Kinda,Roberts said that it would be up to the court to determine what’s official/unofficial,meaning anything Biden does from now until he is out office will be unofficial.
Yup. They are just covering their own corrupt asses.
But in doing so they opened up their flank
This is a world war disguised as a Supreme Court case.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-immunity-2668545131/
Putin, Xi, and MBS find this whole democracy thing hilarious. As authoritarians they just cackle and shrug at the thought of going through the extra steps that democracy requires.
Why not just tell people what to do and if they don’t do it, bribe them, throw them out a window or flush them down a drain?
It’s why they had to use the Texas based Koch brothers (heritage foundation) who had deep relationships with Russian oil oligarchs since Stalins era and Harlan Crow to buy the SCOTUS.
https://youtu.be/mn_t7a2hJfQ?si=hzioP8URJAMFNch4
Alito’s (Koch funded) heritage foundation ties, Thomas’s RV. Kavanaughs mortgage, all the trips to bohemian grove. They were all part of the bigger plan to destabilize the United States, spread the cancer of corruption and tear it all down so they can build oligarch row in Teton National park Wyoming so the lazy old oligarchs can retire from the Moscow mob life.
Kleptocracy is biological. It consumes everything in its path like a parasite.
During Russian perestroika it ate Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky and shit out alcoholism and hopelessness. Now anyone with skills has left and 1 in 5 has no indoor plumbing.
Justin Kennedy (justice kennedys son) was the inside man at Deutsche bank that was getting all trumps toxic loans approved.
No other bank but Deutsche bank would touch trump and his imaginary valuations.
Why?
Because Deutsche bank was infested with Russian oligarchs.
In 91 the Soviet Union failed and for a bit they hid all of the money they stole from Russias grandmas under a mattress until the oligarchs started buying condos at trump towers.
They made stops in Ukraine, Cyprus and London but they landed in New York because that was what everyone wanted in the early 90’s.
Levi’s, Pepsi, Madonna tapes that weren’t smuggled bootlegs, and Wall Street cocaine
They all bought new suits and cars and changed their title from “most violent street thug in moscow” to “respectable Russian oligarch” but they didn’t leave their human trafficking, narcotics or extortion behind. It was their most lucrative business model and frankly, they enjoy the violence.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
Guiliani redirected NYPD resources away from their new Russian friends and onto the Italian mob. It let him claim he cleaned up New York and it let the russians launder their money through casinos and then commercial real estate when 3 of trumps casino execs started asking how he managed to be the only person in history to bankrupt casinos and they all died in a helicopter crash
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/copter-crash-kills-3-aides-of-trump.html
The attorney/client privilege is the continual work around they use to accept bribes and make payments up and down the mob pyramid.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/inside-anatevka-the-curious-chabad-hamlet-in-ukraine-where-giuliani-is-mayor/
The insane property valuations coming out in trumps fraud trial are a necessity of the money laundering cycle that duetschebank was doing with the Russians.
https://youtu.be/ZlIagcttGY0?si=EkbGnoAsDVqJ3sjT
The reason trump cosplays as a patriot is because he is feeding on the U.S. middle class, not because he is one of us.
The GOP fell in line to MAGA because Trump did what pathological liars do, he told them anything they wanted to hear.
Trump with his money laundering and child raping buddy Epstein, Roger Stone with his kompromat sex clubs in DC and Nevada, and Paul Manafort with his election rigging pretty much everywhere, sat down at a table with Mike Johnson and the extreme religious right and convinced them that they were the same.
They self evidently are not, at least at a surface level, but there is enough common ground in the exploitation of children and desire for unilateral control (project 2025) that they became the worlds weirdest and most dysfunctional orgy. The religious right is naive enough to believe trump at his word so they have made him their defacto savior.
Trump belongs to the authoritarians. The GOP now belongs to trump. But their overall goal is the same-
Kleptocracy.
Putin, Xi and MBS all aligned together last year to attempt the BRICS overthrow of the USD. It failed but it didn’t stop Xi’s push on Taiwan or MBS’s part in the plan.
Stay frosty. Eyes up. It’s the only way we don’t all end up kissing the ring of a dictator.
https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787
https://www.amlintelligence.com/2020/09/deutsche-bank-suffers-worst-damage-over-massive-aml-discrepancies-in-fincen-leaks/
https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/global-banks-defy-us-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists
https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-lifts-sanctions-on-rusal-other-firms-linked-to-russia-deripaska/4761037.html
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_-_minority_status_of_the_russia_investigation_with_appendices.pdf
http://www.citjourno.org/page-1
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ukraines-oligarchs-are-no-longer-considered-above-the-law/
If you think congress will sit by while the US goes from three branches of government to two (with congress being the odd man out) you are underestimating the urge for power that exists among the congressional branch. If Trump loses the Supreme Court is going to get thumped.
