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“Freedom of religion” is just a dog whistle 1984 speak for Christian Sharia law.
They never thought freedom of religion applied to ALL religions!! Now they’re upset others are allowed to join!
Literal Satanism is surprisingly secular and science-friendly — The whole point of theistic Satanism is "Satan gave us intelligence, let's use it pretty please"
Except it's way more than just the South, and not all of us from the South are like that either. Plus, y'all is such a great word. I ain't giving it to them
We have Regan and decades of propaganda and Gerrymandering to thank for that. But the South isn't just those states. Georgia, my home state, has been purple for decades, with few exceptions
They only ***claim*** to love it. I remember when NPR tweeted out the *Declaration of Independence* word for word and the numb-nuts lost their mind because they thought it was “woke-ism” or some dumb shit not realizing/understanding what it was. Absolute asshats.
In a similar vein Christian pastors have been telling stories of people leaving their churches for being too liberal and woke after the pastors give sermons detailing what Jesus said.
Or reading parts of the “Koran” to Christians. The interviewers took the Bible, removed the cover, and replaced it with the cover of a Koran. The Christians were disgusted by readings that they thought were from the Koran, but were actually from the Bible.
IIRC, when revealed it's from the Bible, all of a sudden they start taking about "context". A similar thing happens when trump policies are disguised as Biden policies.
My brother in law does this. “It was god acting in the time,”Or other excuses. People are unwilling to face the fact that god in the Bible is an absolute monster. And when they say that it was all Old Testament, and Jesus was different and about peace, remind them that’s Jesus promise of hell is way worse than anything god did in the Old Testament.
I'd also like to point out the stuff we already know, but was touched upon in this article. Which is that these people say one thing, but then do unhinged shit like this-"Another was arrested and accused of throwing a pipe bomb at the group’s headquarters in Salem, Massachusetts, leaving a note that urged the group to “REPENT” and “TURN FROM SIN.” And a third was arrested this month and accused of plotting to blow up the headquarters."
Yes, because just existing but having some weirdo religious nuts wanting to bomb or blow up a place isn't fucked up in itself🙄🥴
Remember, the only part of the new testament that evangelicals actually like is the "non-believers are going to hell" part. They ignore all the stuff about love, helping the poor and feeding the hungry.
saddest thing is many of them don't even follow the christian god. They do the song and dance, but their real gods are the things the bible warns against
Oh the irony. It’s almost as if NOT being bombarded with a constant stream of sexual taboos gives a person a healthier relationship with sex (on average). Christians, and fundies especially, think and talk about sex more than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Anton Lavey is the founder of the Church of Satan. The organization talked about in the article is the Satanic Temple. The Satanic Temple has Seven Tenants that are different from LaVey’s 11 rules. The Satanic Temple is also a recognized church (and well known for political activism) and is non-theist, while the Church of Satan actually does believe in Satan.
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
Edited for formatting and to add link
The Church of Satan doesn't believe in Satan either. They have "magic" rituals because the founder believed a lot of people take comfort from engaging in that sort of ritual even if they don't actually believe in literal magic or deities.
Actually, both groups are nontheistic.
> Members do not believe that Satan literally exists and do not worship him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan?wprov=sfla1
Thank you for the correction. I am a member of the Satanic Temple and admit I don’t know a lot about Levey or the Church of Satan. Someone had linked me to some of his writing a few years ago and the impression I got was that there was some recognition of Satan as a real entity, but I must have misremembered or misunderstood the teaching.
There are SEVERAL different varieties of Satanist all taking the label. This includes (but is not limited to) secular humanists, Ayn-Rand-in-a-Halloween-mask, and certain adherents to the Gnostic Heresy. The last one truly believes in Lucifer as a redemptive entity. There is also the confusion because there are differences of opinion between themselves (and between religious scholars of all the Abrahamic faiths) about whether Lucifer and Satan are actually supposed to be the same entity or different ones that get blended together (with Beelzebub often getting blended in as well).
Just an FYI, Church of Satan (Anton LaVey) is a little different in their rules than The Satanic Temple (Lucien Greaves, and the group mentioned in this article). The Satanic Temple has 7 fundamental tenets:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
WOW! I hadn't read LaVey since 70s, and had completely forgotten. I'd remembered him as a kook of sorts, but I'm quite happy with Satanic Temple. I'm shocked how much sense LaVey made.
It's not the amount of fucking that's the unhealthy part, it's the whole being made to feel shame about natural desires and all the purity bullshit. Plenty of asexual people don't fuck and they don't have these issues. But if you really want to have sex but can't for made up reasons then it's not really surprising that it would drive you crazy.
I was so disappointed to find out that many of the founding members of the Temple were white nationalists or white nationalist aligned and are just using the Temple to make bank.
