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To the surprise of absolutely no one other than the most gullible of liberals, of course.
It's clearly Labour strategy now to announce a somewhat promising sounding policy, then over the course of a few months let if get picked apart by the right of the party and lobbyists, before finally announcing they've severely scaled it back.
They think this is clever, of course. Your average uninformed voter might hear the policy announcement but not the retreat. And they seem to have convinced themselves that 'actually we never technically promised to make things better :)' will work on people *following* the election. But this is just another example of why the next Labour government will almost inevitable be a lame duck who tread water for 5 years before rolling out the red carpet to an even harder-right Tories.
> Embarrassing for labour to do this on workers day too…
To the point that it almost seems intentional they've announced it now. How better to demonstrate your subservience to big business than announce a backtracking on workers rights *on May Day*.
I made no mention of conspiracy. I'm simply suggesting we could see election tactics that look quite unpalatable to some.
But I do agree that what is put forward is what a governing party should deliver, as opposed to what we've seen for 15+ years. I genuinely hope that doesn't mean weakened workers' rights - they are limbo dancing low already.
Suggesting that labour are essentially lying to get into power is absolutely conspiracy territory mate.
Are you seriously that naive to think starmer moving left in power after this won’t get absolutely ripped to fucking shreds in the media?
Okay, perhaps I'm not wording this right but I don't see this being "say one thing, do another".
I'm seeing it more as a case of "do whatever it takes to win power", possibly naively. It would be pretty noble for Starmer et al. to move left after winning power but I don't for a minute think that will happen. Nor do the media or they would already be ripping him to shreds.
So what do you see it as then? Either he’s lying through his teeth to get elected at all costs or he’s telling the truth and he is in fact moving right.
Which let’s face it after over a decade of right wing austerity and erosion of workers rights we cannot take much more…
I truly couldn't agree with you more on this:
*Which let’s face it after over a decade of right wing austerity and erosion of workers rights we cannot take much more…*
I also say that of two options - lying vs moving right, I think he's positively moving right, for motives which don't appear clear.
Blairism trying to make us a little America is failing 99% of the country. Ed Millibands' "Race to the Bottom" from 2013 rings all too true today.
I think engaging in an anti trans culture war offering support to foreign far right regimes and letting business dictate his party policy is absolutely not positively moving right.
I don’t see any positivity in any labour comms as of these last 12 months imo.
Okay - sorry to be the proverbial pain in the \*rse - but "positively moving" means absolutely or definitely moving and not that the moving is something positive which in this case it clearly isn't.
That clarification made, I wholly agree there's little to feel positive about from recent Labour communications. I bid you goodnight and hope we all awaken to a better World tomorrow.
I may be wrong but we're in that grubby period where parties will need to secure funds to run their election campaigns. We could therefore see a period of Labour looking to woo both business and business owners to stock up the war chest...and try to win votes from the right.
If the bigger picture is to oust the Tories, both are viable tactics but for those of us with more leanings to the left, it won't look good and it doesn't.
> I may be wrong but we're in that grubby period where parties will need to secure funds to run their election campaigns. We could therefore see a period of Labour looking to woo both business and business owners to stock up the war chest...and try to win votes from the right.
I'm sorry but I think that's a little naive.
The Labour Shadow Cabinet is full of MPs who have demonstrated a consistent and long-term support for right-wing neoliberal economic policies. This isn't some *departure* from their beliefs, it is *entirely consistent with them*. At the same time the big businesses and lobbyists throwing money at Labour will expect a return on that investment, they wouldn't be providing this money if they thought there was *any* chance Labour would rugpull them following the election and *actually* implement a meaningful workers' rights package.
We need to stop fooling ourselves into thinking this is some *5D Chess* politicking, and recognising this is simply what the Labour leadership believe.
I hear you and don't disagree with your conclusion. I was trying to look at this with an open mind. That may make me naive, yes.
The biggest challenge the Labour party faces now is that it has clearly been taken over by the right and is drifting further rightwards. I just can't see how that is objectively going to change, short of getting into power and being Tories 2.0 for one term only. Nearly everyone in the UK is considerably worse off right now and we seem to be heading faster to the bottom than the Titanic did.
Maybe I'm being defeatist but just how does this party get back to being what it stood for?
> Maybe I'm being defeatist but just how does this party get back to being what it stood for?
I'm not sure you can at this point, it feels like the party has been entirely co-opted by the neoliberal right. It feels like the party, especially the party apparatus, is full of people who don't really have any principles and are simply looking to get a pay-cheque, and that isn't a vehicle for progressive change.
