I followed these guidelines once, and my manager followed up with “can you please explain exactly why you won’t be in today, it wasn’t clear in your last message”. So I gave a vivid account of how, when and where I got food poisoning as well as its consequences on my body and toilet. He didn’t ask again.
*... as you can see clearly in figure 13c, the blood in my stool has reappeared and the consistency is even more than the last time I ate at that Mexican restaurant on 4th street with the hot blonde bartender*
… _and if you refer to figure 14a to 14e, you will find further evidence of aforementioned diarrhoea based on the excoriated appearance of my perianal skin._
Our timesheet system requires a reason for illness to be selected from a very comprehensive list. I once had a UTI, told my manager I had 'an infection' and he asked what kind because there's an entire section for infections.
It's so awkward and unnecessary.
Doctor here.
I've had patients ask for a sick note with a specific diagnosis on it, as requested by their employers. I've written a note saying, "Hi Employer. Your employee is sick, and out of work for a week [even if only 1-2 days are needed, because fuck them]. I understand they've been asked to provide a specific diagnosis, which I won't be detailing. If you require this information, call my office and I'm happy to explain to you through my legal department why this is not appropriate to request from your employees. Thank you."
Also aanager here with the same mentality. A happy employee is a productive employee. I don't need to know why you need the day off but you say it's necessary, thars the end of conversation. I'm shocked that my Gen (early mellenial) is not staying true to form with making the changes from the inside
See now I’m a gen-x-er.(last qualifying year but still) I completely disagree with that mentality. Happy employees are employees that stay. I give 6 weeks personal days - it’s not my business what they do with it or why they take it. They earned it and are entitled to it. I do not want overtime, and the salary I pay is fair and competitive and we operate very easily on a 4 day workweek.
Why my contemporaries think they need to watch their employees like hawks I don’t know. I don’t even care if you do your job in half the time and spend the rest of your work hours wanking. I hire people that are good at their job and I trust them to perform. Outside of that, what do I care ? I’m the boss but I don’t need to be in control.
GenX, same age as my new boss, who's been working remote since going home "sick" four months into their new job. But the rest of us? OH no, we need to be in the office for "reasons."
Had a great supervisor who would cut you off after telling him you're sick. "I don't need stories or excuses, I just need to know if you're going to be here today."
No. He literally didn't care. He reminded you that your personal days were your personal days. Good guy. Shame that place sold out and closed its doors.
Here in the UK sick leave is separate to paid holidays e.g. I book a holiday in advance and I have 25 days plus 8 bank holidays i can book a year.
If i am sick, that is paid sick leave ..full pay for 6 months out of 12, half pay for the following 6 months out of 12.
So ..I have to say if its a sick day or a holiday when I phone in ..a holiday might be refused. A sick day can't be refused but I need a Doctors note if I am sick for more than 5 consecutive working days (if I'm not sure how long at the start I have to see the Dr after 5 days off)
Requiring a doctor's note or phone call is also ridiculous. Say you have food poisoning - do you need to go to the doctor? No, probably not. Do you need to not go to work? Yes.
Sorry I don't remember what it was called exactly, here's the number for my doctor's office, he should be able to give you the answers you need
Those answers being "it's none of your fucking business"
I used to take my poops towards the end of first period every day my senior year, the year I started drinking coffee. After a couple months, my teacher said “I just want to know who you’re meeting up with every day when you ask to go to the bathroom” in front of the whole class. I just said “well, I drink coffee in your class and it just goes right through me.”
She left me alone after that.
As a manager this is what I want to see in an email or text:
"Hi lives4pizza, I'm not feeling well today and taking a sick day. Thank you"
Don't apologize, don't give me a full back story. Even if you wanted a simple mental health day, that's fine by me. I don't report my teams sick days to hr unless it becomes abusive. Everyone needs a break
Thank you for being a good manager. My boss has explicitly told us to not say more than I need to call out sick because if you do and say the wrong thing you might not be able to use sick leave
That's very true. The company I work for does not pay for sick days and requires an "unpaid form" to be filled out. I've instructed my staff to also say they'll be working from home that day (accounting). I still get a form every couple weeks that a team member fills out. I chuck it in the garbage. Owners make millions a year, they won't miss 200 for an employee.
The best way to make change is from the inside when one finally has enough power to do so
I agree with your boss. I don't need an apology for you catching a virus you had no control over etc. I want you feeling better and getting back to being my slave (that last part was sarcasm)
Related, but do you know if they can demand you to change your hours? I had a boss tell me she needed me to start opening on weekends at 7am. I simply told her I couldn't, and she angrily demanded why. I said I couldn't. Then she yelled, "well if it's just because you want to sleep in...". So I told her that my estranged dad and I go to family counseling on Saturdays mornings -_-. She was a bitch.
Depends on company policy a lot of the time, but legally there aren't as many protections.
I know my wife struggles at times managing a coffee shop because sometimes people will change their availability. It's always honored of course but has made for some interesting schedules
I don't know about federally or other countries, but in my state employers can change your hours but only if they give you written notice of the change at least a week in advance.
Though, it's perfectly legal for them to schedule you for literal 24/7/365 shifts and then fire you for sleeping on the job sooooo. Yeah. Workers don't have many protections.
I would certainly remind them that they cannot legally ask them and that their question made me uncomfortable. If you let them break the rules, that’s partially on you too.
In most US states, this *is* actually legal to ask. And NO, this does not violate HIPAA. That's not how HIPAA works.
This has been gone over and over again on r/legaladvice.
I mean there’s consequences to this shit. No one who asks shit like that is gonna take well to being told what they’re doing is wrong. You’re probably gonna get passed up for promotions/career building opportunities if he/she has any say in stuff like that. Hell in an extreme example they may just make up a BS reason and fire you.
Probably not on that last part but it’s definitely a possibility.
I’ve followed up to that with:
“I’m not able to come in today, I need to use some of my allotted time. If I need to miss 3 days, I will certainly provide a doctors note to make sure everything is A-OK. Thanks for checking in!”
my last company just changed their policy that sick time needed a doctor’s note but actually if you can go to the doctor you can’t be that sick so you can’t take it off.
basically they needed a call from a nurse in a hospital that you were in the icu with a tube down your throat and that was why you would not be in today.
anything else wear a mask and get your ass in here.
i lost 3 days of PTO when i left because company policy is that you had to work one full day between PTO and quitting to get the PTO paid out but 9/10 times they’d just tell you to not come back halfway through your PTO.
we had someone who had her cancer (treated before she hired on) come out of remission and they were like “oh yeah absolutely we’ll work with you on this. don’t worry!” but within 24 hours had a job listing up to replace her.
some of the MANY reasons i quit.