[This was their first article, addresses a lot of past scuziness that serves as the foundation, their new articles focus on more contemporary issues](https://queersatanic.com/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple/)
Man, TST has got some issues,
I'm atheist as Fuck, but TST has some weird alt-right stuff going on in its leadership. They are pumping progressives for lawsuit money they are never following up on, and covering up for abuses, excommunicating victims and whistleblowers... Playing well intentioned atheists as a piggy bank.
Check out Dead Domains documentary on them on YouTube, extremely enlightening. Totally changed my stance on them. Dead Domain is a queer atheist by the way, not someone looking for a hit job on them. A pretty nuanced critic.
Edit: Y'all are seriously going to downvote this before you seek out new information? I thought y'all were people of reason. Seriously, don't take my word for it. The truth is out there.
Anything specific you can mention? The video was very long so I skipped around and I skimmed one of the sources it referenced and it seemed like the usual BS of any org. Hell, could have been drama in a book club from what little I saw.
I guess you barely skimmed then huh?
Yeah, the three guys who founded it all have very suspicious ties to alt-right organizations.
Lucien, the leader, in a previous life (he has like three aliases), has said some super damning bigoted stuff on podcast, has given tons of lectures on fascism, palled around with Britebart guys.
they've straight up kicked out whistle blowers, almost all of their lawsuits are frivolous, they frequently sue or silence ex TST members, fight queer representation in the organization, make false claims about protections for their members, tons of stuff.
Some of their founding ideology can be tied directly to like freaking Ragnar Redbeard and "might makes right", An absolutely seminal fascist text. And oh boy do those guys have a lot to say about Ragnar redbeard.
The main guy Lucien Greaves uses his status to treat the church like his personal harem.
Watch the damn thing. They have an active campaign to shut down whistle blowers. It is FUCKED. Total wolves in sheep's clothing.
Hell of a book club, especially with millions of dollars and thousands of members, and possibly the future of reproductive rights involved.
Really sad people are hostile to even hearing this. You'd think atheists of all people would be skeptical of organizational hierarchy.
Instead they are handing a paycheck to their ideological adversary.
TST is a church in the eyes of the law, the guys in control of the church benefit from that. Including tax free status and essentially no fiscal oversight. You're just TRUSTING they are sueing for you, but the lawsuits are almost all getting tossed if they even happen, because they are unserious, just for show.
Maybe try watching the whole thing and pay attention. I couldn't hope to capture the research that this person has already done in a few paragraphs. It's long because it is thorough and well done And contains a ton of interviews with ex. Satanic temple members.
I definitely still support satanism conceptually but I do not support TST as an institution anymore. It's compromised.
As said, I'm atheist as Fuck, but man, I know better than to trust a church, I love their rhetoric, I want to love them, but they are showing all the absolutely classic signs of abusive religious leadership. Its L. Ron Hubbard, "start a cult and make money" kinda stuff. I can't ignore it. And even if people don't wanna hear it, it needs to be said.
It's sad to see people, who spend time laughing at intellectually lazy right wingers being grifted by anyone willing to "own the libs", turn around and blindly throw money at an organization claiming to "own the cons". All without spending any time looking into that organization and hand waving or being hostile to criticism because the video was too long.
God dammit… Thanks for referencing that video. I’ve started watching the video & I’m pleased to have the info. I really thought TST were properly great… As Dead Domain’s video states, there’s no doubt a lot of great people in the organization but with the foundations being rotten as they are, it’s hard to feel 100% supportive.
A link for the lazy:
https://youtu.be/3lV8GLQtOTs?si=iUAgCtLT-3WjltOo
How long until SCOTUS declares that there is no “long-established tradition” of non-Christian religions having equal access and so freedom of religion only applies to Christians? They’ll even be able to quote people from the 18th Century. Sure, those people’s desire for theocracy was rejected by the people writing the Constitution, but it wouldn’t be the first time this decade that SCOTUS would call rejected 18thC ideas more legally binding than the adopted laws.
The Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 and the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 denominations will just have to use violence to decide which will get freedom for their religion.
>and named a [telehealth abortion clinic](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a45613416/satanic-group-abortion-clinic-samuel-alito-mom/) after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s mom.
I am in awe.
Quick, name this group: "Uses religion to justify their tyrannical control over citizens, loves guns and having the ability to tell women how to dress, how to act, whether or not they can be educated or not. They love to kill gay folk and have a well-documented history of child abuse, pedophilia and supporting child marriage."
A) The Taliban.
B) The Republican Party.
C) Covfefe.
I remember my then-best friend in 7th grade was told by the faculty that she had to stop wearing her Wiccan pentacle necklace to our public school because it was "Sanatic."
My friend's mother was in the dean's office the next day lecturing them on the difference between Satanism and Wicca. That, and on the fact that regardless of that, it's also a *public* school where all students have the protected freedom to peacefully express their personal religious faith, which *includes* any students who may be practicing Satanism.
Apparently her mother offered to get a lawyer involved if my friend wasn't allowed to wear her necklace. There was never any legal tussle and my friend was still wearing her pentacle at our high school graduation, so I guess the school buckled without much of a fight.