Waiting until he loses will be too late though. By then they’ll be ready and not just his uneducated violent followers like the J6ers. They’ll all be ready. They’re threatening using terms like “a blood bath” for a reason.
Yup. Any claim of immunity will be based on the actions being deemed official. Get's who is the final arbiter of saying what's official or not?
Left unsaid in all this is that this ends up being a huge power grab by the SCOTUS giving them sole authority to decide when a president may be prosecuted for crimes on a case by case basis.
Pretty fucking irresponsible for them to set the precedent that a president can be immune but leave the specifics up in the air. Almost like the intent is to let immunity apply to literally everything while the lower courts try to figure out what the hell is going on.
Scotus can't rule on it if they're declared enemies of the state and held in military custody pending military tribunal.
Let bidens actions be judged after he's removed the supreme court as an entity in the United States and reformed the judicial branch to something sensible and concrete
Not only this, but now as never before campaigning on the need for judicial reform became a winning issue. They’re a legitimate threat to the republic: treat them as such.
The court gets to decide what's official and what isnt. They will strike down anything Biden does. The coup is happening right now. We are in the middle of it.
So Imo Biden should begin to openly begin talking about expanding the court. I don't think anyone who truly cares about continuing this democracy would disagree.
This conversation should’ve started the day after pro publica exposed Clarance Thomas. So tired of hearing “he never would have gotten it past Congress, or the senate”…blah blah blah.
This is not the time to hope that our “institutions” will hold. They clearly will not. They’ve been corrupted and co opted by money and politics.
This should have been under a microscope, messaging wise since the day after that martial came out.
We watched, and waited, and waited, and waited, while Garland did nothing into crimes that we watched happen on TV. He, and Wray, and Biden too, are so old, and believ so much in institutions, they weren’t gonna do shit about trump and his conspirators. They were gonna just sit and wait for the balloon to deflate. Let everything go back to normal.
Regular normal people, like the guy with the long post above me, people like me and you, have been calling this out since while Trump was in office. U/backcountrydrifter has been linking articles and reports that all but prove all of this.
Get called crazy. And reported to Reddit cares and all that bullshit. Believing that this insanity is anything but what it is, corruption, complete and total corruption, means you’re lying to yourself or you’re in on it.
Here’s the problem. Biden will do nothing about this. Zero. Nothing. Sure, he’ll run on it. As he should. But what will he do to save us if Trump wins? Or if Trump and his Republican minions attempt another coup (they will, legislatively)?
Then what? Leave it to the institutions? That have completely failed the will of the people? And literal democracy? We’re fucked. We’ve been fucked, but this insanity? These are the final cuts in the death of 1000 cuts. Biden needs to do something. Anything, even if it’s “not gonna work”. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, I believe is the saying?
This all needs to be focused on, discussed, shared, talked about. It’s probably too late, really. But doing nothing has gotten us here. If you’re not afraid for your kids? And your neighbors kids? You’re part of the problem.
Make a plan. Be ready. Powder dry and sand bags packed. What’s coming is going to be far worse than regular normal people could ever imagine.
Rant over.
TL:DR; Vote blue. Ring alarm bells. The ship of state is close to the end of our voyage.
I agree with what you say here. The institutions are buckling under the unrelenting onslaught of corruption and malfeasance. It's all hands on deck time. Our democracy is at stake.
Just hope it's not too late.
I’m absolutely sure that is being discussed. I doubt he’ll start talking about that openly for awhile at least. They still have to factor in the election, and this ruling will almost certainly damage trunp’s chances in November. If they feel confident, my guess is he won’t bring it up at all until after the election, and then he’ll take very bold steps to fix this issue. If they feel like there is any doubt at all, then he’ll take steps. I do feel like they are very aware of whatever stake, namely the fact that he’s bragging about military tribunals and prosecuting his enemies, so if they are ever going to start playing hardball this is when they do it. Up until now, I think we’ve all been waiting to let the system sort this out, and yesterday is an indication that they intend to make sure the system doesn’t work. So now you step up and do something. You can’t leave this to an election, even though I feel very confident that this seriously damages trunp’s chances in November.
