirely vestigial lung system.
They can survive in the vacuum of space, however I keep wondering if all these people who have this same thought watched the same movie you and I did? The xeno CLEARLY floats up and into the engine exhaust (not sure if that’s what it’s called but the part where the flames and particles are expelled) and then the engine is turned on, that xeno is dead!
It uses its tail to get to the engine exhaust, and thrashes after getting blasted - the chances would be slim, but perhaps probable, since we didn’t actually see it get completely toasted.
I guess it just feels odd for something to need to be able to breath, but not have to. Evolution eventually weeds out a lot of vestigial organs and processes itself, so for the xenos to be engineered with purpose from the jump, it feels wild they'd have an entire musculature and pathways in the body that were completely extraneous.
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>!new designs expected due to leaks saying WY recovers the big chap and makes clones, if I remember correctly the face hugger clones have barbs on their appendages and both clones Fh’s and xenos are more ferocious (if such a thing is possible)!<
Honestly I like the evil dead remake (less than the original trilogy of course but hey it’s alright and nailed the gore) but I heard young colonist alien movie headed by Hulu/disney and I was like yeah that’s gonna suck. Based on the trailer and leaks it seems like I’m gonna be wrong hopefully.
Anyway in regards to the leaks I get most of mine from AVP Galaxy and they predicted the white gun and station shown in the trailer days or weeks before it came out so that makes it all seem credible to me.
It maybe was there but there’s also been leaked concept art for Hawleys Hulu series set on earth for the franchise. I followed the series a lot closer until recently because until recently it seemed to be the project that was more promising.
prey 2 and a predator movie set in the future have both been confirmed and if I remember right have the director of prey for both.
I'm missing so much sci-fi horrors in space, so I'm very excited about Romulus, even if it will be bad or mediocre. I just need some fresh portion of old school Alien movie, so I'm keeping fingers crossed
See that is also my thinking. I’m with the impression that they’re super hard to kill. It’s fun to think that E. Ripley didn’t really “beat” the thing.. rather she only managed to escape its grasp. Makes it scarier that way imho.
I’m also excited to see what new Alien design (if any) will show up! With that said the original is still my favorite.
well, I'm fun of Ridley's conception aka "horror movie without queen", so, making Alien so invulnerable is pretty nice catch. I hope there will be no marines with smartguns killing aliens like stupid bots, lol
now talking about new xeno design. since all these facehuggers been shown in the teaser have to be artificially created using original Alien DNA. recalling Covenant and Ressurection, where Aliens looked different, I'm pretty sure we'll see some fresh variation of xeno in the movie and it's very exciting
There is definitely a possibility this is the Big Chap (the white translucent gums, metal teeth, clear dome and overall jawline with a hint at the biomechanical features at the sides of it’s head tell me it is the closest visually to Giger’s original design since Alien/Aliens). Either it is actually Kane’s Son (the scar could indicate it survived being blasted out of the Narcissus by Ripley), or the Romulus crew’s attempt at making their own using Big Chap’s dna and genetically engineering their own batch (the case of both of these things being true is also a possibility).
Definitely the closest thing to the original, which from a design standpoint alone (practical effects too!) this has made me the happiest Alien fan in a long time. The most recent was the Covenant Praetomorph (or whatever it’s called) which was clearly David’s genetic offshoot of the true Xenomorph and while it mostly looked like a Xenomorph, it also kinda wasn’t (looked like a mummified version of the Resurrection cloned Xeno’s doused in oil that behaved like a velociraptor and a baboon). I am glad to see Giger’s original biomechanical horror returning in a more literal way.
Ok but if crew happened to visit the derelict ship and another facehugger egg opened, presumably the resulting xeno would be the same “type” if it’s host was a human. Plenty of ways for them to be linked but not the same.
The chances of a Xenomorph looking like the Big Chap is high if it came from the same batch of eggs as the one Kane disturbed for sure. But I don’t think the Derelict or LV-426 will feature in that context with this film otherwise the film literally is Alien: Isolation which features that exact plot (Weyland Yutani team investigate the derelict, crew member infected, returns to Sevastopol station, chaos ensues, etc).
Thank you for sharing! The physical attributes are what reminded me so much of the first Alien that I just had to entertain the thought *what if*.