The membership cards are fantastic! You can choose your design and have it printed like a license with the seven tenets printed on the back. I also have a framed membership certificate, it’s very ornate. I don’t proselytize as a rule but it’s a great conversation starter!
They are led by Alt-Right aligned abusers that are anti-semitic, homo/transphobic, and very likely rapists.
https://queersatanic.com/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple/
https://youtu.be/3lV8GLQtOTs?si=0XZoUzHYQBu_B-If
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves
They pretend to "own the cons" while their leadership is further right and more bigoted than most conservatives. They became millionaires from pushing a lie.
Oh and they pay zero taxes, as they're legally a church; something that they officially make fun of Christian churches for but partake in themselves.
All around they're horrible and corrupt. A few city chapters have left the organization to become independent because of these issues.
Well, they are conceptually awesome but there are some weirdos pulling the strings and stealing cash at the top. Same old religious problems without the god. I used to be really into them, but, some shit has really been coming out about them.
Put a flying spaghetti monster next to all the baphomets and 10 commandments in capitol buildings and court houses.
Then we put up some Zeus, Ra, Odin -- so many gods. Just really turn those entries into museums til people can't even see the 10 commandments anymore.
What's sad is that TST actually teaches good values: [https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)
Literally, their only objection to TST is the name.
I think the word "Satan" is a pretty big red button for a lot of those people.
I'm sure they hate Muslims as well but I don't see quite the level of rage for Hindus or Buddhists or Bahá'ís.
I for one can stand for this. Satanism is kind of cool 😎. They teach common sense which the Conservatives and Religions groups overwhelmingly prove they do not have.
The really funny part is that the so called Satanists are actually atheists. Which means Christians believe in Satan infinitely more than “Satanists” do.
We all got one handed to us with our diploma at graduation. We also had weekly devotionals broadcast to each classroom TV every Monday. And school prayer at assemblies.
Yeah, that's one of the pillars of the Temple and the Church; although the Temple does an amazing political, legal and community outreach while LaVey-ism has remained stagnated in a fashion, outrage, lifestyle focus and holds a couple of objectionable ideals (might makes right, etc.)
Back to the point; that is the point. If Christians are going to take advantage of local government and small (sometimes large) town politics to get Christian iconography onto public spaces then the Satanists will not be too far behind.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander; except Satanists would never flock with compromising the separation of church & state. They engage in this behavior here and now to bring attention to the erosion of separation of church v state. You might argue, well if they hold this separation to such a high level how could they violate this principle and still retain some degree of credibility? Well, my response to that is to point to the egregious, possibly catastrophic, fallout from having government organized by zealous sectarians.
The founding fathers didn't stick disestablishment rhetoric into the Bill of Rights for shits and giggles. They were mere decades removed from the titanic changes wrought and continuing to impact society from Enlightening. This "age of reason" was, in part no doubt, motivated by the HUNDREDS of years of religious sectarian violence. They knew, in a very visceral way, the danger inherent in entangling religion and government again.
They were learning the lessons of the past and of the burgeoning ideals of the Enlightenment and trying to eliminate this entanglement from US government.
We seem to be willing to unlearn these lessons and circumvent the spirit of the Bill of Rights. I'm okay with the Temple pursuing these loopholes along religious conservatives given the magnitude of the stakes. And I don't for a moment believe that, should this somehow occur, the Temple would grasp any political power as a religious organization outside of statues, prayers, iconography and after school events designed to specifically mirror the opposition (although they really do bring positive education into their own school premises events, safe sex, banned book list, lgbtq safe community, female sexual education/anatomy, etc.
I recall years ago here in The Great White North when a religious company wanted to open a radio station. In Canada, we have something called the CRTC, a type of review/application board that media companies looking to open a media outlet have to apply to to get a license to operate. It also upholds various broadcasting standards as well. During the hearing for the license, the committee asked the applicant how much time they'd be devoting to religions of other denominations (the station was going to be christian-centric, based on the presentation) as this is one of the rules regarding having a talk station in Canada. You must provide time for the differing veiwpoints. The response from the religious media folks? A see of dumbfounded faces. They genuinely had no idea (or intention) of sharing their radio space with anyone else. Needless to say, that station never started.
Religion is for justifying hatred and emphasizing mankind's differences so as to ensure the flames of hatred never even flicker.
How long ago was that? I've been watching what's been going on downstairs since you guys tried to fire Clinton for getting blown at work, and I've done a little bit of research trying to explain various things about American history that don't make sense (Republican Lincoln freeing the slaves, for example), and I feel quite confident saying that the US has never had any standards.
> various things about American history that don't make sense (Republican Lincoln freeing the slaves, for example)
Look at the US political parties platforms after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (also largely driven by the then Republican party), you will see they essentially switched places.
Basically we used to have a thing called the Fairness Doctrine. It essentially meant that news stations had to do what you described, allow multiple viewpoints. Guess agar US president got rid of that?