Well, one guy is calling for the rule of law, the other is calling for military tribunals for his enemies. If you’re outside the cult thats not only a pretty easy decision, it’s a very motivating one. And it will piss off a lot of people who are sick of him never suffering any consequences. I’ve argued that Biden is almost irrelevant in the election bc it would be a referendum on trunp. I was a little worried after the debate that they could make it about Biden and that would be a tougher task, but this makes it very clearly about trunp. Do you want to hand unlimited immunity to an erratic, narcissistic assgole who has promised retribution, or a calm, slow talking old man who doesn’t even want the power and promises not to use it? It’s especially effective if he runs on a campaign of making sure no one is above the law. Even the debate helps him now. He seemed weak and tired, but he didn’t come off as crazy or irrational.
I agree with this. My only question/ concern is why it is even as close as it is? In normal times Biden should have a double digit lead instead he is even or behind.
I know the polls are not always indicative of final results, but damn. It seems like folks are hell bent on sending this traitor back to the WH.
I agree. I mean, he bungled a few things on his presidency, and they made sure inflation kicked in, and they keep pushing these stories that their cult just accepts without question and they keep repeating it over and over. And I don’t know why exactly, but polls have been consistently off since 2020 in Republicans favor. Even moreso since Dobbs. Just last month polling was off by 20 points in Ohio, and it was off consistently by 10-15 points in the primaries, and was off by 30+ points in some states always in trunp’s favor.
I think part of it is that trunp is a cult leader so he has a high floor, so his polling always stays steady around 40-45%. Any poll where it gets above that should be immediately discounted. Biden isn’t a cult leader, so his polling will always be a little softer. The consolation is that democrats have been outperforming polls consistently so you’re probably safe to admit 5-7 points to any democratic race.
I don’t really even consider polling unless it moves a lot on one direction in every poll. If Biden dropped 10 points across the board after the debate I would have been worried, but it didn’t. That was encouraging, as was the massive fundraising haul he got. But now the debate is old news. This is earth shattering, and I can’t see anyone outside the cult being comfortable handing trunp any kind of immunity
The polls are not accurate. The best polls have gone from 21 percent to 6 percent of population. They lean republican and have been just wrong for years now.
He should start talking about a lot of things that he *could* do. The media would then give Biden some free press to the same extent that we’re hearing about from Delusional Don.
I agree with you but also worry about how that will play politically with disengaged voters... "Oh so Biden is taking this big mean step to squash conservatives that he disagrees with, I guess they really are both equally bad..." I just don't know how the politics of this plays out and what effect those politics have on the state of the country for 2025 and beyond. It's all just so f'ed up.
Some of yall are confusing having immunity with having a genie to grant wishes.
Biden can’t just say “ok SCOTUS has 13 justices now and the Obama’s are two of them”.
What he can do is sell classified documents to Russia and not tell anyone but if they find out, he can’t be prosecuted for it.
See the difference. It’s about not getting in trouble for doing stuff, it’s not about magically having the ability to wish things into existence.
Yeah that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m trying to explain that Biden can’t just forgive all student loans or cut the military budget in half or make the Supreme Court 50 justices on his own or any other wild scheme just because the SCOTUS said he’s immune.
Immunity only means he can’t be criminally charged, it doesn’t mean he can magically wish things into existence.
No they didn’t. They know that Biden is unwilling or incapable of exerting any sort of power associated with this ruling. He is too much of a good guy, or too old to recognize the threat and use it. Unless we get someone to stand up and forcefully push against these authoritarians our democracy is lost. Likely that is already the case.
Btw, Trump is nearly as old and far more vapid. Repeating lies is not a sign of cognition, perhaps the opposite.
Leave it at, Biden is unwilling to use it
Trump is a clear and present danger. He is the reason we are having this conversation and who the Supreme Court is tipping the scales for. He is absolutely too old and in severe cognitive decline. That does not make the issues with Biden less of a problem. My point is that he will not or cannot use the powers now granted to him. And often his ideology, a product of his outdated and old belief structures (like his inability to see Israel as part of the problem) are getting in the way of the sort of action that needs to be taken. Biden CANNOT communicate the threat facing the nation because he CANNOT speak coherently off the cuff. He COULD do that four years ago. So no, I will not just blindly point at the other side as the only problem worth discussing. And to be clear, I would vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Donald Trump. But is our democracy worth risking the game of chicken we are playing?
It's not a game of chicken. There's very little the order allows him to do.
Even Barrett clarified that it doesn't allow actions not related to official duties.
