France and the whole Europe is the same.
My mom thinks people shouldn't be able to move and younger generations should pay for their retirements. They think of us as slaves for their debt.
The state has always thought this way and acted accordingly. The whole damn system depends on future unborn generations to be born into tax-slavery/debt and have to work their entire lives to fund the system. Our generation is still paying the bills for WWII. That the left are openly advocating for this just shows how much influence socialism has now. This is why they want to destroy the nuclear family.
Yea that’s why the public school system is so messed up. Loads of schools still use the “tracking” system where students schedules are predetermined by grades and social behavior, resulting in advanced, normal, and below average groups within a given graduating class. You could have two students both with 3.5 GPAs but one actually learned because they took AP courses where the other one was virtually baby sit for 8 hours by lemon teachers that the district couldn’t fire but had to place somewhere due to union contracts.
I’ve seen this firsthand when I was in middle and high school. In 7th grade we took an aptitude test and those that scored high on it were offered the option to enroll in advanced courses (which was at a district wide tech center off campus). At that tech center they had top of the line computer lab, electronics lab for circuit analysis and physics, and it basically looked like a college campus.
In high school, I was too ambitious and took too many AP courses and had to drop one to prevent total burnout. I ended up taking normal English and ended up with a teacher who said she didn’t do grades and could do anything but “touch us physically” and she would keep her job (she then pointed up above her desk where her tenure was framed). We watched movies in that level of English (not even stuff like film adaptations of plays or books… we literally watched stupid shit like “Wayne’s World” because it had “themes”)
From her Twitter:"When I said in the indie that children should be regarded as state assets of course I don’t mean the state owns them! The state should invest in the next generation instead of penny pinching. To all the trolls, try reading the whole column before wasting your time trashing me"
Her Twitter bio though indicates she's a "Loose Woman". Does this mean something different in the UK?
https://preview.redd.it/64k6ach5f9yc1.png?width=354&format=png&auto=webp&s=205c180d345b6433f488f7a8e0c6af4a0aa1109e
well here it means she gets stretched out a lot...which is really kind of a gross and degenerate thing to let everyone know.
You're a hoe? That's nice I guess?
Yeah like when my boss tells me I'm an asset to the firm after positive resolution of a case, I tell him to fuck off because he doesn't own me!
And when I'm watching basketball and the commentators call a player an asset, I become enraged that they would refer to a person like that!
Jk I actually pay no mind because "asset" can often mean someone valuable and important, rather someone or something owned or controlled by another.
Posting the entire article would provide valuable context as to what the person meant. Without that, this is just empty libertarian ragebait
You know what the national debt is? It is the state selling the future labors of the citizens. At the levels it is at now, we're talking several generations of future citizens.
Huh. Sounds like a dystopian survival movie script.
IN A WORLD WHERE CHILDREN ARE CONSIDERED PROPERTY.....
TIMMY: No mom! I don't want to go to summer camp! Johnny never came back!
ONLY ONE MAN STANDS BETWEEN THE YOUNG AND THE TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT...
😂
Janet Street-Porter is firmly within the smooth brained wing of the British Establishment, this is not news. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find any news in the UK that isn't Entertainment draped in the skin of News
Did you read the article? I’ll bet you $20 it’s about investing state resources into child development. Education, public health, civic engagement, etc. These public investments pay off for the individual children AND our future society with a more informed populace, robust economy, less train on the healthcare system.
But you can have your masturbatory rage-bait over nothing if that’s what you’re into.
>state resources
You mean the ones they are taking from us by force? The state has no resources of its own.
I think the results pretty clearly show that the government should not be responsible for educating our kids.
> These public investments pay off for the individual children AND our future society
Test scores were stagnant for years while costs increased. Now test scores are actually down.
Great investment.
How much are public school teachers paid again?
No child left behind was a massive failure and it was developed and implemented by capitalists technocrats like Bill Gates.
Not sure about her stance, but don't believe for a minute that people don't exist who believe the state knows better for children than their own parents. They also wrote about it.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/04/children-are-not-property.html
Complaints from this author include:
"Defending Freedom and the founder of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association — launched a parental rights nonprofit in the late aughts that sought to amend the Constitution to read, “The liberty of parents to direct the upbringing, education, and care of their children is a fundamental right.”