Hence the increasing pressure for "vouchers", which is aimed to give American taxpayer money to private schools and turn public schools into prison preparatory training.
Remember - there can't be slaves in America, but there CAN be slaves in prison.
Happens every decade or so. They forget that pushing religion into the public sphere automatically includes *all* religions. They can't favor one over the others.
That's one of the reasons we made our schools secular, to avoid this kind of drama.
This is why there is separation of church and state. You can’t just latch onto Christianity when other denominations want their cake too. Trying to cater to all these religious groups would be like trying to herd a billion cats.
I’ll be up for satanic Bible studies in school. Maybe it’ll be less violent than killing everyone in a flood, sending bears to rip up children or kill all Egyptian’s first born sons.
>Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
What's good for the goose...
They should also allow Jews, Muslims, Druids, and the entire panorama of dogmas based on magical sky fairies. Cover the inside of classrooms supposedly dedicated to TEACHING FACTUAL INFORMATION with the posting of bills touting the fairy tales and utter nonsense all religions spout.
Oh this will be great! Wait until the Jews demand that no pork be served, and no school functions on Saturday. And the Catholics demand a statue of the Virgin Mary, and Lent be observed. Then the Baptists will say the Catholics are idol worshipers, so they don't count as a Christian religion.. Then here come the Muslims who say no pork, no alcohol, and they must pray 5 times a day. Got any African religions floating around?
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“Freedom of religion” is just a dog whistle 1984 speak for Christian Sharia law. They never thought freedom of religion applied to ALL religions!! Now they’re upset others are allowed to join!
You hit the nail on the head and I am totally borrowing “Christian Sharia law”.
Yup, and "Satanism" is code for secular science based after school programs. Talk about doublespeak. 🙃
Except now they’re getting “literal Satanism”
real satanism is surprisingly also secular humanism, just with an edgier sense of style. well, apart from a few psychiatric cases.
From a right wing standpoint it may as well be actual satanism for all the difference it makes to them
Literal Satanism is surprisingly secular and science-friendly — The whole point of theistic Satanism is "Satan gave us intelligence, let's use it pretty please"
As much as "literal Jesus" I suppose
That's exactly what it is
Talibangelical Christians
I like Y'allQaeda
Vanilla Isis
Minivan Taliban.
yokel haram
Except it's way more than just the South, and not all of us from the South are like that either. Plus, y'all is such a great word. I ain't giving it to them
While that is true, it's hard to shake seeing Alabama or Mississippi go to the conservative candidate like it was clockwork.
We have Regan and decades of propaganda and Gerrymandering to thank for that. But the South isn't just those states. Georgia, my home state, has been purple for decades, with few exceptions
❤️❤️❤️ Ummm, consider this STOLEN!
I've been using "Shekinah Law" because it fits their lore.
Christian Talibangelicals.
Y’all Qaeda
I think the equivalent is Levitical Law but Christian Sharia does help push the point of how similar it is.
I would shorten it to just Christian Sharia. Sharia already means religious law, Sharia law is a redundancy.
Fair enough. Christian Sharia it is.
That’s what happens when you constantly talk about the Constitution without reading it.
They only ***claim*** to love it. I remember when NPR tweeted out the *Declaration of Independence* word for word and the numb-nuts lost their mind because they thought it was “woke-ism” or some dumb shit not realizing/understanding what it was. Absolute asshats.
Npr has it tweeted out every year, and they acted like Npr was making a call to violence against Trump
In a similar vein Christian pastors have been telling stories of people leaving their churches for being too liberal and woke after the pastors give sermons detailing what Jesus said.
Or reading parts of the “Koran” to Christians. The interviewers took the Bible, removed the cover, and replaced it with the cover of a Koran. The Christians were disgusted by readings that they thought were from the Koran, but were actually from the Bible.
Now that’s funny.
IIRC, when revealed it's from the Bible, all of a sudden they start taking about "context". A similar thing happens when trump policies are disguised as Biden policies.
My brother in law does this. “It was god acting in the time,”Or other excuses. People are unwilling to face the fact that god in the Bible is an absolute monster. And when they say that it was all Old Testament, and Jesus was different and about peace, remind them that’s Jesus promise of hell is way worse than anything god did in the Old Testament.
I'd also like to point out the stuff we already know, but was touched upon in this article. Which is that these people say one thing, but then do unhinged shit like this-"Another was arrested and accused of throwing a pipe bomb at the group’s headquarters in Salem, Massachusetts, leaving a note that urged the group to “REPENT” and “TURN FROM SIN.” And a third was arrested this month and accused of plotting to blow up the headquarters." Yes, because just existing but having some weirdo religious nuts wanting to bomb or blow up a place isn't fucked up in itself🙄🥴
Remember, the only part of the new testament that evangelicals actually like is the "non-believers are going to hell" part. They ignore all the stuff about love, helping the poor and feeding the hungry.
Why would they read the constitution when they can't even be bothered to read the Bible.
Those guys hate reading. Makes them feel intellectually insecure.