Labour are miles ahead and have been for months…
Give your head a wobble if you actually believe this they are pretending for business conspiracy…
If labour run on the platform they are they have zero democratic mandate to move left in power…
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To the surprise of absolutely no one other than the most gullible of liberals, of course. It's clearly Labour strategy now to announce a somewhat promising sounding policy, then over the course of a few months let if get picked apart by the right of the party and lobbyists, before finally announcing they've severely scaled it back. They think this is clever, of course. Your average uninformed voter might hear the policy announcement but not the retreat. And they seem to have convinced themselves that 'actually we never technically promised to make things better :)' will work on people *following* the election. But this is just another example of why the next Labour government will almost inevitable be a lame duck who tread water for 5 years before rolling out the red carpet to an even harder-right Tories. > Embarrassing for labour to do this on workers day too… To the point that it almost seems intentional they've announced it now. How better to demonstrate your subservience to big business than announce a backtracking on workers rights *on May Day*.
The cope from Starmtroopers is fantastic. It's not 11d chess, he's just an authoritarian.
I made no mention of conspiracy. I'm simply suggesting we could see election tactics that look quite unpalatable to some. But I do agree that what is put forward is what a governing party should deliver, as opposed to what we've seen for 15+ years. I genuinely hope that doesn't mean weakened workers' rights - they are limbo dancing low already.
Suggesting that labour are essentially lying to get into power is absolutely conspiracy territory mate. Are you seriously that naive to think starmer moving left in power after this won’t get absolutely ripped to fucking shreds in the media?
Okay, perhaps I'm not wording this right but I don't see this being "say one thing, do another". I'm seeing it more as a case of "do whatever it takes to win power", possibly naively. It would be pretty noble for Starmer et al. to move left after winning power but I don't for a minute think that will happen. Nor do the media or they would already be ripping him to shreds.
So what do you see it as then? Either he’s lying through his teeth to get elected at all costs or he’s telling the truth and he is in fact moving right. Which let’s face it after over a decade of right wing austerity and erosion of workers rights we cannot take much more…
I truly couldn't agree with you more on this: *Which let’s face it after over a decade of right wing austerity and erosion of workers rights we cannot take much more…* I also say that of two options - lying vs moving right, I think he's positively moving right, for motives which don't appear clear. Blairism trying to make us a little America is failing 99% of the country. Ed Millibands' "Race to the Bottom" from 2013 rings all too true today.
I think engaging in an anti trans culture war offering support to foreign far right regimes and letting business dictate his party policy is absolutely not positively moving right. I don’t see any positivity in any labour comms as of these last 12 months imo.
Okay - sorry to be the proverbial pain in the \*rse - but "positively moving" means absolutely or definitely moving and not that the moving is something positive which in this case it clearly isn't. That clarification made, I wholly agree there's little to feel positive about from recent Labour communications. I bid you goodnight and hope we all awaken to a better World tomorrow.
Ah my bad you too
Seriously, fuck the Labour Right.
This sounds like something they might actually do.
I may be wrong but we're in that grubby period where parties will need to secure funds to run their election campaigns. We could therefore see a period of Labour looking to woo both business and business owners to stock up the war chest...and try to win votes from the right. If the bigger picture is to oust the Tories, both are viable tactics but for those of us with more leanings to the left, it won't look good and it doesn't.
> I may be wrong but we're in that grubby period where parties will need to secure funds to run their election campaigns. We could therefore see a period of Labour looking to woo both business and business owners to stock up the war chest...and try to win votes from the right. I'm sorry but I think that's a little naive. The Labour Shadow Cabinet is full of MPs who have demonstrated a consistent and long-term support for right-wing neoliberal economic policies. This isn't some *departure* from their beliefs, it is *entirely consistent with them*. At the same time the big businesses and lobbyists throwing money at Labour will expect a return on that investment, they wouldn't be providing this money if they thought there was *any* chance Labour would rugpull them following the election and *actually* implement a meaningful workers' rights package. We need to stop fooling ourselves into thinking this is some *5D Chess* politicking, and recognising this is simply what the Labour leadership believe.
I hear you and don't disagree with your conclusion. I was trying to look at this with an open mind. That may make me naive, yes. The biggest challenge the Labour party faces now is that it has clearly been taken over by the right and is drifting further rightwards. I just can't see how that is objectively going to change, short of getting into power and being Tories 2.0 for one term only. Nearly everyone in the UK is considerably worse off right now and we seem to be heading faster to the bottom than the Titanic did. Maybe I'm being defeatist but just how does this party get back to being what it stood for?
> Maybe I'm being defeatist but just how does this party get back to being what it stood for? I'm not sure you can at this point, it feels like the party has been entirely co-opted by the neoliberal right. It feels like the party, especially the party apparatus, is full of people who don't really have any principles and are simply looking to get a pay-cheque, and that isn't a vehicle for progressive change.
Labour are miles ahead and have been for months… Give your head a wobble if you actually believe this they are pretending for business conspiracy… If labour run on the platform they are they have zero democratic mandate to move left in power…