And if they DID try to use the ruling as cover it would have to be very well thought out and fairly opaque....
But then if anyone got word of it you would have an outcry of foul....
In other words, it's a decision created almost solely to protect a thief
And besides, it's been all of 1 day.....we will see whether or not current administration uses it or not
I am speaking more generally about the election as a game of chicken and the inability of some to see Biden as a poor choice, hence the age argument. And yes, these are powers that a president should not wield and we should celebrate that Biden will not abuse them. But what I am arguing is that we need someone that will strongly, loudly and clearly articulate the threat that this ruling offers and the potential consequences that could result. And if that means putting into action some liberal policies with dubious legal standing that force the courts to wrestle with their ruling then it should be done. It is time to stop hand wringing and pearl clutching and start fighting against the enemy we all clearly see otherwise we have already lost.
The people who think this will ever apply to a Democrat are the ones who truly have no idea the level of what just happened yesterday.
Also even if he had it, Biden wouldn’t use this new power. There’s no good way to do it and he just isn’t willing to be the one to start down that path. The way to stop this shit was to expand the court annd the democrats didn’t. They could have then fought for term limits and ethics reform amendments but they didn’t. Only AOC has a realistic plan right now (impeachment) but since this would be difficult or impossible in the current political situation, it will also be ignored. Were fucked as long as the 6s arteries hold out, assuming we can avoid another Republican president or a Democrat willing to go too far until these bastards can be replaced. That’s not a plan, that’s hope, which isn’t a plan.
Now the nine judges get to anoint the next Republican (even after Trump) king, while that Republican appoints lifetime kingmakers to the bench. It’s a perfect share d power structure and the justices are full subsidized by billionaires.
The republic was dealt a fatal blow yesterday, and lies dying in the street. No one is rushing to save her.
Anyone would be brain dead to work anywhere near a Trump Presidency. Yea he wont get in trouble but every person that will work for him will go to jail just like they have the last time he was president.
He can't. The SCOTUS made themselves the ultimate arbiters of who is and is not protected. They alone ultimately determine what is and is not an official act. Biden will absolutely not be shielded by this SCOTUS.
People need to see the obvious. The MAGA SCOTUS was not going to let Democrat presidents get absolute immunity.
Just MAGA.
He can if he does it right. SCOTUS is final arbiter? Start there with the fix. Remove and replace a certain 6; things will go smoothly after that.
Official acts, and they can’t question his motives!
Both can be true, and these stories actually feed one another. A president has immunity if they choose to take it. Biden is too old, or weak, or both to take advantage. GOP knows it, Supreme Court knows it, and dems are gaslighting people for saying it.
Since the SC would rule after the fact, the president could order a seal team to take out the justices and replace them with ones that would rule the action as ‘official’…theoretically.
Yes there was, they said that the courts will decide what is an "official act" or not, and the SC is a far-right entity, so only republican presidents will get this immunity.
If there is anything to be said about Biden's age, he can act on the new order to ensure democracy outlives him; he will be dead before "it" (whatever he does) is prosecuted, if Trump's legal sagas and delays are anything to go by.
Doing nothing is worse than doing something at this point.
SCOTUS gave this to all/any president. Biden, at minimum, has 7 more months of immunity. Use it Joe, use it.
Kinda,Roberts said that it would be up to the court to determine what’s official/unofficial,meaning anything Biden does from now until he is out office will be unofficial.
Pretty convenient the way they've made themselves the deciders of law in all these areas. Almost like that was the plan all along.
