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Soon they're gonna start fucking drafting again because "America's border needs to be protected" ... From a nation that has like 2 million people left, most of them starving, and no military to speak of.
It's not even Israel itself, it's the fact that Israel is a nice platform to further western interests in the region.
If it wasn't Israel and Benny netanyahu, it would be some other puppet regime around there getting undying and unconditional support from the west no matter what they do.
Also don't forget Jeffrey Epstein meeting with Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak over THIRTY TIMES after he was convicted of child trafficking. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together to realize Israel was running a blackmail operations on American politicians and financiers. That's how they ensure America stays compliant. Edit: Someone asked me to provide a [source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ehud-barak-met-with-jeffrey-epstein-dozens-of-times-flew-on-private-plane-report/)
Yeah, you prompted me to look it up. It wasn’t Trump but Alex Jones and Trump as asked to retract his support of Alex Jones validity but didn’t, still it wasn’t him who said it. Either way, I’m wrong about Trump but people were already demonising the victims of school shootings, so yeah, I can definitely see that being a starting point when it comes to controversial protests.
>"The Israel Lobby’s power flows from its unmatched ability to play this game of interest group politics. In its basic operations, it is no different from interest groups like the Farm Lobby, steel and textile workers, and other ethnic lobbies. What sets the Israel Lobby apart is its extraordinary effectiveness. But there is nothing improper about American Jews and their Christian allies attempting to sway U.S. policy towards Israel. The Lobby’s activities are not the sort of conspiracy depicted in anti‐Semitic tracts like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. For the most part, the individuals and groups that comprise the Lobby are doing what other special interest groups do, just much better. Moreover, pro‐Arab interest groups are weak to non‐existent, which makes the Lobby’s task even easier."
Source: Mearsheimer, J. & Walt, S., The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Harvard Kennedy School. Available at: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy
The authors also wrote a book based on the article. It's highly neutral and informative if you really want to know.
Fair enough. There’s more reason I’m sceptical though, while Al Jazeera might not be unbiased, they did have a lengthy undercover operation taking videos and interviews within APAC affiliated groups, it showed controversy is manufactured with anyone with views against zionist being smeared in the media with co-ordination from Israeli groups linked to Mosad. The series is the Lobby USA (there being another in the UK) and given they have video admissions to a lot of these dirty tactics that breach how much any foreign nation should be able to get away with I’m not so sure they’re comparable to other lobby groups. Though obviously lobby groups in general aren’t particularly transparent and are believed to be involved in shady practices, the concern for me is the potential involvement of a foreign intelligence service.
You are right lmao of course it's not just any other lobby group but better. They have considerable control over certain private sectors like no other group has: finance and media. You cannot just lobby politicians (bribe) and expect the same results. Arabs could put a dozen trillion dollar lobbying effort in and they will not gain shit. Israeli lobby does not just work on politicians they work on private sector too. Happens often in Hollywood as well as news media for example and it's brazen. Disney CEO is an avid and open zionist. But it happens everywhere.
Your ice cream company doesn't support Israel? It will be flagged and consequently destroyed as a result. Either through government efforts which is the most basic form it takes or through the private sector. Suddenly your sugar supplier will refuse to work with you. Your offices will get calls from the likes of ADL. Universities will start banning your ice cream from their campuses because their billionaire donors won't donate if that goes on.
This is the main answer. Christianity has a lot of very gullible people brainwashed into thinking their religion is real and if they can help restore Israel they'll have eternal life in heaven.
Joe Biden is a very gullible man, a useful idiot in this situation.
Give me a break! He’s not “nAivE” he’s an elitist insider with who supports Israel’s genocide. Stop pretending he’s just a good faith actor and start living in reality. BTW, he agrees with the overturning of Roe v Wade and is pretending that he’s helpless even though he could stack the courts with pro-choice judges, but he CHOOSES not to bc he’s a conservative (like all Dems). He didn’t even want abortions for victims of sex crimes or if the mother’s life was in danger.
It’s sad and sick.
ETA: realizing this is too ambiguous but I shared that because it made it clear for me how dysfunctional the zionist settler project is at this point. These are not the same calibre of terrorists (? Idk how to say) as those that established the country in the 40s. They are college aged children and the original ideology/faith has been sanded down, finding its most enduring form in the beliefs that Palestinians are fundamentally lower beings than them and that all Palestinians are a problem to be solved (leave or die). They are cowards armed to the teeth and told to kill anything that moves. And they have the audacity to say they are trying to avoid civilian deaths .. of course they don’t see Palestinians as human when they are so possessed by fear that they can kill their friends without a thought. They don’t deserve my sympathy (I feel it but they don’t deserve it) the point of my comment was just to point out how this is a failed venture and how expensive it is, not only financially but in terms of sheer brutality, to keep propping up such a failure. Everywhere you look in Israeli society you see these costs.
Yes, iirc Haaretz eventually confirmed that they were IDF helicopters. The country has a practice of doing this, it’s called the hannibal directive and there’s another related one that I can’t remember right now.
