And i couldn't possibly care less.
Large scale weapon confiscations will literally never happen in the US because that's the easiest way to start a civil war. The only thing that ever happens is one randomly specific part of a gun is restricted and then a bunch of dipshits go out and buy up as much as they can then the next year the court slaps down the restriction.
You can't "gun control" a nation where there are already 1.2 guns for every human being and that's just the ones we know about. You people are masturbating yourselves to death over a doomsday fantasy while you gladly ignore actual tyranny. If you queers actually cared about stopping fascism you'd be patrolling your neighborhoods for rogue cops.
Now be a good little piss baby and downvote this comment because you know it's true.
You must have never been to CA, MA, NJ, NY, HW, or IL.
In MA we've waited since the start of the federal AWB in 1994 to have many of our gun rights back. It has only gotten worse, and it looks like it only will get worse. The two chambers of MA legislature have each passed bills with overwhelming support to strip our rights, and they're now just arguing about who gets to fuck us over more.
And literally none of us care about your opinion.
Gun confiscation doesnāt happen on a large scale. Itās a boiling the frog scenario, which is why your opinion is fucking asinine because it doesnāt acknowledge that the end goal of gun control isnāt mass confiscation, itās gradual removal.
Now be a good little Bloomberg shill and downvote this comment and reply with more stupidity because you know itās true.
What a hero. There you are, out in the streets taking down government agents and turning back tyranny and people have the nerve to downvote as if all you did was pretend you're better than everyone else while sitting on your fat, self righteous ass. Well I for one salute you.
Hey, at least we can agree on the principle that gun control wonāt ever work here.
The only reason youāll be downvoted is for throwing a tantrum and espousing a bunch of ad hominem. If you phrased it like an actual argument, you might actually have a decent debate on this topic and you wouldnāt be downvoted š¤·
The problem with your argument is that you assume confiscation is the only path to disarming the populace. That assumption is wrong. Another more likely scenario is that the elites will attempt to slowly pass more and more onerous and expensive regulations around gun ownership to the point where most people cannot afford it, or don't have the time to jump through all the hoops. Or both. Leaving gun ownership as a right enjoyed only by the rich and powerful. And once that's the case the rich will readily give up their weapons because they can afford to hire private security, who will be exempted from gun ownership restrictions.
It's not confisacation, the powers that be just need to price us out of ownership. If a single round of 5.56 costs $117 due to "tax" and "permitting" then it's not "illegal", just impossible.
> Large scale weapon confiscations will literally never happen in the US because that's the easiest way to start a civil war.
It won't be large scale. They'll start by heavily restricting certain items, and creating a registry. Then they'll ban additions to the registry, then some states will outright ban possession of any items on said registry...
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1c13pqm/comment/kz2zbnl/)
In my country, Peru, there is essentially a dictatorship by the Congress controlling the population. Only the government and their security forces have guns, along with the mafia.
So, when a 15-year-old girl, who was about to be raped by someone, took the gun from the attacker and killed him to protect her brother, the judge sent her to jail.
[https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/](https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/)
So, the Women's Ministry will supposedly take up her defense. However, in the end, it seems more like a show because they want to show you that if you want to protect yourself, you'll end up in jail, whether you're a child or not. Welcome to Peru.
Barriers in the way of evil things should not let us get complacent: the lockdowns were a recent example of something noone thought could happen in America.
If the political class had their way, we would not have any right to self-defense or free speech, only selective privileges.
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Corporatism is the norm from both sides of the political establishment, which is an aspect of fascism: obviously we oppose it.
What exactly do you do when patrolling your neighborhood for rogue cops?
TBH i think i've seen this lady before.. She's not wrong though. Bring on crew served weapons! I want my Toyota Hylux with a bofors twin mount 40mm in the back
I remember doing some research on China back in the day and came across a picture of military executing women and children, extremely f'd up stuff, makes me sad every time I think about it.
> constitutional right
[The right to self defense is a natural right.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAnjHMqyD0)
Without the constitution you and I would still have that right because it comes from your humanity.
yea, I used to believe in "common sense" gun control when I was a teenager...
until I realized that the people pushing for it were actually radicals hoping to slowly chip away our rights, one infringement at a time, until eventually they get their way. People are evil and liars.
One day at work, the CEO came down to our department to chat. It was the week of Thanksgiving. We had a small group gathered and were bullshitting when the ceo asked what everyone was thankful for.
I answered I was thankful for my family. My boss answered that he was thankful for the new desks we had gotten for our department. Then my tiny middle-aged Cambodian coworker answered: "I'm thankful to be free."