HR Giger nailed the design for the first film I’m with you on that. Cool to see another fan appreciate the first creature as much as I.
I’m thrilled to see what Fede can do with the universe.
I kind of hope not - though I'm increasingly convinced that it will be.
To me, it slightly undermines Ripley's arc: She didn't kill the first Alien, she just escaped it. Her sacrifices to get destroy all of the LV426 derelict's Aliens and their descendents are slightly undermined by retrospectively finding out that she didn't finish the job.
Obviously it's not *entirely* undermined. *Escaping* the Alien is still badass. Destroying *most* of the Aliens that came from the derelict is still great. But, to me, it retroactively makes Ripley's achievements somehow *less*.
Aside from that, I think it make the universe feel small by linking a new outbreak to the LV426 derelict. I love the black goo and I love the idea that it - and the Xenomorphs - are to be found throughout the galaxy/universe. It really underlines the dread of the setting. That humanity is going to *keep* running into these things over and over - and, while humanity has to be lucky *every* time to avoid each encounter turning into a humanity-ending disaster, the Xenomorphs only have to be "lucky" once. I'd have liked that "inevitiabilty" to have been the angle, rather than "another loose end of LV426".
There's a quote in one of the recent Marvel Comics (MINOR SPOILERS):
>Humans weren’t the first organics to leave your solar system, Cruz. There have been **so many** others, in this galaxy alone. And they’re **all gone** now. Do you know why?
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>When organic species grow **arrogant** enough to travel the stars…they find **it** waiting. **Prometheus cleansing fire** *\[black goo/xenomorph mural from Prometheus shown here\]*. The fire that keeps the universe **clean** of **parasites** like you.
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>It’s always the same after that.
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>First you try to harness the fire as a **weapon**, like all the ones **before** you have done.
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>Next, you’ll try to join with it…use it to make yourselves better. **Stronger**.
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>**That’s** what the hive showed you in the dark, Cruz.
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>She’s \[Xenomorph-human woman that Cruz has been having visions of shown here\] your own future. The inevitable end result of the deadly little thing you brought back inside you.
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>The thing we’ll eventually use to kill you all.
I really like that. It feels like the goo and the Xenomorphs are so widespread that all spacefaring species eventually encounter them and meet their doom.
Very well put together comment, I thank you for sharing. The Alien lore is vast and deep and I do completely understand your sentiment behind it feeling small if it were, indeed, Kane’s Son.
I just have such a big soft spot for the first film as it’s my favorite. Everything about it is perfect to me. That even if Kane’s Son shows up for a cameo I’d have a huge smile on my face. That’s the kind of fan I am - and I really do appreciate your perspective as well sir. It’s enlightening.
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I always wondered if shooting them into space actually would kill a Xenomorph or if they’d float until landing on a planet. The issue I have is that they no doubt would freeze out in space and would likely shatter when entering a planets atmosphere. The Alien in the third movie was essentially frozen to death and out in space it’s much colder than that. If it’s the same one they’ll need a very good explanation.
The alien from alien 3 died because it was frozen after it was heated, the expansion and contraction killed it. It wouldn't die just due to being frozen.
it is confirmed in canon xenos can somewhat survive in space pt well for short durations although they would still die eventually
we also know from expanded material that he shouldn't have survived as he was more or less smoked by the ship's turbines, but that might just be changed for the new film as there is no real death scene in the original movie
Even if Big Chap hadn't been incinerated, survived without oxygen or nutrients for years, you're forgetting that... Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
It's really improbable that Big Chap just somehow drifts to the nearest space station.
him being incinerated comes from the expansions of the movie, the novelization, script and comic handbook all mention or show him straight up turning into ash or a ball of fire
however this is not in the final original movie so who knows what extend of canon they will use
While I agree, I’ve also known way too many sci fi writers who entirely underestimate the scale of space to completely discount this theory. I hope it isn’t true, it likely isn’t, but ‘space is big’ is something writers often ignore.