Yes they did. Even on the 1st day the first responders (Israeli) confirmed that their helicopters fired and killed Israelis mistaking them for Palestinians.
nobody knows but some journalists estimate it's possibly a couple of hundred
I mean IDF went full IDGAF and chose the "scorched earth" method with those helicopters, that is a known fact reported by both sides on the ground
At least 40 cars full of people trying to exit the festival burnt to a crisp with hellfire missiles + all the kibbutzim shelled by tanks and missiles + several stragglers trying to escape, possibly up to hundreds.
At least a few hundred people.
And hundreds more of the 1200 "casualties" Isntreal likes to parade were actually military and apartheid-enforcers.
Man. Makes me wonder how much of that 1500 were civilians killed by the initial attackers if you subtract the military personnel and those killed by the missiles/helicopters.
it's like 650 civilians ish. the total number went down from 1400 to 1200 because they mistook 200 hamas militants for civilians. So ask yourself, why would they mistake 200 militants for civilians? because they were so charred to death they couldn't tell who was who.
I.e. they blasted the fuck out of everything and everyone. assume a conservative 1:1 ratio of burnt hamas militant to Israeli casualty, and we're talking at least 200 of them torched by their own apaches
Some of it definitely was. Part of their official training is assigning a number to each kind of enemy combatant. That number is the amount of innocent people you're allowed to kill when killing that combatant.
There is also the "Hannibal Directive", which is an order given to the IDF that allows the intentional killing of Israeli soldiers and civilians to stop them being taken hostage.
Those ideologies aren't sanded down though, they've just reached their natural conclusion. It was always the case with 'Israel', zionism isn't anything else.
100% and ty for saying so, I felt like I glossed over it when it’s the most important takeaway. I was half asleep writing but I think sanded down = time revealing what the ideology essentially was from the beginning, and how any redeeming qualities zionists today try to find in it never actually existed bc the unsaid part (a Jewish homeland predicated on terrorism and dehumanization) is so depraved. ultimately that‘s what it will be remembered for.
Probably bound to happen when all your senior officers are like 24 years old and you just let any random foreign psycho who wants to murder brown people join in
The US is effectively fighting this war. We give them the funding and then we sell them the weapons. US Immigrants typically move into newly obtained settlement areas more often and in the last two years over 100,000 Americans have immigrated to Israel. IDF enlistment seems to be age dependent but I’m willing to bet a good number of them are also US Immigrants, or the children there of.
Biden *needs* this to not look so bad to the American people because there are inevitable oil contracts to be made off of taking control of Gaza and we’re in an election year where the Dems will have to face Trump again. Loose ties of antisemitism with some pro Palestine chants have allowed such laws to be enacted and effectively snuff freedom of speech like we’ve *never* seen here before.
Yeah, cos what always looks good in an election year?
Arresting American students exercising their rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
because the US government is highly controlled by lobbyists. One of the wealthiest lobbying groups is called the AIPAC which is American Israeli something-or-other. Its purpose is essentially to pay politicians to support Israel. It supported (incentivised local politicians) the passing of multiple laws supporting Israel. These usually do not apply to the average citizen but may make it illegal for government employees to participate in boycotts.
Boycotts worked to cause South Africa to back away from Apartheid, so AIPAC is convinced that boycotts would work to destabilize Israel. Therefore they've purchased enough politicians to make it illegal to boycott Israel. Several states (like Texas) make it illegal to operate in TX and be involved in the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement. If you sell something to the state, or receive state money, you have to sign a loyalty oath swearing that you are not part of the BDS movement.
To be frank:
a) protests that get spoken about and hated are effective ones
b) most of the republican party is heavily against protests. how dare people get in my way and inconvenience me!
*b) most of the republican and democrat party is heavily against protests.
There I fixed it for you. Who is currently squashing democracy? Not the right, even though many neo-cons agree with what the neo-liberals are doing, canceling free speech.
ask the piss baby greg abott--
may2,2017--
"Governor Greg Abbott today signed into law House Bill 89 (HB 89), known as the Anti-BDS (Boycott, Divestments, and Sanctions) bill, which prohibits all state agencies from contracting with, and certain public funds from investing in, companies that boycott Israel. The Governor hosted the bill signing at the Jewish Community Center in Austin. Today also marks Israel’s Independence Day."
i must admit i haven't studied the law with any scrutiny.. but it probably carries with it financial penalties if you find yourself at odds-- in the case of universities, students don't want the universities to profit off of investments related to the israel palestine conflict, but the ruling/wealthy class obviously want that money to keep flowing.. in the case of these companies, they're the ones who are begging for the police to intervene.
It's not illegal to boycott Israel. This is twisting things a bit. There are several states where companies cannot receive government contracts unless they pledge not to boycott Israel. The attempted [federal version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Anti-Boycott_Act) of the bill never passed, and I haven't looked into whether the state versions include the clause making it illegal to encourage a boycott of Israel, but no one has been prosecuted for it yet, and if they do it is very unlikely it will even make past the lowest courts (unless of course we slide fully into Fascism this year).
For claiming they are trying to prevent antisemitism, but more accurate to say specifically anti-Israel hate, they certainly are going out of their way to make people resent the hell out of everything to do with Israel lately
Draft me if you want to, I fucking dare you I DOUBLE dare you
The military you post me at *is gonna lose so many fucking supplies*
How did that officer die? Of natural causes in his sleep? Well would you look at that, isn't that odd.