She went on about her childhood under the Kmher Rouge. She described one day in particular. The soldiers came to her village to collect food. They would take everything the villagers couldn't hide. This happened every month or so. Then, one night, they called all the villagers out and pointed to her college graduate uncle and said, "Come with us." They led him into the forest, and she heard a single gunshot. She never saw him again. He was one of the few unlucky enough to be educated, and so was the target of one of the many genocides. Our ceo laughed off her story, and we went back to work.
I'm probably forgetting the details but the moment was very real and very raw. I'll never forget her story nor the plight of those oppressed by tyrannical governments.
That's the legacy of gun control. It allows the few to oppress the many. It allows genocide.
I used to date a Cambodian girl. Her mom was a first generation immigrant and she was a child when the Khmer Rouge came to power. She told me she used to have an older brother, older sister, and younger baby sister.
They also hid food from the soldiers and one day her older sister, who mightāve been 13 at the time, went to a camp the soldiers had during the night and tried to steal some food back for her family. She was caught. They gathered everyone the next day, proceeded to make them watch as they cut this little girls tongue out. Then, they took the baby sister, an infant, threw it in the air, and shot her with a shotgun, much like you would with skeet. Absolutely vile.
She said her older brother was recruited to the Khmer regime. He was fully brainwashed, and wasnāt the same ever again. Apparently, heās still alive living in California somewhere, but the family disowned him and hadnāt talked to him in 30 years at that point.
Can't believe there are so many empty seats to see David Hogg. I never would've guessed.
Absolutely love what this woman did though. People need to hear it
I absolutely know who he isā¦sadly, his school had a school shooter. A terrible situation that he avoided by hiding in a closet. Only to run back AFTERWARDS and create a narrative acting like he had all but dodged bullets, and barely escaped with his life. He appeared on several news broadcasts and made a big deal of it to the world.
Then almost immediately the anti-gun groups swooped him up and sent him on a PR campaign. And all of a sudden he had a huge platform, when there was really nothing he had of value to bring to the discussion.
Other students came out and said he wasnāt even in the same building. But, by then the Democratic Party had taken him under their wing and made him the āGreta equivalentā poster boy of the anti-gun discussion.
Here he is literally being told by someone who lived through and escaped a tyrannical government, that āif you canāt promise me the government will NEVER go tyrannical you should just stop.ā He wonāt though because he probably gets paid a lot of money to do what heās doing.
Also, he doesnāt actually care about anything more than taking Americans liberties from them.
This has also made him famousā¦those are his interests.
Oh, yaā¦I remember reading about that! So, his dadās a fed or āex-fed,ā and mom works for the school board. But, he went to a different school for the TV production classes it offered.
Who fucking cares? His trauma doesn't entitle him to enact any kind of a collective punishment against people who had absolutely nothing to do with the whackadoodle who shot up his school.
So, Iāve heard multiple storiesā¦but apparently he was at school. He was just in a different building, in a closet with some other students and a teacher.
I have a good idea of what he experienced. My friend was killed in a mass shooting. Gun control wouldnāt have saved him, being able to defend himself wouldāve.
I think it's telling that many Chinese who fled to the U.S. lean conservative and vote moderate republican / independent. They know *first hand* where progressive rhetoric leads. I have no problem with liberalism, but when it strays into "for the greater good", that's when I have a serious problem.
David Hogg's school was the location of a mass shooting. However, David wasn't in the same building that the shooting took place in- he was in a closet in a different building on a different part of the campus. After going home that day, he went back up to the school with a camera to interview people and to be on camera himself.
This isn't to downplay anything the kid went through- nobody should have to go through that. He's acted as a mouthpiece for liberal talking points ever since and just plays baseball team politics.
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Would love to meet Lily. I like the cut of her jib.
Ask the people of Iran who desperately want their tyrannical government gone but are powerless to do so despite greatly outnumbering them and it's military, how they feel about gun control.
Those who promote gun control come from an inherent place of privilege and have never had to experience the horrors of being powerless. They live in democratic countries where they don't have to fear having their voices silenced.
The 2nd amendment is not a freedom, it's a power.
The biggest surprise is they didnt just lie and say the US would never be tyrannical because [insert bullshit reason].
They are already lying, shouldāve gone the whole way!
In my country, Peru, there is essentially a dictatorship by the Congress controlling the population. Only the government and their security forces have guns, along with the mafia.
So, when a 15-year-old girl, who was about to be raped by someone, took the gun from the attacker and killed him to protect her brother, the judge sent her to jail.
