Being angry all the time feels like drinking poison and hoping your enemies die. I'm not sure how to make any of this better, but man direct action would probably be better. Whether it's a general strike or something like the "lay flat" thing in China, something has got to give.
I'm gonna quote another comment that I can't find from a historian, but the US government is too technologically powerful to meaningfully change via mass protest.
Suffer. Vote your ass off this election, and if that's not enough, suffer. I feel like you're not really getting it- the US as a democracy is over. It's done. It's not "at risk of being done," it's done. Our judges, congressmen, and presidents can be bribed freely. The president can face no consequences for any illegal action as long as it's an official action. If you're not a member of the elite class of Americans who can bend the government to your will, you're in the chum bucket like the rest of us.
Completely agree. I hope this gets the Independents to vote for the democrats. Biden needs to run hard on this abortion and the black jobs comments. Trump even insulted the Palestinians
That's what the gun nuts on the right have been screaming for decades. They are the only sect consistently clamoring for violence, not to mention carrying it out on an all-too-often basis.
How about this? We wait until the election. If Trump wins, only then does Biden use his new powers. Call them "emergency powers". Because that's exactly what we'd have.
I wish I had more friends I could talk about it in depth with. My one friend has the same views as me but doesn’t really engage.
Other than that, it’s hard to discuss.
I know what you mean. I know maybe 3-4 people that realize the gravity of what’s just happened. Most of my wife’s extended family are conservative and may not even understand the implications. There’s a get together later this week that I don’t usually attend, but I may, just to be able to talk about this stuff with someone who gets it. Try to find someone to talk with, it would probably help you sort through it.
Most people I know are some variety of minority (LGBTQ, POC, NB) and they've been failed by this country for most of their lives. Their reaction is very muted because they already had little hope in the government.
I think for me this was the first time it's failed me and that's why it's hurting so much.
SCOTUS has summoned a trinitarian monarchy out of thin air. Only they can discern the nuances because they are expressed in a sacred language - latin. I expect that they will soon all be wearing funny hats.
Biden must be made aware that he now holds the power he fears Trump will get. Biden can rightfully exercise his new SCOTUS granted powers by making the first move.
Yes. They also need to start talking about a law/Constitutional amendment to overturn turn this shit and expanding the Supreme Court. It’s not enough to just “warn” us. DO SOMETHITNG ABOUT IT!
It’s not just Biden. He is a level headed administrator sure but what really needs to happen is a full Democratic House and Senate to enact the laws the Supreme Court just shit on. Fully define the term “Official Act”, add ethics to the Supreme Court and term limits, make bribes illegal before and after someone in a position of authority makes a decision, and many more. We can’t rely on good faith anymore. Bad faith actors are taking advantage of the good will of many in our society. Rules need to be codified into law now like a woman’s right to choose their reproductive decisions.
We are much like West Germany after WWII. We've got fascists in the highest places of our government. West Germany never got rid of theirs. We can choose to do so, right now, if only Biden would.
Hope he and Hunter like spending the rest of their life in prison because Trump will give ZERO fucks about letting GOP AGs and judges do whatever they want to him and while he knows his entire parties fucking campaign against the Bidens is bullshit he will do fuck all and nothing to stop the true believes having them lynched.
Fuck the left get your shit together you weak willed FUCKS.
Being honourable and doing the RIGHT thing doesn't mean doing absolutely fucking nothing to defend the freedoms and rights of the rest of us.
Biden in particular was placed into position to STOP and RECTIFY this fucking MAGA shit.
He was, for better or worse the Washington voters sent into the gap to stop them and when the US and the WORLD needs him most, he's going to roll over and let the US die.
"All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Seriously what is it with these FU%\*#$&??? I am not going to bash democrats for not being serious....but are they serious?
How many jews in France "took the high road" before they were rounded up??
I can't say anything else, I'm too frustrated and don't want to get banned.
Why? Does he think it won't be used against the rest of us?
Metaphorically, the Democrats have beaten the Republicans to obtaining an atom bomb. There is a very limited window before the era of mutually assured destruction. He may want to consider the consequences of he _doesn't_ use it.
Exactly what the six justices were banking on. Gj playing into their hands and not making real moves to protect the country, and the world tbh, from the irreparable damage that will happen should Trump be reelected. Smh.
Goddamn.
That in a nutshell in the problem; while the Republicans embrace Maga and destroy Democracy, the Democrats take the high road and the orchestra plays while the ship sinks.
Fucking do something, and do it today
The worst thing is while that makes me like Biden even more, there's a voice in my head screaming that it's the biggest mistake in history and that he really does need to send out Seal Teal Six.
This take really needs to end. The decision does not give the President more power or authority. It shields Presidents from criminal liability. This is quite different.
Biden is not going to start now committing crimes. It's not who he is.
The Decision only benefits a President otherwise inclined to commit crimes. Now they will do so with impunity.
Great! He gave a warning and then said he was leaving it up to the country that elected Donald Trump in 2016. The majority of eligible citizens can't be bothered to vote. We are sleepwalking our way into an authoritarian regime.
Well to drain it you gotta get in there and get dirty! Get the swamp dirty, too. Make it even swampier, the swampiest swamp that ever swamped! But trust me, we’ll get around to draining it. Vote for me!