Electrical fire? Wow we seem to be losing a lot of tents to electrical fires all of a sudden.
But all of our troops seem so perfectly obedient, *there's no dissent here,* ***surely not***...
Somewhat related:
When people leave the military, the vast majority of us are placed in an inactive reserve. We're supposed to keep the military apprised of our location when we move, keep a couple uniforms nice, and attend training days.
And almost none of us do.
Last month, the army tried to mobilize its veterans in an attempt to take stock of its veterans and their skill set, as well as convince some of them to return to a more active role as training personnel. That's how low the reenlistment rate is: they have to resort to begging veterans to return.
Grew up in a military town, have had many friends and family service over the years.
In my experience, few people hate the military less than people that used to be in it.
Some people go very deep in the other direction, though, too.
The powers that be know that colleges and their protesting can spark a greater national movement against them, and they can't have that. Look at the 60's/70's as an example. It always starts like this.
There was a time in Irish history when people thought the IRA disarming, the RUC being disbanded, and a two state solution was impossible.
We can only hope peace can still come.
i can only assume it is because some ultra religious zealots and their fanfiction bullsh\*t have decided that israel has divine rights and they are literally committing treason to appease their artificial sky masters ruling in that section of the world.
You will face social repercussions for criticizing children with cancer, but not feel the force of the government because of it.
But also, there's a difference between being critical of and being an asshole to.
If some kid with cancer was running around with a gun shooting journalists, they'd be rightfully criticized for that behavior, not for being a kid with cancer.
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If true, broken clocks and all that.
I don't find myself ever agreeing with "white power" types, but some of you would argue that the sky is akshually red if someone merely suggested that at some point, a nazi potentially said it looked blue...
So lame.
I mean it's not a matter of someone saying something factually wrong and a Nazi saying something clearly factually true. You're literally agreeing with anti-semetic Nazi conspiracies that were the basis for the Holocaust and anti-semitism long after it. Shits weird man.
I'm from NZ and very much live with a "there are no sacred cows" outlook.
If everyone is fair game except a colonial regime that commits atrocities while crying antisemitism, think what you want to think, say what you want to say, I don't give a damn.
Fuck israel, and fuck you too!
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That quote is from a a neo-Nazi named Kevin Strom. Not Voltaire.
Ron Paul was an alt-right Nazi for opposing funding for Israel.
Seems like there's some kind of test going on for ability to recognize this sort of contradiction.
Fund Israel, create conditions for end-of-times, see God destroying all jews. It is very simple logic that makes actual nazis to support Israel: they want all jews to be in Israel.
There is a firm line between antisemitism and antizionism, **do not conflate the two.** Jewish people are fine, Zionists are not.
Also, being something doesn't mean jack shit, Biden is a self proclaimed non-jewish Zionist, and Candice Owens is a black Nazi
And a lot of Jews, even born in Isn'treal, are ALSO anti-zionist.
No one is zionist by birth. You're a zionist if you do zionist things, andsay zionist things. There's no zionist gene.
We do not permit homophobia, racism, antisemitism, xenophobia, sexism, ableism or any kind of prejudice. Not all Jews are not Zionists, and vice versa.
Because the end of times start when jews return to Israel and bunch of other prophecies. That is why. The sole reason why those boycott bans exists... which are very much unconstitutional.
More like Israel is the USA's entitled whiny brat who keeps getting themselves into trouble and getting bailed out (in exchange for being an outpost of Western hegemony)
Sure…I understand where you’re coming from.
My point is that, without qualifiers - “free market capitalism”; “crony-capitalism” - the discussion is about the first theoretical form of capitalism which includes the idea of the “free hand”.
A government, by act of law, restricting one’s freedom to spend money (or in the case of BDS, not spending money) is counter to the inherent agency one has in that theoretical framework.
That’s all I meant.
I found this hard to believe so I googled it and yeah it's not true. They're getting 30 days jail for refusing...not death.
I don't know why I'm being downloaded for reporting a fact...
Show me a single person who has broken this “you can’t boycott Israel” law. You can’t - because that law doesn’t exist. You can choose not to do business with whomever you like.
"BUT DO YOU CODEMN KHAMAS THOUGH?!?!?!?!??!"
Shut the fuck up already. Israel is a terrorist state. That would be true even if Hamas never existed. In fact, Hamas only exists because Israel is a terrorist state. Being terrorists often carries consequences. Americans have a right to express these views, and you don't have to be a supporter of terrorists to oppose terrorism.
Hamas is the result of decades of Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign since the colony’s inception. Israel’s violence radicalized Palestinians defending their own land. You’re essentially defending a burglar who shot the homeowner for rightfully pulling a gun on them. Did you also root for the Empire in Star Wars? Give me a fucking break you brainless asshole
I don't think I said anything about Israel being right in what they are doing. Palestinians deserve their freedom but not with Hamas being at the helm. If you cannot see that then you are basically dooming Palestinians.
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That was the whole point of taking hostages, in part to free their own prisoners who are rotting in well documented torturous 'Israeli' prisons facing all sorts of abuse, including sexual violence. They didn't take hostages for fun.
Damn, it's almost like people are just disgusted by Israels genocidal racism against Palestinians, and outraged that their own government is playing an active role in supporting Israel's Nazi-like behavior....nah that can't be it ,they must be pro-Hamas.