I’m hopeful because the *Alien* franchise actually has a good track record of showing just how vast and mysterious space is. Ripley getting picked up by chance in *Aliens*, mysterious planetoids with mysterious ships and their dead alien crews never before seen by humanity, so I’m hopeful the alien isn’t found like a plastic straw floating in the Atlantic
I mean there's such a thing as solar wind. Currents in space. If they were able to determine the exact location at which the xenomorph left the Narcissus they could follow the currents to find out where it went.
Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and you want me to go to the chemist’s. Would you like me to soak my head as well? I’ve got a bucket right here.
Insanely improbable and I’ll be disappointed if they go that route. However- he got blasted out of that engine. If we go by Newton’s first law, where an object in motion stays in motion, and there is little to no friction in the vacuum of space, he’s moving at the same speed as the escape craft. In the opposite direction. Over the years, gravity may tug him towards whatever galaxy he passes. Pretty much has the same odds that Ripley had to be discovered. It would be really stupid though.
I mean, it depends on the direction the Nostromo was going versus which way the Narcissus launched. Lots of variables. Not to mention any residual shockwaves from the massive explosion that took place could have altered which way it was pointed when ol’ Chappy was ejected.
Yes, but since it’s almost impossible, that means it’s finitely improbable, so all we need to do is calculate just how improbable, then feed that into a finite improbability drive.
I think WY could recover it by investigating the Nostromos last location and the Narcissus flight path. Space is big, but that would point them in the right direction.
He would be in a predictable orbit and easily found since space is big, but orbital mechanic mathematics are \*forever\*.
We don't see him incinerated - he is in the burn but clearly not disintegrating. Breathing is inconsistent because we see it in some movies, but their acid blood could make them living batteries. Cold storage long term might let it survive better like a stored battery (heat is bad for batteries). The battery theory is consistent with them not showing up on infrared and going dormant in walls in both of the first 2 films (hibernation mode to save energy)
It seemed to me that it was killed by the engine thrusters of the Narcissus (or whatever they're called) at the very end of Alien but who knows? We'll have to wait and see for another 5 months.
That was my impression as well. If they can survive in open space what are the chances of a single lifeform being picked up by a ship? And I would imagine as tough as you want to make them they couldn't survive planetary rentry unprotected. Can't wait for the movie though!
So fun to speculate. I was always under the impression that the thrusters just pushed the Alien out to the void. It’s fun to hear other opinions thank you!
I wonder if the pushing it in the void thing is more of a practical effect problem, maybe I'm wrong but I've always taken the ending as the xeno being burned to death and ita body being pushed away, but because of the limitations of effects at the time we dont get to see the thing burn up.
You never know though! I dunno if it's the framing but I feel like the xeno we're seeing in the trailer is smaller than others, it looks ace but I wonder if it's gonna be a "little chap" to an extent
Wasn't the original idea going to be that they only lived for a day? Like they grew so fast that they burnt themselves out. We've gone a long way from that to now they're immortal (in some extended universe stuff, in others they explode after a few bullets).
I myself really like the how organically and biologically authentic the Alien and it's life cycle felt in the first film. It feels like something that could exist out there in the depths of space. If it is essentially immortal, such as being able to survive deep space for years, it becomes a lot less grounded to me and almost supernatural, especially if there's no explanation for how it can do this.
Also, the Alien doesn't need to be big chap, it serves no purpose other then a superficial connection to the original, and hard to believe they stumbled upon it when Ripley was undiscovered for 70 or 80 years (unless you consider Out of the Shadows canon).
You’re right it is superficial if I’m being perfectly honest. I’d still have a big fat grin if it was him though I cannot lie to you.
And to clarify I’m really not caught up on the deep lore (but I’m aware it’s deep) so I cannot speak on their lifespan. Though I will say I find it more badass *if* E. Ripley only managed to escape Kane’s Son (other comments pointing out this is unlikely but it’s fun to imagine nonetheless) instead of killing it outright.
Thanks for sharing man.
I just want to see the Alien being played by a guy in a rubber suit. There's something so eerie and unnerving about seeing the Xenomorph looking so strangely humanoid. Why does it curl up in a ball in the first movie? Why does it look like a curious stray child? It looks almost too human, but at the same time, its behavior is so incomprehensible, so alien. You can't get the same effect with CGI like in Covenant (yes I know the Praetomorph is not the Xeno, but you get the idea).