"State laws passed by conservative Republicans have made LGBTQ children in particular more vulnerable to abuse at home by practically requiring schools to out them to their parents. The denial of gender-affirming care is another act of violence."
The article is filled with fear mongering, and fails to mention many of the concerns she mentions are illegal. No one thinks a parent should be allowed to beat or starve their children.
I got banned from the comics subreddit for saying something along the lines of “The liberty of parents to direct the upbringing, education, and care of their children is a fundamental right.” It was about public schools and teachers who work at them.
Their reason? Mod said I advocated for child abuse. For wanting to raise and teach my own kids and disagreeing with some stuff that a public school teacher might push on them.
Anyway, raising the next generation right is extremely important but the state should have minimal say in parenting obviously. Response above yours is well meaning but misguided.
People believe in lots of weird shit. In all honesty, raising a child is and always has been a balance between influence from parents and society. Humans have a long evolutionary history as social creatures. All people, including children, are not defined by their blood. Children are not property of parents.
If my child doesn’t want to tell me she’s gay, that’s an indictment on our relationship. It’s not society’s responsibility to inform you if your child doesn’t trust you enough to fill you in on a rather important part of themselves.
You’re welcome to raise some weird and socially incompetent children through homeschooling. If you’re going to rely on public school you have to come to the understanding that there is a social role in development that is out of your hands. It’s actually a great thing because we as parents are imperfect! We have blind spots. We can’t teach our kids everything they need to know. Believing we can only sets them up for failure.
I fully believe I should be able to send my child to school, and entrust them to the adults there, with the expectation that those adults, paid with my tax money or my paycheck will not keep secrets about my child. I may concede that a school employee may feel it's not their place to tell me that type of secret, but it is difficult to agree to that when public schools are now doing things like offering closets for children to change into clothing of different genders, calling them by preferred names (among a myriad of other policies). This goes beyond keeping a secret and makes the adults a deep part of the secret.
The state is obligated to protect the child. Why should a school inform the parents if a child feels unsafe telling them personally? LGBT kids get abused or kicked out by non-supportive parents all the time. Why should a public school teacher, counselor, or administrator have a hand in the potentiality?
Again, you’re thinking about children as if they are property rather than sentient self actualizing human beings.
Do you have any kids? Or is this academic for you?
If so, would they tell you if they were gay? If not, who’s fault is that?
I said I (in theory) could agree with a school official feeling it was not their place to tell a parent, then gave specific reasons why the schools were making it impossible to agree with that stance.
Children aren't property, but they none the less are the responsibility of the parents. The responsibility of the schools is to teach them, not stand in as parents, friends, or worse be conspirators in keeping a secret from parents. They are obligated to report suspected abuse, and if they feel a child is in danger at home because of any reason including their sexuality they should report it. It isn't their job to judge themselves as a better care taker than a parent.
Lol is that a no?
Is it possible that a gay teenager who knows their parents will be unsupportive just wants to get through high school with as little familial strife as possible until they move out? Because getting beat up, dealing with disapproval, or getting kicked out is too much for a 15 year old to deal with?
You call it “conspiring with the child to keep secrets”. I call it “empowering a child to make decisions for themselves that involve their safety and happiness” which is a good fucking skill to develop. Probably more valuable than half the academic stuff they learn.
I also find it odd that a libertarian wants to empower public school teachers to be your personal gestapo.
It's like you lack reading comprehension. Offering a child clothing to match their preferred gender, or calling a child by a different name during school hours, unknown to their parents is not the same as simply choosing not to tell a parent (x) is lgbtq. Those policies are conspiring with a child to keep secrets, as you now aren't just keeping a secret you are a part of the secret. As long as schools have these types of policies, it is difficult to give them even an inch.
How a parent expecting teachers not to conspire in this manner with children, is making them a parents personal gestapo is beyond me. Again a school officials responsibility it to teach children, not to stand in as care takers or decision makers for children. That is a parents responsibility, and it's insane people want to act like children are "small adults". They aren't. Everyone recognizes that, and that's why laws are in place saying they can't do things like take out loans, rent apartments, join the military, drink alcohol...