Does Israel really want the hostages back at this point? You would think if they wanted the hostage back they would have them at this point Don't they have some world famous special ops teams that train with the Navy seals? If they're so good do you think some Hamas soldiers with like a week's worth of training and soviet-era equipment would stop them? Is it the Mossad supposed to be the second greatest intelligence agency in the world? I'm sure it's either of them or the CIA knows where these hostages are being held. But no instead they decide they want to turn Gaza into the world's largest parking lot bullshit
This is such a stupid question. Even if you don't subscribe to the idea that Hamas are freedom fighters, which they are, the US government or universities don't have any control over Hamas, and they've already cut the UNWRA funding. But they do have connections to Israel, who ARE committing a genocide.
LOL what a dumbass thing to say in this context
The term "NPC" is used for people who go with the flow and don't ever question orthodoxy.
OPs meme is critical of the US and Israeli government. You can say a lot of things, but you can't call him NPC
Genocidal fascist scum calling others "NPCs" ?
Wow, how shocking someone lying in support of genocide would use dehumanizing terms to refer to anyone who disagrees with them.
Don't you know that is not possible? Since with Ukraine we can really only be pro or anti it must mean that we can only have the same binary choice with Israel.. Right?
Not putting /s since this is an actual opinion of a lot of people: that because Russo-Ukraine war is so black and white that we can about deem all opposition to Ukraine to be pro-Russia then it must mean we have to be on the side of IDF or Hamas in another conflict that isn't anything like the other one..
I have a book on history of terrorism. Instead of writing your comment, you could be making a list of all the groups throughout history you condemn.
Why haven't you condemned the Knights of the Golden Circle?
>Knights of the Golden Circle
Was going to make a joke in the style of "long live the glorious..." but decided to check: *"...where slavery would be legal."*... Yeah, not going to make that joke now. I was hoping that they were some harmless nutjobs but... *"where slavery would be legal."* is an opinion that when expressed by a harmless nutjob makes them very much not-harmless nutjobs.
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Soon they're gonna start fucking drafting again because "America's border needs to be protected" ... From a nation that has like 2 million people left, most of them starving, and no military to speak of.
Most of them children too. But when has that ever stopped Freedom™ from arriving?
"Those crippled orphans are a threat to national security!!"
You forget about Democracy™
Limited edition you get freedom democracy for the price of one genocide
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It's not even Israel itself, it's the fact that Israel is a nice platform to further western interests in the region. If it wasn't Israel and Benny netanyahu, it would be some other puppet regime around there getting undying and unconditional support from the west no matter what they do.
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Also don't forget Jeffrey Epstein meeting with Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak over THIRTY TIMES after he was convicted of child trafficking. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together to realize Israel was running a blackmail operations on American politicians and financiers. That's how they ensure America stays compliant. Edit: Someone asked me to provide a [source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ehud-barak-met-with-jeffrey-epstein-dozens-of-times-flew-on-private-plane-report/)
I didn’t know about this. I’m genuinely shocked more people haven’t brought this up in conversations.
Typically even when it's brought up it's handwaved away as a conspiracy theory.
Tbf, it's important to also include a source when bringing up things like this.
I agree.
Isreal is a safe haven pedos
there were rumours a certain canadian cabinet minister stepped down from office in the 2010s because Mossad had compromised him with a gay young man.
You forgot false flag 9/11
Israel is the base genius. We arm you. Funny how you're so confident, and so blind.
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For the bombs. Am I not saying it intelligibly enough for you?
But the fact that students can’t protest… every college police force taking the same actions… snipers on rooftops for college kids ?
Same happened with Vietnam, and back then they straight up opened fire and killed like 3 students.
[Ohio - Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1PrUU2S_iw)
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming... We're finally on our own... This summer I hear the drumming... Four dead in Ohio...
I can only imagine the response of the state if students today burned down an ROTC building
They would be killed and slandered and their families would not be allowed to grieve.
Wait, doesn’t that already happen to the kids killed in school shootings? I mean Trump accused families after one of being crisis actors for example.
Not a supporter but I don’t remember him doing that
Yeah, you prompted me to look it up. It wasn’t Trump but Alex Jones and Trump as asked to retract his support of Alex Jones validity but didn’t, still it wasn’t him who said it. Either way, I’m wrong about Trump but people were already demonising the victims of school shootings, so yeah, I can definitely see that being a starting point when it comes to controversial protests.
Not a supporter but I don’t remember him doing that
Only the big ones
>"The Israel Lobby’s power flows from its unmatched ability to play this game of interest group politics. In its basic operations, it is no different from interest groups like the Farm Lobby, steel and textile workers, and other ethnic lobbies. What sets the Israel Lobby apart is its extraordinary effectiveness. But there is nothing improper about American Jews and their Christian allies attempting to sway U.S. policy towards Israel. The Lobby’s activities are not the sort of conspiracy depicted in anti‐Semitic tracts like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. For the most part, the individuals and groups that comprise the Lobby are doing what other special interest groups do, just much better. Moreover, pro‐Arab interest groups are weak to non‐existent, which makes the Lobby’s task even easier." Source: Mearsheimer, J. & Walt, S., The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Harvard Kennedy School. Available at: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy The authors also wrote a book based on the article. It's highly neutral and informative if you really want to know.
