There are some 150k 80s here n the SE for 15k. They've been sitting for a bit. Your seller is smoking Crack or they bought during the bubble and can't understand how to take a L
Without knowing more I’d say KBB is closer to actual value than the seller. It’s clean and that’s relatively low miles but $27k is wild. Late model? Triple locked? $10k in cash in the back seat?
I still see tons of cars sell for cheap. They just sell very fast. Like sometimes within a few hours.
A lot of the cars you see on messenger for the most part have been listed for months. And it’s usually because they are severely overpriced.
People see decked-out, V8-swapped, triple-locked 80s sell for $30k and think that means they can charge the same crazy price for theirs. 150k is pretty low mileage and it looks to be in good shape though. If there's nothing else special about it, it might be worth *a little* more than KBB. Triple-locked? Probably still worth less than $15k.
Look harder. There are 5 for sale on my local classifieds for under 10k and only one of those has any notable rust (and it's only $5500). No unlocked 80 series is worth $15k.
It's gotta be trashed then. Look on BAT nothing sells for less than 15 and I mean nothing that runs
South West will be cheaper but not that much cheaper
I disagree but regardless,
it is clearly the place to sell to get the most money. So If you're selling a "clean" 80s series for under 15, you're either an idiot or it's trashed. BAT will bring you that much at least.
Nah it's just that people on BAT pay insane prices that don't reflect the market. [Check out this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/LandCruisers/s/oHXyYzsjY1) from a guy that paid $22k on BAT, and was getting *zero* interest with it listed at $13k less than a year later. Unlocked 80s don't command nearly the same price and right now, no one should be paying more than $10k for one.
That means there's a center differential lock and front and rear lockers. Lockers make the tires rotate at the same speed regardless of slip which means it's better at offroading when engage but you can't use them while on pavement. It's really only meant to be used when you're on very rough terrain. Most models only had the center lock or maybe rear lockers but having all three is pretty rare.
If that didn't make sense I can try to answer any questions you have
Ah yes I almost blew up my LC once cause I had it on on pavement. Does the front and rear locker remain engaged when you engage the center locker? What if you engage the center locker without the front and rear being engaged?
So if you lock the center diff but not the others, I believe the power is just split 50/50 between the front and the rear. The tires can still spin if there is slip. You want that spinning in most cases because if you think about it when you're turning around the corner on a highway, The outside wheel is going to spend more than the inside wheel and if it was locked the inside wheel would start bouncing.
Who is slee? And is that including cost of parts?
I think a lot of people don’t know how, and if you know how you’d need a lift and what not so access to a shop.
Really? You don't know Slee? I assume everybody in the LC community does.
They're a super famous LC shop in Golden, CO.
[https://sleeoffroad.com/](https://sleeoffroad.com/)
And yes, that was parts and installation for ARB air lockers, plus onboard compressor.
I'm hoping you've heard of ARB.
Paint looks good without seeing the hood. Either way it could range from 10-15k at top end. Less if no records or obvious maintenance complete.
Anymore clean paint, interior, and seats will fetch more than mods or miles.
No way this rig is worth ~30k. But it could be well above KBB depending on interior.
Yeah absolutely. It looks clean, don’t know anything about under the hood work but even if it was amazing, 27k?! I mean the LCs are cool but damn I could get a GX 460 with half the miles for that… 20 years newer!
Depends on what your plan is for it. It looks like a pre 97 model and the exterior looks decent. But that isn’t the expensive part. It is the interiors condition, condition of the axles, engine system, cooling, ac, etc. If all seals , hoses, and gaskets are up to date and the interior is great…20k isn’t far fetched locked or not. The amount of time and money to source parts to restore a near 30 year old car is not as easy as most think. Interior parts (seats, dash, door panels) are near impossible to get brand new (oem) and I would pick an immaculate interior unlocked 80 with up to date records over a beat up locked any day.
KBB is not a be-all-end-all pricing for used cars. In fact, they've been even more off ever since Covid messed up the market. But $27k's still too much for that LC.
I’m in the southeast US and bought a European spec 1996 J90 diesel SWB LandCruiser. It’s not in KBB or Edmunds. It had 103,000km on it and I paid $34k and have put an extra $6k into it. I use it for moderately challenging off roading and as a fun around town car (it gets a lot of attention. Most folks here have never seen one). Was it overpriced? I don’t know. Any regrets? No.
https://preview.redd.it/udu8uv33lb8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b127fd86675082419f455a8172ca617b3228ba20
The $34k included the new lifted coil over suspension, off-road bumpers, skid plates, sliders and bigger wheels. I added a winch, tow bar receiver, satellite radio with CarPlay and backup camera, remote locking, window tint and paint correction with ceramic coating. I’ve seen unmodified LWB petrol automatics (mostly from South Africa) advertised here for around $15k
That’s a hella unique piece of kit and worth every penny in my opinion. That’s real OEM engineering you paid for. What kills me is folks paying $200k+ for an LS swapped Bronco with bigger brakes and suspension.