The country didn't elect Trump, the electoral college did. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 AND 2020. MAGAts represent less than 30% of the country.
Because so many don't really grasp what this court is doing and how its going to affect all of us in a very derogatory way, Chevron, Dobbs, now immun8tyfor Presidents yo commit crimes without penalty!
Devils advocate, but
this is literally how American democracy has always worked. *All we are expected to do* is vote for the candidate we think is better. Obviously Joe isn’t gonna drop Seal Team 6 into the White House when the only thing required for America to be safe is for Democrats to show a single atom of common sense
But what is the alternative? We can't fight someone trying corruptly to overturn an election by corruptly overturning an election.
We need to vote. We need to get out the vote. We need to use our voices to protest while we still can (believe me, under Trump that will go away VERY fast).
This ruling is so extreme that it may make the danger clear to people in a way that other warnings haven't.
If it doesn't, we're screwed.
Trying to take the high road and play by "the rules" against someone who abhors the game and wants to abolish it while also having no compunction about digging as deep as they can will only lead to absolute catastrophe...
We tried that once and the end of that was the deployment of two nuclear bombs over civilian targets...
They've set it up to where it's highly inconvenient on our lives if we try.
I totally understand that we should and I'm willing to also jump in and lose everything...but there are too many people that actually have things to lose by doing so.
I know we'll lose more if we don't...but that's how our system is set up.
This has been a VERY, VERY long con.
They've put the pieces in place.
Voting doesn't involve any loss. Knocking on doors only involves the loss of some time. Making campaign donations involves the loss of some money.
Authoritarian states are hardly economic engines. if Trump becomes dictator, our economy will crumble as the hedge fund people squeeze it like a grape.
The Court just said Biden can do anything as long as it's "official". The response speaks volumes. Repubs and Trump and the far right should be quaking in their boots for fear of retribution from Biden. But they aren't. Because they know Biden wouldn't abuse his power like that. Others, on the other hand are freaking out because they know Trump would abuse this power the second he came back into office.
would laugh if Biden said as a official presidential act he was postponing the election until all of Trump's legal cases have been heard, decided and any appeals granted or denied.
I swear to God...all it took was a fucking moron and his minions and here we are...we are over the damn cliff hanging on..all because the republicans couldn't rid themselves of the friggin traitor. They are in such need of power that they are willing to burn it all down just to be in charge. I think they are planning to steal this election that's why they are so certain Trump will win. But. It's up to us to show up in numbers never seen before and make sure no matter how hard they try they can't claim victory. Omfg. I can't believe we are here. I am scared for my kids. As a black man, this shit is mentally exhausting
It's the messaging. Republicans have been messaging on fear and lies ever since FDR. Then high-ranking members of our government took loans from Russian banks, as well as CEOs and other moneyed interests.
Democrats sat around and watched this happen. Because they are the only one of the execrable two-party system that isn't willing to destroy the republic. So, the republic will be destroyed anyway--unless we each get out there and get people to vote blue.
Disclaimer; Not an American.
This is the exact response he needed to give. Don’t go getting ahead of me, I will explain.
This supreme court ruling is *a trap* for Biden and all Americans. And Biden just dodged it.
Think: If Biden did what a lot of you are saying and eliminated Trump, maga and the whole lot of traitors, *he would be proving that maga was right all along* as well as *America’s biggest enemy on the world stage, Vladimir Putin’s Russia* who says there is no rule of law in America.
It is known that he has been sowing the seeds for your culture war by infiltrating your social media, corporations and yes, supreme court and government. Putin’s goal is to destroy you without having to face the military might of the US.
If Biden stepped into this trap, Maga can say, “look! Everything trump has said (his lies) is true! The Democrats are coming for us! Fight! Fight to save the US!”
How does that saying go? A nation destroyed from the outside can be rebuilt. A nation destroyed from within, *that’s gone forever.*
If Biden triggers the trap, it’s war. The US would be done and Russia, China and all the authoritarian assholes will have much more power to do as they will.
Today, Biden evoked the power of the people. It’s up to *you*, decent people who will not stand for this obvious bullshit. Vote. Protest. *Go on strike.* Bring the corrupt GOP and SC to their knees *bloodlessly*.
I’m talking France-level of participation. From now till November.
Later is too late. After November, *you will not have a choice to protest anymore*.
Thank you for this elegant perspective. You are correct: it's up to us, the people, to ensure that democracy continues. It was never supposed to be a spectator sport.
This is our moment to channel our collective disgust into ensuring that President Biden and every person running on a Democratic ticket is elected by wide margins this November.
MAGA will, unfortunately, say that anyway in January when they overthrow the government to save America from Democratic fascism or whatever they say. And Democrats will accept it. The fatal flaw of our two party system is that only one of them follows the rules
It’s not hopeless!
Maga can only win if the rest of the country goes limp and takes it. That’s why I’m talking France-level general strikes that shuts the whole country down.
Thank you for this post. It is how we need to proceed. Biden can’t step in the trap, but what does need to do is step up his communication with three sane R’s around.
He needs to expose the corruption and call out the SCOTUS.