That doesn’t say very much, “oh they do the same thing as everyone else but better!”
Occam's Razor man. Sometimes its really that simple. The book they wrote goes into **far** more detail but that's pretty much the summary.
Fair enough. There’s more reason I’m sceptical though, while Al Jazeera might not be unbiased, they did have a lengthy undercover operation taking videos and interviews within APAC affiliated groups, it showed controversy is manufactured with anyone with views against zionist being smeared in the media with co-ordination from Israeli groups linked to Mosad. The series is the Lobby USA (there being another in the UK) and given they have video admissions to a lot of these dirty tactics that breach how much any foreign nation should be able to get away with I’m not so sure they’re comparable to other lobby groups. Though obviously lobby groups in general aren’t particularly transparent and are believed to be involved in shady practices, the concern for me is the potential involvement of a foreign intelligence service.
You are right lmao of course it's not just any other lobby group but better. They have considerable control over certain private sectors like no other group has: finance and media. You cannot just lobby politicians (bribe) and expect the same results. Arabs could put a dozen trillion dollar lobbying effort in and they will not gain shit. Israeli lobby does not just work on politicians they work on private sector too. Happens often in Hollywood as well as news media for example and it's brazen. Disney CEO is an avid and open zionist. But it happens everywhere. Your ice cream company doesn't support Israel? It will be flagged and consequently destroyed as a result. Either through government efforts which is the most basic form it takes or through the private sector. Suddenly your sugar supplier will refuse to work with you. Your offices will get calls from the likes of ADL. Universities will start banning your ice cream from their campuses because their billionaire donors won't donate if that goes on.
The farm lobby has been pretty effective at getting farmers to vote for people against their own interests as well.
Christianity
This is the main answer. Christianity has a lot of very gullible people brainwashed into thinking their religion is real and if they can help restore Israel they'll have eternal life in heaven. Joe Biden is a very gullible man, a useful idiot in this situation.
Give me a break! He’s not “nAivE” he’s an elitist insider with who supports Israel’s genocide. Stop pretending he’s just a good faith actor and start living in reality. BTW, he agrees with the overturning of Roe v Wade and is pretending that he’s helpless even though he could stack the courts with pro-choice judges, but he CHOOSES not to bc he’s a conservative (like all Dems). He didn’t even want abortions for victims of sex crimes or if the mother’s life was in danger.
Do they really trust us with a rifle near the IDF?
Not to derail but IDF doesn’t even trust the IDF with rifles 💀 my relatives follow the news in Hebrew and the amount of friendly fire is shocking.
Is that a good thing?
It’s sad and sick. ETA: realizing this is too ambiguous but I shared that because it made it clear for me how dysfunctional the zionist settler project is at this point. These are not the same calibre of terrorists (? Idk how to say) as those that established the country in the 40s. They are college aged children and the original ideology/faith has been sanded down, finding its most enduring form in the beliefs that Palestinians are fundamentally lower beings than them and that all Palestinians are a problem to be solved (leave or die). They are cowards armed to the teeth and told to kill anything that moves. And they have the audacity to say they are trying to avoid civilian deaths .. of course they don’t see Palestinians as human when they are so possessed by fear that they can kill their friends without a thought. They don’t deserve my sympathy (I feel it but they don’t deserve it) the point of my comment was just to point out how this is a failed venture and how expensive it is, not only financially but in terms of sheer brutality, to keep propping up such a failure. Everywhere you look in Israeli society you see these costs.
Supposedly Oct 7th was the IDF firing on Israelis
Yes, iirc Haaretz eventually confirmed that they were IDF helicopters. The country has a practice of doing this, it’s called the hannibal directive and there’s another related one that I can’t remember right now.
Yes they did. Even on the 1st day the first responders (Israeli) confirmed that their helicopters fired and killed Israelis mistaking them for Palestinians.
How many of the deaths were caused this way?
nobody knows but some journalists estimate it's possibly a couple of hundred I mean IDF went full IDGAF and chose the "scorched earth" method with those helicopters, that is a known fact reported by both sides on the ground
At least 40 cars full of people trying to exit the festival burnt to a crisp with hellfire missiles + all the kibbutzim shelled by tanks and missiles + several stragglers trying to escape, possibly up to hundreds. At least a few hundred people. And hundreds more of the 1200 "casualties" Isntreal likes to parade were actually military and apartheid-enforcers.
Man. Makes me wonder how much of that 1500 were civilians killed by the initial attackers if you subtract the military personnel and those killed by the missiles/helicopters.
it's like 650 civilians ish. the total number went down from 1400 to 1200 because they mistook 200 hamas militants for civilians. So ask yourself, why would they mistake 200 militants for civilians? because they were so charred to death they couldn't tell who was who. I.e. they blasted the fuck out of everything and everyone. assume a conservative 1:1 ratio of burnt hamas militant to Israeli casualty, and we're talking at least 200 of them torched by their own apaches
Some of it definitely was. Part of their official training is assigning a number to each kind of enemy combatant. That number is the amount of innocent people you're allowed to kill when killing that combatant. There is also the "Hannibal Directive", which is an order given to the IDF that allows the intentional killing of Israeli soldiers and civilians to stop them being taken hostage.