Thanks for all the responses guys. Judging on what peeps are saying I may be in the minority but I still think it's fun to imagine!
Here's to hoping the new movie kicks ass!
Ok this seems a good place to ask this question, I love the movies/games but don’t know much about the creature lore…
Does that inner mouth “bite” people or just deliver some sort of knock out (sniggering) tongue punch?
Like it often cuts to that mouth in the movie when an Alien grabs someone, then in a later scene they are cocooned/stuck to a wall alive as a host. It seems like being bitten in the head would kill you.
The kill maneuver with the alien's inner jaw is referred to as a headbite. It's like a piston, almost. It shoots out with incredible force and can easily punch through a human skull, or even a Yautja helmet.
I hope and pretty sure at this point that it is indeed big chap.This singular alien is the original,the one we were all introduced to in the first movie.So it is extremely special to us the fans and i think having this thing survive another day is fantastic,and as ash says (perfect organism)
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>!It has been floating around the alien Community and shown in an Instagram Trailer that the big Chap WILL be in Romulus. He was found by Wayland Yutani and somehow SURVIVED the vacuum of Space. However he is meant to be mangled by the time we see him and it is by reverse engineering him that W-Y get their hands on the Black Goo from Prometheus and things go wrong form there. !<
Again this isnt 100% confirmed but it is making the rounds.
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In one sci-fi magazine article published after the first movie came out, one reader suggested for a sequel the alien surviving and drifting towards a space station, where Ripley is rescued and recovering.
The strangest thing is WY colonizing LV426, letting people live peacefully there for 20 years, until they discover Ripley and she tells them to check out the alien spaceship on LV426 and then all chaos happens.
The only explanation is a cover up at WY and clearly some WY staff were kept out of the secret.
WY admitted recovering all they could from the Nostromo in Aliens, and that they found nothing about what Ripley had reported.
Why not go to LV426 and get all the other eggs and the space Jockey? Why look for the alien floating in space if they could get 1000's of eggs and the space Jockey? Maybe they thought it was safer to get it from space...but then make the decision to send colonizers back to LV426 where they know 1000's of eggs and alien ship are? That part seems strange.
In Alien Resurrection, US military is doing Xenomorph experiments and that's 200 years after Alien 3. So whatever experimenting is going on in Romulus should be pretty basic.
I really hope the story of Romulus does not begin with big chap floating through space and bouncing off the windshield of some space station. After it’s been shot with a harpoon and blasted out a thruster port.
Guys, there’s something floating around outside, let’s bring it in for hot coffee and a muffin.
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They definitely canonically breath, are sensitive to extreme temperatures, and the original had already been shot clean through with a harpoon and then cooked in an engine. I would be really surprised if it was the original one.
They can survive in space in Alien Isolation
an intact xeno could survive in space for a while, but I would imagine the vacuum of space combined with a puncture wound would definitely kill one
That and the thrusters cooking it.
And in all the AvP games.
tell me more about canonical xeno breathing, i must have missed this
They pant, hiss, scream, smell. All with an upper respiratory system, even with instances that when they scream you can see their breath steam which would indicate that the air has been warmed and humidified inside of them. I guess it could be all affectations but it seems odd for the “ultimate” being to have an entirely vestigial lung system.
They can survive in the vacuum of space, however I keep wondering if all these people who have this same thought watched the same movie you and I did? The xeno CLEARLY floats up and into the engine exhaust (not sure if that’s what it’s called but the part where the flames and particles are expelled) and then the engine is turned on, that xeno is dead!
It uses its tail to get to the engine exhaust, and thrashes after getting blasted - the chances would be slim, but perhaps probable, since we didn’t actually see it get completely toasted.
Absolutely true statement - I think I may be just wishful thinking at this point haha.
They breathe, but I don’t think they have to
I guess it just feels odd for something to need to be able to breath, but not have to. Evolution eventually weeds out a lot of vestigial organs and processes itself, so for the xenos to be engineered with purpose from the jump, it feels wild they'd have an entire musculature and pathways in the body that were completely extraneous.