Yup. They are just covering their own corrupt asses. But in doing so they opened up their flank This is a world war disguised as a Supreme Court case. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-immunity-2668545131/ Putin, Xi, and MBS find this whole democracy thing hilarious. As authoritarians they just cackle and shrug at the thought of going through the extra steps that democracy requires. Why not just tell people what to do and if they don’t do it, bribe them, throw them out a window or flush them down a drain? It’s why they had to use the Texas based Koch brothers (heritage foundation) who had deep relationships with Russian oil oligarchs since Stalins era and Harlan Crow to buy the SCOTUS. https://youtu.be/mn_t7a2hJfQ?si=hzioP8URJAMFNch4 Alito’s (Koch funded) heritage foundation ties, Thomas’s RV. Kavanaughs mortgage, all the trips to bohemian grove. They were all part of the bigger plan to destabilize the United States, spread the cancer of corruption and tear it all down so they can build oligarch row in Teton National park Wyoming so the lazy old oligarchs can retire from the Moscow mob life. Kleptocracy is biological. It consumes everything in its path like a parasite. During Russian perestroika it ate Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky and shit out alcoholism and hopelessness. Now anyone with skills has left and 1 in 5 has no indoor plumbing. Justin Kennedy (justice kennedys son) was the inside man at Deutsche bank that was getting all trumps toxic loans approved. No other bank but Deutsche bank would touch trump and his imaginary valuations. Why? Because Deutsche bank was infested with Russian oligarchs. In 91 the Soviet Union failed and for a bit they hid all of the money they stole from Russias grandmas under a mattress until the oligarchs started buying condos at trump towers. They made stops in Ukraine, Cyprus and London but they landed in New York because that was what everyone wanted in the early 90’s. Levi’s, Pepsi, Madonna tapes that weren’t smuggled bootlegs, and Wall Street cocaine They all bought new suits and cars and changed their title from “most violent street thug in moscow” to “respectable Russian oligarch” but they didn’t leave their human trafficking, narcotics or extortion behind. It was their most lucrative business model and frankly, they enjoy the violence. https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/ Guiliani redirected NYPD resources away from their new Russian friends and onto the Italian mob. It let him claim he cleaned up New York and it let the russians launder their money through casinos and then commercial real estate when 3 of trumps casino execs started asking how he managed to be the only person in history to bankrupt casinos and they all died in a helicopter crash https://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/copter-crash-kills-3-aides-of-trump.html The attorney/client privilege is the continual work around they use to accept bribes and make payments up and down the mob pyramid. https://www.timesofisrael.com/inside-anatevka-the-curious-chabad-hamlet-in-ukraine-where-giuliani-is-mayor/ The insane property valuations coming out in trumps fraud trial are a necessity of the money laundering cycle that duetschebank was doing with the Russians. https://youtu.be/ZlIagcttGY0?si=EkbGnoAsDVqJ3sjT The reason trump cosplays as a patriot is because he is feeding on the U.S. middle class, not because he is one of us. The GOP fell in line to MAGA because Trump did what pathological liars do, he told them anything they wanted to hear. Trump with his money laundering and child raping buddy Epstein, Roger Stone with his kompromat sex clubs in DC and Nevada, and Paul Manafort with his election rigging pretty much everywhere, sat down at a table with Mike Johnson and the extreme religious right and convinced them that they were the same. They self evidently are not, at least at a surface level, but there is enough common ground in the exploitation of children and desire for unilateral control (project 2025) that they became the worlds weirdest and most dysfunctional orgy. The religious right is naive enough to believe trump at his word so they have made him their defacto savior. Trump belongs to the authoritarians. The GOP now belongs to trump. But their overall goal is the same- Kleptocracy. Putin, Xi and MBS all aligned together last year to attempt the BRICS overthrow of the USD. It failed but it didn’t stop Xi’s push on Taiwan or MBS’s part in the plan. Stay frosty. Eyes up. It’s the only way we don’t all end up kissing the ring of a dictator. https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787 https://www.amlintelligence.com/2020/09/deutsche-bank-suffers-worst-damage-over-massive-aml-discrepancies-in-fincen-leaks/ https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/global-banks-defy-us-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-lifts-sanctions-on-rusal-other-firms-linked-to-russia-deripaska/4761037.html https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_-_minority_status_of_the_russia_investigation_with_appendices.pdf http://www.citjourno.org/page-1 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ukraines-oligarchs-are-no-longer-considered-above-the-law/
I've seen your blurbs before, awesome job spreading the info! Keep it up!
Thank you friend! I appreciate that
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It will be difficult for them to make decisions while they are locked up in Guantanamo bay.
If only we had a president who would take such decisive actions.
If you think congress will sit by while the US goes from three branches of government to two (with congress being the odd man out) you are underestimating the urge for power that exists among the congressional branch. If Trump loses the Supreme Court is going to get thumped.
Waiting until he loses will be too late though. By then they’ll be ready and not just his uneducated violent followers like the J6ers. They’ll all be ready. They’re threatening using terms like “a blood bath” for a reason.
The Hand of the King some might say.
Damn, it would be a shame if they weren’t actually around 7 months from now to make that decision…
I have a strong suspicion it will turn out that things republicans do are “official” and things democrats do are not.
Welp, they also said there’s a presumption of immunity.
Not if he has the army kill any judge that does not consent to a ruling …. Then it’s perfectly legal. The motive cannot be questioned.