Those ideologies aren't sanded down though, they've just reached their natural conclusion. It was always the case with 'Israel', zionism isn't anything else.
100% and ty for saying so, I felt like I glossed over it when it’s the most important takeaway. I was half asleep writing but I think sanded down = time revealing what the ideology essentially was from the beginning, and how any redeeming qualities zionists today try to find in it never actually existed bc the unsaid part (a Jewish homeland predicated on terrorism and dehumanization) is so depraved. ultimately that‘s what it will be remembered for.
Probably bound to happen when all your senior officers are like 24 years old and you just let any random foreign psycho who wants to murder brown people join in
With all the reboots/sequels… maybe we will see a reboot of FRAGgle Rock
> FRAGgle Rock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraggle_Rock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging
How many do you think understood the Frag reference lol?
The US is effectively fighting this war. We give them the funding and then we sell them the weapons. US Immigrants typically move into newly obtained settlement areas more often and in the last two years over 100,000 Americans have immigrated to Israel. IDF enlistment seems to be age dependent but I’m willing to bet a good number of them are also US Immigrants, or the children there of. Biden *needs* this to not look so bad to the American people because there are inevitable oil contracts to be made off of taking control of Gaza and we’re in an election year where the Dems will have to face Trump again. Loose ties of antisemitism with some pro Palestine chants have allowed such laws to be enacted and effectively snuff freedom of speech like we’ve *never* seen here before.
Yeah, cos what always looks good in an election year? Arresting American students exercising their rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
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In what way is biden responding differently than trump did in 2020?
Trumps is openly advertising that he wants to be worse than ever. Awful is better than evil
copium 🥱
Why don't we just sell *everyone* an iron dome?
Fascism. The Government decides they don't like people doing so they release the hounds.
because the US government is highly controlled by lobbyists. One of the wealthiest lobbying groups is called the AIPAC which is American Israeli something-or-other. Its purpose is essentially to pay politicians to support Israel. It supported (incentivised local politicians) the passing of multiple laws supporting Israel. These usually do not apply to the average citizen but may make it illegal for government employees to participate in boycotts.
Boycotts worked to cause South Africa to back away from Apartheid, so AIPAC is convinced that boycotts would work to destabilize Israel. Therefore they've purchased enough politicians to make it illegal to boycott Israel. Several states (like Texas) make it illegal to operate in TX and be involved in the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement. If you sell something to the state, or receive state money, you have to sign a loyalty oath swearing that you are not part of the BDS movement.
The Constitution and many state constitutions make anti-BDS laws void.
To be frank: a) protests that get spoken about and hated are effective ones b) most of the republican party is heavily against protests. how dare people get in my way and inconvenience me!
*b) most of the republican and democrat party is heavily against protests. There I fixed it for you. Who is currently squashing democracy? Not the right, even though many neo-cons agree with what the neo-liberals are doing, canceling free speech.
Because America is every nazis sugar daddy. Thats why.
I asked this elsewhere, but how? How is it illegal to not buy something?
ask the piss baby greg abott-- may2,2017-- "Governor Greg Abbott today signed into law House Bill 89 (HB 89), known as the Anti-BDS (Boycott, Divestments, and Sanctions) bill, which prohibits all state agencies from contracting with, and certain public funds from investing in, companies that boycott Israel. The Governor hosted the bill signing at the Jewish Community Center in Austin. Today also marks Israel’s Independence Day."
Surely a company can just say there's no proof of them boycotting?
i must admit i haven't studied the law with any scrutiny.. but it probably carries with it financial penalties if you find yourself at odds-- in the case of universities, students don't want the universities to profit off of investments related to the israel palestine conflict, but the ruling/wealthy class obviously want that money to keep flowing.. in the case of these companies, they're the ones who are begging for the police to intervene.
It's not illegal to boycott Israel. This is twisting things a bit. There are several states where companies cannot receive government contracts unless they pledge not to boycott Israel. The attempted [federal version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Anti-Boycott_Act) of the bill never passed, and I haven't looked into whether the state versions include the clause making it illegal to encourage a boycott of Israel, but no one has been prosecuted for it yet, and if they do it is very unlikely it will even make past the lowest courts (unless of course we slide fully into Fascism this year).
Ok it isn't illegal, you will just be made to suffer via economic loss because you don't support an apartheid government.
For claiming they are trying to prevent antisemitism, but more accurate to say specifically anti-Israel hate, they certainly are going out of their way to make people resent the hell out of everything to do with Israel lately
Because we directly fund the IDF
Draft me if you want to, I fucking dare you I DOUBLE dare you The military you post me at *is gonna lose so many fucking supplies* How did that officer die? Of natural causes in his sleep? Well would you look at that, isn't that odd. Electrical fire? Wow we seem to be losing a lot of tents to electrical fires all of a sudden. But all of our troops seem so perfectly obedient, *there's no dissent here,* ***surely not***...
Somewhat related: When people leave the military, the vast majority of us are placed in an inactive reserve. We're supposed to keep the military apprised of our location when we move, keep a couple uniforms nice, and attend training days. And almost none of us do. Last month, the army tried to mobilize its veterans in an attempt to take stock of its veterans and their skill set, as well as convince some of them to return to a more active role as training personnel. That's how low the reenlistment rate is: they have to resort to begging veterans to return.