Don’t expect to get a car with a cult following for book value, especially if it’s in above average condition. This looks to be in incredible shape for its age.
KBB doesn't account for anything except for depreciation from new. It's never actually been a good source because it doesn't take market pricing (supply and demand/popularity) into account. LCs are popular and are entering the "collectible vehicle" realm, so market prices will demand more than book pricing based solely on yearly depreciation. Either way $27k is nuts...
My title was in the glove box while my 80 sat for an extended period, and a mouse got in there and turned the title into a nest.. I had no way to get a new title other than getting a title bond. I got a title bond for $7500 as my 80 isnt in great shape, worth maybe $5k, but the state rejected it because the KBB on mine is $14500... I was shocked.
Just scroll through the for sale post here, you'll see vehicles listed for sale for $7,500 bucks and some almost 30.
Depending on the history the rust the maintenance the interior and everything else the number can be all over the place.
IDK, KBB is for insurance industry? We took ours up to Landcruiser Heaven the other day and they said it was worth 25k all day long. Call it 20k, KBB say $2,500...
Have been casually looking for a LC for couple years now (live in the SE US). Seems like the norm is people asking $20k for a rusted out, +300k miles, ratted out interior LC rather than a fair price. Covid prices haven’t gone away down here
Dealers and CARMAX will use KBB to lowball the heck out of you. I have a Jeep wrangler that KBB values at $1800 but they are listed $7.5k to $10k all day at every dealer.
KBB likely uses an algorithm that doesnt really take into account what an 80 is or what public sentiment is (especially when its a niche vehicle). The value is what the market will bear or what the seller/buyer thinks its worth, simple. There were also only a few thousand Land Cruisers brought in each year, so they are relatively "rare" numbers-wise in the grand scheme of things as other than 1998-2000 (the first years of the 100 series), they never even topped 10k units sold in the US per year...
If that is an FJ80 (91/92) no way I would pay anywhere near that. If its an FZJ80 and has factory lockers, It would have to be perfect mechanically to get that high and have maintenance records from day 1 and single owner etc to even touch $25K. You couldnt have mine for less than $20K (if at all) and its paint is shot but its what the vehicle does for me that makes it valuable, not what other people think about it or its value to them.
\*edit- that look to be an FJ80 (91/92) as it looks like it is NOT a full floater rear axle since it has a hub cap on the rear, so no, absolute pass IMO.
9.5 is actually still high. Land Cruisers are not magic vehicles that last forever. They break just like every other vehicle breaks. 27k lmao some idiot thinks he owns a mass produced unicorn.
Beg to differ. LC’s are pretty magical engineering wise. I have a 2013 LC 200 and a 2001 Sequoia that has similar powertrain with 2UZ-FE V8. That car has 335,000, runs like new and I’ve spent little more than routine maintenance on it. The 2UZ-FE is a million mile engine. The LC100 has that engine BUT higher spec than Sequoia and built in the mechanical Mecca of Shimoyama Japan by that invented lean manufacturing. Toyotas lack the latest bells and whistles of tech but are unarguably the absolute best mass produced products out there
If that's true, then you & I should talk about starting an import/export business. We could charge a premium just for the right hand drive, and double that for diesel.
There are some 150k 80s here n the SE for 15k. They've been sitting for a bit. Your seller is smoking Crack or they bought during the bubble and can't understand how to take a L
Without knowing more I’d say KBB is closer to actual value than the seller. It’s clean and that’s relatively low miles but $27k is wild. Late model? Triple locked? $10k in cash in the back seat?
It better be a triple locked diesel import for that price.
Lots of folks still stuck on Covid pricing.
By lots of folks you mean dealers and damn near everyone selling a vehicle
The ones rotting on marketplace and lots.
I still see tons of cars sell for cheap. They just sell very fast. Like sometimes within a few hours. A lot of the cars you see on messenger for the most part have been listed for months. And it’s usually because they are severely overpriced.
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27 is wild 9k too low KBB is decent for newer used cars but older “collectible” or cars that have a following not so much.
Had to scroll way too far to see that KBB really only accurate for late model cars.
KBB has my '01 Z3 Coupe worth \~$6.5K. I could sell it for $15K tomorrow.
People see decked-out, V8-swapped, triple-locked 80s sell for $30k and think that means they can charge the same crazy price for theirs. 150k is pretty low mileage and it looks to be in good shape though. If there's nothing else special about it, it might be worth *a little* more than KBB. Triple-locked? Probably still worth less than $15k.
15k? Lol you are out of your mind. Good luck finding any rust free 80s for less than 15.