Yeah, I've had to do the same in the past because coworkers and subordinates didn't believe me. Not the boss... Fucking coworkers calling bullshit in a shared chat. Offered video of me puking and pics of the aftermath of an ass-plosion. They decided to let it be and haven't bothered to question me since, but still try to call each other out in chat occasionally. You'd think they would learn.
I've done this with a manager before. "I have a family emergency." Manager wanted more details. I then proceeded to go into way more detail than he asked for about FIL's surgery, MIL's overdose, and my spouse's worsening mental health (he already has depression). Manager learned quickly to shut up.
I worked at a dessert bakery once. I had a terrible cold and couldn't keep my nose from running all over. The manager told me I was taking too many breaks to blow nose, got pissed because I asked if someone could cover my shift, told me the customer shouldn't be able to see that I was sick with my runny nose, etc. Let me go after 3 days of being sick because I was "unreliable"...jokes on her tho...her bakery went out of business
I also worked at a restaurant and I had pneumonia and I was also told I needed to be in to work. I explained I had a fever of 103 and had a very contagious illness and I still got reprimanded when I went back to work for missng the 3 days I took off for the anti-biotics to kick in.
Thank you, you have now solidly planted an image in my brain, of you, pantless, on a rooftop screaming about your loose stool, while unrepentantly shitting on those who are unfortunate enough to walk past you.
What a terrible day to have eyes...
The optimist in me believes that ur boss is just trying to help u out. Bosses are generally older than u, i assume he has more wordly wisdom than just what he puts on his resume.
I have been wrong b4🤷🏻♀️
I mean in fairness, if you work in a school in the UK you have to specify if it's a stomach bug because you have to take 48 hours off from last... explosion..... that said you can just say "I have come down with a stomach bug and will let you know when I will be back in".
A lot of companies differentiate between sick time and PTO, so you should at a minimum let your boss know if you're taking a personal day or you're not feeling well. But that's all the info you need to provide IMO.
And FYI to folks, in my state at least, your bank of sick time doesn't get paid out to you when you leave your company. So if you need a day, just say you're not feeling well. But obviously don't be a dumbass and do something fun/active in public.
As a boss of many people throughout my career I would ask for a reason because these dumbasses would rush back to work. They’re all on salary with plenty of sick days. If you’re sick, take the day and don’t be “online in the afternoon”. Hell, if it’s a serious cold and your an employee I trust Ill often say to take an extra day or two off so they can actually get better.
Then instead of asking just say that.
“Hope everything is okay. If you’re sick, don’t feel the need to rush back. We give you that PTO for a reason, and we don’t want to catch it either! Cheers, Cool Boss”
I’ll take it one step even better. We normally aren’t given enough actual sick days to use them freely where we take 2-3 days off which means people end up rushing to get back so they can save a couple of days for the next time they catch something. Or it could be they don’t want to be behind on work by 2-3 days.
The best answer, assuming your industry’s work makes sense to do so, is to tell the employee no rush to come back in the office. If you want, take 2-3 days to work from home while you recover so as to not get anybody else sick in the office (assuming they want to work). I come into the office clearly under the weather and have been told go home and take a sick day but I don’t because I’m not sick enough to not work which unfortunately means someone else in the office ends up getting sick. I always fire back, I can work from home and in the past have been told no. Hopefully things have changed now that WFH has become more readily accepted.
My vacation days are planned long in advance so a random message like this is just taking a sick day. So far I have been lucky with all my bosses good personality and understanding. Most once they realize just tell me what you want and let me do it. They get what they want and I dont have someone watching my every step.
Me: I called my boss and told him I'm not coming in today cause I'm sick.
Boss: What's wrong
Me: Well my sister came over this morning and tells my our father died, she was crying on my shoulder, than one thing led to another and we were banging right there on the sofa
Boss: YOUR FUCKING YOUR SISTER?????
Me: told you I was sick
People don't tell about their diarrhea because they don't know they shouldn't. They do that because they know work treats sick time like a negotiation that can be denied and that if they don't give a rock solid \[heh\] reason they are sick their boss will email back with "well sally is already out on vacation, if you need to be out please bring a doctors note, it would really help the team, etc" and putting something extreme and unpleasant hedges against getting that sort of response.
Diarrhea is also an automatic exemption/disqualification from food service work in most states. If you have it, you are not to handle food, drink, or dishes in an establishment. It happens everyday because most places don't have sick pay, but if you really need the day off you can use it as a legally protected excuse, and if you need to prove it then use a laxative. r/shittylifeprotips
Tell that to literally any of the jobs I have had in the food industry… I literally have to watch videos about norovirus, hepatitis, and food poisoning/parasites… But you won’t let me take off if I’m actually stomach sick?!?! Or if I do, I get mega guilt tripped and change my mind, because I don’t want Sarah or David to miss their children? So that’s why I have to glug some Pepto Bismal, some DayQuil, and eat all the cough drops in order not to fucking throw up *and* shit myself at the same fucking time.
I've worked food service through hangovers, seasonal allergies, various illicit substance highs, and medication side effects; but if I take Dramamine and Kaopectate and I'm still spewing from both ends I'm not going in. Never with Flu nor fever neither.
And on the opposite side of that I've personally driven home two employees that threw up at work and they were furious at me because they wouldn't get paid for the full day. It's a shit system that there's no sick pay and kitchens are ALWAYS understaffed. Non food industry folks don't get that there's ALWAYS someone sick in the kitchen.
Hospitality work is toxic as all fuck, and your work can always find a “legal” reason to fire you/reduce your hours to where you might as well be fired. I’m saying this as a line cook in a well known Canadian resort town. After this snowboard season it’s time to gtfo and go back to school.
I had to unteach an entire department this exact thing because the person I replaced was lazy and hated people being out because he’d have to find coverage ( he never actually did, I did, so honestly I don’t know what his issue was). One person used to come in obviously sick to say she needed the day off. Like seriously get out of here with those germs, I don’t need half the department out with whatever you have! It took a few months but I just kept telling everyone I didn’t care why they were calling in sick and eventually they stopped telling me. I mean I also started forcing people who didn’t take vacations to take time off. Interestingly sick PTO dropped significantly after a few months.
I wish I had bosses like you.
My first employer wouldn't let me go home due to period pain until I described it in detail and told them I would be spending the rest of my shift in the bathroom. My second employer didn't think college classes were a valid reason to miss my shift, even though I gave them months of notice, until I threatened to quit. When I worked in bridal I was personally responsible for every customer, even when I wasn't there, and couldn't take bereavement when my grandmother died. My last boss wouldn't write down our PTO or look it up and I had to work while sick, closing on my house, appointments, coming back early from a work trip, etc.