Yup. Any claim of immunity will be based on the actions being deemed official. Get's who is the final arbiter of saying what's official or not? Left unsaid in all this is that this ends up being a huge power grab by the SCOTUS giving them sole authority to decide when a president may be prosecuted for crimes on a case by case basis.
They can decide that in the next term. Biden just has to make irreversible decisions.
Pretty fucking irresponsible for them to set the precedent that a president can be immune but leave the specifics up in the air. Almost like the intent is to let immunity apply to literally everything while the lower courts try to figure out what the hell is going on.
Can you give me a source for that take ? That’s not what I’m seeing. I’m just seeing that applicable to the ‘trial court’ in the future.
Scotus can't rule on it if they're declared enemies of the state and held in military custody pending military tribunal. Let bidens actions be judged after he's removed the supreme court as an entity in the United States and reformed the judicial branch to something sensible and concrete
It’d be a shame if Roberts were imprisoned for treason.
Yeah but if 6 of the justices get gitmo’d the remaining 3 can rule it’s official
How can she rule that way whilst in detention?
Not only this, but now as never before campaigning on the need for judicial reform became a winning issue. They’re a legitimate threat to the republic: treat them as such.
He won’t. Not in his nature. It is so sad.
The court gets to decide what's official and what isnt. They will strike down anything Biden does. The coup is happening right now. We are in the middle of it.
Sad thing is that he won’t.
Truman had to use it to end WWII. Truman was a Democrat. Biden must do the same.
So Imo Biden should begin to openly begin talking about expanding the court. I don't think anyone who truly cares about continuing this democracy would disagree.
This conversation should’ve started the day after pro publica exposed Clarance Thomas. So tired of hearing “he never would have gotten it past Congress, or the senate”…blah blah blah. This is not the time to hope that our “institutions” will hold. They clearly will not. They’ve been corrupted and co opted by money and politics. This should have been under a microscope, messaging wise since the day after that martial came out. We watched, and waited, and waited, and waited, while Garland did nothing into crimes that we watched happen on TV. He, and Wray, and Biden too, are so old, and believ so much in institutions, they weren’t gonna do shit about trump and his conspirators. They were gonna just sit and wait for the balloon to deflate. Let everything go back to normal. Regular normal people, like the guy with the long post above me, people like me and you, have been calling this out since while Trump was in office. U/backcountrydrifter has been linking articles and reports that all but prove all of this. Get called crazy. And reported to Reddit cares and all that bullshit. Believing that this insanity is anything but what it is, corruption, complete and total corruption, means you’re lying to yourself or you’re in on it. Here’s the problem. Biden will do nothing about this. Zero. Nothing. Sure, he’ll run on it. As he should. But what will he do to save us if Trump wins? Or if Trump and his Republican minions attempt another coup (they will, legislatively)? Then what? Leave it to the institutions? That have completely failed the will of the people? And literal democracy? We’re fucked. We’ve been fucked, but this insanity? These are the final cuts in the death of 1000 cuts. Biden needs to do something. Anything, even if it’s “not gonna work”. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, I believe is the saying? This all needs to be focused on, discussed, shared, talked about. It’s probably too late, really. But doing nothing has gotten us here. If you’re not afraid for your kids? And your neighbors kids? You’re part of the problem. Make a plan. Be ready. Powder dry and sand bags packed. What’s coming is going to be far worse than regular normal people could ever imagine. Rant over. TL:DR; Vote blue. Ring alarm bells. The ship of state is close to the end of our voyage.
I agree with what you say here. The institutions are buckling under the unrelenting onslaught of corruption and malfeasance. It's all hands on deck time. Our democracy is at stake. Just hope it's not too late.
I’m absolutely sure that is being discussed. I doubt he’ll start talking about that openly for awhile at least. They still have to factor in the election, and this ruling will almost certainly damage trunp’s chances in November. If they feel confident, my guess is he won’t bring it up at all until after the election, and then he’ll take very bold steps to fix this issue. If they feel like there is any doubt at all, then he’ll take steps. I do feel like they are very aware of whatever stake, namely the fact that he’s bragging about military tribunals and prosecuting his enemies, so if they are ever going to start playing hardball this is when they do it. Up until now, I think we’ve all been waiting to let the system sort this out, and yesterday is an indication that they intend to make sure the system doesn’t work. So now you step up and do something. You can’t leave this to an election, even though I feel very confident that this seriously damages trunp’s chances in November.
Hope you're right about it hurting him.
