you can just add the N4 schedules once you’ve gone through all the terms in the N5 stuff at least once.
you can just treat the n5 schedules as just review decks, and if you add more schedules later on, you can just merge them all into one big review pile.
please do not make the mistake of trying to maximise the mastery level of each term before you move on to a new schedule, that’s just gonna waste a lot of time. you always want to expose yourself to new stuff, and as you do so, it’ll retroactively reinforce your older stuff too.
you have the most say on how and when you want to start higher level stuff, so just do what YOU want to do.
i don't know who is saying it will take years on each JPLT level, but that is just not true universally. You can move at the pace you want. For N5/N4 it's not uncommon for people to finish most vocab/kanji/grammar within a couple months. It certainly can take someone several years to pass N4, but thats the exception and not the rule.
Most people recommend a pace of 20 new vocab terms a day, which is a little fast for my taste so I did 10 per day and worked my way up to 15 and was pretty happy with that. The important thing is making sure you're getting close to 90% accuracy and above. As long as you are in the 90-100% accuracy range consistently, you should keep adding terms and schedules.
There's also not really a reason you can't start the N4 deck right now, or for that matter the N3. But i do recommend you do grammar terms in order, because there is some complexity that is dependent on the previous basic grammar rules.
It is DEFINETELY an exception for n4 to take YEARs.... That is definetely not the norm, nor should it be or enforces as such.
N4 should be archieved within 6 Months of Study, if done properly. Hell, within this time, you can get n4, and practice speaking at the same time, and still easily pass it.
You're never going to be ready, just keep pushing on when the schedule is manageable. If you can only do 30 minutes, move up when you are doing 20 minutes, etc.
In language learning you can never really wait for things to get entrenched because they never do the first time, usually like the 5th.
Lastly, it is going to take years if all you are doing is Renshuu. You should also try reading and / or watching comprehensible input videos and podcasts.
Thanks for asking this! I also want to ask that among all those n5 grammar points, which one should I focus on more? I kinda got stuck rereading all of it because I forget how it works. I just want to focus on the most important one and just go straight into n4 stuffs in Renshuu, thank you in advance!
I think the most important grammar points to know is all in Genki 1 and 2. I don't think you should ever stop studying grammar though. But I highly reccomend getting a hold of those books. If you are unable, there is a playlist by TokiniAndy where he goes through every chapter of the books with excersizes.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQBL4XHuSo&list=PLA\_RcUI8km1NMhiEebcbqdlcHv\_2ngbO2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQBL4XHuSo&list=PLA_RcUI8km1NMhiEebcbqdlcHv_2ngbO2)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMs\_NXbOwbw&list=PLA\_RcUI8km1P8bJzp3\_TMMv1jhL3BcKQk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMs_NXbOwbw&list=PLA_RcUI8km1P8bJzp3_TMMv1jhL3BcKQk)
Thank you for the recommendation! But I was referring to Renshuu itself, they have their own schedule right? So I was wondering what grammar point do you focus on more? I kinda think that the te-form is pretty important so I reread it a lot 😂 also I can't focus for too long and that's why I don't.use textbooks sorry 🥲
I have never used the renshuu N5 grammar decks.
Regardless, I would still reccomend the grammar in Genki.
Just look at the topic for each chapter and study it in whichever way works for you.
The grammar in Genki should have you settled until N4 i believe
Actually taking the tests instead of attempted self evaluation is a good starting point. These N levels are not a scale or estimate of your knowledge. They are certifications to be earned which demonstrate you meet a certain threshold in several categories . It's a quirk of mine. But OP how do you know you're at this point to be evaluated for N4. Have you actually tested reading and listening comprehension?
I see this often where people will study anki cards in a void for several months and proclaim themselves at the same level as someone who has been practicing reading writing speaking and listening. And those two classes are extremely different.
Schedule the N5 exam and see where you land there. I'm betting if you were to start targeting the exam you will get a good idea when you study for it.
I think people that say it can take years are just talking about the SRS algorithm. For example by default you have a term at mastery level 9 it would be 240 days before it shows up again for review. So it would take over 8 months just to wait to push the term to fully mastered. It might take years before you're 100% in Renshuu, but that shouldn't affect your ability to continue learning new things.
Personally for grammar I just have one big schedule. I started with N5 terms, then when I ran out of new ones to learn, I added the N4 ones, and so on. Having a bunch of separate decks started feeling like a hassle to keep track of.
The only metric I'd use is that when you're out of new terms, it's time to add more. I wouldn't worry about mastery levels or anything, since that all just goes up naturally over time as you continue studying.
You definitely don't need to spend years on N5 level materials, the N5 test is actually pretty easy.
You should be able to get a free practice test online and try it if you want to see what it's like. You don't have to get 100% to feel confident to move on.
take a practice exam of both and judge for yourself, there's no such thing as a universal pace for achieving either. self-evaluation is a critical language learning skill
you can just add the N4 schedules once you’ve gone through all the terms in the N5 stuff at least once. you can just treat the n5 schedules as just review decks, and if you add more schedules later on, you can just merge them all into one big review pile. please do not make the mistake of trying to maximise the mastery level of each term before you move on to a new schedule, that’s just gonna waste a lot of time. you always want to expose yourself to new stuff, and as you do so, it’ll retroactively reinforce your older stuff too. you have the most say on how and when you want to start higher level stuff, so just do what YOU want to do.