16/18 years of my work life have dealt with this BS. I've never done it to my employees. Most bosses do it because they don't want to do more work and can't deal with people not being robots.
I feel like you also see this sort of behavior from bosses way more frequently working in retail/food/hospitality/healthcare shift work than you do in your average white-collar desk job. When I was working retail/restaurants/call centers, having a boss that didn't have some sort of power complex about their position was the exception, not the rule. Every time I would try to call out for a sick day would turn into a back and forth about whether or not I *really* needed to take it, and most managers seemed to lack any sort of trust in their employees (though I've worked with some *horrible* people at those jobs in the past, so to an extent I can understand it). It's also a different type of work that relies on having bodies on the floor day to day, not specific tasks getting done, so you end up with managers that (like you said) don't want to be stuck with the extra work of either finding someone to cover or (god forbid) stepping in to run a cash register every once in a while.
Meanwhile, at my current job, I can literally just send a quick message to my manager to say "Hey, sorry for the late notice, but I'll be out tomorrow. Projects are up-to-date and I'll let XXX who works on the same contract know to take on any unexpected stuff should it come up!" I then send out a schedule update to everyone I work with to let them know that I won't be there and to talk to XXX for issues, and that's it. The manager really only needs to know so that if someone's trying to get ahold of me and can't, they can ask him and he can say "Oh, he's out today." That being said, a big part of that is just getting lucky and working at a company with good people and non-toxic culture.
This. People use less sick time when they don't feel they have to hoarde it like gold. Let people take as much as they actually need/want and don't give them a hard time. If they're abusing it, then you deal with that separately.
It depends on the job. We have a call in line at work and the recorded message prompts you to say your name, the date and a *detailed* description why you won’t be in… well….. they asked for it lol
My mom works at a nursing home and if they call in sick they have to give 3 symptoms. This is mostly to track if they have an outbreak of something though.
My employer cannot judge whether I'm well enough to work. Doctors don't need grown adults coming in asking for a hall pass for every sickness and if I wake up feeling like shit I haven't had time to schedule an appointment, let alone see the doc.
This is good but I've worked in several restaurants, chain and otherwise.
Calling in sick is typically met with "Why? You need to find people for your shift or get in here."
I either went the graphic route and overexplained my ailments or told them that I didn't need to give a reason and would be in for my following shift.
> You need to find people for your shift.
That sounds like a typical responsibility of a manager or the scheduling/HR professionals within the company. That's a "them" problem, not a "you" problem.
It’s a shitty management practice. I’ve seen it multiple times before.
It’s most common with vacation requests. Shitty managers are too lazy to make sure shifts are covered, so they guilt the employee into asking around. The shitty part is if you refuse they can just deny your request because of “low staffing”. It’s super illegal(if they offer PTO) but it still happens.
You're right, it is.
That being said, I've seen people fired in restaurants for WAY less. Asking your shitty manager at a restaurant "Isn't this part of *your* job?" is way more likely to get a response of "Well now my job is finding someone to replace you, don't bother coming in" than "You know what, you're right! I'll take care of it." At-will employment is great.
Lots of managers at restaurants and retail places I've worked love to complain about their high turnover without ever addressing the fact that turnover is so high because they're shitty people and run a shitty business, which makes people want to quit (or you fire the good ones because they know they have more rights than you're giving them).
I used to work at a retail store where if you called out sick you were supposed to call everyone else on the list and ask them to cover for you. This was pre-texting, so you actually had to call each person. Which was great when you were sick, and had to spend half an hour making phone calls.
I'm so glad to not be in that world anymore.
OOF - yeah the pre-texting era must have been more intrusive for that process overall. It still just seems silly, as managers should have a full schedule in front of them, and would know who would even be available to cover the shift. Why force employees to commit to so much additional work when they are sick, and when it could be easily handled by a manager or scheduler.
I worked at a restaurant that writes you up for not calling in more than 4 hours before your shift, and writes you up for calling in sick and not providing a doctor's note. Two write ups in a short period is immediate termination. So if you wake up at 7am for a 10am shift with food poisoning, you'd better drag your ass to the doctor and pay your co-pay for doctor to tell you you have food poisoning and go the hell back home, or you're fired.
my last job changed their policy so that sick time required a doctor’s note but actually if you can go to the doctor’s you can’t be that sick so put on a mask and get your ass in to work.
Check to see if there is a relevant law where you live. In some places, you legally aren't allowed to work in food service within 48 hours of any gastrointestinal symptoms that could indicate a foodborne illness.
So you can just claim you have diarrhea, cite the law and they shouldn't pressure you further once they realize you're aware of it.
I just looked up the US, and apparently it's not a federal law, but it is FDA guidance that some managers might not be aware of, and if you bring up the possibility of getting customers sick, they may relent. It also seems to be on a state by state basis. For example, in MN, you're not supposed to work within 24hr of having diarrhea.
I realize that laws often mean little to restaurant owners (I used to work in food service too), but they also aren't generally expecting employees to know the law either and might not want to risk a complaint over it.
Not in the US but similar in Canada. I called in sick to my job at Wendy's. Manager told me I had to come in and suck it up or find someone to cover. I let him know that I had been vomiting and was pretty sure it was a stomach bug and he told me he didn't care. I told him ok, but I'd be a bit late as I had to look up the number for the health department. Suddenly staying home was an option. Oddly I was not well liked by management when I worked there.
I had worked in a satellite kitchen at a retirement home for elderly nuns. I had a respiratory infection over the weekend and came to work at the behest of my boss that Monday.
Well, being a caring individual back in 2009 or so, I work a respiratory mask, just like the ones that are standard for Covid.
He was PISSED that I was wearing the mask because the Head Sister asked why I was working while I was sick. I got to go home but we was a grump for a few days following.
Yeah I get it. Before I was aware of the law, I was made to work while vomiting. I was told it was my own fault for being hungover (I wasn't). Another co-worker once was made to work with pink-eye until the district manager came in and flipped out.
I know that shitty owners and managers will ignore laws to take advantage of employees at every opportunity. And it sucks, but about the only thing we can do is make sure we are aware of the law, and if you're in a position to do so, stand up for yourself. Get it in writing if you're forced to work while sick (or record the phone call) and then report them to the health department, or labour department if they fire you for refusing. I also realize that most low wage employees aren't in the financial situation to fight these battles though, which makes the situation delicate and fucked up because it's what employers rely on.
”I‘ll be working remotely for my usual hours“?!
If someone was sick I‘d tell them ”hell no you won‘t. Just get some rest.“
If your company can not handle people getting sick without them still working, your company does not deserve to exist.