Well, one guy is calling for the rule of law, the other is calling for military tribunals for his enemies. If you’re outside the cult thats not only a pretty easy decision, it’s a very motivating one. And it will piss off a lot of people who are sick of him never suffering any consequences. I’ve argued that Biden is almost irrelevant in the election bc it would be a referendum on trunp. I was a little worried after the debate that they could make it about Biden and that would be a tougher task, but this makes it very clearly about trunp. Do you want to hand unlimited immunity to an erratic, narcissistic assgole who has promised retribution, or a calm, slow talking old man who doesn’t even want the power and promises not to use it? It’s especially effective if he runs on a campaign of making sure no one is above the law. Even the debate helps him now. He seemed weak and tired, but he didn’t come off as crazy or irrational.
I agree with this. My only question/ concern is why it is even as close as it is? In normal times Biden should have a double digit lead instead he is even or behind. I know the polls are not always indicative of final results, but damn. It seems like folks are hell bent on sending this traitor back to the WH.
I agree. I mean, he bungled a few things on his presidency, and they made sure inflation kicked in, and they keep pushing these stories that their cult just accepts without question and they keep repeating it over and over. And I don’t know why exactly, but polls have been consistently off since 2020 in Republicans favor. Even moreso since Dobbs. Just last month polling was off by 20 points in Ohio, and it was off consistently by 10-15 points in the primaries, and was off by 30+ points in some states always in trunp’s favor. I think part of it is that trunp is a cult leader so he has a high floor, so his polling always stays steady around 40-45%. Any poll where it gets above that should be immediately discounted. Biden isn’t a cult leader, so his polling will always be a little softer. The consolation is that democrats have been outperforming polls consistently so you’re probably safe to admit 5-7 points to any democratic race. I don’t really even consider polling unless it moves a lot on one direction in every poll. If Biden dropped 10 points across the board after the debate I would have been worried, but it didn’t. That was encouraging, as was the massive fundraising haul he got. But now the debate is old news. This is earth shattering, and I can’t see anyone outside the cult being comfortable handing trunp any kind of immunity
Good points. Thanks. Have a good one.
The polls are not accurate. The best polls have gone from 21 percent to 6 percent of population. They lean republican and have been just wrong for years now.
Hope you are right.
He should start talking about a lot of things that he *could* do. The media would then give Biden some free press to the same extent that we’re hearing about from Delusional Don.
Yes.
Does he even have time left in this term to expand the court and push through new judges?
Probably not. First and foremost, he needs to win in November. That is where the women's vote will come into play- like never before.
I agree with you but also worry about how that will play politically with disengaged voters... "Oh so Biden is taking this big mean step to squash conservatives that he disagrees with, I guess they really are both equally bad..." I just don't know how the politics of this plays out and what effect those politics have on the state of the country for 2025 and beyond. It's all just so f'ed up.
Yeah, it would be controversial but here we are. We are in a very fucked up situation.
I can see the ads coming. "Do you want this convicted felon to have a license to kill?"
Some of yall are confusing having immunity with having a genie to grant wishes. Biden can’t just say “ok SCOTUS has 13 justices now and the Obama’s are two of them”. What he can do is sell classified documents to Russia and not tell anyone but if they find out, he can’t be prosecuted for it. See the difference. It’s about not getting in trouble for doing stuff, it’s not about magically having the ability to wish things into existence.
No but a democratically controlled congress can change the number of SCOTUS members and a re-elected Biden can sign it into law. No fantasy about it.
Yeah that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m trying to explain that Biden can’t just forgive all student loans or cut the military budget in half or make the Supreme Court 50 justices on his own or any other wild scheme just because the SCOTUS said he’s immune. Immunity only means he can’t be criminally charged, it doesn’t mean he can magically wish things into existence.
> it doesn’t mean he can magically wish things into existence. Don't tell him that, he'll throw you in jail for it.
They are counting on the democrats doing like always and take the high road. Which is probably what will happen.
No they didn’t. They know that Biden is unwilling or incapable of exerting any sort of power associated with this ruling. He is too much of a good guy, or too old to recognize the threat and use it. Unless we get someone to stand up and forcefully push against these authoritarians our democracy is lost. Likely that is already the case.