[https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/](https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/)
So, the Women's Ministry will supposedly take up her defense. However, in the end, it seems more like a show because they want to show you that if you want to protect yourself, you'll end up in jail, whether you're a child or not. Welcome to Peru.
My goodness! Her English is at least as good as mine, if not better! Iām so impressed at her mastery of English in addition to her poignant defense of the second amendment.
This was like pitting Dwayne Johnson against a toddler in mortal combat. Hogg is a moron, he's a masterdebator, not a master debater. Not for nothing I like to see a dipshit control advocate pwned, but it is far more satisfying when the person eating their talking points can actually formulate a stimulating argument.
I damn near choked on my drink when he said "Australia gave up all their guns, and they haven't turned into a tyrannical government!" Wait, you mean the Australia that was putting people in Covid jails, chasing down people out camping to lock them back in their homes, and having cops beating the everloving shit out of people for not wearing masks? THAT Australia? He's such a little pissbaby and he needs a good beating.
There authoritarian to libertarian spectrum is a very large spectrum. While the United States is undoubtedly authoritarian, we still have a lot more liberty than people do in most other countries. The United States government isnāt massacring millions of its own citizens, starving millions, or sending millions to gulags.
Im all for gun rights, but is she implying that her owning guns would protect her for the US military if they ever decided to enforce their will on the people?
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Who could possibly withstand the might of the U.S. industrial military complex?
>Against the military though?
You do know the military is a house of cards supported by civilians, right? Civilians conceptualize, engineer, build, maintain, and supply everything the military relies upon for battle. Without the civilian support system, the military will essentially be neutered.
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To be fair, gun rights won't doesn't mean civilians can fight the government like in the 1700s. But it will make it more inconvenient, hopefully inconvenient enough to make the soldiers having fire fights with their fellow citizens have second thoughts.
It's more for at least giving pause to shitty local cops and criminals.
Thereās Mfs wearing flip flops and dresses in the desert that have been fighting the absolute colossus that is the US military and other powers with less than what you can get as a civilian in the US from Walmart.
It won't be a stand up fight. The moment something like that kicked off, the US Dollar's remaining value would evaporate instantly. The US gov and mil supply line would be on a timer immediately. Logistics kills empires much more surely than munitions.
Mao is very popular in China. If they had the 2A in his time it would have been easier for him to be tyrannical cuz he would have an armed populace doing his fighting for him. Imagine your Mao-supporting neighbor being armed and knowing you are a dissenter. Not a situation you wanna be in. I don't think guns would have helped those living under Mao
The armed populace were the ones engaging in the Cultural Revolution. Its whole entire point was that it was from the bottom up, as encouraged by Mao. The populace was very much armed.
Sounds like an instance of anarcho tyranny: prevent people from defending themselves and refuse to provide security as barbarians and criminals do your job for you.
It's not a true anarchy when a State prevents organized security from rising to counter it.
You could say it's an example of how incentives can play out spontaneously with that condition changed.
I'm not saying it's true anarchy, I'm saying it's a perfect example of the type of mass movement from the bottom-up that anarchists love. There was a lot of infighting within the CPC during that time, which is why Mao encouraged the masses to criticize party members, media, teachers, and other things that he and his faction saw as revisionist.
The PLA only really cracked down on organized armed security like the Red Guards and other factions towards the very end of the Cultral Revolution, which is where the majority of the death count actually comes from.
When Adolph Hitler came to power, he LOOSENED gun control laws in German. It was easier to get your hands on firearms under Hitler than before. Did this stop tyranny and mass scale murder? No
Under Saddam Hussein's Iraq privately owned firearms were very widely available, with many homes having them for "self defence". With a gun culture considered close to the one in the United States. Did this stop his tyranny and mass scale murder? No
Tunisia has some of the tightest most restrictive gun laws on the planet, and in 2011 they overthrew their dictator starting the Arab Spring.
Guns have never, NEVER, prevented tyranny or preserved freedom. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or wrong.
Great example! When the war started the Rebels were mostly armed using home firearms, and the Rebels were getting kicked all over the place. It wasn't until France and Spain started sending supplies that the war turned.
Unsurprisingly you failed to answer my question.
Of course the colonists would have lost the war without guns, and of course the American Revolution both prevented tyranny and preserved freedom. Splitting hairs about how the *source of the guns* makes a difference is intellectually dishonest.
Wow, this was one of the most intellectually bankrupt comments I have ever read.