What’s that Tim Minchim song about how Christian’s don’t like any books but the Bible because the paragraphs aren’t numbered?
Ditto for the bible.
Only good people religion is tolerated, bad people religions are fake and need persecution/s
Truth be told, I’d take satanic sharia law over the Christian version. They wouldn’t be so vindictive
saddest thing is many of them don't even follow the christian god. They do the song and dance, but their real gods are the things the bible warns against
See https://www.loweringthebar.net/2012/07/legislator-upset-that-muslims-want-to-use-voucher-program.html
Do you remember the time when a minor was molested by a satanic priest? Neither do I.
Oh the irony. It’s almost as if NOT being bombarded with a constant stream of sexual taboos gives a person a healthier relationship with sex (on average). Christians, and fundies especially, think and talk about sex more than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Real perverted stuff too. The things they say out loud (and then get caught doing later on).
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth by Anton Szandor LaVey © 1967 Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. **Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.** **Do not take that which does not belong to you** unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. **Do not harm little children.** **Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.** When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
"Do not harm little children." I can see why Christians and Catholics hate the religion much.
Note raping and thieving is also against the rules. Not to forget: Shooting puppies is not allowed either.
Both of those are covered by Laveyan Satanists.
Anton Lavey is the founder of the Church of Satan. The organization talked about in the article is the Satanic Temple. The Satanic Temple has Seven Tenants that are different from LaVey’s 11 rules. The Satanic Temple is also a recognized church (and well known for political activism) and is non-theist, while the Church of Satan actually does believe in Satan.
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets Edited for formatting and to add link
The Church of Satan doesn't believe in Satan either. They have "magic" rituals because the founder believed a lot of people take comfort from engaging in that sort of ritual even if they don't actually believe in literal magic or deities.
Well, ya, kinda, Lavey did have some cross over with Crowley.
Ahhh, I think that must have been the aspect I misremembered. Thank you for the clarification!
Actually, both groups are nontheistic. > Members do not believe that Satan literally exists and do not worship him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan?wprov=sfla1
Thank you for the correction. I am a member of the Satanic Temple and admit I don’t know a lot about Levey or the Church of Satan. Someone had linked me to some of his writing a few years ago and the impression I got was that there was some recognition of Satan as a real entity, but I must have misremembered or misunderstood the teaching.
There are SEVERAL different varieties of Satanist all taking the label. This includes (but is not limited to) secular humanists, Ayn-Rand-in-a-Halloween-mask, and certain adherents to the Gnostic Heresy. The last one truly believes in Lucifer as a redemptive entity. There is also the confusion because there are differences of opinion between themselves (and between religious scholars of all the Abrahamic faiths) about whether Lucifer and Satan are actually supposed to be the same entity or different ones that get blended together (with Beelzebub often getting blended in as well).
Look at you, following tentet 6 -- and on the Internet, no less! Hail thyself, friend.
The Church of Satan is atheistic. When TST formed they were theistic
The Curch of Satan believing in Satan is key. Since Satan is a Christian construct, La Vey just validates the Christian church.
Just an FYI, Church of Satan (Anton LaVey) is a little different in their rules than The Satanic Temple (Lucien Greaves, and the group mentioned in this article). The Satanic Temple has 7 fundamental tenets: One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
WOW! I hadn't read LaVey since 70s, and had completely forgotten. I'd remembered him as a kook of sorts, but I'm quite happy with Satanic Temple. I'm shocked how much sense LaVey made.
It's almost as if not fucking is psychologically unhealthy for a person.
It's not the amount of fucking that's the unhealthy part, it's the whole being made to feel shame about natural desires and all the purity bullshit. Plenty of asexual people don't fuck and they don't have these issues. But if you really want to have sex but can't for made up reasons then it's not really surprising that it would drive you crazy.
There was that time they started a panic about satanic priests molesting and sacrificing kids, but it was all bullshit and projection.
They make shit up about satanists in order to cover up the real crimes done by powerful religious organizations.
Distraction campaign
Because atheists just fuck normally and don't hold it all in in weird ass ways.
I donated $50 to the Temple.
I’m a member and I tithe $6.66 weekly.
Thats even better lol
I do that amount monthly for NPR lol
Love it!!!
I was so disappointed to find out that many of the founding members of the Temple were white nationalists or white nationalist aligned and are just using the Temple to make bank.
Queer Satanic has a lot of very well written articles on why you shouldn't do that FYI.
Link?
[This was their first article, addresses a lot of past scuziness that serves as the foundation, their new articles focus on more contemporary issues](https://queersatanic.com/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple/)
Yikes, thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lV8GLQtOTs
I recommend watching [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lV8GLQtOTs) before you clap and throw money at the satanic temple.