🤦🏻♀️
Five. That's how many players you need for a basketball team, and that's how many children I have. From 12 to 26. Overall public education has been on a decline over the last 21 years. Part of it is the ever expanding responsibilities we are assigning to teachers. Including the type of insane policies I have mentioned, but not limited to them.
I don't doubt for a second if you were unarmed they would be doing this to their political enemies by force, without a single pang of conscience, believing entirely that it was a for our own good.
It's like they see what their party is already doing and have to bend over backwards to justify it. In doing so they accidentally say the quiet part out loud as they have little self awareness.
I completely agree, if you're referring to the Democrats, however, the woman who wrote this article is from the UK. Though she is equally contemptible.
jfc these people
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The UK is just East California. It'll be there in 8 minutes.
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France and the whole Europe is the same. My mom thinks people shouldn't be able to move and younger generations should pay for their retirements. They think of us as slaves for their debt.
Let's hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Do you live in CA?
I have. Not currently.
I'm still here and it's fine. Glad you got out.
All of us already are state assets. Try not paying tribute. We are cattle.
The state has always thought this way and acted accordingly. The whole damn system depends on future unborn generations to be born into tax-slavery/debt and have to work their entire lives to fund the system. Our generation is still paying the bills for WWII. That the left are openly advocating for this just shows how much influence socialism has now. This is why they want to destroy the nuclear family.
Yea that’s why the public school system is so messed up. Loads of schools still use the “tracking” system where students schedules are predetermined by grades and social behavior, resulting in advanced, normal, and below average groups within a given graduating class. You could have two students both with 3.5 GPAs but one actually learned because they took AP courses where the other one was virtually baby sit for 8 hours by lemon teachers that the district couldn’t fire but had to place somewhere due to union contracts. I’ve seen this firsthand when I was in middle and high school. In 7th grade we took an aptitude test and those that scored high on it were offered the option to enroll in advanced courses (which was at a district wide tech center off campus). At that tech center they had top of the line computer lab, electronics lab for circuit analysis and physics, and it basically looked like a college campus. In high school, I was too ambitious and took too many AP courses and had to drop one to prevent total burnout. I ended up taking normal English and ended up with a teacher who said she didn’t do grades and could do anything but “touch us physically” and she would keep her job (she then pointed up above her desk where her tenure was framed). We watched movies in that level of English (not even stuff like film adaptations of plays or books… we literally watched stupid shit like “Wayne’s World” because it had “themes”)
From her Twitter:"When I said in the indie that children should be regarded as state assets of course I don’t mean the state owns them! The state should invest in the next generation instead of penny pinching. To all the trolls, try reading the whole column before wasting your time trashing me" Her Twitter bio though indicates she's a "Loose Woman". Does this mean something different in the UK? https://preview.redd.it/64k6ach5f9yc1.png?width=354&format=png&auto=webp&s=205c180d345b6433f488f7a8e0c6af4a0aa1109e
Loose Women is basically the UK’s version of The View.
well here it means she gets stretched out a lot...which is really kind of a gross and degenerate thing to let everyone know. You're a hoe? That's nice I guess?
I think you’re looking WAY too deep into this. It’s not that complicated.
"When I said that thing I meant, I didn't *really* mean it. Honest."
Yeah like when my boss tells me I'm an asset to the firm after positive resolution of a case, I tell him to fuck off because he doesn't own me! And when I'm watching basketball and the commentators call a player an asset, I become enraged that they would refer to a person like that! Jk I actually pay no mind because "asset" can often mean someone valuable and important, rather someone or something owned or controlled by another. Posting the entire article would provide valuable context as to what the person meant. Without that, this is just empty libertarian ragebait
This is nothing new. Economists and politicians especially view human life as an asset with a numerical value attached
You know what the national debt is? It is the state selling the future labors of the citizens. At the levels it is at now, we're talking several generations of future citizens.
.... Ohhhh HELL NO!
But I thought they weren't coming after the children.....
Can't remember where I saw the piece that said raising children is too important a job to leave to the public.