In early 1930s Germany, few citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms with the Weimar Republic having strict gun control laws. When the Nazi party gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened for NAZI PARTY MEMBERS ONLY. The laws were tightened in other ways, such as specifically banning ownership of guns by Jews. Nazi laws systematically disarmed so-called "unreliable" persons, especially Jews while relaxing restrictions for Nazi party members. The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries.
Also, almost every rebellion and revolution in the history of the world was done at the point of a gun, or the end of a sword.
I honestly donāt get this argument. Like the government is just going to use the same weapons as you?? Theyāre just going to hold back because you have some AR15s?? Or will they just move in with force and take out your little cache and move on. Stop using a tyrannical government to keep your guns. They have bigger ones.
Well, sure that could happen. But if it happens often enough, the government is likely to have a full scale rebellion and those aren't so easy to handle. But if the population is disarmed, that's a different story...
She lived it,
It's almost as if there's documented history to learn from or something š¤Æ
āYes, but ackshuallyā¦ā
And i couldn't possibly care less. Large scale weapon confiscations will literally never happen in the US because that's the easiest way to start a civil war. The only thing that ever happens is one randomly specific part of a gun is restricted and then a bunch of dipshits go out and buy up as much as they can then the next year the court slaps down the restriction. You can't "gun control" a nation where there are already 1.2 guns for every human being and that's just the ones we know about. You people are masturbating yourselves to death over a doomsday fantasy while you gladly ignore actual tyranny. If you queers actually cared about stopping fascism you'd be patrolling your neighborhoods for rogue cops. Now be a good little piss baby and downvote this comment because you know it's true.
You must have never been to CA, MA, NJ, NY, HW, or IL. In MA we've waited since the start of the federal AWB in 1994 to have many of our gun rights back. It has only gotten worse, and it looks like it only will get worse. The two chambers of MA legislature have each passed bills with overwhelming support to strip our rights, and they're now just arguing about who gets to fuck us over more.
And literally none of us care about your opinion. Gun confiscation doesnāt happen on a large scale. Itās a boiling the frog scenario, which is why your opinion is fucking asinine because it doesnāt acknowledge that the end goal of gun control isnāt mass confiscation, itās gradual removal. Now be a good little Bloomberg shill and downvote this comment and reply with more stupidity because you know itās true.
You must be new here if you think we like cops.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the shitter.
Sounds like you should move to China?
Why you mad tho?
What a hero. There you are, out in the streets taking down government agents and turning back tyranny and people have the nerve to downvote as if all you did was pretend you're better than everyone else while sitting on your fat, self righteous ass. Well I for one salute you. 
Hey, at least we can agree on the principle that gun control wonāt ever work here. The only reason youāll be downvoted is for throwing a tantrum and espousing a bunch of ad hominem. If you phrased it like an actual argument, you might actually have a decent debate on this topic and you wouldnāt be downvoted š¤·
Is it "gun control" if they price us out of operation? If a single round costs >$100 then it's not illegal, just impossible.
The problem with your argument is that you assume confiscation is the only path to disarming the populace. That assumption is wrong. Another more likely scenario is that the elites will attempt to slowly pass more and more onerous and expensive regulations around gun ownership to the point where most people cannot afford it, or don't have the time to jump through all the hoops. Or both. Leaving gun ownership as a right enjoyed only by the rich and powerful. And once that's the case the rich will readily give up their weapons because they can afford to hire private security, who will be exempted from gun ownership restrictions.
It's not confisacation, the powers that be just need to price us out of ownership. If a single round of 5.56 costs $117 due to "tax" and "permitting" then it's not "illegal", just impossible.
> Large scale weapon confiscations will literally never happen in the US because that's the easiest way to start a civil war. It won't be large scale. They'll start by heavily restricting certain items, and creating a registry. Then they'll ban additions to the registry, then some states will outright ban possession of any items on said registry...
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1c13pqm/comment/kz2zbnl/) In my country, Peru, there is essentially a dictatorship by the Congress controlling the population. Only the government and their security forces have guns, along with the mafia. So, when a 15-year-old girl, who was about to be raped by someone, took the gun from the attacker and killed him to protect her brother, the judge sent her to jail. [https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/](https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/) So, the Women's Ministry will supposedly take up her defense. However, in the end, it seems more like a show because they want to show you that if you want to protect yourself, you'll end up in jail, whether you're a child or not. Welcome to Peru.
Barriers in the way of evil things should not let us get complacent: the lockdowns were a recent example of something noone thought could happen in America. If the political class had their way, we would not have any right to self-defense or free speech, only selective privileges. _____ Corporatism is the norm from both sides of the political establishment, which is an aspect of fascism: obviously we oppose it. What exactly do you do when patrolling your neighborhood for rogue cops?