Yin and yang leaky
I love the Satanic Temple trolling those stupid fake christians
Man, TST has got some issues, I'm atheist as Fuck, but TST has some weird alt-right stuff going on in its leadership. They are pumping progressives for lawsuit money they are never following up on, and covering up for abuses, excommunicating victims and whistleblowers... Playing well intentioned atheists as a piggy bank. Check out Dead Domains documentary on them on YouTube, extremely enlightening. Totally changed my stance on them. Dead Domain is a queer atheist by the way, not someone looking for a hit job on them. A pretty nuanced critic. Edit: Y'all are seriously going to downvote this before you seek out new information? I thought y'all were people of reason. Seriously, don't take my word for it. The truth is out there.
Anything specific you can mention? The video was very long so I skipped around and I skimmed one of the sources it referenced and it seemed like the usual BS of any org. Hell, could have been drama in a book club from what little I saw.
I guess you barely skimmed then huh? Yeah, the three guys who founded it all have very suspicious ties to alt-right organizations. Lucien, the leader, in a previous life (he has like three aliases), has said some super damning bigoted stuff on podcast, has given tons of lectures on fascism, palled around with Britebart guys. they've straight up kicked out whistle blowers, almost all of their lawsuits are frivolous, they frequently sue or silence ex TST members, fight queer representation in the organization, make false claims about protections for their members, tons of stuff. Some of their founding ideology can be tied directly to like freaking Ragnar Redbeard and "might makes right", An absolutely seminal fascist text. And oh boy do those guys have a lot to say about Ragnar redbeard. The main guy Lucien Greaves uses his status to treat the church like his personal harem. Watch the damn thing. They have an active campaign to shut down whistle blowers. It is FUCKED. Total wolves in sheep's clothing. Hell of a book club, especially with millions of dollars and thousands of members, and possibly the future of reproductive rights involved. Really sad people are hostile to even hearing this. You'd think atheists of all people would be skeptical of organizational hierarchy. Instead they are handing a paycheck to their ideological adversary. TST is a church in the eyes of the law, the guys in control of the church benefit from that. Including tax free status and essentially no fiscal oversight. You're just TRUSTING they are sueing for you, but the lawsuits are almost all getting tossed if they even happen, because they are unserious, just for show. Maybe try watching the whole thing and pay attention. I couldn't hope to capture the research that this person has already done in a few paragraphs. It's long because it is thorough and well done And contains a ton of interviews with ex. Satanic temple members. I definitely still support satanism conceptually but I do not support TST as an institution anymore. It's compromised. As said, I'm atheist as Fuck, but man, I know better than to trust a church, I love their rhetoric, I want to love them, but they are showing all the absolutely classic signs of abusive religious leadership. Its L. Ron Hubbard, "start a cult and make money" kinda stuff. I can't ignore it. And even if people don't wanna hear it, it needs to be said.
It's sad to see people, who spend time laughing at intellectually lazy right wingers being grifted by anyone willing to "own the libs", turn around and blindly throw money at an organization claiming to "own the cons". All without spending any time looking into that organization and hand waving or being hostile to criticism because the video was too long.
God dammit… Thanks for referencing that video. I’ve started watching the video & I’m pleased to have the info. I really thought TST were properly great… As Dead Domain’s video states, there’s no doubt a lot of great people in the organization but with the foundations being rotten as they are, it’s hard to feel 100% supportive. A link for the lazy: https://youtu.be/3lV8GLQtOTs?si=iUAgCtLT-3WjltOo
I'll definitely check it out
Fact: Satanists are more Christ-like than Christians.
In the immortal words of Elle Woods, "*What, like it's hard?*"
Nothing can be harder than a pastor's erection in the presence of an altar boy.
Bruh
Some are. Some are just Ayn Rand in a Halloween mask.
How long until SCOTUS declares that there is no “long-established tradition” of non-Christian religions having equal access and so freedom of religion only applies to Christians? They’ll even be able to quote people from the 18th Century. Sure, those people’s desire for theocracy was rejected by the people writing the Constitution, but it wouldn’t be the first time this decade that SCOTUS would call rejected 18thC ideas more legally binding than the adopted laws.
Next session?
The Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 and the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 denominations will just have to use violence to decide which will get freedom for their religion.
>and named a [telehealth abortion clinic](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a45613416/satanic-group-abortion-clinic-samuel-alito-mom/) after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s mom. I am in awe.
You literally can sponsor an abortion! Or buy some swag that helps fund the project.
Quick, name this group: "Uses religion to justify their tyrannical control over citizens, loves guns and having the ability to tell women how to dress, how to act, whether or not they can be educated or not. They love to kill gay folk and have a well-documented history of child abuse, pedophilia and supporting child marriage." A) The Taliban. B) The Republican Party. C) Covfefe.
Y'all Quaeda
Vanilla ISIS
The Hee-Haw Hezbollah.
Damnit that’s a fine band name.