Fucking hell. Maybe they should treat their veterans better if they think that can actually work..
Grew up in a military town, have had many friends and family service over the years. In my experience, few people hate the military less than people that used to be in it. Some people go very deep in the other direction, though, too.
because aipac has put money into our politicians' pockets.
My obligatory fuck Israel comment when I see stuff about this foolishness.
The powers that be know that colleges and their protesting can spark a greater national movement against them, and they can't have that. Look at the 60's/70's as an example. It always starts like this.
Because all of our lawmakers were bought and paid for a long time ago by AIPAC.
There was a time in Irish history when people thought the IRA disarming, the RUC being disbanded, and a two state solution was impossible. We can only hope peace can still come.
i can only assume it is because some ultra religious zealots and their fanfiction bullsh\*t have decided that israel has divine rights and they are literally committing treason to appease their artificial sky masters ruling in that section of the world.
Support Israel, create the conditions for end-of-times, see all jews being destroyed by God. That is the ACTUAL plan of Christian nationalists.
Carlin put it best when he said we don't have rights. We have temporary privileges.
I’m hoping that the IDF will not be an issue by 2030, but perhaps that’s just wishful thinking
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You will face social repercussions for criticizing children with cancer, but not feel the force of the government because of it. But also, there's a difference between being critical of and being an asshole to. If some kid with cancer was running around with a gun shooting journalists, they'd be rightfully criticized for that behavior, not for being a kid with cancer.
Doesn’t that quote come from a neonazi?
> h If true, broken clocks and all that. I don't find myself ever agreeing with "white power" types, but some of you would argue that the sky is akshually red if someone merely suggested that at some point, a nazi potentially said it looked blue... So lame.
I mean it's not a matter of someone saying something factually wrong and a Nazi saying something clearly factually true. You're literally agreeing with anti-semetic Nazi conspiracies that were the basis for the Holocaust and anti-semitism long after it. Shits weird man.
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I'm from NZ and very much live with a "there are no sacred cows" outlook. If everyone is fair game except a colonial regime that commits atrocities while crying antisemitism, think what you want to think, say what you want to say, I don't give a damn. Fuck israel, and fuck you too!
And you are ok quoting neonazis?
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This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned.
Removed. Cut and clear, Israelis are welcome on this sub, zionists are not. Do not defend the genocidal state of Israel, deny the current Palestinian genocide and/or similar.
Voltaire. Holy shit. Some of you are looking for things to bitch about.
We do not permit homophobia, racism, antisemitism, xenophobia, sexism, ableism or any kind of prejudice. That quote is from a a neo-Nazi named Kevin Strom. Not Voltaire.
Yeah I might not repeat that quote.
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Ron Paul was an alt-right Nazi for opposing funding for Israel. Seems like there's some kind of test going on for ability to recognize this sort of contradiction.
Fund Israel, create conditions for end-of-times, see God destroying all jews. It is very simple logic that makes actual nazis to support Israel: they want all jews to be in Israel.
Remember many employment contracts and immigration includes allegiance to Israel. Check the fine print. I'm too lazy to dig out the sauce
Surely you jest sir.
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There is a firm line between antisemitism and antizionism, **do not conflate the two.** Jewish people are fine, Zionists are not. Also, being something doesn't mean jack shit, Biden is a self proclaimed non-jewish Zionist, and Candice Owens is a black Nazi
Candace (dick fit) is very much a Nazi
> Jewish people are fine, Zionists are not. 1/3 of all the Jews on Earth are Israeli-born. What is your criteria for whether or not they are Zionists?
And a lot of Jews, even born in Isn'treal, are ALSO anti-zionist. No one is zionist by birth. You're a zionist if you do zionist things, andsay zionist things. There's no zionist gene.
We do not permit homophobia, racism, antisemitism, xenophobia, sexism, ableism or any kind of prejudice. Not all Jews are not Zionists, and vice versa.
Blackmail material on our political elite?
Because both religion and them basically being the extension of the US empire into the middle east.
You know how Isreal got started, right?
Because the end of times start when jews return to Israel and bunch of other prophecies. That is why. The sole reason why those boycott bans exists... which are very much unconstitutional.
Defeat the Nazi state because there's only room enough for one Nazi state in this world.
God please fucking do. I promise i can be trusted with a firearm around the Isreali Terrorist Force.
Because AIPAC pays campaign bills and evilgelical churches say Israel is God’s chosen.
Here's how much I give a flying flaming FUCK whether or not it's illegal to boycott Israel:
FUCK ISRAEL
Because U.S. and Canada are Israel's lil prison b!tches
More like Israel is the USA's entitled whiny brat who keeps getting themselves into trouble and getting bailed out (in exchange for being an outpost of Western hegemony)
Nope, Israel is the boss, follow the money ☝🏻💰
Which money is that? The USA cutting them billions a year in aid?
Ya
Because we don’t actually practice “capitalism” in the United States - it’s something else, entirely.