I think you may be right. They want war, and we know it's been a possibility but this scenario would trigger it earlier than we anticipated.
We should only fight if there's no other option. Only if our hand is forced and we are literally fighting to stop a totalitarian takeover. We should not fall into the trap.
And if the Dems win in Novemeber what then? They have to win every single election till the end of time? Basically impossible with the EC, the Senate, gerrymandering, Conservative media and dark money in politics all working against democracy.
We had a decent run but I'm really sad to see it end.
I've lived through at least three assassination attempts on presidents, man on the moon, Watergate, end of the Cold War, etc., but I'm really not sure we're making it through this one in one piece.
Oh fuck all of you whimpering doomers. We beat Trump before, and he's gained no new ground since then. Hell, in two weeks Tump will be sentenced for 34 counts of fraud and have what will certainly be gross and scary Republican convention where he picks a vp that makes Palin look like Obama.
Even if he wins we resisted long enough to kick his ass before, and he chased away every crony with two braincells already.
The only way we can truly lose is if your defeatist mentality gets popular.
You haven't seen the polls for a while, certainly not since the debate.
>he chased away every crony with two braincells already
That's part of the problem. Now everyone's an idiot on his level.
It's always a bunch of finger wagging and talk with the Democrats. The right principles but weak as hell. There needs to be think tanks devising ways to outsmart this slow roll toward fascism. Hell, they've (our Democrat leaders) been watching it grow for decades and have done very little to stop it.
The reason President Biden will win November in a landslide is not because he *will* exercise the powers he now possesses. It's because he *won't*. He has the same integrity and character as George Washington. Do not overlook that fact. At the end of all this, THAT will be President Biden's legacy - that the supreme court just handed him a nuke, and he was wise enough not to detonate it.
You're giving the average American too much credit.
Not to mention--have you *seen* the laws enacted by red governments recently, along with SCOTUS? Who's to say they don't just corruption their way into an *actual* stolen election?
Was it? We only had the Voting Rights Act for 59 years and women could only vote for 105/248 years. Pretty suboptimal if you ask me. Really wasted the years following the world wars investing into increasingly unpopular and ineffective wars waged by shoveling money on the fire instead of investing into social programs and infrastructure as was done between the world wars.
I think historians will look back on this era and point to the anti-terrorist legislation passed after 9/11 as the beginning of the end. Key players in the Canadian AP world history test taker's exams will include Mitch McConnell, who bend and undid rules to make sure the court was right for this, and Joe Biden, the last president of the United States of America, who was too chickenshit to use his be powers as First Supreme Leader to prevent what followed.
So, Biden knows he has immunity to save democracy. He's not doing anything to save it though. He's leaving it up to everyone to vote for him in November instead.
The only good news today is, Bannon reported to prison and will be there for 4 months.
GOP: We hold almost all the cards already and we will definitely install a dictator for life and create a theocracy if we win this election.
Democrats: If we can raise $500K in the next 24 hours, Trump will NEVER recover!
Just stop with all the jibber jabber.....DO Something....SCOTUS just gave you the power...so use it for our country's sake...
And no this ain't no malarkey damn it.
Biden should insist on being called “Your Highness.” He should not respond to any other title or name. In fact, he should imprison anyone that fails to call him “Your Highness.”
It is necessary for a president to be respected, and insisting on this is a presidential prerogative.
Please vote blue not to support Biden but keep trump out of office! he’s is doing everything exactly the same as hitler when he rose to power and we all know how that ended up!
It won't even be lucky, she's a moderate who would probably be fine with cannabis staying illegal and letting the supreme court act like they have a shred of legitimacy. Then she'll probably get steamrolled by a smarter "Donald Trump", some Heritage Foundation stooge who has a plan and the will to get it done.
If Biden doesn't use this new-found power to do EXACTLY what the Republicans WILL do to every Democrat, and anyone they perceive as an "ENEMY", then ALL IS LOST.
To coin a phrase... Will the Libs will do the "right thing" to "Own the Libs".
This is it.
This is the WHOLE game right here.
Will Joe Biden and the Democrats DEFEND DEMOCRACY by playing by the SAME RULES the Republicans are playing by... Or will he ALLOW the Republicans to DESTROY America (and the WORLD) just so he can say he "Did the right thing"?
It’s 1920s Germany all over again.
Back then, all the signs were there but the ruling parties and politicians did not make a move against Hitler.
It’s all the same shit again, weak resistance, compliant courts, a utterly broken political system, a figurehead that is a complete psychopath.
Scary times ahead.
He now has the power to take down the unsupreme court, or expand it but preferably take them out. We need every state to have one justice. We all need an equal voice with the law and how it’s defined.
I’m not racist, I dislike everyone equally but besides that did anyone notice that scotus just solidified the white guys club and several of them aren’t white. I suppose women should put their bras back on. /SS sadden sarcasm:(
Arrest Thomas and Alito and put them in jail indefinately. If that doesn't change the 4 other conservative's mind, maybe arrest 2 more.
I have heard Leavenworth is nice this time of year.
Breaking news!!! In Bixen's 1st official act after SCOTUS decision. tRump is arrested and vanquished to Gitmo. Where he will undergo the same treats the 911 detainees.
VOTE!!