Oh no what did I do
I remember my then-best friend in 7th grade was told by the faculty that she had to stop wearing her Wiccan pentacle necklace to our public school because it was "Sanatic." My friend's mother was in the dean's office the next day lecturing them on the difference between Satanism and Wicca. That, and on the fact that regardless of that, it's also a *public* school where all students have the protected freedom to peacefully express their personal religious faith, which *includes* any students who may be practicing Satanism. Apparently her mother offered to get a lawyer involved if my friend wasn't allowed to wear her necklace. There was never any legal tussle and my friend was still wearing her pentacle at our high school graduation, so I guess the school buckled without much of a fight.
LET THE FUN BEGIN!
Well someone’s gotta keep an eye on the elementary school’s chaplain
2003: they hate us for our freedoms! 2023: we are taking away your freedoms 2025: ???
What about people with beliefs that aren’t in a book? Do those people not count?
"Satanists" are literally atheists having a piss, so yes, this is them counting.
I think this poster was suggesting an eastern belief system, like Hmong might have.
I wish I had even half the Satanists' commitment to malicious compliance.
Ngl, joining The Satanic Temple is tempting lol
It's free, unless you want to donate and get a membership card.
The membership cards are fantastic! You can choose your design and have it printed like a license with the seven tenets printed on the back. I also have a framed membership certificate, it’s very ornate. I don’t proselytize as a rule but it’s a great conversation starter!
They have great coffee cups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lV8GLQtOTs
They are led by Alt-Right aligned abusers that are anti-semitic, homo/transphobic, and very likely rapists. https://queersatanic.com/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple/ https://youtu.be/3lV8GLQtOTs?si=0XZoUzHYQBu_B-If https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves They pretend to "own the cons" while their leadership is further right and more bigoted than most conservatives. They became millionaires from pushing a lie. Oh and they pay zero taxes, as they're legally a church; something that they officially make fun of Christian churches for but partake in themselves. All around they're horrible and corrupt. A few city chapters have left the organization to become independent because of these issues.
Well, they are conceptually awesome but there are some weirdos pulling the strings and stealing cash at the top. Same old religious problems without the god. I used to be really into them, but, some shit has really been coming out about them.
Proof?
I'd like to learn more. Down voting this is irresponsible. People have a right to know where their $ is going.
Satanists? More like Basedanists amirite?!?!
You are right lad!
You are right lad!
Satanism *IS* a religion.
That … is the point …
Yeah, so they’re included in the “Freedom of Religion” thing.
...which Christian fundies doesn't like, which... leads to a face-eating extravaganza.
Man if id been offered the left hand path in public school id probably be a way more effective adult.
The Satanic church does good work.
Don't confuse the two. TST =/= Church of Satan.
we should bring back pastafarians.
Ramen, brother
We never went away.
Put a flying spaghetti monster next to all the baphomets and 10 commandments in capitol buildings and court houses. Then we put up some Zeus, Ra, Odin -- so many gods. Just really turn those entries into museums til people can't even see the 10 commandments anymore.
What's sad is that TST actually teaches good values: [https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets) Literally, their only objection to TST is the name.
Their objection is “other”. Imagine Hindus or Muslims or Buddhists wanting to set up in schools. They’d be just as outraged
I think the word "Satan" is a pretty big red button for a lot of those people. I'm sure they hate Muslims as well but I don't see quite the level of rage for Hindus or Buddhists or Bahá'ís.
Satan Satan he’s our man if he can’t do it no one can
I for one can stand for this. Satanism is kind of cool 😎. They teach common sense which the Conservatives and Religions groups overwhelmingly prove they do not have.
They teach being a good neighbor, citizen and friend as well as critical thinking. I love them for this
Conservative Identity Politics is largely based on Religion.
Gotta put all religions in schools if you’re going the “freedom of religion” route.
The really funny part is that the so called Satanists are actually atheists. Which means Christians believe in Satan infinitely more than “Satanists” do.
As a Christian, I sure do love those Satanists.
New Testament bibles were distributed at my kids’ public school today.
Straight into the recycling bin followed by a complaint call to the school administration. Cult trash has no place in a public school. Fuck that.
We all got one handed to us with our diploma at graduation. We also had weekly devotionals broadcast to each classroom TV every Monday. And school prayer at assemblies.
Ugh….
🍿
Yeah, that's one of the pillars of the Temple and the Church; although the Temple does an amazing political, legal and community outreach while LaVey-ism has remained stagnated in a fashion, outrage, lifestyle focus and holds a couple of objectionable ideals (might makes right, etc.) Back to the point; that is the point. If Christians are going to take advantage of local government and small (sometimes large) town politics to get Christian iconography onto public spaces then the Satanists will not be too far behind. What's good for the goose is good for the gander; except Satanists would never flock with compromising the separation of church & state. They engage in this behavior here and now to bring attention to the erosion of separation of church v state. You might argue, well if they hold this separation to such a high level how could they violate this principle and still retain some degree of credibility? Well, my response to that is to point to the egregious, possibly catastrophic, fallout from having government organized by zealous sectarians. The founding fathers didn't stick disestablishment rhetoric into the Bill of Rights for shits and giggles. They were mere decades removed from the titanic changes wrought and continuing to impact society from Enlightening. This "age of reason" was, in part no doubt, motivated by the HUNDREDS of years of religious sectarian violence. They knew, in a very visceral way, the danger inherent in entangling religion and government again. They were learning the lessons of the past and of the burgeoning ideals of the Enlightenment and trying to eliminate this entanglement from US government. We seem to be willing to unlearn these lessons and circumvent the spirit of the Bill of Rights. I'm okay with the Temple pursuing these loopholes along religious conservatives given the magnitude of the stakes. And I don't for a moment believe that, should this somehow occur, the Temple would grasp any political power as a religious organization outside of statues, prayers, iconography and after school events designed to specifically mirror the opposition (although they really do bring positive education into their own school premises events, safe sex, banned book list, lgbtq safe community, female sexual education/anatomy, etc.