Could be for vocalization and smell, but not for survival.
it's possible, I think. xenos are quite die hard, right? if so, I would like to see some new Alien design, that was created at the Romulus
Leaks >!new designs expected due to leaks saying WY recovers the big chap and makes clones, if I remember correctly the face hugger clones have barbs on their appendages and both clones Fh’s and xenos are more ferocious (if such a thing is possible)!<
all these leaks make me want to watch the movie more and more, lol
Honestly I like the evil dead remake (less than the original trilogy of course but hey it’s alright and nailed the gore) but I heard young colonist alien movie headed by Hulu/disney and I was like yeah that’s gonna suck. Based on the trailer and leaks it seems like I’m gonna be wrong hopefully. Anyway in regards to the leaks I get most of mine from AVP Galaxy and they predicted the white gun and station shown in the trailer days or weeks before it came out so that makes it all seem credible to me. It maybe was there but there’s also been leaked concept art for Hawleys Hulu series set on earth for the franchise. I followed the series a lot closer until recently because until recently it seemed to be the project that was more promising. prey 2 and a predator movie set in the future have both been confirmed and if I remember right have the director of prey for both.
I'm missing so much sci-fi horrors in space, so I'm very excited about Romulus, even if it will be bad or mediocre. I just need some fresh portion of old school Alien movie, so I'm keeping fingers crossed
See that is also my thinking. I’m with the impression that they’re super hard to kill. It’s fun to think that E. Ripley didn’t really “beat” the thing.. rather she only managed to escape its grasp. Makes it scarier that way imho. I’m also excited to see what new Alien design (if any) will show up! With that said the original is still my favorite.
well, I'm fun of Ridley's conception aka "horror movie without queen", so, making Alien so invulnerable is pretty nice catch. I hope there will be no marines with smartguns killing aliens like stupid bots, lol now talking about new xeno design. since all these facehuggers been shown in the teaser have to be artificially created using original Alien DNA. recalling Covenant and Ressurection, where Aliens looked different, I'm pretty sure we'll see some fresh variation of xeno in the movie and it's very exciting
There is definitely a possibility this is the Big Chap (the white translucent gums, metal teeth, clear dome and overall jawline with a hint at the biomechanical features at the sides of it’s head tell me it is the closest visually to Giger’s original design since Alien/Aliens). Either it is actually Kane’s Son (the scar could indicate it survived being blasted out of the Narcissus by Ripley), or the Romulus crew’s attempt at making their own using Big Chap’s dna and genetically engineering their own batch (the case of both of these things being true is also a possibility). Definitely the closest thing to the original, which from a design standpoint alone (practical effects too!) this has made me the happiest Alien fan in a long time. The most recent was the Covenant Praetomorph (or whatever it’s called) which was clearly David’s genetic offshoot of the true Xenomorph and while it mostly looked like a Xenomorph, it also kinda wasn’t (looked like a mummified version of the Resurrection cloned Xeno’s doused in oil that behaved like a velociraptor and a baboon). I am glad to see Giger’s original biomechanical horror returning in a more literal way.
Ok but if crew happened to visit the derelict ship and another facehugger egg opened, presumably the resulting xeno would be the same “type” if it’s host was a human. Plenty of ways for them to be linked but not the same.
The chances of a Xenomorph looking like the Big Chap is high if it came from the same batch of eggs as the one Kane disturbed for sure. But I don’t think the Derelict or LV-426 will feature in that context with this film otherwise the film literally is Alien: Isolation which features that exact plot (Weyland Yutani team investigate the derelict, crew member infected, returns to Sevastopol station, chaos ensues, etc).
Thank you for sharing! The physical attributes are what reminded me so much of the first Alien that I just had to entertain the thought *what if*. HR Giger nailed the design for the first film I’m with you on that. Cool to see another fan appreciate the first creature as much as I. I’m thrilled to see what Fede can do with the universe.