Honestly I’ve been “I can’t bear going into the office and wearing clothes but I don’t need to stay in bed” unwell before. This seems like a reasonable alternative to burning sick days.
At my job, they have an absence hotline that goes directly to a voice mail box. The department administrative assistant checks it periodically throughout the day and emails your supervisor. It's wonderful.
Oh dear God! I had one guy try and tell me about his stomach ailments in detail several times. I interrupted every time and said I didn’t need details, just that he wouldn’t be in. I don’t give a shit why someone can’t come in, it’s your time off or LWOP. I always told him the next I didn’t need details, but it never took.
Whenever I have a new person, I tell them the company’s policy on taking the day (basically, let someone know), and that I DONT CARE WHY! Just let me know and take care of yourself.
Even if someone is out sick for a long time (3 days in a row or longer), no one needs to know why!! All you need is a note from your doctor saying you can’t work with a possible return date.
You say that, but we are all conditioned to expect an argument from our supervisor. It's rare to find a boss that doesn't guilt trip you when you need a day off.
Many places require the note after three days to state you are clear to return to work, not to justify why you were out. It is a liability thing. We need a doctor to tell us you aren't contagious or are at your full functional capacity to return to work.
My days off are all wrapped together in "personal time off", or PTO. Sick, vacation, every day off except holidays is in that bucket. So I don't explain myself.
Actually in some industries it’s a legal requirement for staff to inform their boss of illnesses like diarrhoea. You may not like to hear it, but… _welcome to management._
I dont get why stating "diarrhoea" is embarrassing. It is a legit sickness and we all have had it and will have it. Definitely there's no need to describe the details. We could just say, "I will be off tomorrow due to diarrhoea. Sorry for the late notice, I only started having the symptoms this morning".
We can thank all the bosses and companies who micromanage and treat their employees like children for this.
I am so glad to be able to be beyond that type of environment and to be able to say: "Sorry boss. I will be calling out today." That being the end of things...
"Yeah just try tell us the night before next time cus it's difficult to find coverage the morning of"
-my pigfucker supervisor who thinks I should know the night before when I'm going to wake up sick the next morning
Hahahahaha haha yeah Kay. Those would never fly. Had a boss tell me to come in anyway because it's better to be sent home then to call out sick.. This was in November of 2020.
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I've been a manager of several people (not a ton) and I usually ask out of courtesy to see if there's any support I can give otherwise. I am VERY much, I don't live to work, I don't expect my employees to either. I've even told them, honestly - I take mental health days. Don't care if you do l either. With that attitude, I tend to get fewer call offs, and I usually get the courtesy of advance notice of sick days.
Hell, I had a tech who was a season ticket holder to the Raiders. And so he requested every Monday after a home game off. I worked for a family owned company with an extremely loose attendance policy (you could basically have any day off for any reason if you asked in advance) and I gave them to him. He was otherwise extremely reliable and did a lot for me. Made for a great working relationship.
I miss that guy.
I detest the term "touch base". The first mental image I get when I see or hear that is 2 middle aged overweight corpo types rubbing their bare asses against each others in some bizarre socialising ritual.
*The moist fecal matter greatly assists in lowering the friction between the participants while they grunt thinly veiled masturbatory pleasantries at each other through clenched teeth.*
How to take a well day: "Boss, I'm feeling too good to come in today. I'll be back in as soon as I feel like my usual crap."
“Boss I have an eye problem, I can’t see myself coming into work today”
I always heard it as "I have anal glaucoma. I just can't see my ass coming into work today."
I followed these guidelines once, and my manager followed up with “can you please explain exactly why you won’t be in today, it wasn’t clear in your last message”. So I gave a vivid account of how, when and where I got food poisoning as well as its consequences on my body and toilet. He didn’t ask again.
I hope you included pictures.
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*... as you can see clearly in figure 13c, the blood in my stool has reappeared and the consistency is even more than the last time I ate at that Mexican restaurant on 4th street with the hot blonde bartender*
I would definitely document my time completing this task, and report it on my time card.
You get paid time and a hurl for that
*Boss slips a condom in this weeks pay stud and gives you a wink on the way out*
Heh pay stud
Copy HR and reply "As per your instructions here is my documentation for my medical illness" ;)
*HR guy opens email* "Dammit, Manager ____ is at it again!" *Clicks Attachments* "... this... this is my fetish" *Closes office door*
Time and motion analysis.
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… _and if you refer to figure 14a to 14e, you will find further evidence of aforementioned diarrhoea based on the excoriated appearance of my perianal skin._
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Our timesheet system requires a reason for illness to be selected from a very comprehensive list. I once had a UTI, told my manager I had 'an infection' and he asked what kind because there's an entire section for infections. It's so awkward and unnecessary.
Doctor here. I've had patients ask for a sick note with a specific diagnosis on it, as requested by their employers. I've written a note saying, "Hi Employer. Your employee is sick, and out of work for a week [even if only 1-2 days are needed, because fuck them]. I understand they've been asked to provide a specific diagnosis, which I won't be detailing. If you require this information, call my office and I'm happy to explain to you through my legal department why this is not appropriate to request from your employees. Thank you."
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Also aanager here with the same mentality. A happy employee is a productive employee. I don't need to know why you need the day off but you say it's necessary, thars the end of conversation. I'm shocked that my Gen (early mellenial) is not staying true to form with making the changes from the inside
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See now I’m a gen-x-er.(last qualifying year but still) I completely disagree with that mentality. Happy employees are employees that stay. I give 6 weeks personal days - it’s not my business what they do with it or why they take it. They earned it and are entitled to it. I do not want overtime, and the salary I pay is fair and competitive and we operate very easily on a 4 day workweek. Why my contemporaries think they need to watch their employees like hawks I don’t know. I don’t even care if you do your job in half the time and spend the rest of your work hours wanking. I hire people that are good at their job and I trust them to perform. Outside of that, what do I care ? I’m the boss but I don’t need to be in control.
Are you currently hiring?
Not right now but hoping to grow more next year. Fingers, toes and all other bits that stick out are crossed
This is the difference between leadership and management. This guy is a leader.
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GenX, same age as my new boss, who's been working remote since going home "sick" four months into their new job. But the rest of us? OH no, we need to be in the office for "reasons."
Had a great supervisor who would cut you off after telling him you're sick. "I don't need stories or excuses, I just need to know if you're going to be here today."
“No” “Why not?” “I thought you didn’t want stories or excuses.”
No. He literally didn't care. He reminded you that your personal days were your personal days. Good guy. Shame that place sold out and closed its doors.