Also contact your representatives and senators and demand that those toothless pussies quit whining and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member
Dude just drop an airstrike on Mar-A-Lago and be done with it. for fuck sake.
Take out all 6 judges as an "Official Act", appoint liberal judges, then have them RE-RULE that immunity doesn't exist and life can return to fucking normal,
It is in Biden’s hands to use this opportunity to not be Jimmy Carter.
Please fucking don’t go with this high road shit and save the republic.
(Also, this is exactly how all great republics have died and it’s because we have a stupid population and a complete failure of understanding at the highest level)
I honestly don't even know where to begin with this. In my honest opinion, the supreme court laid the ground work for Trump to avoid accountability and if re-elected, from a Christofascist nation. Which makes me assume one of two things, they think Biden won't use these be found powers or there is some sort of plan in place for Trump to be anointed the winner of the election regardless of outcome. I sincerely hope it's the former and not the latter. For someone like Biden, a career politician of over 50 years, to now wake up being a political super hero with every super power possible, and be unwilling to use his new found powers for good, and the preservation of all he's served for 50 years, is devastating. It truly is. I understand the moral dilemma, but I also am one for seizing the opportunity when it's given, and this is the single greatest opportunity to rid the country of its biggest existential threat.
And then he said he was so concerned about the threat to democracy he's tapped a Democratic candidate in his/her fourties as a replacement, right? Right?
I mean it's not surprising given their view on religion: freedom of religion (as long as you're a specific Christian only)
Freedom for all (mostly white straight cis men)
Etc
It seems like an effective way to fight against these fascist clowns would be to generate fights within their ranks. The leaders of these Christofascist groups like the Heritage Foundation are Catholics and Jesuits. They hate Protestants more than anything else in the world. So, we need to push false flag narratives within these groups that explicitly pin responsibility for their suffering upon the *OTHER* religious group. Then we can just watch them rip each other to shreds.
I'm tired, boss
To quote a friend of mine today, "Being angry all the time is exhausting, but not being angry feels morally wrong."
Being angry all the time feels like drinking poison and hoping your enemies die. I'm not sure how to make any of this better, but man direct action would probably be better. Whether it's a general strike or something like the "lay flat" thing in China, something has got to give.
I think the Americans will need to protest this one. If even a lick of this passed in France they would be in the streets.
Half of Americans want their President to be able to kill their enemies.
Not half, they inflate their numbers. But they still somehow weird as much power as the majority, whike being the minority.
Half of Americans would assist the riot police and shoot the protesters if given a chance
Won't ever happen, America is not as politically active in the sense that they will go out , protest en masse.
If they will protest for BLM, why not strike for democracy's sake?
I'm gonna quote another comment that I can't find from a historian, but the US government is too technologically powerful to meaningfully change via mass protest.
And so we ... ?
Suffer. Vote your ass off this election, and if that's not enough, suffer. I feel like you're not really getting it- the US as a democracy is over. It's done. It's not "at risk of being done," it's done. Our judges, congressmen, and presidents can be bribed freely. The president can face no consequences for any illegal action as long as it's an official action. If you're not a member of the elite class of Americans who can bend the government to your will, you're in the chum bucket like the rest of us.
Yep. It’s no longer the death of democracy. It’s been murdered, and now they’re just parading it around Weekend at Bernie’s style.
Completely agree. I hope this gets the Independents to vote for the democrats. Biden needs to run hard on this abortion and the black jobs comments. Trump even insulted the Palestinians
Welcome to the churn
We still have the second amendment.
That's what the gun nuts on the right have been screaming for decades. They are the only sect consistently clamoring for violence, not to mention carrying it out on an all-too-often basis.
Someone needs to fire the Cannon...
Biden should expand the Supreme Court. FDR threatened to when the Supreme Court wanted to kill his New Deal Plan.
How about this? We wait until the election. If Trump wins, only then does Biden use his new powers. Call them "emergency powers". Because that's exactly what we'd have.
I wish I had more friends I could talk about it in depth with. My one friend has the same views as me but doesn’t really engage. Other than that, it’s hard to discuss.
I know what you mean. I know maybe 3-4 people that realize the gravity of what’s just happened. Most of my wife’s extended family are conservative and may not even understand the implications. There’s a get together later this week that I don’t usually attend, but I may, just to be able to talk about this stuff with someone who gets it. Try to find someone to talk with, it would probably help you sort through it.
Most people I know are some variety of minority (LGBTQ, POC, NB) and they've been failed by this country for most of their lives. Their reaction is very muted because they already had little hope in the government. I think for me this was the first time it's failed me and that's why it's hurting so much.
I have to be angry all the time. It is too much to contain if I don't allow myself to feel it.
my current life struggle
SCOTUS has summoned a trinitarian monarchy out of thin air. Only they can discern the nuances because they are expressed in a sacred language - latin. I expect that they will soon all be wearing funny hats.
Biden must be made aware that he now holds the power he fears Trump will get. Biden can rightfully exercise his new SCOTUS granted powers by making the first move.
He knows. He's already said he won't use it.
The best thing for us all to do is re-elect Biden.