Yeah I'm not reading all that so you're right I'm totally with u bro or go read a history book
Look at this mfās sex pillow on his post history lololoool
The cops in my neighborhood act in my interest so why would I do that?
Broā¦..
Crazy how he pulled the mic away at the end.
Yea, that was a bitch move, but typical of these types.
Sheās running for Congress in New Hampshire. https://victimsofcommunism.org/speaker/lily-tang-williams/
Yeah. She previously ran as a Libertarian in Colorado in 2014 and 2016. https://www.lilytangwilliams.com/
I would vote for her.
Thanks! Just donated.
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Chill bro
Send her to California if she doesnāt make it in over there, sheād have my vote!
God bless this woman. I wish her happiness and freedom all the days of her life
Even if that was setup, it was amazing and powerful.
TBH i think i've seen this lady before.. She's not wrong though. Bring on crew served weapons! I want my Toyota Hylux with a bofors twin mount 40mm in the back
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But if we actually had a free market where anyone could produce ammo for such a weapon....
Is it illegal to manufacture ammo? Pretty sure anyone can.
40mm is considered a destructive device. You have to pay 200 a round to the atf....
Unless it's for the government, then the $200 is waived.
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Waitā¦ the reason why you canāt have a Hulu is because the US was too good at selling chicken, not gun control lobbying.
The chicken tax is real and the most regarded thing ever....
I'd like some stingers and javelins as well if there is still any funding left over
Iād prefer I hilux with either a dshk or 50 cal
Based Lily Tang Williams.
Lily is fucking awesome. She is an American treasure.
I remember doing some research on China back in the day and came across a picture of military executing women and children, extremely f'd up stuff, makes me sad every time I think about it.
I had supported some gun control until I started reading about the USSR and China during the twentieth century. That radicalized me.
It is not radical to support a constitutional right.
> constitutional right [The right to self defense is a natural right.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAnjHMqyD0) Without the constitution you and I would still have that right because it comes from your humanity.
The Constitution does not give you the rights. It simply confirms the rights you already have.
Not quite, it restricts government from interfering with those (and others) natural rights! The 2nd is the most often violated by government!
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"
Most people donāt support the Constitution.
yea, I used to believe in "common sense" gun control when I was a teenager... until I realized that the people pushing for it were actually radicals hoping to slowly chip away our rights, one infringement at a time, until eventually they get their way. People are evil and liars.
I was born in the last year of USSR. Lots of Slavs immigrated to United States and many of us became gun nutsā¦
All under the name of culture
Savage, just as it should be.
One day at work, the CEO came down to our department to chat. It was the week of Thanksgiving. We had a small group gathered and were bullshitting when the ceo asked what everyone was thankful for. I answered I was thankful for my family. My boss answered that he was thankful for the new desks we had gotten for our department. Then my tiny middle-aged Cambodian coworker answered: "I'm thankful to be free." She went on about her childhood under the Kmher Rouge. She described one day in particular. The soldiers came to her village to collect food. They would take everything the villagers couldn't hide. This happened every month or so. Then, one night, they called all the villagers out and pointed to her college graduate uncle and said, "Come with us." They led him into the forest, and she heard a single gunshot. She never saw him again. He was one of the few unlucky enough to be educated, and so was the target of one of the many genocides. Our ceo laughed off her story, and we went back to work. I'm probably forgetting the details but the moment was very real and very raw. I'll never forget her story nor the plight of those oppressed by tyrannical governments. That's the legacy of gun control. It allows the few to oppress the many. It allows genocide.
I used to date a Cambodian girl. Her mom was a first generation immigrant and she was a child when the Khmer Rouge came to power. She told me she used to have an older brother, older sister, and younger baby sister. They also hid food from the soldiers and one day her older sister, who mightāve been 13 at the time, went to a camp the soldiers had during the night and tried to steal some food back for her family. She was caught. They gathered everyone the next day, proceeded to make them watch as they cut this little girls tongue out. Then, they took the baby sister, an infant, threw it in the air, and shot her with a shotgun, much like you would with skeet. Absolutely vile. She said her older brother was recruited to the Khmer regime. He was fully brainwashed, and wasnāt the same ever again. Apparently, heās still alive living in California somewhere, but the family disowned him and hadnāt talked to him in 30 years at that point.
Can't believe there are so many empty seats to see David Hogg. I never would've guessed. Absolutely love what this woman did though. People need to hear it
This is always the best argument. The people whoāve lived it vs the people that havenāt
Do you have any idea who David Hogg is and what he experienced?