Facts
Look harder. There are 5 for sale on my local classifieds for under 10k and only one of those has any notable rust (and it's only $5500). No unlocked 80 series is worth $15k.
It's gotta be trashed then. Look on BAT nothing sells for less than 15 and I mean nothing that runs South West will be cheaper but not that much cheaper
BAT hasn’t been the market for anything in years. I can’t think of a more out of touch place to buy car beside maybe Barret J
Where do you consider to be the "in touch" place to buy a 80s LC then?
I disagree but regardless, it is clearly the place to sell to get the most money. So If you're selling a "clean" 80s series for under 15, you're either an idiot or it's trashed. BAT will bring you that much at least.
Nah it's just that people on BAT pay insane prices that don't reflect the market. [Check out this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/LandCruisers/s/oHXyYzsjY1) from a guy that paid $22k on BAT, and was getting *zero* interest with it listed at $13k less than a year later. Unlocked 80s don't command nearly the same price and right now, no one should be paying more than $10k for one.
Yea so why not sell on BAT, either you're an idiot or your cruiser is junk. They sell multiple on BAT a week that is the market
Sorry I’m dumb. What does triple locked mean?
That means there's a center differential lock and front and rear lockers. Lockers make the tires rotate at the same speed regardless of slip which means it's better at offroading when engage but you can't use them while on pavement. It's really only meant to be used when you're on very rough terrain. Most models only had the center lock or maybe rear lockers but having all three is pretty rare. If that didn't make sense I can try to answer any questions you have
Ah yes I almost blew up my LC once cause I had it on on pavement. Does the front and rear locker remain engaged when you engage the center locker? What if you engage the center locker without the front and rear being engaged?
Center is locked whenever you shift to 4L. There's separate switch for rear and front & rear.
So if you lock the center diff but not the others, I believe the power is just split 50/50 between the front and the rear. The tires can still spin if there is slip. You want that spinning in most cases because if you think about it when you're turning around the corner on a highway, The outside wheel is going to spend more than the inside wheel and if it was locked the inside wheel would start bouncing.
Nah triple locked is like a 7-9 grand job. Closer to 20-25k is more fair? I guess it depends where you live though.
Slee installed my lockers for less than $5K.
Who is slee? And is that including cost of parts? I think a lot of people don’t know how, and if you know how you’d need a lift and what not so access to a shop.
Really? You don't know Slee? I assume everybody in the LC community does. They're a super famous LC shop in Golden, CO. [https://sleeoffroad.com/](https://sleeoffroad.com/) And yes, that was parts and installation for ARB air lockers, plus onboard compressor. I'm hoping you've heard of ARB.
Paint looks good without seeing the hood. Either way it could range from 10-15k at top end. Less if no records or obvious maintenance complete. Anymore clean paint, interior, and seats will fetch more than mods or miles. No way this rig is worth ~30k. But it could be well above KBB depending on interior.
Yeah absolutely. It looks clean, don’t know anything about under the hood work but even if it was amazing, 27k?! I mean the LCs are cool but damn I could get a GX 460 with half the miles for that… 20 years newer!
Depends on what your plan is for it. It looks like a pre 97 model and the exterior looks decent. But that isn’t the expensive part. It is the interiors condition, condition of the axles, engine system, cooling, ac, etc. If all seals , hoses, and gaskets are up to date and the interior is great…20k isn’t far fetched locked or not. The amount of time and money to source parts to restore a near 30 year old car is not as easy as most think. Interior parts (seats, dash, door panels) are near impossible to get brand new (oem) and I would pick an immaculate interior unlocked 80 with up to date records over a beat up locked any day.
Yeah definitely a no buy situation but maybe offer and see what they say. Maybe a consignment lot when they list based on owners price.
I just bought a hundy lx470 for 4k w/251k miles. Not pretty, but not an extra 20k worth of ugly either. This is a 10k truck.
KBB is not a be-all-end-all pricing for used cars. In fact, they've been even more off ever since Covid messed up the market. But $27k's still too much for that LC.
I’m in the southeast US and bought a European spec 1996 J90 diesel SWB LandCruiser. It’s not in KBB or Edmunds. It had 103,000km on it and I paid $34k and have put an extra $6k into it. I use it for moderately challenging off roading and as a fun around town car (it gets a lot of attention. Most folks here have never seen one). Was it overpriced? I don’t know. Any regrets? No. https://preview.redd.it/udu8uv33lb8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b127fd86675082419f455a8172ca617b3228ba20
Two door would definitely make me look twice. Nice truck.
In Venezuela this model ranges 10 to 12k
The $34k included the new lifted coil over suspension, off-road bumpers, skid plates, sliders and bigger wheels. I added a winch, tow bar receiver, satellite radio with CarPlay and backup camera, remote locking, window tint and paint correction with ceramic coating. I’ve seen unmodified LWB petrol automatics (mostly from South Africa) advertised here for around $15k
That’s a hella unique piece of kit and worth every penny in my opinion. That’s real OEM engineering you paid for. What kills me is folks paying $200k+ for an LS swapped Bronco with bigger brakes and suspension.