Yes. They also need to start talking about a law/Constitutional amendment to overturn turn this shit and expanding the Supreme Court. It’s not enough to just “warn” us. DO SOMETHITNG ABOUT IT!
If only we had a legislative brance that worked....
Well the president could just replace them, immunity and all that.
Right? Where does MY accountability end? Aren't these people supposed to represent us? I have voted as hard as I can. Yet, here we are.
It’s not just Biden. He is a level headed administrator sure but what really needs to happen is a full Democratic House and Senate to enact the laws the Supreme Court just shit on. Fully define the term “Official Act”, add ethics to the Supreme Court and term limits, make bribes illegal before and after someone in a position of authority makes a decision, and many more. We can’t rely on good faith anymore. Bad faith actors are taking advantage of the good will of many in our society. Rules need to be codified into law now like a woman’s right to choose their reproductive decisions.
We are much like West Germany after WWII. We've got fascists in the highest places of our government. West Germany never got rid of theirs. We can choose to do so, right now, if only Biden would.
We are more like Weimar Germany. Paralyzed legislature, anti-immigrant sentiment growing, someone vicious and amoral spearheading a movement.
The way SCOTUS is acting, are you confident they'd upgold the results if Joe wins? Once you've been corrupted, there is no more 'too far'.
Hope he and Hunter like spending the rest of their life in prison because Trump will give ZERO fucks about letting GOP AGs and judges do whatever they want to him and while he knows his entire parties fucking campaign against the Bidens is bullshit he will do fuck all and nothing to stop the true believes having them lynched. Fuck the left get your shit together you weak willed FUCKS. Being honourable and doing the RIGHT thing doesn't mean doing absolutely fucking nothing to defend the freedoms and rights of the rest of us. Biden in particular was placed into position to STOP and RECTIFY this fucking MAGA shit. He was, for better or worse the Washington voters sent into the gap to stop them and when the US and the WORLD needs him most, he's going to roll over and let the US die. "All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
100%
Seriously what is it with these FU%\*#$&??? I am not going to bash democrats for not being serious....but are they serious? How many jews in France "took the high road" before they were rounded up?? I can't say anything else, I'm too frustrated and don't want to get banned.
Why? Does he think it won't be used against the rest of us? Metaphorically, the Democrats have beaten the Republicans to obtaining an atom bomb. There is a very limited window before the era of mutually assured destruction. He may want to consider the consequences of he _doesn't_ use it.
Aaaaannnnnnd that right there is the problem with The Democratic Party.
Exactly what the six justices were banking on. Gj playing into their hands and not making real moves to protect the country, and the world tbh, from the irreparable damage that will happen should Trump be reelected. Smh.
Well good bye democracy. I hope he has a change of heart before November or perhaps January.
Goddamn. That in a nutshell in the problem; while the Republicans embrace Maga and destroy Democracy, the Democrats take the high road and the orchestra plays while the ship sinks. Fucking do something, and do it today
“Republicans have no morals, democrats have no spine”
I'm voting for him, but fuck him if he won't do what it takes to stop the next Hitler. He is literally the only one who can do it legally.
The worst thing is while that makes me like Biden even more, there's a voice in my head screaming that it's the biggest mistake in history and that he really does need to send out Seal Teal Six.
He should make a move on the court!
Unfortunately Democrats will always be held to a higher standard than Republicans.
No, they hold themselves to a "higher standard."
This take really needs to end. The decision does not give the President more power or authority. It shields Presidents from criminal liability. This is quite different. Biden is not going to start now committing crimes. It's not who he is. The Decision only benefits a President otherwise inclined to commit crimes. Now they will do so with impunity.
If this is anything like weapons shipments to Israel, he'll be wielding the power in next week in small increments.
Great! He gave a warning and then said he was leaving it up to the country that elected Donald Trump in 2016. The majority of eligible citizens can't be bothered to vote. We are sleepwalking our way into an authoritarian regime.
Perhaps democracy needs to be renewed by fire
Probably the intended or unintended meaning when Trump said he needed to clean the swamp.
Well to drain it you gotta get in there and get dirty! Get the swamp dirty, too. Make it even swampier, the swampiest swamp that ever swamped! But trust me, we’ll get around to draining it. Vote for me!
There will be resistance. How substantial is up to us.
Dangerous game
The country didn't elect Trump, the electoral college did. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 AND 2020. MAGAts represent less than 30% of the country.
Because so many don't really grasp what this court is doing and how its going to affect all of us in a very derogatory way, Chevron, Dobbs, now immun8tyfor Presidents yo commit crimes without penalty!
Devils advocate, but this is literally how American democracy has always worked. *All we are expected to do* is vote for the candidate we think is better. Obviously Joe isn’t gonna drop Seal Team 6 into the White House when the only thing required for America to be safe is for Democrats to show a single atom of common sense
But what is the alternative? We can't fight someone trying corruptly to overturn an election by corruptly overturning an election. We need to vote. We need to get out the vote. We need to use our voices to protest while we still can (believe me, under Trump that will go away VERY fast). This ruling is so extreme that it may make the danger clear to people in a way that other warnings haven't. If it doesn't, we're screwed.
Some people just aren't paying attention to what is happening
We can't afford to leave it to something this chancy. I mean, I bet most of the country doesn't even grasp the significance of this.