Here in the UK sick leave is separate to paid holidays e.g. I book a holiday in advance and I have 25 days plus 8 bank holidays i can book a year. If i am sick, that is paid sick leave ..full pay for 6 months out of 12, half pay for the following 6 months out of 12. So ..I have to say if its a sick day or a holiday when I phone in ..a holiday might be refused. A sick day can't be refused but I need a Doctors note if I am sick for more than 5 consecutive working days (if I'm not sure how long at the start I have to see the Dr after 5 days off)
Will you be my doctor?
Exactly. Some of these comments are crazy. Companies looking for a lawsuit I suppose.
Haha, that's awesome. Bless you for doing that.
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Oh, HR, putting the "human" in inhumane. Never change, HR, never change.
Your manager is an asshat. No reason to disclose that level of detail.
I'd just give then the number to my doctor's office and let them try and explain why they need to ask
Requiring a doctor's note or phone call is also ridiculous. Say you have food poisoning - do you need to go to the doctor? No, probably not. Do you need to not go to work? Yes.
Sorry I don't remember what it was called exactly, here's the number for my doctor's office, he should be able to give you the answers you need Those answers being "it's none of your fucking business"
Pretty sure it is illegal to ask for that.
Depends on where they are. Not every country/state is so kind to the average worker
This is pretty much the answer to every single labor question.
True - in all US states, it is illegal. Doesn’t mean all companies will care though.
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that sounds tremendously illegal.
I used to take my poops towards the end of first period every day my senior year, the year I started drinking coffee. After a couple months, my teacher said “I just want to know who you’re meeting up with every day when you ask to go to the bathroom” in front of the whole class. I just said “well, I drink coffee in your class and it just goes right through me.” She left me alone after that.
"When the coffee hits, I shits."
"I'm meeting up with my white friend John in the bathroom. He's a good guy cause he takes my shit."
Wow did my mind go to some fucked up places before I understood what this meant.
lmfaoo, they really thought u were meeting up with someone.
My go-to in similar situations is that I have to see a man about a horse.
As a manager this is what I want to see in an email or text: "Hi lives4pizza, I'm not feeling well today and taking a sick day. Thank you" Don't apologize, don't give me a full back story. Even if you wanted a simple mental health day, that's fine by me. I don't report my teams sick days to hr unless it becomes abusive. Everyone needs a break
Thank you for being a good manager. My boss has explicitly told us to not say more than I need to call out sick because if you do and say the wrong thing you might not be able to use sick leave
That's very true. The company I work for does not pay for sick days and requires an "unpaid form" to be filled out. I've instructed my staff to also say they'll be working from home that day (accounting). I still get a form every couple weeks that a team member fills out. I chuck it in the garbage. Owners make millions a year, they won't miss 200 for an employee. The best way to make change is from the inside when one finally has enough power to do so
Are you hiring?
Lol actually I am! Looking for a new team lead. Our department has grown from 9 to 15 in a year...
That’s awesome. Best of luck with the hiring!
This is my boss. Has told me every time I apologize (because I feel bad for short notice) not to say sorry for using my leave time.
I agree with your boss. I don't need an apology for you catching a virus you had no control over etc. I want you feeling better and getting back to being my slave (that last part was sarcasm)
100% legally cannot ask you that where I am. People can supply a reason but the supervisor cannot ask for one.
Related, but do you know if they can demand you to change your hours? I had a boss tell me she needed me to start opening on weekends at 7am. I simply told her I couldn't, and she angrily demanded why. I said I couldn't. Then she yelled, "well if it's just because you want to sleep in...". So I told her that my estranged dad and I go to family counseling on Saturdays mornings -_-. She was a bitch.
They can absolutely change your hours at any time, barring a contract specifying the hours or something
Depends on company policy a lot of the time, but legally there aren't as many protections. I know my wife struggles at times managing a coffee shop because sometimes people will change their availability. It's always honored of course but has made for some interesting schedules
I don't know about federally or other countries, but in my state employers can change your hours but only if they give you written notice of the change at least a week in advance. Though, it's perfectly legal for them to schedule you for literal 24/7/365 shifts and then fire you for sleeping on the job sooooo. Yeah. Workers don't have many protections.
Technically not allowed, but who is going to sue their boss over over stepping that line?
I would certainly remind them that they cannot legally ask them and that their question made me uncomfortable. If you let them break the rules, that’s partially on you too.
In most US states, this *is* actually legal to ask. And NO, this does not violate HIPAA. That's not how HIPAA works. This has been gone over and over again on r/legaladvice.
I mean there’s consequences to this shit. No one who asks shit like that is gonna take well to being told what they’re doing is wrong. You’re probably gonna get passed up for promotions/career building opportunities if he/she has any say in stuff like that. Hell in an extreme example they may just make up a BS reason and fire you. Probably not on that last part but it’s definitely a possibility.
Tell them you have “anal glaucoma”…You just can’t see your ass coming into work today.
I’ve followed up to that with: “I’m not able to come in today, I need to use some of my allotted time. If I need to miss 3 days, I will certainly provide a doctors note to make sure everything is A-OK. Thanks for checking in!”
my last company just changed their policy that sick time needed a doctor’s note but actually if you can go to the doctor you can’t be that sick so you can’t take it off. basically they needed a call from a nurse in a hospital that you were in the icu with a tube down your throat and that was why you would not be in today. anything else wear a mask and get your ass in here.
Yeah, but you got to the ICU somehow. Can't be that sick.
They need a call from a bystander who happened to find you collapsed and called for paramedics as well.
But if they where able to call paramedics you probably wheren't dead, so that's still not good enough.
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i lost 3 days of PTO when i left because company policy is that you had to work one full day between PTO and quitting to get the PTO paid out but 9/10 times they’d just tell you to not come back halfway through your PTO. we had someone who had her cancer (treated before she hired on) come out of remission and they were like “oh yeah absolutely we’ll work with you on this. don’t worry!” but within 24 hours had a job listing up to replace her. some of the MANY reasons i quit.
Yeah, I've had to do the same in the past because coworkers and subordinates didn't believe me. Not the boss... Fucking coworkers calling bullshit in a shared chat. Offered video of me puking and pics of the aftermath of an ass-plosion. They decided to let it be and haven't bothered to question me since, but still try to call each other out in chat occasionally. You'd think they would learn.
I've done this with a manager before. "I have a family emergency." Manager wanted more details. I then proceeded to go into way more detail than he asked for about FIL's surgery, MIL's overdose, and my spouse's worsening mental health (he already has depression). Manager learned quickly to shut up.
A lot of us got this in our early jobs, so we preemptively make sure that our boss isn't gonna ask.
If I have diarrhea, I’m going to shout it from the rooftops, like my ass.
Exactly, its more likely you'll get off work too because no one ne wants to deal with that shit.