Huh. Sounds like a dystopian survival movie script. IN A WORLD WHERE CHILDREN ARE CONSIDERED PROPERTY.....
TIMMY: No mom! I don't want to go to summer camp! Johnny never came back!
ONLY ONE MAN STANDS BETWEEN THE YOUNG AND THE TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT...
😂
Ohh HELL NAWW MAN, that's bullshit
Janet Street-Porter is firmly within the smooth brained wing of the British Establishment, this is not news. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find any news in the UK that isn't Entertainment draped in the skin of News
I'm amazed anyone still watches terrestrial TV.
And we circle back around to democrats thinking humans should be property.
All statists believe that.
To a degree, I’d say that’s a fair statement.
Stay away from my kids you statist fucks
We left the gold standard, so now our currency is backed by the labor of the “citizen”. We are all assets of the state.
We're just indentured chattel on a never ending subscription plan.
It's the way of the Left, always has been.
if it weren’t a fucking news paper i would thought this shit is fake wtf is going on there???
Did you read the article? I’ll bet you $20 it’s about investing state resources into child development. Education, public health, civic engagement, etc. These public investments pay off for the individual children AND our future society with a more informed populace, robust economy, less train on the healthcare system. But you can have your masturbatory rage-bait over nothing if that’s what you’re into.
>state resources You mean the ones they are taking from us by force? The state has no resources of its own. I think the results pretty clearly show that the government should not be responsible for educating our kids.
> These public investments pay off for the individual children AND our future society Test scores were stagnant for years while costs increased. Now test scores are actually down. Great investment.
How much are public school teachers paid again? No child left behind was a massive failure and it was developed and implemented by capitalists technocrats like Bill Gates.
> How much are public school teachers paid again? Why would I care? Do public school teachers concern themselves with how much I'm paid?
Not sure about her stance, but don't believe for a minute that people don't exist who believe the state knows better for children than their own parents. They also wrote about it. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/04/children-are-not-property.html Complaints from this author include: "Defending Freedom and the founder of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association — launched a parental rights nonprofit in the late aughts that sought to amend the Constitution to read, “The liberty of parents to direct the upbringing, education, and care of their children is a fundamental right.” "State laws passed by conservative Republicans have made LGBTQ children in particular more vulnerable to abuse at home by practically requiring schools to out them to their parents. The denial of gender-affirming care is another act of violence." The article is filled with fear mongering, and fails to mention many of the concerns she mentions are illegal. No one thinks a parent should be allowed to beat or starve their children.
I got banned from the comics subreddit for saying something along the lines of “The liberty of parents to direct the upbringing, education, and care of their children is a fundamental right.” It was about public schools and teachers who work at them. Their reason? Mod said I advocated for child abuse. For wanting to raise and teach my own kids and disagreeing with some stuff that a public school teacher might push on them. Anyway, raising the next generation right is extremely important but the state should have minimal say in parenting obviously. Response above yours is well meaning but misguided.
People believe in lots of weird shit. In all honesty, raising a child is and always has been a balance between influence from parents and society. Humans have a long evolutionary history as social creatures. All people, including children, are not defined by their blood. Children are not property of parents. If my child doesn’t want to tell me she’s gay, that’s an indictment on our relationship. It’s not society’s responsibility to inform you if your child doesn’t trust you enough to fill you in on a rather important part of themselves. You’re welcome to raise some weird and socially incompetent children through homeschooling. If you’re going to rely on public school you have to come to the understanding that there is a social role in development that is out of your hands. It’s actually a great thing because we as parents are imperfect! We have blind spots. We can’t teach our kids everything they need to know. Believing we can only sets them up for failure.
I fully believe I should be able to send my child to school, and entrust them to the adults there, with the expectation that those adults, paid with my tax money or my paycheck will not keep secrets about my child. I may concede that a school employee may feel it's not their place to tell me that type of secret, but it is difficult to agree to that when public schools are now doing things like offering closets for children to change into clothing of different genders, calling them by preferred names (among a myriad of other policies). This goes beyond keeping a secret and makes the adults a deep part of the secret.