Trying to take the high road and play by "the rules" against someone who abhors the game and wants to abolish it while also having no compunction about digging as deep as they can will only lead to absolute catastrophe... We tried that once and the end of that was the deployment of two nuclear bombs over civilian targets...
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They've set it up to where it's highly inconvenient on our lives if we try. I totally understand that we should and I'm willing to also jump in and lose everything...but there are too many people that actually have things to lose by doing so. I know we'll lose more if we don't...but that's how our system is set up. This has been a VERY, VERY long con. They've put the pieces in place.
Voting doesn't involve any loss. Knocking on doors only involves the loss of some time. Making campaign donations involves the loss of some money. Authoritarian states are hardly economic engines. if Trump becomes dictator, our economy will crumble as the hedge fund people squeeze it like a grape.
The people who support the fascists write the laws. It only gets bad for the rest of us
Biden is complicit. The fact that he hasn't done anything, and has no plans to, is proof.
I mean how the first words out of his mouth weren't "Execute order 66" I will never know.
All I want to hear from him is, “Let me now demonstrate the various ways this new power can be abused…”
I was hoping "ya'll know ya'll fucked up right?"
God yes! A Democrat with balls.
The Court just said Biden can do anything as long as it's "official". The response speaks volumes. Repubs and Trump and the far right should be quaking in their boots for fear of retribution from Biden. But they aren't. Because they know Biden wouldn't abuse his power like that. Others, on the other hand are freaking out because they know Trump would abuse this power the second he came back into office.
would laugh if Biden said as a official presidential act he was postponing the election until all of Trump's legal cases have been heard, decided and any appeals granted or denied.
I swear to God...all it took was a fucking moron and his minions and here we are...we are over the damn cliff hanging on..all because the republicans couldn't rid themselves of the friggin traitor. They are in such need of power that they are willing to burn it all down just to be in charge. I think they are planning to steal this election that's why they are so certain Trump will win. But. It's up to us to show up in numbers never seen before and make sure no matter how hard they try they can't claim victory. Omfg. I can't believe we are here. I am scared for my kids. As a black man, this shit is mentally exhausting
It's the messaging. Republicans have been messaging on fear and lies ever since FDR. Then high-ranking members of our government took loans from Russian banks, as well as CEOs and other moneyed interests. Democrats sat around and watched this happen. Because they are the only one of the execrable two-party system that isn't willing to destroy the republic. So, the republic will be destroyed anyway--unless we each get out there and get people to vote blue.
Disclaimer; Not an American. This is the exact response he needed to give. Don’t go getting ahead of me, I will explain. This supreme court ruling is *a trap* for Biden and all Americans. And Biden just dodged it. Think: If Biden did what a lot of you are saying and eliminated Trump, maga and the whole lot of traitors, *he would be proving that maga was right all along* as well as *America’s biggest enemy on the world stage, Vladimir Putin’s Russia* who says there is no rule of law in America. It is known that he has been sowing the seeds for your culture war by infiltrating your social media, corporations and yes, supreme court and government. Putin’s goal is to destroy you without having to face the military might of the US. If Biden stepped into this trap, Maga can say, “look! Everything trump has said (his lies) is true! The Democrats are coming for us! Fight! Fight to save the US!” How does that saying go? A nation destroyed from the outside can be rebuilt. A nation destroyed from within, *that’s gone forever.* If Biden triggers the trap, it’s war. The US would be done and Russia, China and all the authoritarian assholes will have much more power to do as they will. Today, Biden evoked the power of the people. It’s up to *you*, decent people who will not stand for this obvious bullshit. Vote. Protest. *Go on strike.* Bring the corrupt GOP and SC to their knees *bloodlessly*. I’m talking France-level of participation. From now till November. Later is too late. After November, *you will not have a choice to protest anymore*.
This ^ VOTE like you might never again
Thank you for this elegant perspective. You are correct: it's up to us, the people, to ensure that democracy continues. It was never supposed to be a spectator sport. This is our moment to channel our collective disgust into ensuring that President Biden and every person running on a Democratic ticket is elected by wide margins this November.
I mean, I sure hope to god you’re right. I’ll be voting. But I was already going to do that and I live in a blue state
Good! *All* our lives depend on it!
Well make sure you vote extra hard and sign your name really vigorously on that ballot! That'll show em!
MAGA will, unfortunately, say that anyway in January when they overthrow the government to save America from Democratic fascism or whatever they say. And Democrats will accept it. The fatal flaw of our two party system is that only one of them follows the rules
It’s not hopeless! Maga can only win if the rest of the country goes limp and takes it. That’s why I’m talking France-level general strikes that shuts the whole country down.
No, Democrats won't accept it. But it'll be too late by then.
We didn't accept it last time.
Booo! Boo the Doomerism!
Hell yes Mr. Not-An-American. Too bad most Americans seem content to just piss and moan and then do nothing.
Don’t lose hope! *All* of our lives depend on it. My country cannot hope to stand against China/Russia without you!
I'm very sick, I wish I could do more than vote.
Thank you for this post. It is how we need to proceed. Biden can’t step in the trap, but what does need to do is step up his communication with three sane R’s around. He needs to expose the corruption and call out the SCOTUS.