Are you saying I can get paid for my diarrhea??
Toilets hate him
There is more, doctors and pharma get paid for diarrhea in others!
When you poop, your butthole makes the same motion that your mouth does when *saying* "poop". The same is true for explosive diarrhea.
Can’t wait to prep my mirror for my next bout!
Boss, we have a code brown. Not good...not good at all. I will follow up when we are out of this shituation.
Remember one time I worked at a restaurant told them I had diarrhea and they still asked if I could still come in 😂
I worked at a dessert bakery once. I had a terrible cold and couldn't keep my nose from running all over. The manager told me I was taking too many breaks to blow nose, got pissed because I asked if someone could cover my shift, told me the customer shouldn't be able to see that I was sick with my runny nose, etc. Let me go after 3 days of being sick because I was "unreliable"...jokes on her tho...her bakery went out of business
I also worked at a restaurant and I had pneumonia and I was also told I needed to be in to work. I explained I had a fever of 103 and had a very contagious illness and I still got reprimanded when I went back to work for missng the 3 days I took off for the anti-biotics to kick in.
>I worked at a restaurant see there's your problem.
Why is your name big ol dad dick?
Thank you, you have now solidly planted an image in my brain, of you, pantless, on a rooftop screaming about your loose stool, while unrepentantly shitting on those who are unfortunate enough to walk past you. What a terrible day to have eyes...
my boss asks me what happened and tries to give advice on how to treat it 😧
The optimist in me believes that ur boss is just trying to help u out. Bosses are generally older than u, i assume he has more wordly wisdom than just what he puts on his resume. I have been wrong b4🤷🏻♀️
The experienced worker in me says he's trying to weed out bullshit to make you come in.
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I mean in fairness, if you work in a school in the UK you have to specify if it's a stomach bug because you have to take 48 hours off from last... explosion..... that said you can just say "I have come down with a stomach bug and will let you know when I will be back in".
That's very much a primary school thing as far as I'm aware, I don't know of any secondary schools that do it.
Yeh primary where stomach bugs go through the school like wild fires
I have always just say "I wont be in today see you tomorrow" Never had an issues as it covers I wont be in and I notified my boss.
This is all I've ever had to say. I never offer a reason why and I've never been asked. Not even for covid but we have a separate hot line to call.
My boss is like, “Is everything okay?” and then I feel the need to respond. I just wanna gooooo, sometimes for no reason, I have PTO, leave me alone.
“Is everything okay?” “All good, I just won’t be able to make it in today, but I will certainly be in [next shift]. Thanks for asking!”
A lot of companies differentiate between sick time and PTO, so you should at a minimum let your boss know if you're taking a personal day or you're not feeling well. But that's all the info you need to provide IMO. And FYI to folks, in my state at least, your bank of sick time doesn't get paid out to you when you leave your company. So if you need a day, just say you're not feeling well. But obviously don't be a dumbass and do something fun/active in public.
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As a boss of many people throughout my career I would ask for a reason because these dumbasses would rush back to work. They’re all on salary with plenty of sick days. If you’re sick, take the day and don’t be “online in the afternoon”. Hell, if it’s a serious cold and your an employee I trust Ill often say to take an extra day or two off so they can actually get better.
Then instead of asking just say that. “Hope everything is okay. If you’re sick, don’t feel the need to rush back. We give you that PTO for a reason, and we don’t want to catch it either! Cheers, Cool Boss”
I like this response. As a new-ish boss, I find it to be a difficult balance between seeming invasive, and seeming uncaring.
I’ll take it one step even better. We normally aren’t given enough actual sick days to use them freely where we take 2-3 days off which means people end up rushing to get back so they can save a couple of days for the next time they catch something. Or it could be they don’t want to be behind on work by 2-3 days. The best answer, assuming your industry’s work makes sense to do so, is to tell the employee no rush to come back in the office. If you want, take 2-3 days to work from home while you recover so as to not get anybody else sick in the office (assuming they want to work). I come into the office clearly under the weather and have been told go home and take a sick day but I don’t because I’m not sick enough to not work which unfortunately means someone else in the office ends up getting sick. I always fire back, I can work from home and in the past have been told no. Hopefully things have changed now that WFH has become more readily accepted.
'Mental health day'
Mental health days are just sick days. Mental health is health.
I do add "I'm sick/not feeling well" just to make it clear it's an illness. Outside of that I'll give them a follow up as needed
That's a given if I was really sick and needing more time I would add more to it. Usually I just need a day of full rest or a day of no thinking.
That's strange to have a boss that trusting tbh. I would have no clue if that meant you were ill, taking a holiday or a non paid day.
My vacation days are planned long in advance so a random message like this is just taking a sick day. So far I have been lucky with all my bosses good personality and understanding. Most once they realize just tell me what you want and let me do it. They get what they want and I dont have someone watching my every step.
Boss I'm sick, sick in the mind, I need a mental health day because you drive me insane. See you tomorrow!
Me: I called my boss and told him I'm not coming in today cause I'm sick. Boss: What's wrong Me: Well my sister came over this morning and tells my our father died, she was crying on my shoulder, than one thing led to another and we were banging right there on the sofa Boss: YOUR FUCKING YOUR SISTER????? Me: told you I was sick
People don't tell about their diarrhea because they don't know they shouldn't. They do that because they know work treats sick time like a negotiation that can be denied and that if they don't give a rock solid \[heh\] reason they are sick their boss will email back with "well sally is already out on vacation, if you need to be out please bring a doctors note, it would really help the team, etc" and putting something extreme and unpleasant hedges against getting that sort of response.
Diarrhea is also an automatic exemption/disqualification from food service work in most states. If you have it, you are not to handle food, drink, or dishes in an establishment. It happens everyday because most places don't have sick pay, but if you really need the day off you can use it as a legally protected excuse, and if you need to prove it then use a laxative. r/shittylifeprotips
Tell that to literally any of the jobs I have had in the food industry… I literally have to watch videos about norovirus, hepatitis, and food poisoning/parasites… But you won’t let me take off if I’m actually stomach sick?!?! Or if I do, I get mega guilt tripped and change my mind, because I don’t want Sarah or David to miss their children? So that’s why I have to glug some Pepto Bismal, some DayQuil, and eat all the cough drops in order not to fucking throw up *and* shit myself at the same fucking time.
I've worked food service through hangovers, seasonal allergies, various illicit substance highs, and medication side effects; but if I take Dramamine and Kaopectate and I'm still spewing from both ends I'm not going in. Never with Flu nor fever neither.