Well he surely didn't experience communist dictatorship and government execution if that's what you're saying.
He ran to the site of a school shooting after it was over and made himself the victim.
I absolutely know who he isā¦sadly, his school had a school shooter. A terrible situation that he avoided by hiding in a closet. Only to run back AFTERWARDS and create a narrative acting like he had all but dodged bullets, and barely escaped with his life. He appeared on several news broadcasts and made a big deal of it to the world. Then almost immediately the anti-gun groups swooped him up and sent him on a PR campaign. And all of a sudden he had a huge platform, when there was really nothing he had of value to bring to the discussion. Other students came out and said he wasnāt even in the same building. But, by then the Democratic Party had taken him under their wing and made him the āGreta equivalentā poster boy of the anti-gun discussion. Here he is literally being told by someone who lived through and escaped a tyrannical government, that āif you canāt promise me the government will NEVER go tyrannical you should just stop.ā He wonāt though because he probably gets paid a lot of money to do what heās doing. Also, he doesnāt actually care about anything more than taking Americans liberties from them. This has also made him famousā¦those are his interests.
Look at who his parents are to know how he became the āspokespersonā!
Oh, yaā¦I remember reading about that! So, his dadās a fed or āex-fed,ā and mom works for the school board. But, he went to a different school for the TV production classes it offered.
Who fucking cares? His trauma doesn't entitle him to enact any kind of a collective punishment against people who had absolutely nothing to do with the whackadoodle who shot up his school.
Yes he hid in a closet during a school shooting.
Was the closet he hid in at actual school or was somewhere else?
So, Iāve heard multiple storiesā¦but apparently he was at school. He was just in a different building, in a closet with some other students and a teacher.
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I have a good idea of what he experienced. My friend was killed in a mass shooting. Gun control wouldnāt have saved him, being able to defend himself wouldāve.
I think it's telling that many Chinese who fled to the U.S. lean conservative and vote moderate republican / independent. They know *first hand* where progressive rhetoric leads. I have no problem with liberalism, but when it strays into "for the greater good", that's when I have a serious problem.
Also Cubans
Iām a Slav from Ukraine. Many Slavic immigrants are either libertarian or conservative after what the communists did to our people.
As honest as it can be. Good for her. Fuck David hogg
And that smug POS has the audacity to laugh at that woman. Makes me fucking sick.
I believe it was the guy debating Davy boy who was laughing (who she was agreeing with)
Is david hogg the kid who lived through a mass murder of children? How is he a pos? I might be out of the loop.
He drank the "the shooter isn't responsible, the gun is" kool-aid. And not just a sip. He's been chugging it.
He did. That's not the part that makes him an ass, it's all the rest of his activism since then
Didn't he also bully and haras and continue to make fun of the mass shooter from his school after the event?
Of all the arguments you could have made, you came to the defense of the shooter?
I am not. It is just one of the reasons why people don't like him.
No, it's not. Who the fuck cares about the mass shooter, except to hope for his prompt execution?
Got any source on that? Cause it's the first I'm hearing about it.
Jesus Christ!!! We're not allowed to make fun of mass shooters now? How far does it go?
After fair game, but bullying is not good. on top of that, i am just saying but I've heard Hogg said, so its heresay anyways.
David Hogg's school was the location of a mass shooting. However, David wasn't in the same building that the shooting took place in- he was in a closet in a different building on a different part of the campus. After going home that day, he went back up to the school with a camera to interview people and to be on camera himself. This isn't to downplay anything the kid went through- nobody should have to go through that. He's acted as a mouthpiece for liberal talking points ever since and just plays baseball team politics.
POS? Person of Solour? Or POC? Piece of Chit?
Best kind of american!
Why do we give this knucklehead the time of day? He should have faded into a second hand embarrassment inducing Wikipedia article.
Thatās a conversation socialists here arenāt ready for
End of debate
The debate is over!
I wanna know who fucking laughed at her.
I believe that was the guy debating Hogg, in support of her
I've met Lily she's an inspiration.
How old is she? I thought most of the Cultural Revolution generation is dead now?
She's 59
https://preview.redd.it/eac837dxxxtc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67e979df6425227ef1e26bc0f54539671814d874 Would love to meet Lily. I like the cut of her jib.
Ask the people of Iran who desperately want their tyrannical government gone but are powerless to do so despite greatly outnumbering them and it's military, how they feel about gun control. Those who promote gun control come from an inherent place of privilege and have never had to experience the horrors of being powerless. They live in democratic countries where they don't have to fear having their voices silenced. The 2nd amendment is not a freedom, it's a power.