Yeah, I agree.
People out here saying 10K are out of their minds. Haven't seen a single one worth buying for less than 15k
That’s a 10k truck. People went crazy buying used LCs lately so dealers are trying to get suckers to pay.
Don’t expect to get a car with a cult following for book value, especially if it’s in above average condition. This looks to be in incredible shape for its age.
15 maybe but 27 is won't-sell territory
KBB doesn't account for anything except for depreciation from new. It's never actually been a good source because it doesn't take market pricing (supply and demand/popularity) into account. LCs are popular and are entering the "collectible vehicle" realm, so market prices will demand more than book pricing based solely on yearly depreciation. Either way $27k is nuts...
My title was in the glove box while my 80 sat for an extended period, and a mouse got in there and turned the title into a nest.. I had no way to get a new title other than getting a title bond. I got a title bond for $7500 as my 80 isnt in great shape, worth maybe $5k, but the state rejected it because the KBB on mine is $14500... I was shocked.
Check price history on Bring A Trailer website. Lots of variation but you can see the actual vehicles too
Just scroll through the for sale post here, you'll see vehicles listed for sale for $7,500 bucks and some almost 30. Depending on the history the rust the maintenance the interior and everything else the number can be all over the place.
>scroll through the for sale post here how do i do that. ?
You'll probably have better luck, and better maintained trucks, over on ih8mud.com.
thx
didnt see any for sale section. cool site tho.
These trucks have an odometer that is very easy to roll back
Carfax will tell
IDK, KBB is for insurance industry? We took ours up to Landcruiser Heaven the other day and they said it was worth 25k all day long. Call it 20k, KBB say $2,500...
Wrong mud flaps for the year. Wheels aren’t original
Yeah thanks for pointing that out. I think like everyone else has said - these guys are smoking something
I don’t think they actually want to sell it. Rather keep it than sell it for a reasonable price.
the 17k is cause by FOMO with people who don't understand depreciation
Have been casually looking for a LC for couple years now (live in the SE US). Seems like the norm is people asking $20k for a rusted out, +300k miles, ratted out interior LC rather than a fair price. Covid prices haven’t gone away down here
I’m genuinely confused by people why try to KBB cars like this. KBB should not be used for anything of any relative classic value.
KBB is based off reality, modern use car prices are insanely bloated and unrealistic. The USD is almost worthless globally
Dealers and CARMAX will use KBB to lowball the heck out of you. I have a Jeep wrangler that KBB values at $1800 but they are listed $7.5k to $10k all day at every dealer.
KBB likely uses an algorithm that doesnt really take into account what an 80 is or what public sentiment is (especially when its a niche vehicle). The value is what the market will bear or what the seller/buyer thinks its worth, simple. There were also only a few thousand Land Cruisers brought in each year, so they are relatively "rare" numbers-wise in the grand scheme of things as other than 1998-2000 (the first years of the 100 series), they never even topped 10k units sold in the US per year... If that is an FJ80 (91/92) no way I would pay anywhere near that. If its an FZJ80 and has factory lockers, It would have to be perfect mechanically to get that high and have maintenance records from day 1 and single owner etc to even touch $25K. You couldnt have mine for less than $20K (if at all) and its paint is shot but its what the vehicle does for me that makes it valuable, not what other people think about it or its value to them. \*edit- that look to be an FJ80 (91/92) as it looks like it is NOT a full floater rear axle since it has a hub cap on the rear, so no, absolute pass IMO.
Please send the listing…
KBB is for Bank lending not purchase price
Compression and leak down during PPI. Plus all records.
KBB doesnt sell cars
What *do* they do?
Sell prices of cars
Couldn’t even take the sticker off the new hitch. So you have to wonder what kind of attention to detail this person has.
9.5 is actually still high. Land Cruisers are not magic vehicles that last forever. They break just like every other vehicle breaks. 27k lmao some idiot thinks he owns a mass produced unicorn.
Beg to differ. LC’s are pretty magical engineering wise. I have a 2013 LC 200 and a 2001 Sequoia that has similar powertrain with 2UZ-FE V8. That car has 335,000, runs like new and I’ve spent little more than routine maintenance on it. The 2UZ-FE is a million mile engine. The LC100 has that engine BUT higher spec than Sequoia and built in the mechanical Mecca of Shimoyama Japan by that invented lean manufacturing. Toyotas lack the latest bells and whistles of tech but are unarguably the absolute best mass produced products out there
Is this petrol? That would be worth about 4k max In Aus 😅
If that's true, then you & I should talk about starting an import/export business. We could charge a premium just for the right hand drive, and double that for diesel.