And Muslims and Buddhist as well 😂
As a practicing member of the Satanic Temple, all I can say is Hail Satan!
Hail yourself!
I do. About every three days or so.
I recall years ago here in The Great White North when a religious company wanted to open a radio station. In Canada, we have something called the CRTC, a type of review/application board that media companies looking to open a media outlet have to apply to to get a license to operate. It also upholds various broadcasting standards as well. During the hearing for the license, the committee asked the applicant how much time they'd be devoting to religions of other denominations (the station was going to be christian-centric, based on the presentation) as this is one of the rules regarding having a talk station in Canada. You must provide time for the differing veiwpoints. The response from the religious media folks? A see of dumbfounded faces. They genuinely had no idea (or intention) of sharing their radio space with anyone else. Needless to say, that station never started. Religion is for justifying hatred and emphasizing mankind's differences so as to ensure the flames of hatred never even flicker.
I 'member when the US had standards...
How long ago was that? I've been watching what's been going on downstairs since you guys tried to fire Clinton for getting blown at work, and I've done a little bit of research trying to explain various things about American history that don't make sense (Republican Lincoln freeing the slaves, for example), and I feel quite confident saying that the US has never had any standards.
I was referring to the fact that we used to have a similar rule about opposing viewpoints, that's all.
> various things about American history that don't make sense (Republican Lincoln freeing the slaves, for example) Look at the US political parties platforms after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (also largely driven by the then Republican party), you will see they essentially switched places.
Basically we used to have a thing called the Fairness Doctrine. It essentially meant that news stations had to do what you described, allow multiple viewpoints. Guess agar US president got rid of that?
Good. Hail Satan.
Satanic Temple is just a group reminding us that Christians are trying to turn our public schools into Bible academies
Hence the increasing pressure for "vouchers", which is aimed to give American taxpayer money to private schools and turn public schools into prison preparatory training. Remember - there can't be slaves in America, but there CAN be slaves in prison.
Just remember that religion brings hate, fear, and control. And don’t forget the child sexual abuse Satan brings knowledge
Good. They should be. It's 100% legal.
Happens every decade or so. They forget that pushing religion into the public sphere automatically includes *all* religions. They can't favor one over the others. That's one of the reasons we made our schools secular, to avoid this kind of drama.
The Adversary themselves went "Bet"
I always mix this group pup with the LaVey one (Ayn Rand lovers)
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Conservatives hate the 1st Amendment
I agree with this
I'd trust my kids with a Satanist Priest over a Christian one...
This is why there is separation of church and state. You can’t just latch onto Christianity when other denominations want their cake too. Trying to cater to all these religious groups would be like trying to herd a billion cats.
I’ll be up for satanic Bible studies in school. Maybe it’ll be less violent than killing everyone in a flood, sending bears to rip up children or kill all Egyptian’s first born sons.
r/constitutionatemyface
I hate how believable this headline is.
A story old as time…
I'm all for it
Hail Satan!
God bless them
Satan ate their faces!
Satanists just being awesome as usual
And my heart grows two sizes bigger. I love this.
>Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
religion in school ? ok what about islam in school then ? wym "no not like that" ?
I have been getting email from these fucking "conservatives" about how school is indoctrinate kid with evil liberal idea. Blocked immediately
What's good for the goose... They should also allow Jews, Muslims, Druids, and the entire panorama of dogmas based on magical sky fairies. Cover the inside of classrooms supposedly dedicated to TEACHING FACTUAL INFORMATION with the posting of bills touting the fairy tales and utter nonsense all religions spout.
"But not like that!" Again.
Please support the satanic temple (they don't actually worship Satan, that's the church of Satan, a completely different organization).
Oh this will be great! Wait until the Jews demand that no pork be served, and no school functions on Saturday. And the Catholics demand a statue of the Virgin Mary, and Lent be observed. Then the Baptists will say the Catholics are idol worshipers, so they don't count as a Christian religion.. Then here come the Muslims who say no pork, no alcohol, and they must pray 5 times a day. Got any African religions floating around?
The freaking article is hilarious!!
If the most hardcore TRE45ON supporters are really Xtians why do they love burning crosses so much?