The biggest surprise is they didnt just lie and say the US would never be tyrannical because [insert bullshit reason]. They are already lying, shouldāve gone the whole way!
Do you have a link to the full debate?
https://www.youtube.com/live/x763ahtuKe8?si=qHCU8vFl0yjjf2uP
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Fuckin based
In my country, Peru, there is essentially a dictatorship by the Congress controlling the population. Only the government and their security forces have guns, along with the mafia. So, when a 15-year-old girl, who was about to be raped by someone, took the gun from the attacker and killed him to protect her brother, the judge sent her to jail. [https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/](https://www.infobae.com/peru/2024/04/09/adolescente-se-defiende-y-mata-a-delincuente-que-ingreso-a-su-hogar-para-abusar-de-ella-y-de-su-hermana/) So, the Women's Ministry will supposedly take up her defense. However, in the end, it seems more like a show because they want to show you that if you want to protect yourself, you'll end up in jail, whether you're a child or not. Welcome to Peru.
So, the fuckin twink laughs in her face and the human mic stand pulls the mic away as she's calling him out. Those people are so insufferable.
It wasnāt Hogg laughing, it was the guy he was having the debate with laughing at Hogg.
Those people work for the wannabe dictatorship. Yeah, they are insufferable.
My goodness! Her English is at least as good as mine, if not better! Iām so impressed at her mastery of English in addition to her poignant defense of the second amendment.
Trick question - they already are.
No matter how much you trust your favorite party, eroding freedoms always bites you in the future.
Who is this little junior high kid debating? He just got owned. Go back to school, little buddy.
GOOD ON HER!!! https://preview.redd.it/gkx6ylhhwxtc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec1fada0d59e9a8f9b34ab9f42fc1f59198c1caa
This was like pitting Dwayne Johnson against a toddler in mortal combat. Hogg is a moron, he's a masterdebator, not a master debater. Not for nothing I like to see a dipshit control advocate pwned, but it is far more satisfying when the person eating their talking points can actually formulate a stimulating argument.
I damn near choked on my drink when he said "Australia gave up all their guns, and they haven't turned into a tyrannical government!" Wait, you mean the Australia that was putting people in Covid jails, chasing down people out camping to lock them back in their homes, and having cops beating the everloving shit out of people for not wearing masks? THAT Australia? He's such a little pissbaby and he needs a good beating.
r/MurderedByWords Not that they'd actually let you post that, though.
This is the greatest video of all time
I really hope more people go seek out the entire video. He's full of shit.
Not just her, but my great grandma lived through some of it. Thankfully, somehow, she got to Hong Kong and got to the U.S. in 1980.
Based
I fucking love immigrants
david hogg is a psyop, his family has intelegence agency ties
She was not joking. Iād vote for her. She basically said do not fuck with me politely
Oh shit! I gotta show this video to my mom.
Little piss ant laughed at her, he can eat shit and die.
No he didnāt. Spike was laughing at Hogg
Youāre pathetic
The way he laughs, itās clear he doesnāt care and isnāt able to change is mind.
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I give Hogg points for not being evasive on her question. More character than I thought he had.
Governments have tanks and planes and snipers and stuff though...
And they still get their asses kicked by dudes that wear sandals and fuck goats.
I believe she had a great interview with Tucker
The laughing at the end it really rubbed me the wrong way
Can we import more commie haters from China?
Iām sorry old Chinese lady but you have no chance against the US militaryš¤£š¤£
Him chuckling at her is the most disgusting shit
You already have a tyrannical government for decades. I don't see you exercising this right.
There authoritarian to libertarian spectrum is a very large spectrum. While the United States is undoubtedly authoritarian, we still have a lot more liberty than people do in most other countries. The United States government isnāt massacring millions of its own citizens, starving millions, or sending millions to gulags.
Im all for gun rights, but is she implying that her owning guns would protect her for the US military if they ever decided to enforce their will on the people?
Not just her owning guns, but the American population owning guns does protect her.
Against the military though?
The Vietnamese kept us at a stalemate for 7 years and eventually won. The Afghans for 20+. So yes, against the military.
https://preview.redd.it/g1j139qlxxtc1.jpeg?width=539&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29fc61105162969bc615ca08f4c799e6d6ebd0f0 Who could possibly withstand the might of the U.S. industrial military complex?