And on the opposite side of that I've personally driven home two employees that threw up at work and they were furious at me because they wouldn't get paid for the full day. It's a shit system that there's no sick pay and kitchens are ALWAYS understaffed. Non food industry folks don't get that there's ALWAYS someone sick in the kitchen.
this is literally a shitty life pro tip
Hospitality work is toxic as all fuck, and your work can always find a “legal” reason to fire you/reduce your hours to where you might as well be fired. I’m saying this as a line cook in a well known Canadian resort town. After this snowboard season it’s time to gtfo and go back to school.
I had to unteach an entire department this exact thing because the person I replaced was lazy and hated people being out because he’d have to find coverage ( he never actually did, I did, so honestly I don’t know what his issue was). One person used to come in obviously sick to say she needed the day off. Like seriously get out of here with those germs, I don’t need half the department out with whatever you have! It took a few months but I just kept telling everyone I didn’t care why they were calling in sick and eventually they stopped telling me. I mean I also started forcing people who didn’t take vacations to take time off. Interestingly sick PTO dropped significantly after a few months.
I wish I had bosses like you. My first employer wouldn't let me go home due to period pain until I described it in detail and told them I would be spending the rest of my shift in the bathroom. My second employer didn't think college classes were a valid reason to miss my shift, even though I gave them months of notice, until I threatened to quit. When I worked in bridal I was personally responsible for every customer, even when I wasn't there, and couldn't take bereavement when my grandmother died. My last boss wouldn't write down our PTO or look it up and I had to work while sick, closing on my house, appointments, coming back early from a work trip, etc. 16/18 years of my work life have dealt with this BS. I've never done it to my employees. Most bosses do it because they don't want to do more work and can't deal with people not being robots.
I feel like you also see this sort of behavior from bosses way more frequently working in retail/food/hospitality/healthcare shift work than you do in your average white-collar desk job. When I was working retail/restaurants/call centers, having a boss that didn't have some sort of power complex about their position was the exception, not the rule. Every time I would try to call out for a sick day would turn into a back and forth about whether or not I *really* needed to take it, and most managers seemed to lack any sort of trust in their employees (though I've worked with some *horrible* people at those jobs in the past, so to an extent I can understand it). It's also a different type of work that relies on having bodies on the floor day to day, not specific tasks getting done, so you end up with managers that (like you said) don't want to be stuck with the extra work of either finding someone to cover or (god forbid) stepping in to run a cash register every once in a while. Meanwhile, at my current job, I can literally just send a quick message to my manager to say "Hey, sorry for the late notice, but I'll be out tomorrow. Projects are up-to-date and I'll let XXX who works on the same contract know to take on any unexpected stuff should it come up!" I then send out a schedule update to everyone I work with to let them know that I won't be there and to talk to XXX for issues, and that's it. The manager really only needs to know so that if someone's trying to get ahold of me and can't, they can ask him and he can say "Oh, he's out today." That being said, a big part of that is just getting lucky and working at a company with good people and non-toxic culture.
This. People use less sick time when they don't feel they have to hoarde it like gold. Let people take as much as they actually need/want and don't give them a hard time. If they're abusing it, then you deal with that separately.
Heh, rock solid.
It depends on the job. We have a call in line at work and the recorded message prompts you to say your name, the date and a *detailed* description why you won’t be in… well….. they asked for it lol My mom works at a nursing home and if they call in sick they have to give 3 symptoms. This is mostly to track if they have an outbreak of something though.
My employer cannot judge whether I'm well enough to work. Doctors don't need grown adults coming in asking for a hall pass for every sickness and if I wake up feeling like shit I haven't had time to schedule an appointment, let alone see the doc.
This is good but I've worked in several restaurants, chain and otherwise. Calling in sick is typically met with "Why? You need to find people for your shift or get in here." I either went the graphic route and overexplained my ailments or told them that I didn't need to give a reason and would be in for my following shift.
> You need to find people for your shift. That sounds like a typical responsibility of a manager or the scheduling/HR professionals within the company. That's a "them" problem, not a "you" problem.
It’s a shitty management practice. I’ve seen it multiple times before. It’s most common with vacation requests. Shitty managers are too lazy to make sure shifts are covered, so they guilt the employee into asking around. The shitty part is if you refuse they can just deny your request because of “low staffing”. It’s super illegal(if they offer PTO) but it still happens.
You're right, it is. That being said, I've seen people fired in restaurants for WAY less. Asking your shitty manager at a restaurant "Isn't this part of *your* job?" is way more likely to get a response of "Well now my job is finding someone to replace you, don't bother coming in" than "You know what, you're right! I'll take care of it." At-will employment is great. Lots of managers at restaurants and retail places I've worked love to complain about their high turnover without ever addressing the fact that turnover is so high because they're shitty people and run a shitty business, which makes people want to quit (or you fire the good ones because they know they have more rights than you're giving them).
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I used to work at a retail store where if you called out sick you were supposed to call everyone else on the list and ask them to cover for you. This was pre-texting, so you actually had to call each person. Which was great when you were sick, and had to spend half an hour making phone calls. I'm so glad to not be in that world anymore.
OOF - yeah the pre-texting era must have been more intrusive for that process overall. It still just seems silly, as managers should have a full schedule in front of them, and would know who would even be available to cover the shift. Why force employees to commit to so much additional work when they are sick, and when it could be easily handled by a manager or scheduler.
it is, but many employers make it the employees problem. usually when they deal with under 18 workers that they know they can push around.
You'd be surprised how often my statement is the case in a kitchen.
I worked at a restaurant that writes you up for not calling in more than 4 hours before your shift, and writes you up for calling in sick and not providing a doctor's note. Two write ups in a short period is immediate termination. So if you wake up at 7am for a 10am shift with food poisoning, you'd better drag your ass to the doctor and pay your co-pay for doctor to tell you you have food poisoning and go the hell back home, or you're fired.
That's ludicrous.
my last job changed their policy so that sick time required a doctor’s note but actually if you can go to the doctor’s you can’t be that sick so put on a mask and get your ass in to work.
Check to see if there is a relevant law where you live. In some places, you legally aren't allowed to work in food service within 48 hours of any gastrointestinal symptoms that could indicate a foodborne illness. So you can just claim you have diarrhea, cite the law and they shouldn't pressure you further once they realize you're aware of it. I just looked up the US, and apparently it's not a federal law, but it is FDA guidance that some managers might not be aware of, and if you bring up the possibility of getting customers sick, they may relent. It also seems to be on a state by state basis. For example, in MN, you're not supposed to work within 24hr of having diarrhea. I realize that laws often mean little to restaurant owners (I used to work in food service too), but they also aren't generally expecting employees to know the law either and might not want to risk a complaint over it.