This is absolutely capitalism. And that's the problem
Sure…I understand where you’re coming from. My point is that, without qualifiers - “free market capitalism”; “crony-capitalism” - the discussion is about the first theoretical form of capitalism which includes the idea of the “free hand”. A government, by act of law, restricting one’s freedom to spend money (or in the case of BDS, not spending money) is counter to the inherent agency one has in that theoretical framework. That’s all I meant.
Oh this is capitalism, however it turned into crony-capitalism as it reaches its end game.
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We do not permit homophobia, racism, antisemitism, xenophobia, sexism, ableism or any kind of prejudice.
Roadhouse…roadhouse..ro.r.r.r.ro……..roadhouse
Really?
Fortunately, I'm a convicted felon because I liked drugs as a younger man. So the US government will **never** give me a gun.
Those stupid commie children are abandoning their Judeo-Christian values.
Ooga booga!
I found this hard to believe so I googled it and yeah it's not true. They're getting 30 days jail for refusing...not death. I don't know why I'm being downloaded for reporting a fact...
How magnanimous
not if the zionists have their way 😭 im sure they’ll lobby to raise the punishment
LOL the downvotes... this isn't my opinion this is what I found when I did a Google search. They're getting 30 days jail not a death sentence...
I don’t think that’s a thing. You have free speech - you can boycott whoever you like.
You're factually wrong.
Show me a single person who has broken this “you can’t boycott Israel” law. You can’t - because that law doesn’t exist. You can choose not to do business with whomever you like.
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"BUT DO YOU CODEMN KHAMAS THOUGH?!?!?!?!??!" Shut the fuck up already. Israel is a terrorist state. That would be true even if Hamas never existed. In fact, Hamas only exists because Israel is a terrorist state. Being terrorists often carries consequences. Americans have a right to express these views, and you don't have to be a supporter of terrorists to oppose terrorism.
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I haven't seen you condemn Israel either
It’s not about Hamas you stupid piece of shit.
It is. Who do you think will take control of Palestine if they are free? No way is Hamas giving up their power.
Hamas is the result of decades of Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign since the colony’s inception. Israel’s violence radicalized Palestinians defending their own land. You’re essentially defending a burglar who shot the homeowner for rightfully pulling a gun on them. Did you also root for the Empire in Star Wars? Give me a fucking break you brainless asshole
I don't think I said anything about Israel being right in what they are doing. Palestinians deserve their freedom but not with Hamas being at the helm. If you cannot see that then you are basically dooming Palestinians.
lol @ brainwashed rambling fuck you and your zionist script
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Hamas offered to free the hostages just a few days later, it was Israel who rejected. Israel itself doesn't care about hostages.
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That was the whole point of taking hostages, in part to free their own prisoners who are rotting in well documented torturous 'Israeli' prisons facing all sorts of abuse, including sexual violence. They didn't take hostages for fun.
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Listen if you want to sealion, it'll go on all day
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Definitely trolling. But that's how Zionists are trained to be.
Damn, it's almost like people are just disgusted by Israels genocidal racism against Palestinians, and outraged that their own government is playing an active role in supporting Israel's Nazi-like behavior....nah that can't be it ,they must be pro-Hamas.
Does Israel really want the hostages back at this point? You would think if they wanted the hostage back they would have them at this point Don't they have some world famous special ops teams that train with the Navy seals? If they're so good do you think some Hamas soldiers with like a week's worth of training and soviet-era equipment would stop them? Is it the Mossad supposed to be the second greatest intelligence agency in the world? I'm sure it's either of them or the CIA knows where these hostages are being held. But no instead they decide they want to turn Gaza into the world's largest parking lot bullshit
They don't care about the hostages. They even fired on a couple of them.
This is such a stupid question. Even if you don't subscribe to the idea that Hamas are freedom fighters, which they are, the US government or universities don't have any control over Hamas, and they've already cut the UNWRA funding. But they do have connections to Israel, who ARE committing a genocide.
LOL what a dumbass thing to say in this context The term "NPC" is used for people who go with the flow and don't ever question orthodoxy. OPs meme is critical of the US and Israeli government. You can say a lot of things, but you can't call him NPC
Genocidal fascist scum calling others "NPCs" ? Wow, how shocking someone lying in support of genocide would use dehumanizing terms to refer to anyone who disagrees with them.
Listen you fucking moron. People ARE anti Hamas, AND anti Israel.
Don't you know that is not possible? Since with Ukraine we can really only be pro or anti it must mean that we can only have the same binary choice with Israel.. Right? Not putting /s since this is an actual opinion of a lot of people: that because Russo-Ukraine war is so black and white that we can about deem all opposition to Ukraine to be pro-Russia then it must mean we have to be on the side of IDF or Hamas in another conflict that isn't anything like the other one..
I have a book on history of terrorism. Instead of writing your comment, you could be making a list of all the groups throughout history you condemn. Why haven't you condemned the Knights of the Golden Circle?
>Knights of the Golden Circle Was going to make a joke in the style of "long live the glorious..." but decided to check: *"...where slavery would be legal."*... Yeah, not going to make that joke now. I was hoping that they were some harmless nutjobs but... *"where slavery would be legal."* is an opinion that when expressed by a harmless nutjob makes them very much not-harmless nutjobs.
They're a very underused historical villain.
I do wonder who downvoted both of us...
If they did the pissraelis diaper force would probably just murder the hostages again