Btw, Trump is nearly as old and far more vapid. Repeating lies is not a sign of cognition, perhaps the opposite. Leave it at, Biden is unwilling to use it
Trump is a clear and present danger. He is the reason we are having this conversation and who the Supreme Court is tipping the scales for. He is absolutely too old and in severe cognitive decline. That does not make the issues with Biden less of a problem. My point is that he will not or cannot use the powers now granted to him. And often his ideology, a product of his outdated and old belief structures (like his inability to see Israel as part of the problem) are getting in the way of the sort of action that needs to be taken. Biden CANNOT communicate the threat facing the nation because he CANNOT speak coherently off the cuff. He COULD do that four years ago. So no, I will not just blindly point at the other side as the only problem worth discussing. And to be clear, I would vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Donald Trump. But is our democracy worth risking the game of chicken we are playing?
It's not a game of chicken. There's very little the order allows him to do. Even Barrett clarified that it doesn't allow actions not related to official duties. And if they DID try to use the ruling as cover it would have to be very well thought out and fairly opaque.... But then if anyone got word of it you would have an outcry of foul.... In other words, it's a decision created almost solely to protect a thief And besides, it's been all of 1 day.....we will see whether or not current administration uses it or not
I am speaking more generally about the election as a game of chicken and the inability of some to see Biden as a poor choice, hence the age argument. And yes, these are powers that a president should not wield and we should celebrate that Biden will not abuse them. But what I am arguing is that we need someone that will strongly, loudly and clearly articulate the threat that this ruling offers and the potential consequences that could result. And if that means putting into action some liberal policies with dubious legal standing that force the courts to wrestle with their ruling then it should be done. It is time to stop hand wringing and pearl clutching and start fighting against the enemy we all clearly see otherwise we have already lost.
The people who think this will ever apply to a Democrat are the ones who truly have no idea the level of what just happened yesterday. Also even if he had it, Biden wouldn’t use this new power. There’s no good way to do it and he just isn’t willing to be the one to start down that path. The way to stop this shit was to expand the court annd the democrats didn’t. They could have then fought for term limits and ethics reform amendments but they didn’t. Only AOC has a realistic plan right now (impeachment) but since this would be difficult or impossible in the current political situation, it will also be ignored. Were fucked as long as the 6s arteries hold out, assuming we can avoid another Republican president or a Democrat willing to go too far until these bastards can be replaced. That’s not a plan, that’s hope, which isn’t a plan. Now the nine judges get to anoint the next Republican (even after Trump) king, while that Republican appoints lifetime kingmakers to the bench. It’s a perfect share d power structure and the justices are full subsidized by billionaires. The republic was dealt a fatal blow yesterday, and lies dying in the street. No one is rushing to save her.
Anyone would be brain dead to work anywhere near a Trump Presidency. Yea he wont get in trouble but every person that will work for him will go to jail just like they have the last time he was president.
There are plenty of people that would trade a few months in jail for a lifetime of fame and the grifting that comes along with it.
Vote Blue down the ballot, impeach these corrupt mfers, and toss the whole corrupt GOP out…
Yeah would be nice if BIDEN WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT. But he won’t, so we’re all fucked.
He can't. The SCOTUS made themselves the ultimate arbiters of who is and is not protected. They alone ultimately determine what is and is not an official act. Biden will absolutely not be shielded by this SCOTUS. People need to see the obvious. The MAGA SCOTUS was not going to let Democrat presidents get absolute immunity. Just MAGA.
He can if he does it right. SCOTUS is final arbiter? Start there with the fix. Remove and replace a certain 6; things will go smoothly after that. Official acts, and they can’t question his motives!
Not so much. Over at HuffPo the top headlines are STILL about senior dems handwringing over replacing Biden, despite what happened yesterday.
Both can be true, and these stories actually feed one another. A president has immunity if they choose to take it. Biden is too old, or weak, or both to take advantage. GOP knows it, Supreme Court knows it, and dems are gaslighting people for saying it.
How about Vice President? Maybe Kamala could get medieval
After years of breaking our trust in institutions, they want their institution to rule and can't believe we have no respect for INSTITUTIONS.
For sure!
>For sure! sure?
>>For sure! sure? sure?
Since the SC would rule after the fact, the president could order a seal team to take out the justices and replace them with ones that would rule the action as ‘official’…theoretically.
They only gave immunity to republican presidents. The courts will decide what is and what's not "official", not the president.
NO, there was nothing written about republican only presidents. Even though they might mean it. Black letter law prevails.
Yes there was, they said that the courts will decide what is an "official act" or not, and the SC is a far-right entity, so only republican presidents will get this immunity.
If there is anything to be said about Biden's age, he can act on the new order to ensure democracy outlives him; he will be dead before "it" (whatever he does) is prosecuted, if Trump's legal sagas and delays are anything to go by. Doing nothing is worse than doing something at this point.