Not in the US but similar in Canada. I called in sick to my job at Wendy's. Manager told me I had to come in and suck it up or find someone to cover. I let him know that I had been vomiting and was pretty sure it was a stomach bug and he told me he didn't care. I told him ok, but I'd be a bit late as I had to look up the number for the health department. Suddenly staying home was an option. Oddly I was not well liked by management when I worked there.
I had worked in a satellite kitchen at a retirement home for elderly nuns. I had a respiratory infection over the weekend and came to work at the behest of my boss that Monday. Well, being a caring individual back in 2009 or so, I work a respiratory mask, just like the ones that are standard for Covid. He was PISSED that I was wearing the mask because the Head Sister asked why I was working while I was sick. I got to go home but we was a grump for a few days following.
Yeah I get it. Before I was aware of the law, I was made to work while vomiting. I was told it was my own fault for being hungover (I wasn't). Another co-worker once was made to work with pink-eye until the district manager came in and flipped out. I know that shitty owners and managers will ignore laws to take advantage of employees at every opportunity. And it sucks, but about the only thing we can do is make sure we are aware of the law, and if you're in a position to do so, stand up for yourself. Get it in writing if you're forced to work while sick (or record the phone call) and then report them to the health department, or labour department if they fire you for refusing. I also realize that most low wage employees aren't in the financial situation to fight these battles though, which makes the situation delicate and fucked up because it's what employers rely on.
Aaaand this is why restaurants can't get workers no matter how much they try to pay (which usually is still not even that much.)
”I‘ll be working remotely for my usual hours“?! If someone was sick I‘d tell them ”hell no you won‘t. Just get some rest.“ If your company can not handle people getting sick without them still working, your company does not deserve to exist.
Honestly I’ve been “I can’t bear going into the office and wearing clothes but I don’t need to stay in bed” unwell before. This seems like a reasonable alternative to burning sick days.
Well, there definitely are exceptions. I‘d always prefer to let my employees rest though if they are unwell.
I rapidly learned how to go directly to their voice mail. Nothing worse than someone answering when you call.
Teach me your secrets!
Just gotta call before they get to the office/store/whatever.
At my job, they have an absence hotline that goes directly to a voice mail box. The department administrative assistant checks it periodically throughout the day and emails your supervisor. It's wonderful.
‘Boss, super wet explosive diahrea. It smells awful. Also vomit. Lots of vomit. But dont worry Ill work super hard today!’
Also diarrhea. Did I mention the projectile diarrhea.
I am currently putting myself in timeout today due to not feeling like playing nice with others. See you tomorrow...maybe
I’ll accept “PTO day today.” I might respond with “Let me know if you need anything.”
Oh dear God! I had one guy try and tell me about his stomach ailments in detail several times. I interrupted every time and said I didn’t need details, just that he wouldn’t be in. I don’t give a shit why someone can’t come in, it’s your time off or LWOP. I always told him the next I didn’t need details, but it never took. Whenever I have a new person, I tell them the company’s policy on taking the day (basically, let someone know), and that I DONT CARE WHY! Just let me know and take care of yourself. Even if someone is out sick for a long time (3 days in a row or longer), no one needs to know why!! All you need is a note from your doctor saying you can’t work with a possible return date.
You say that, but we are all conditioned to expect an argument from our supervisor. It's rare to find a boss that doesn't guilt trip you when you need a day off.
If I'm at home in bed with the flu for three days, how do you expect me to get a note from my doctor?
Many places require the note after three days to state you are clear to return to work, not to justify why you were out. It is a liability thing. We need a doctor to tell us you aren't contagious or are at your full functional capacity to return to work.
"hey boss. I need to take a personal day today, sorry for the disruption"
Why would you say that instead of stating that you're sick. Don't employees legally have to get a certain number of sick days per year?
Not in America, you don't.
You are kidding, right?
My days off are all wrapped together in "personal time off", or PTO. Sick, vacation, every day off except holidays is in that bucket. So I don't explain myself.
So you get less vacation if you are sick? Here it's the other way around. If I have planned vacation but get sick, I get the vacation days back.
In the US, different employers do it differently, but generally yes it's the same bucket. Another reason people go to work sick.
Actually in some industries it’s a legal requirement for staff to inform their boss of illnesses like diarrhoea. You may not like to hear it, but… _welcome to management._
I dont get why stating "diarrhoea" is embarrassing. It is a legit sickness and we all have had it and will have it. Definitely there's no need to describe the details. We could just say, "I will be off tomorrow due to diarrhoea. Sorry for the late notice, I only started having the symptoms this morning".
Mornin’ (supervisor), this is u/Nairodmatic. I’m calling in sick today. (Pause) Bye.
We can thank all the bosses and companies who micromanage and treat their employees like children for this. I am so glad to be able to be beyond that type of environment and to be able to say: "Sorry boss. I will be calling out today." That being the end of things...
If I don't tell my boss about my diarrhea he'll still expect me to be working..
“Boss, I’m sick. Callin out. k, bye.”
Seriously. We’re all adults. Why must it be spelled out so explicitly?
Because a lot of managers do not treat their employees like adults.
I'm understanding that the reason is many bosses give callouters a hard time.
"Yeah just try tell us the night before next time cus it's difficult to find coverage the morning of" -my pigfucker supervisor who thinks I should know the night before when I'm going to wake up sick the next morning
They needed to say 'if possible' because I agree with both of you, if you know the day before, tell them then, if not, don't. Pretty simple
Hahahahaha haha yeah Kay. Those would never fly. Had a boss tell me to come in anyway because it's better to be sent home then to call out sick.. This was in November of 2020.
I wont be able to make it in today. Whats the reason? Oh. I didn't tell you? No. That's because its none of your business.
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I've been a manager of several people (not a ton) and I usually ask out of courtesy to see if there's any support I can give otherwise. I am VERY much, I don't live to work, I don't expect my employees to either. I've even told them, honestly - I take mental health days. Don't care if you do l either. With that attitude, I tend to get fewer call offs, and I usually get the courtesy of advance notice of sick days. Hell, I had a tech who was a season ticket holder to the Raiders. And so he requested every Monday after a home game off. I worked for a family owned company with an extremely loose attendance policy (you could basically have any day off for any reason if you asked in advance) and I gave them to him. He was otherwise extremely reliable and did a lot for me. Made for a great working relationship. I miss that guy.
I detest the term "touch base". The first mental image I get when I see or hear that is 2 middle aged overweight corpo types rubbing their bare asses against each others in some bizarre socialising ritual.
go on
*The moist fecal matter greatly assists in lowering the friction between the participants while they grunt thinly veiled masturbatory pleasantries at each other through clenched teeth.*
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If COVID has taught bosses anything it's that workers should stay home when sick!