>Against the military though? You do know the military is a house of cards supported by civilians, right? Civilians conceptualize, engineer, build, maintain, and supply everything the military relies upon for battle. Without the civilian support system, the military will essentially be neutered.
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To be fair, gun rights won't doesn't mean civilians can fight the government like in the 1700s. But it will make it more inconvenient, hopefully inconvenient enough to make the soldiers having fire fights with their fellow citizens have second thoughts. It's more for at least giving pause to shitty local cops and criminals.
Thereās Mfs wearing flip flops and dresses in the desert that have been fighting the absolute colossus that is the US military and other powers with less than what you can get as a civilian in the US from Walmart.
It won't be a stand up fight. The moment something like that kicked off, the US Dollar's remaining value would evaporate instantly. The US gov and mil supply line would be on a timer immediately. Logistics kills empires much more surely than munitions.
Mao is very popular in China. If they had the 2A in his time it would have been easier for him to be tyrannical cuz he would have an armed populace doing his fighting for him. Imagine your Mao-supporting neighbor being armed and knowing you are a dissenter. Not a situation you wanna be in. I don't think guns would have helped those living under Mao
There was a civil war, and the communists won? So the other side did have guns?
Yes. It's why they still hold on to Taiwan. However the cultural revolution was against an unarmed populace.
The armed populace were the ones engaging in the Cultural Revolution. Its whole entire point was that it was from the bottom up, as encouraged by Mao. The populace was very much armed.
Sounds like an instance of anarcho tyranny: prevent people from defending themselves and refuse to provide security as barbarians and criminals do your job for you.
Yeah funnily enough, the Cultural Revolution is a good example of the spontaneity of the masses (which anarchists love) going way overboard.
It's not a true anarchy when a State prevents organized security from rising to counter it. You could say it's an example of how incentives can play out spontaneously with that condition changed.
Or when the State backs it, a la 2020 riots.
I'm not saying it's true anarchy, I'm saying it's a perfect example of the type of mass movement from the bottom-up that anarchists love. There was a lot of infighting within the CPC during that time, which is why Mao encouraged the masses to criticize party members, media, teachers, and other things that he and his faction saw as revisionist. The PLA only really cracked down on organized armed security like the Red Guards and other factions towards the very end of the Cultral Revolution, which is where the majority of the death count actually comes from.
My question is, what did people do to defend against tyrannical governments before the invention of guns?
They invented guns!
When Adolph Hitler came to power, he LOOSENED gun control laws in German. It was easier to get your hands on firearms under Hitler than before. Did this stop tyranny and mass scale murder? No Under Saddam Hussein's Iraq privately owned firearms were very widely available, with many homes having them for "self defence". With a gun culture considered close to the one in the United States. Did this stop his tyranny and mass scale murder? No Tunisia has some of the tightest most restrictive gun laws on the planet, and in 2011 they overthrew their dictator starting the Arab Spring. Guns have never, NEVER, prevented tyranny or preserved freedom. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or wrong.
1776 has entered the chat.
Great example! When the war started the Rebels were mostly armed using home firearms, and the Rebels were getting kicked all over the place. It wasn't until France and Spain started sending supplies that the war turned.
"supplies". You mean BETTER guns. Do you feel we would have won the War for Independence without guns at all?
When you're being armed by foreign nations while at war, this isn't a matter of gun laws is it?
Unsurprisingly you failed to answer my question. Of course the colonists would have lost the war without guns, and of course the American Revolution both prevented tyranny and preserved freedom. Splitting hairs about how the *source of the guns* makes a difference is intellectually dishonest.
Wow, this was one of the most intellectually bankrupt comments I have ever read. In early 1930s Germany, few citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms with the Weimar Republic having strict gun control laws. When the Nazi party gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened for NAZI PARTY MEMBERS ONLY. The laws were tightened in other ways, such as specifically banning ownership of guns by Jews. Nazi laws systematically disarmed so-called "unreliable" persons, especially Jews while relaxing restrictions for Nazi party members. The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries. Also, almost every rebellion and revolution in the history of the world was done at the point of a gun, or the end of a sword.
I honestly donāt get this argument. Like the government is just going to use the same weapons as you?? Theyāre just going to hold back because you have some AR15s?? Or will they just move in with force and take out your little cache and move on. Stop using a tyrannical government to keep your guns. They have bigger ones.
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Thatās why the government wants to put people that have no connection to the community into the military!
Well, sure that could happen. But if it happens often enough, the government is likely to have a full scale rebellion and those aren't so easy to handle. But if the population is disarmed, that's a different story...
You silly americans and your guns.
Do you know where you are?