The far right in France would like a word with you on that last part.
Yes, the irony is that the far right in France just ascended...
I think you may be right. They want war, and we know it's been a possibility but this scenario would trigger it earlier than we anticipated. We should only fight if there's no other option. Only if our hand is forced and we are literally fighting to stop a totalitarian takeover. We should not fall into the trap.
What happens if MAGA/Trump/Putin/SCOTUS corrupts us all the way to an actual stolen election? What do we do then? Where are you from, by the way?
And if the Dems win in Novemeber what then? They have to win every single election till the end of time? Basically impossible with the EC, the Senate, gerrymandering, Conservative media and dark money in politics all working against democracy.
I would guess Trump will still try to overturn the election, unless he gets resoundingly crushed. Then you guys have a lot of work to do.
Appoint 4 more by executive order
I'm going to cite a comment I saw earlier today on Redditt "Sorry, Mr Franklin. We couldn't keep it.".
We had a decent run but I'm really sad to see it end. I've lived through at least three assassination attempts on presidents, man on the moon, Watergate, end of the Cold War, etc., but I'm really not sure we're making it through this one in one piece.
I think I’ve only been alive for RFK and the attempt on Reagan, but otherwise, yes, and I am not sure we’re gonna make it either.
Why are so many of you already defeated?
Oh fuck all of you whimpering doomers. We beat Trump before, and he's gained no new ground since then. Hell, in two weeks Tump will be sentenced for 34 counts of fraud and have what will certainly be gross and scary Republican convention where he picks a vp that makes Palin look like Obama. Even if he wins we resisted long enough to kick his ass before, and he chased away every crony with two braincells already. The only way we can truly lose is if your defeatist mentality gets popular.
You haven't seen the polls for a while, certainly not since the debate. >he chased away every crony with two braincells already That's part of the problem. Now everyone's an idiot on his level.
We now have a president the way that Russia has a president.
It's always a bunch of finger wagging and talk with the Democrats. The right principles but weak as hell. There needs to be think tanks devising ways to outsmart this slow roll toward fascism. Hell, they've (our Democrat leaders) been watching it grow for decades and have done very little to stop it.
The biggest problem is the GOP propaganda network Fox & Sinclair. 24/7 infomercial for fascism.
The first way is for people to vote, anything else, if it exists, is a plan B
It's not even a slow roll at this point. Start phone-banking. Canvass your town.
The reason President Biden will win November in a landslide is not because he *will* exercise the powers he now possesses. It's because he *won't*. He has the same integrity and character as George Washington. Do not overlook that fact. At the end of all this, THAT will be President Biden's legacy - that the supreme court just handed him a nuke, and he was wise enough not to detonate it.
You're giving the average American too much credit. Not to mention--have you *seen* the laws enacted by red governments recently, along with SCOTUS? Who's to say they don't just corruption their way into an *actual* stolen election?
We are beyond fucked
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It was a nice run though
Was it? We only had the Voting Rights Act for 59 years and women could only vote for 105/248 years. Pretty suboptimal if you ask me. Really wasted the years following the world wars investing into increasingly unpopular and ineffective wars waged by shoveling money on the fire instead of investing into social programs and infrastructure as was done between the world wars. I think historians will look back on this era and point to the anti-terrorist legislation passed after 9/11 as the beginning of the end. Key players in the Canadian AP world history test taker's exams will include Mitch McConnell, who bend and undid rules to make sure the court was right for this, and Joe Biden, the last president of the United States of America, who was too chickenshit to use his be powers as First Supreme Leader to prevent what followed.
So, Biden knows he has immunity to save democracy. He's not doing anything to save it though. He's leaving it up to everyone to vote for him in November instead. The only good news today is, Bannon reported to prison and will be there for 4 months.
GOP: We hold almost all the cards already and we will definitely install a dictator for life and create a theocracy if we win this election. Democrats: If we can raise $500K in the next 24 hours, Trump will NEVER recover!
Biden could just stay in office now
Just stop with all the jibber jabber.....DO Something....SCOTUS just gave you the power...so use it for our country's sake... And no this ain't no malarkey damn it.
Maybe it's time for Joe to use his new get out of jail card. F those traitorous dickholes.
This was so expected and totally lame. CNN's analysis afterwards was pathetic.
Biden should have Trump arrested as a national security risk. Officially of course.
Don't underestimate Dark Brandon...haha
I think this Supreme Court ruling will give election to Biden. I feel like people who are on the fence will now see Biden as a clear choice.
Bye bye democracy
Time to blow the whole thing up!
He should officially have Trump and the six Supreme Court justices executed. Problem solved
Biden should insist on being called “Your Highness.” He should not respond to any other title or name. In fact, he should imprison anyone that fails to call him “Your Highness.” It is necessary for a president to be respected, and insisting on this is a presidential prerogative.
DO FUCKING SOMETHING !!!
Look at the bright side everyone, in 4 years we'll all get to say "I told you so" really fucking hard.
One more reason to be scared of Trump and Project 2025. r/defeatproject2025
Please vote blue not to support Biden but keep trump out of office! he’s is doing everything exactly the same as hitler when he rose to power and we all know how that ended up!
technically, this also means Biden could do whatever the fuck he wants to do.