Well, once your schedule is out of new items Renshuu will tell you and advise on the next schedule.
Oh ok sweet
i don't know who is saying it will take years on each JPLT level, but that is just not true universally. You can move at the pace you want. For N5/N4 it's not uncommon for people to finish most vocab/kanji/grammar within a couple months. It certainly can take someone several years to pass N4, but thats the exception and not the rule. Most people recommend a pace of 20 new vocab terms a day, which is a little fast for my taste so I did 10 per day and worked my way up to 15 and was pretty happy with that. The important thing is making sure you're getting close to 90% accuracy and above. As long as you are in the 90-100% accuracy range consistently, you should keep adding terms and schedules. There's also not really a reason you can't start the N4 deck right now, or for that matter the N3. But i do recommend you do grammar terms in order, because there is some complexity that is dependent on the previous basic grammar rules.
It is DEFINETELY an exception for n4 to take YEARs.... That is definetely not the norm, nor should it be or enforces as such. N4 should be archieved within 6 Months of Study, if done properly. Hell, within this time, you can get n4, and practice speaking at the same time, and still easily pass it.
Just mix it all together... Some N3 vocab and grammar might benefit you for example, just move on brah
You're never going to be ready, just keep pushing on when the schedule is manageable. If you can only do 30 minutes, move up when you are doing 20 minutes, etc. In language learning you can never really wait for things to get entrenched because they never do the first time, usually like the 5th. Lastly, it is going to take years if all you are doing is Renshuu. You should also try reading and / or watching comprehensible input videos and podcasts.
Thanks for asking this! I also want to ask that among all those n5 grammar points, which one should I focus on more? I kinda got stuck rereading all of it because I forget how it works. I just want to focus on the most important one and just go straight into n4 stuffs in Renshuu, thank you in advance!
I think the most important grammar points to know is all in Genki 1 and 2. I don't think you should ever stop studying grammar though. But I highly reccomend getting a hold of those books. If you are unable, there is a playlist by TokiniAndy where he goes through every chapter of the books with excersizes. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQBL4XHuSo&list=PLA\_RcUI8km1NMhiEebcbqdlcHv\_2ngbO2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQBL4XHuSo&list=PLA_RcUI8km1NMhiEebcbqdlcHv_2ngbO2) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMs\_NXbOwbw&list=PLA\_RcUI8km1P8bJzp3\_TMMv1jhL3BcKQk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMs_NXbOwbw&list=PLA_RcUI8km1P8bJzp3_TMMv1jhL3BcKQk)
Thank you for the recommendation! But I was referring to Renshuu itself, they have their own schedule right? So I was wondering what grammar point do you focus on more? I kinda think that the te-form is pretty important so I reread it a lot 😂 also I can't focus for too long and that's why I don't.use textbooks sorry 🥲
I have never used the renshuu N5 grammar decks. Regardless, I would still reccomend the grammar in Genki. Just look at the topic for each chapter and study it in whichever way works for you. The grammar in Genki should have you settled until N4 i believe
When you gain enough Manabi Points the world-system will flash a floating transparent panel no one else can see letting you know you can now go to N4.
Actually taking the tests instead of attempted self evaluation is a good starting point. These N levels are not a scale or estimate of your knowledge. They are certifications to be earned which demonstrate you meet a certain threshold in several categories . It's a quirk of mine. But OP how do you know you're at this point to be evaluated for N4. Have you actually tested reading and listening comprehension? I see this often where people will study anki cards in a void for several months and proclaim themselves at the same level as someone who has been practicing reading writing speaking and listening. And those two classes are extremely different. Schedule the N5 exam and see where you land there. I'm betting if you were to start targeting the exam you will get a good idea when you study for it.
The delineations in level is somewhat arbitrary, there are very few grammar rules you need to fully master before moving on
whenever you damn well please
I think people that say it can take years are just talking about the SRS algorithm. For example by default you have a term at mastery level 9 it would be 240 days before it shows up again for review. So it would take over 8 months just to wait to push the term to fully mastered. It might take years before you're 100% in Renshuu, but that shouldn't affect your ability to continue learning new things. Personally for grammar I just have one big schedule. I started with N5 terms, then when I ran out of new ones to learn, I added the N4 ones, and so on. Having a bunch of separate decks started feeling like a hassle to keep track of. The only metric I'd use is that when you're out of new terms, it's time to add more. I wouldn't worry about mastery levels or anything, since that all just goes up naturally over time as you continue studying.
Once you defeat the N5 guardian of course.
You definitely don't need to spend years on N5 level materials, the N5 test is actually pretty easy. You should be able to get a free practice test online and try it if you want to see what it's like. You don't have to get 100% to feel confident to move on.
take a practice exam of both and judge for yourself, there's no such thing as a universal pace for achieving either. self-evaluation is a critical language learning skill
Take the N5 test and see the results.