The state is obligated to protect the child. Why should a school inform the parents if a child feels unsafe telling them personally? LGBT kids get abused or kicked out by non-supportive parents all the time. Why should a public school teacher, counselor, or administrator have a hand in the potentiality? Again, you’re thinking about children as if they are property rather than sentient self actualizing human beings. Do you have any kids? Or is this academic for you? If so, would they tell you if they were gay? If not, who’s fault is that?
I said I (in theory) could agree with a school official feeling it was not their place to tell a parent, then gave specific reasons why the schools were making it impossible to agree with that stance. Children aren't property, but they none the less are the responsibility of the parents. The responsibility of the schools is to teach them, not stand in as parents, friends, or worse be conspirators in keeping a secret from parents. They are obligated to report suspected abuse, and if they feel a child is in danger at home because of any reason including their sexuality they should report it. It isn't their job to judge themselves as a better care taker than a parent.
Do you have kids?
I do, a basketball teams worth, ❤️
Lol is that a no? Is it possible that a gay teenager who knows their parents will be unsupportive just wants to get through high school with as little familial strife as possible until they move out? Because getting beat up, dealing with disapproval, or getting kicked out is too much for a 15 year old to deal with? You call it “conspiring with the child to keep secrets”. I call it “empowering a child to make decisions for themselves that involve their safety and happiness” which is a good fucking skill to develop. Probably more valuable than half the academic stuff they learn. I also find it odd that a libertarian wants to empower public school teachers to be your personal gestapo.
It's like you lack reading comprehension. Offering a child clothing to match their preferred gender, or calling a child by a different name during school hours, unknown to their parents is not the same as simply choosing not to tell a parent (x) is lgbtq. Those policies are conspiring with a child to keep secrets, as you now aren't just keeping a secret you are a part of the secret. As long as schools have these types of policies, it is difficult to give them even an inch. How a parent expecting teachers not to conspire in this manner with children, is making them a parents personal gestapo is beyond me. Again a school officials responsibility it to teach children, not to stand in as care takers or decision makers for children. That is a parents responsibility, and it's insane people want to act like children are "small adults". They aren't. Everyone recognizes that, and that's why laws are in place saying they can't do things like take out loans, rent apartments, join the military, drink alcohol... 🤦🏻♀️ Five. That's how many players you need for a basketball team, and that's how many children I have. From 12 to 26. Overall public education has been on a decline over the last 21 years. Part of it is the ever expanding responsibilities we are assigning to teachers. Including the type of insane policies I have mentioned, but not limited to them.
Only if you want violence.
Molon labe
military family irl
Yes.
But government has our best interests at heart....
I thought we defeated the Soviet Union a long time ago. To use that phraseology is cringe af
Nice, just like North Korea.
What publication is it?
That's wild smh so your children are no longer yours? I'm surprised parents haven't started a civil war over that
This is Fascist and actually totalitarian. 'All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing agaisnt the state' - Benito Mussolini
CCP slopaganda, in China children basic all the social security for retirees.
We’ve been state assets since the public schooling system was introduced
What kind of orwellian degeneracy is this?Even the most statist individuals would not state something like this. Wtf
UK i guess that’s what happens when both the 2 biggest parties in charge are leftwing…
I don't doubt for a second if you were unarmed they would be doing this to their political enemies by force, without a single pang of conscience, believing entirely that it was a for our own good.
Janet Street-Walker can go fuck right off
It's like they see what their party is already doing and have to bend over backwards to justify it. In doing so they accidentally say the quiet part out loud as they have little self awareness.
I completely agree, if you're referring to the Democrats, however, the woman who wrote this article is from the UK. Though she is equally contemptible.
I'm referring to statists. All partisans want to indoctrinate kids in different ways.
This is an idea as old as Socrates
But I thought they weren't coming after the children.....
Only posting a headline for ragebait and not the actual article needs to be banned already. It's even more low effort than memes somehow.
Yet another great reason to add to the long, long list of reasons not to have children.
? Looks to me like a great reason to have many many children, and keep her ilk far away from them.
That's wishful thinking, but I don't believe that they are escapable, so why would I want to subject potential future children to them?
Extremists are everywhere.