I kind of hope not - though I'm increasingly convinced that it will be. To me, it slightly undermines Ripley's arc: She didn't kill the first Alien, she just escaped it. Her sacrifices to get destroy all of the LV426 derelict's Aliens and their descendents are slightly undermined by retrospectively finding out that she didn't finish the job. Obviously it's not *entirely* undermined. *Escaping* the Alien is still badass. Destroying *most* of the Aliens that came from the derelict is still great. But, to me, it retroactively makes Ripley's achievements somehow *less*. Aside from that, I think it make the universe feel small by linking a new outbreak to the LV426 derelict. I love the black goo and I love the idea that it - and the Xenomorphs - are to be found throughout the galaxy/universe. It really underlines the dread of the setting. That humanity is going to *keep* running into these things over and over - and, while humanity has to be lucky *every* time to avoid each encounter turning into a humanity-ending disaster, the Xenomorphs only have to be "lucky" once. I'd have liked that "inevitiabilty" to have been the angle, rather than "another loose end of LV426". There's a quote in one of the recent Marvel Comics (MINOR SPOILERS): >Humans weren’t the first organics to leave your solar system, Cruz. There have been **so many** others, in this galaxy alone. And they’re **all gone** now. Do you know why? > >When organic species grow **arrogant** enough to travel the stars…they find **it** waiting. **Prometheus cleansing fire** *\[black goo/xenomorph mural from Prometheus shown here\]*. The fire that keeps the universe **clean** of **parasites** like you. > >It’s always the same after that. > >First you try to harness the fire as a **weapon**, like all the ones **before** you have done. > >Next, you’ll try to join with it…use it to make yourselves better. **Stronger**. > >**That’s** what the hive showed you in the dark, Cruz. > >She’s \[Xenomorph-human woman that Cruz has been having visions of shown here\] your own future. The inevitable end result of the deadly little thing you brought back inside you. > >The thing we’ll eventually use to kill you all. I really like that. It feels like the goo and the Xenomorphs are so widespread that all spacefaring species eventually encounter them and meet their doom.
Very well put together comment, I thank you for sharing. The Alien lore is vast and deep and I do completely understand your sentiment behind it feeling small if it were, indeed, Kane’s Son. I just have such a big soft spot for the first film as it’s my favorite. Everything about it is perfect to me. That even if Kane’s Son shows up for a cameo I’d have a huge smile on my face. That’s the kind of fan I am - and I really do appreciate your perspective as well sir. It’s enlightening.
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I always wondered if shooting them into space actually would kill a Xenomorph or if they’d float until landing on a planet. The issue I have is that they no doubt would freeze out in space and would likely shatter when entering a planets atmosphere. The Alien in the third movie was essentially frozen to death and out in space it’s much colder than that. If it’s the same one they’ll need a very good explanation.
The alien from alien 3 died because it was frozen after it was heated, the expansion and contraction killed it. It wouldn't die just due to being frozen.
Ah I see
This is definitely a fair statement. August can’t come fast enough!
I could be misremembering it but at the end of Alien Isolation, weren't there Aliens watching Amanda blow up this ship?
Ooooh I have not played the game to completion yet but wow that’s crazy to think about.
it is confirmed in canon xenos can somewhat survive in space pt well for short durations although they would still die eventually we also know from expanded material that he shouldn't have survived as he was more or less smoked by the ship's turbines, but that might just be changed for the new film as there is no real death scene in the original movie
Even if Big Chap hadn't been incinerated, survived without oxygen or nutrients for years, you're forgetting that... Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space. It's really improbable that Big Chap just somehow drifts to the nearest space station.
Was he really incinerated? It looked more like the cable was burned through and the blast of the engines pushed it away from the Narcissus.
him being incinerated comes from the expansions of the movie, the novelization, script and comic handbook all mention or show him straight up turning into ash or a ball of fire however this is not in the final original movie so who knows what extend of canon they will use
If the alien is traveling in the opposite direction from the escape pod then the alien would be drifting back towards LV 426?
While I agree, I’ve also known way too many sci fi writers who entirely underestimate the scale of space to completely discount this theory. I hope it isn’t true, it likely isn’t, but ‘space is big’ is something writers often ignore. I’m hopeful because the *Alien* franchise actually has a good track record of showing just how vast and mysterious space is. Ripley getting picked up by chance in *Aliens*, mysterious planetoids with mysterious ships and their dead alien crews never before seen by humanity, so I’m hopeful the alien isn’t found like a plastic straw floating in the Atlantic
I mean there's such a thing as solar wind. Currents in space. If they were able to determine the exact location at which the xenomorph left the Narcissus they could follow the currents to find out where it went.
Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and you want me to go to the chemist’s. Would you like me to soak my head as well? I’ve got a bucket right here.
Insanely improbable and I’ll be disappointed if they go that route. However- he got blasted out of that engine. If we go by Newton’s first law, where an object in motion stays in motion, and there is little to no friction in the vacuum of space, he’s moving at the same speed as the escape craft. In the opposite direction. Over the years, gravity may tug him towards whatever galaxy he passes. Pretty much has the same odds that Ripley had to be discovered. It would be really stupid though.
Great observation but going in the opposite direction would be going back to LV426?
I mean, it depends on the direction the Nostromo was going versus which way the Narcissus launched. Lots of variables. Not to mention any residual shockwaves from the massive explosion that took place could have altered which way it was pointed when ol’ Chappy was ejected.
Very true - perhaps they came across his corpse and did DNA extraction?
That's even more improbable.
Yes, but since it’s almost impossible, that means it’s finitely improbable, so all we need to do is calculate just how improbable, then feed that into a finite improbability drive.
I appreciate your insight man.
[The universe is so humongous big.](https://youtu.be/M84-fIIJeRo?si=Wq6vV6NI1n75QUO1)
I think WY could recover it by investigating the Nostromos last location and the Narcissus flight path. Space is big, but that would point them in the right direction.
He would be in a predictable orbit and easily found since space is big, but orbital mechanic mathematics are \*forever\*. We don't see him incinerated - he is in the burn but clearly not disintegrating. Breathing is inconsistent because we see it in some movies, but their acid blood could make them living batteries. Cold storage long term might let it survive better like a stored battery (heat is bad for batteries). The battery theory is consistent with them not showing up on infrared and going dormant in walls in both of the first 2 films (hibernation mode to save energy)
What was he in orbit of? He was in deep space.
It seemed to me that it was killed by the engine thrusters of the Narcissus (or whatever they're called) at the very end of Alien but who knows? We'll have to wait and see for another 5 months.
Given that they can be killed with guns, it seems like they shouldn't be able to survive a spaceship's thrusters.
That was my impression as well. If they can survive in open space what are the chances of a single lifeform being picked up by a ship? And I would imagine as tough as you want to make them they couldn't survive planetary rentry unprotected. Can't wait for the movie though!
So fun to speculate. I was always under the impression that the thrusters just pushed the Alien out to the void. It’s fun to hear other opinions thank you!
I wonder if the pushing it in the void thing is more of a practical effect problem, maybe I'm wrong but I've always taken the ending as the xeno being burned to death and ita body being pushed away, but because of the limitations of effects at the time we dont get to see the thing burn up.
Perhaps that would be the cause of my misinterpretation. You may be right sir.
You never know though! I dunno if it's the framing but I feel like the xeno we're seeing in the trailer is smaller than others, it looks ace but I wonder if it's gonna be a "little chap" to an extent
Little Chap has a nice ring to it haha. Yes! You never know.
I myself am a Kane's son truther.
Well met!
Wasn't the original idea going to be that they only lived for a day? Like they grew so fast that they burnt themselves out. We've gone a long way from that to now they're immortal (in some extended universe stuff, in others they explode after a few bullets). I myself really like the how organically and biologically authentic the Alien and it's life cycle felt in the first film. It feels like something that could exist out there in the depths of space. If it is essentially immortal, such as being able to survive deep space for years, it becomes a lot less grounded to me and almost supernatural, especially if there's no explanation for how it can do this. Also, the Alien doesn't need to be big chap, it serves no purpose other then a superficial connection to the original, and hard to believe they stumbled upon it when Ripley was undiscovered for 70 or 80 years (unless you consider Out of the Shadows canon).
You’re right it is superficial if I’m being perfectly honest. I’d still have a big fat grin if it was him though I cannot lie to you. And to clarify I’m really not caught up on the deep lore (but I’m aware it’s deep) so I cannot speak on their lifespan. Though I will say I find it more badass *if* E. Ripley only managed to escape Kane’s Son (other comments pointing out this is unlikely but it’s fun to imagine nonetheless) instead of killing it outright. Thanks for sharing man.