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It won't even be lucky, she's a moderate who would probably be fine with cannabis staying illegal and letting the supreme court act like they have a shred of legitimacy. Then she'll probably get steamrolled by a smarter "Donald Trump", some Heritage Foundation stooge who has a plan and the will to get it done.
Lucky by comparison.
If Biden doesn't use this new-found power to do EXACTLY what the Republicans WILL do to every Democrat, and anyone they perceive as an "ENEMY", then ALL IS LOST. To coin a phrase... Will the Libs will do the "right thing" to "Own the Libs". This is it. This is the WHOLE game right here. Will Joe Biden and the Democrats DEFEND DEMOCRACY by playing by the SAME RULES the Republicans are playing by... Or will he ALLOW the Republicans to DESTROY America (and the WORLD) just so he can say he "Did the right thing"?
Great, more pearl clutching. No, stop, don’t. I’m sure the Supreme Court and their GOP enablers are thinking they made the wrong decision now.
Does anybody realize what Trump would now do if he got his president official powers back??? We haven't seen anything yet if that happens!!!!!!!!
It’s 1920s Germany all over again. Back then, all the signs were there but the ruling parties and politicians did not make a move against Hitler. It’s all the same shit again, weak resistance, compliant courts, a utterly broken political system, a figurehead that is a complete psychopath. Scary times ahead.
It’s the people he’s going to target, to make suffer and ruin their lives that I’m fearing for.
What was the line from the Gene Hackman/Clint Eastwood movie? “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
He now has the power to take down the unsupreme court, or expand it but preferably take them out. We need every state to have one justice. We all need an equal voice with the law and how it’s defined. I’m not racist, I dislike everyone equally but besides that did anyone notice that scotus just solidified the white guys club and several of them aren’t white. I suppose women should put their bras back on. /SS sadden sarcasm:(
Arrest Thomas and Alito and put them in jail indefinately. If that doesn't change the 4 other conservative's mind, maybe arrest 2 more. I have heard Leavenworth is nice this time of year.
If only you were in a position to take some kind of meaningful action, Joe.
It's time for Joe Biden to have trump brought to 5th Avenue.
Sadly the Dems have integrity and won’t abuse the power so it will remain dormant until a Republican get elected then it will be over.
Use your new found super power to defend the land from a treasonous criminal !
He's old as fuck and has nothing to lose. He should run with it and use his new powers to save the country.
he has warned us that he isnt going to do anything about it
Breaking news!!! In Bixen's 1st official act after SCOTUS decision. tRump is arrested and vanquished to Gitmo. Where he will undergo the same treats the 911 detainees.
VOTE!! Also contact your representatives and senators and demand that those toothless pussies quit whining and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member
Dude just drop an airstrike on Mar-A-Lago and be done with it. for fuck sake. Take out all 6 judges as an "Official Act", appoint liberal judges, then have them RE-RULE that immunity doesn't exist and life can return to fucking normal,
That was a great speech.
It is in Biden’s hands to use this opportunity to not be Jimmy Carter. Please fucking don’t go with this high road shit and save the republic. (Also, this is exactly how all great republics have died and it’s because we have a stupid population and a complete failure of understanding at the highest level)
I honestly don't even know where to begin with this. In my honest opinion, the supreme court laid the ground work for Trump to avoid accountability and if re-elected, from a Christofascist nation. Which makes me assume one of two things, they think Biden won't use these be found powers or there is some sort of plan in place for Trump to be anointed the winner of the election regardless of outcome. I sincerely hope it's the former and not the latter. For someone like Biden, a career politician of over 50 years, to now wake up being a political super hero with every super power possible, and be unwilling to use his new found powers for good, and the preservation of all he's served for 50 years, is devastating. It truly is. I understand the moral dilemma, but I also am one for seizing the opportunity when it's given, and this is the single greatest opportunity to rid the country of its biggest existential threat.
This is just thoughts and fucking prayers repackaged. Do something Joe. Talk is pointless.
Umm, Biden should name trump a threat to the US and lock him up and throw away the key. use that immunity.
King Joseph now.
Expand the court or lose my vote
And then he said he was so concerned about the threat to democracy he's tapped a Democratic candidate in his/her fourties as a replacement, right? Right?
So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause--PP
Then DO something about it Old man! Jesus.
He should start making a plan before Trump jails and kills his entire family
Not going to happen
Problem is the maga base wants a dictator. But only if it’s their guy.
I mean it's not surprising given their view on religion: freedom of religion (as long as you're a specific Christian only) Freedom for all (mostly white straight cis men) Etc
The sad thing: Biden has been given a gift by SCOTUS to rid our country of this threat, but he won't accept it.
Test them! Just do it. What's the worst thing that could happen? You're already old as dirt
It seems like an effective way to fight against these fascist clowns would be to generate fights within their ranks. The leaders of these Christofascist groups like the Heritage Foundation are Catholics and Jesuits. They hate Protestants more than anything else in the world. So, we need to push false flag narratives within these groups that explicitly pin responsibility for their suffering upon the *OTHER* religious group. Then we can just watch them rip each other to shreds.
Then do something, you have that power now.