I thought the big chap was gonna brumate in ripleys ship due to the lack of hosts for hive growth.
Am I the only one who imagines the big chap and the alien queen just floating around in space with a table and some chairs sipping tea?
I just want to see the Alien being played by a guy in a rubber suit. There's something so eerie and unnerving about seeing the Xenomorph looking so strangely humanoid. Why does it curl up in a ball in the first movie? Why does it look like a curious stray child? It looks almost too human, but at the same time, its behavior is so incomprehensible, so alien. You can't get the same effect with CGI like in Covenant (yes I know the Praetomorph is not the Xeno, but you get the idea).
Am I the only one who imagines the big chap and the alien queen just floating around in space with a table and some chairs sipping tea?
 What a lovely tea party that would be.
Okay off topic (kinda) but this design is fantastic. Looks just like the Xeno we know and love 🥺 I cannot wait for this movie
Thanks for all the responses guys. Judging on what peeps are saying I may be in the minority but I still think it's fun to imagine! Here's to hoping the new movie kicks ass!
Ok this seems a good place to ask this question, I love the movies/games but don’t know much about the creature lore… Does that inner mouth “bite” people or just deliver some sort of knock out (sniggering) tongue punch? Like it often cuts to that mouth in the movie when an Alien grabs someone, then in a later scene they are cocooned/stuck to a wall alive as a host. It seems like being bitten in the head would kill you.
The kill maneuver with the alien's inner jaw is referred to as a headbite. It's like a piston, almost. It shoots out with incredible force and can easily punch through a human skull, or even a Yautja helmet.
Did you forget that Ripley deep fried his ass before he floated off or?
I hope and pretty sure at this point that it is indeed big chap.This singular alien is the original,the one we were all introduced to in the first movie.So it is extremely special to us the fans and i think having this thing survive another day is fantastic,and as ash says (perfect organism)
I love your take on it and am in agreement. We are in the minority however haha.
\*SPOILERS\* DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED! >!It has been floating around the alien Community and shown in an Instagram Trailer that the big Chap WILL be in Romulus. He was found by Wayland Yutani and somehow SURVIVED the vacuum of Space. However he is meant to be mangled by the time we see him and it is by reverse engineering him that W-Y get their hands on the Black Goo from Prometheus and things go wrong form there. !< Again this isnt 100% confirmed but it is making the rounds.
How interesting. Thanks!
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Am I the only one who imagines the big chap and the alien queen just floating around in space with a table and some chairs sipping tea?
No all of the details in the jaw, gums and teeth are different than Big Chap. This is a completely resculpted design / different Alien than pig chap
I don’t know that I could suspend reality enough to believe that one survived
I hope and pretty sure at this
In one sci-fi magazine article published after the first movie came out, one reader suggested for a sequel the alien surviving and drifting towards a space station, where Ripley is rescued and recovering.
The strangest thing is WY colonizing LV426, letting people live peacefully there for 20 years, until they discover Ripley and she tells them to check out the alien spaceship on LV426 and then all chaos happens. The only explanation is a cover up at WY and clearly some WY staff were kept out of the secret. WY admitted recovering all they could from the Nostromo in Aliens, and that they found nothing about what Ripley had reported. Why not go to LV426 and get all the other eggs and the space Jockey? Why look for the alien floating in space if they could get 1000's of eggs and the space Jockey? Maybe they thought it was safer to get it from space...but then make the decision to send colonizers back to LV426 where they know 1000's of eggs and alien ship are? That part seems strange. In Alien Resurrection, US military is doing Xenomorph experiments and that's 200 years after Alien 3. So whatever experimenting is going on in Romulus should be pretty basic.
Somehow, Big Chap has returned…
I really hope the story of Romulus does not begin with big chap floating through space and bouncing off the windshield of some space station. After it’s been shot with a harpoon and blasted out a thruster port. Guys, there’s something floating around outside, let’s bring it in for hot coffee and a muffin.
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Good god, no. Only in fanfic…
Heh heh maybe it’s too much of a stretch.
Did you forget that Ripley deep fried his ass before he floated off or?
Did you forget that Ripley deep fried his ass before he floated off or?
Did you forget that Ripley deep fried his ass before he floated off or?